You comment is funny for me. Just a bit ago I posted a comment about how every single person who brings up thermodynamics on Slashdot doesn't know what it means. And then here I find, possibly the first, comment about thermodynamics on Slashdot with a an actual clue.
Are you really suggesting that Coal plants are being run for the specific purpose of destroying the environment with electricity being a useful byproduct?!?!?
I have never met a single person that identified themselves as an environmentalist that actually was one. Every single person I have met that actually was an environmentalist would not self identify as one.
Not everybody shares the same values. The Mormons that settled Salt Lake didn't do it because they thought the location was cushy. They did it because they thought that there were more important things in life than having it easy. There are also plenty of people right here on Earth that believe humanity as we know it will not last even one more generation. If we are to take the Global Warming claims at face value, a the terrible conditions you describe on a generational ship would seem like the good life to the poor bastards that were left behind.
You are correct that "Any suggestion that that is an easy or clear-cut moral decision is foolish". It isn't clear cut as the right one, AND it isn't clear cut as the wrong one. A decision would require consideration of one's prediction of the Earth's future, as well as personal religious and moral views. Dismissing it as immoral out of hand is simply not the correct answer.
No one has asked Steve if his an alien from the planet Kanzis either. They have asked him if Apple is tracking their phones. Apple has also acknowledged the question has been asked, and in reply to it, they issued a FAQ for the purpose of clearing the air, and yet they still don't answer the question that they were directly asked. Surly, even an Apple fanboy must understand the difference.
A traffic database that says has locations you have never been near would be useless. Only a moron would try to use that kind of data for traffic related applications. That means that Apple is collecting data that is more accurate than what is stored on the phone, or Apple is run by morons. I suspect the former to be true. You seem to be under the impression that the data stored on your phone is the data that Apple is pulling from your phone. Based on the information stored there, and the fact that Apple claims they are collecting data from the phones for a traffic database, we can be sure that they are not the same data sets.
Yes, the fruit is usually a 4 digit code. I was under the impression that it was done at the store because it seems to be inconsistant between stores. It would be easy enough to do at the farm though. Cost would be the factor.
Obviously not, given how many people right hear on Slashdot claim that no data was ever sent. Where does Apple outright say that they don't collect data when the services are off? They very clearly avoid answering that.
Reread what I and APPLE wrote. They are creating a traffic database. This requires knowing where the phone is. You are focused on the file. The file isn't the problem. The file was just the evidence they left that got them caught in tracking users. The fact that you don't think they track your phone proves that they are intentionally being vaughe in their answers to try and trick people into thinking that they are not being tracked.
Again. The traffic database that Apple says they are creating REQUIRES knowing where the phones are.
Again. It is basically the same situation we have here on Earth. There is no reason to believe that their lives would not be BETTER than in many parts of the world today, yet we don't tell people that they are not allowed to emigrate. Other than the crowding, much of your complaints could just as easily be used to argue that it was immoral for the early Europeans in the Americas.
My understanding was that this was a new "bug"/"feature". That would mean that any phone capable of having it implemented would also take the fix to remove it. Of course the file wasn't the real problem. The real problem was that Apple was instructing your phone to secretly transmit your location data to Apple even when location services was off. We don't know how long that has been going on, and can assume that the actual problem has only been hidden better based on Apples FAQ http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/27location_qa.html [apple.com]:
8. What other location data is Apple collecting from the iPhone besides crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data?
Apple is now collecting anonymous traffic data to build a crowd-sourced traffic database with the goal of providing iPhone users an improved traffic service in the next couple of years.
To produce a traffic database, the location of the phones must be read and transmitted to Apple.
8. What other location data is Apple collecting from the iPhone besides crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data?
Apple is now collecting anonymous traffic data to build a crowd-sourced traffic database with the goal of providing iPhone users an improved traffic service in the next couple of years.
To produce a traffic database, the location of the phones must be read and transmitted to Apple. Claims that they only send location data and never pull it is clearly false.
8. What other location data is Apple collecting from the iPhone besides crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data?
Apple is now collecting anonymous traffic data to build a crowd-sourced traffic database with the goal of providing iPhone users an improved traffic service in the next couple of years.
To produce a traffic database, the location of the phones must be read and transmitted to Apple. Claims that they only send location data and never pull it is clearly false.
8. What other location data is Apple collecting from the iPhone besides crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data?
Apple is now collecting anonymous traffic data to build a crowd-sourced traffic database with the goal of providing iPhone users an improved traffic service in the next couple of years.
To produce a traffic database, the location of the phones must be read and transmitted to Apple. Claims that they only send location data and never pull it is clearly false. Of course, the database file on the phone was not the actual problem. It was sloppy to back it up, but it was more a tell tale sign Apples actual bad behavior. The bad behavior was in reading peoples location from their phone when they were told not to.
Google has allowed you to actually turn off tracking by Google. It is part of the setup procedure in every Android phone. They don't even stop you from using location services if you tell them not to collection our location data. If someone shows that Google reading that data when they have been told not to, I will agree that they have behaved badly.
At this point though Apple hasn't come out and said that they will stop secretly tracking iPhones. They have been specifically vauge about what they collect, but leave enough wiggle room so that they can claim they told you. As it stands, they claim that they are reading your location info. They worded it in a way that most people don't realize they are having their location info transmitted to Apple.
That is sketchy at best. The big question is, are they still reading location data when location services are turned off, or are they just hiding the fact that they are tracking you? Based on what they have said, and just as importantly, what they have not said, it sounds like they are still secretly tracking users.
You do realize that your description isn't that far off from many cultures that have lived right here on Earth don't you? Yes, you describe it a bit more crowded, but getting to choose your career or life partners? Heck, they is practically a brand new concept, and still isn't universally accepted here on Earth. Having to worry that the one or two people that posses important knowledge for your tribe? Welcome to Earth again.
You are criticizing the quality of life from the viewpoint of a person living in a nation of Kings. Your expectations for even basic living conditions would be the envy of past generations royalty.
I'm not saying that I want to give up my cushy lifestyle, but it is the original crew that would feel the pain of leaving our freedoms. Subsequent generations would just see your horrors as the perfectly acceptable natural order of things.
The numbers are increasing, but more directly, because they are not marketed that way. If I go into Costco, every single "PC" they sell can be plugged directly into every single "TV" they sell.
Your definition failed the most basic analysis. Your basically saying that a PC is what you decide is a PC and a console is what you decide is a console. Claims that the definition is deffernt based on the year of manufacture is silly. Custer's Revenge had nothing to do with cryptographic lockouts. Activition was the reason for lockouts. Atari thought they could use the law to keep others from making software for their system. When Activision successfully weathered the legal storm, console manufacturers realized they would have to use lockout chips to maintain their monopolies.
Besides, there are consoles that have been made much more recently that don't have the lockout. Think, Sega and Nintendo clones out of China. Your not going to claim that a system that takes Genesis cartridges and uses a gamepad while hooked to a TV isn't a console are you? Your not going to claim that the Wii 2 isn't a console if it only has HDMI are you?
To make a claim that the difference between a PC and a console is anything other than marketing, your going to have to come up with something that isn't so simply shown to be incorrect.
Nope. Not one. I don't want to buy games and worry if I will be able to play them in the future. That is part of what has kept me from getting a PS3 or 360.
Stranded in deep space... Kind of like we are now huh? Home is where you come from. Few Americans I know spit on effigies of the people that first emigrated here for "stranding them in a foreign land". I don't think I have ever heard of a human that complained because humanities first explorers left the birthplace of mankind, and stranded them on whatever continent they ended up on.
The problem of a generational ship wouldn't be that the inhabitants hated the original crew. The problem would be getting them to leave the ship when it got to the destination, as after a generation or two, the inhabitants wouldn't see the ship as a means to a destination, they would see it as home.
I might agree with you if "it can't be done" hasn't been proven wrong so many times before. With our current tech, sure, it is impossible. Lucky for us, there are still lots of science that we don't yet understand, so your prediction is premature.
We will get there. Self checkout has only successfully been implemented in the last couple of years. Attempts before that were total failures. With the current system, the only thing that the producer of products have to do is print on the box, which they have to do whether there is a bar code or not.
We are currently seeing store put stickers on the produce so that customers can use the self check out. I would expect that putting a rfid sticker on those first would be where we might see a pilot. They already have to tag them. Once that pans out, we will see either hand tagging of all product put on shelves, or some kind of incentive for the manufacturers to include radio. This will first be used as a security feature in place of the scale.
When that gets good, we can then expect the radio to be used instead of the bar code.
The SD isn't dumb. It was a smart choice for the time the Wii was designed. You can be sure that the Wii 2 will be HD. Everyone claiming that Nintendo was dumb for doing SD on the Wii just don't get it. HD tvs are only really mainstream in about the last year. Nintendo gave users what they would use when the system was built, and are now releasing an improved system when users can use that. By Christmas, Nintendo will have a system that is more powerful and looks better than Sony's or MS's. There will only be a small window of time that the majority of users will have had TVs that could produce a higher resolution picture than the Wii could produce.
In any system there are bottlenecks. When the current generation of consoles were released, the TV was the biggest bottleneck. Now that the graphics chip is the bottleneck, Nintendo will release a new console.
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You comment is funny for me. Just a bit ago I posted a comment about how every single person who brings up thermodynamics on Slashdot doesn't know what it means. And then here I find, possibly the first, comment about thermodynamics on Slashdot with a an actual clue.
Well done.
Are you really suggesting that Coal plants are being run for the specific purpose of destroying the environment with electricity being a useful byproduct?!?!?
Why is it that no one on Slashdot who points out the law of thermodynamics has any understanding of how it works?
I have never met a single person that identified themselves as an environmentalist that actually was one. Every single person I have met that actually was an environmentalist would not self identify as one.
Not everybody shares the same values. The Mormons that settled Salt Lake didn't do it because they thought the location was cushy. They did it because they thought that there were more important things in life than having it easy. There are also plenty of people right here on Earth that believe humanity as we know it will not last even one more generation. If we are to take the Global Warming claims at face value, a the terrible conditions you describe on a generational ship would seem like the good life to the poor bastards that were left behind.
You are correct that "Any suggestion that that is an easy or clear-cut moral decision is foolish". It isn't clear cut as the right one, AND it isn't clear cut as the wrong one. A decision would require consideration of one's prediction of the Earth's future, as well as personal religious and moral views. Dismissing it as immoral out of hand is simply not the correct answer.
No one has asked Steve if his an alien from the planet Kanzis either. They have asked him if Apple is tracking their phones. Apple has also acknowledged the question has been asked, and in reply to it, they issued a FAQ for the purpose of clearing the air, and yet they still don't answer the question that they were directly asked. Surly, even an Apple fanboy must understand the difference.
A traffic database that says has locations you have never been near would be useless. Only a moron would try to use that kind of data for traffic related applications. That means that Apple is collecting data that is more accurate than what is stored on the phone, or Apple is run by morons. I suspect the former to be true. You seem to be under the impression that the data stored on your phone is the data that Apple is pulling from your phone. Based on the information stored there, and the fact that Apple claims they are collecting data from the phones for a traffic database, we can be sure that they are not the same data sets.
Yes, the fruit is usually a 4 digit code. I was under the impression that it was done at the store because it seems to be inconsistant between stores. It would be easy enough to do at the farm though. Cost would be the factor.
No, the problem is that when you say "Don't use location services", Apple continues to use if anyways.
Obviously not, given how many people right hear on Slashdot claim that no data was ever sent. Where does Apple outright say that they don't collect data when the services are off? They very clearly avoid answering that.
Reread what I and APPLE wrote. They are creating a traffic database. This requires knowing where the phone is. You are focused on the file. The file isn't the problem. The file was just the evidence they left that got them caught in tracking users. The fact that you don't think they track your phone proves that they are intentionally being vaughe in their answers to try and trick people into thinking that they are not being tracked.
Again. The traffic database that Apple says they are creating REQUIRES knowing where the phones are.
Again. It is basically the same situation we have here on Earth. There is no reason to believe that their lives would not be BETTER than in many parts of the world today, yet we don't tell people that they are not allowed to emigrate. Other than the crowding, much of your complaints could just as easily be used to argue that it was immoral for the early Europeans in the Americas.
8. What other location data is Apple collecting from the iPhone besides crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data?
Apple is now collecting anonymous traffic data to build a crowd-sourced traffic database with the goal of providing iPhone users an improved traffic service in the next couple of years.
To produce a traffic database, the location of the phones must be read and transmitted to Apple.
From the Apple FAQ http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/27location_qa.html [apple.com]:
8. What other location data is Apple collecting from the iPhone besides crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data?
Apple is now collecting anonymous traffic data to build a crowd-sourced traffic database with the goal of providing iPhone users an improved traffic service in the next couple of years.
To produce a traffic database, the location of the phones must be read and transmitted to Apple. Claims that they only send location data and never pull it is clearly false.
From the Apple FAQ http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/27location_qa.html [apple.com]:
8. What other location data is Apple collecting from the iPhone besides crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data?
Apple is now collecting anonymous traffic data to build a crowd-sourced traffic database with the goal of providing iPhone users an improved traffic service in the next couple of years.
To produce a traffic database, the location of the phones must be read and transmitted to Apple. Claims that they only send location data and never pull it is clearly false.
From the Apple FAQ http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/27location_qa.html:
8. What other location data is Apple collecting from the iPhone besides crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data?
Apple is now collecting anonymous traffic data to build a crowd-sourced traffic database with the goal of providing iPhone users an improved traffic service in the next couple of years.
To produce a traffic database, the location of the phones must be read and transmitted to Apple. Claims that they only send location data and never pull it is clearly false. Of course, the database file on the phone was not the actual problem. It was sloppy to back it up, but it was more a tell tale sign Apples actual bad behavior. The bad behavior was in reading peoples location from their phone when they were told not to.
Google has allowed you to actually turn off tracking by Google. It is part of the setup procedure in every Android phone. They don't even stop you from using location services if you tell them not to collection our location data. If someone shows that Google reading that data when they have been told not to, I will agree that they have behaved badly.
At this point though Apple hasn't come out and said that they will stop secretly tracking iPhones. They have been specifically vauge about what they collect, but leave enough wiggle room so that they can claim they told you. As it stands, they claim that they are reading your location info. They worded it in a way that most people don't realize they are having their location info transmitted to Apple.
That is sketchy at best. The big question is, are they still reading location data when location services are turned off, or are they just hiding the fact that they are tracking you? Based on what they have said, and just as importantly, what they have not said, it sounds like they are still secretly tracking users.
You do realize that your description isn't that far off from many cultures that have lived right here on Earth don't you? Yes, you describe it a bit more crowded, but getting to choose your career or life partners? Heck, they is practically a brand new concept, and still isn't universally accepted here on Earth. Having to worry that the one or two people that posses important knowledge for your tribe? Welcome to Earth again.
You are criticizing the quality of life from the viewpoint of a person living in a nation of Kings. Your expectations for even basic living conditions would be the envy of past generations royalty.
I'm not saying that I want to give up my cushy lifestyle, but it is the original crew that would feel the pain of leaving our freedoms. Subsequent generations would just see your horrors as the perfectly acceptable natural order of things.
The numbers are increasing, but more directly, because they are not marketed that way. If I go into Costco, every single "PC" they sell can be plugged directly into every single "TV" they sell.
Your definition failed the most basic analysis. Your basically saying that a PC is what you decide is a PC and a console is what you decide is a console. Claims that the definition is deffernt based on the year of manufacture is silly. Custer's Revenge had nothing to do with cryptographic lockouts. Activition was the reason for lockouts. Atari thought they could use the law to keep others from making software for their system. When Activision successfully weathered the legal storm, console manufacturers realized they would have to use lockout chips to maintain their monopolies.
Besides, there are consoles that have been made much more recently that don't have the lockout. Think, Sega and Nintendo clones out of China. Your not going to claim that a system that takes Genesis cartridges and uses a gamepad while hooked to a TV isn't a console are you? Your not going to claim that the Wii 2 isn't a console if it only has HDMI are you?
To make a claim that the difference between a PC and a console is anything other than marketing, your going to have to come up with something that isn't so simply shown to be incorrect.
Nope. Not one. I don't want to buy games and worry if I will be able to play them in the future. That is part of what has kept me from getting a PS3 or 360.
Even better, get it down to 1 dimension.
No kidding, if they could make them in only 2 dimensions, now THAT would be impressive!
Stranded in deep space... Kind of like we are now huh? Home is where you come from. Few Americans I know spit on effigies of the people that first emigrated here for "stranding them in a foreign land". I don't think I have ever heard of a human that complained because humanities first explorers left the birthplace of mankind, and stranded them on whatever continent they ended up on.
The problem of a generational ship wouldn't be that the inhabitants hated the original crew. The problem would be getting them to leave the ship when it got to the destination, as after a generation or two, the inhabitants wouldn't see the ship as a means to a destination, they would see it as home.
I might agree with you if "it can't be done" hasn't been proven wrong so many times before. With our current tech, sure, it is impossible. Lucky for us, there are still lots of science that we don't yet understand, so your prediction is premature.
We will get there. Self checkout has only successfully been implemented in the last couple of years. Attempts before that were total failures. With the current system, the only thing that the producer of products have to do is print on the box, which they have to do whether there is a bar code or not.
We are currently seeing store put stickers on the produce so that customers can use the self check out. I would expect that putting a rfid sticker on those first would be where we might see a pilot. They already have to tag them. Once that pans out, we will see either hand tagging of all product put on shelves, or some kind of incentive for the manufacturers to include radio. This will first be used as a security feature in place of the scale.
When that gets good, we can then expect the radio to be used instead of the bar code.
The SD isn't dumb. It was a smart choice for the time the Wii was designed. You can be sure that the Wii 2 will be HD. Everyone claiming that Nintendo was dumb for doing SD on the Wii just don't get it. HD tvs are only really mainstream in about the last year. Nintendo gave users what they would use when the system was built, and are now releasing an improved system when users can use that. By Christmas, Nintendo will have a system that is more powerful and looks better than Sony's or MS's. There will only be a small window of time that the majority of users will have had TVs that could produce a higher resolution picture than the Wii could produce.
In any system there are bottlenecks. When the current generation of consoles were released, the TV was the biggest bottleneck. Now that the graphics chip is the bottleneck, Nintendo will release a new console.