Ok, at least you know what you're talking about and most of it makes sense:-).
Anyway, I made my original remark because I'm still don't get what all the fuzz is about with iPhone's and Pad's when some very basic functionality that is essential to the way I work my rounds every day, is missing from the core package. (Those being freely configurable homescreens (5 of them) and scrolling widgets with agenda, contacts, stockdata and newsflashes on the homescreens. I only open an app when I see something is happening down there.)
Bloatware IS a problem, that comes with the territory I guess. Android is not 'owned' by anybody and that is the price. but nothing a decent autokill app can't handle.
You're right, desktop is not the best term for this. But the multiple widget-windows on the multiple homescreens have the same effect as windows on a desktop, so in some ways it is similar. But Homescreen(s) is better.
Background processes are not always doing 'nothing'. Eg. when fetching messages from IMAP or POP takes long, I can in the meantime read some news in the browser. Mailfetching continues while I browse. Downloading a few apps from the market while changing dates in my calendar. List goes on, I never think about it.
Btw. holding the homebutton will give you a list of recent apps, so going 'back' isn't that hard. I guess a 'bar' or widget with running user-UI processes would be even nicer but that will be for next Android. I still don't see why it's easier or better to stop a process and restart it where it left. Seems also much harder to implement, since the core of iOS is multitasking by origin.
Jailbreaking Android is just for fun, because you want extra functionality that is not yet available, or because you want functionality that cannot be built into the OS because of eg. privacy rules. It is not necessary to jailbreak an Android to gain basic functionalilty. But if you want to it is allowed, after all it is your phone. Jailbreaking iOS is illegal (it is not allowed according to the EULA) and will be thwarted by the first upcoming update. It is not your phone and you signed away all rights to do with it what you want.
Erm,... Mine has. I see no difference between the functionality as a desktop on my Android or a PC. I can even install 4 or 5 different desktops.
"The Stocks one is always scrolling and you can touch it to stop the scrolling and speed it up or scroll backwards."
That's not a generic windowscroll, that's just a build-in feature of the app. Btw, I doubt that ticker is satisfying for anyone intersted in the stockmarket. Better choose one of the 30 market ones.
"Unlike Android, you dont have to ever leave the app (or move it to the background) to see them either, since they are part of the drop down notification screen."
In Android you use the 'home' button and go to your desktop (with widgets). You never have to close an app if you don't want to. Unlike on iOS that still has no true multitasking.
It's all just too controlled to my taste, no generic solutions, only those that fit the mindset of the high priests at Apple HQ. If you have to depend on jailbreakers to get what you want then why not take the easy route. Jailbreaking isn't illegal on Android. On Apple it is.
That is not a widget. A widget is a subwindow placed on the desktop in any size between 1*1 and maxcol*maxrow that has it's own UI structure, including scrollbars if need be. iOS7 maybe? In 3 years? Think where Android will be by then...
Mr. Balmer still thinks in terms of scaring undecided buyers into buying his stuff. Maybe he planned his speach a year ago but he seems to forget that millions already own an Android and 10's of millions have seen one in their neighboorhood. These people now all know that he is a lying turd.
I think Mr. Balmer is a bad salesman; a good one never tells obvious untruths.
That's why the Wikileaks cables were so important; they showed us that the US embassies around the world spend 75% of their energy in brokering for US big corp, instead of representing the people that pay their salaries.
You would also have to install several daemons to disable in Android eg. true multitasking, disallow widgets on the desktop and gridlock the icons in a 4x4 square. I mean the difference is hardly in the hardware, same (Samsung) components and all built in the some far-east factory. The OS however....
WTF 700MB?? What the hell is in that software an what is it doing? Can anyone xplain why a download of iTunes is 50 times bigger (!) than a mere browser that could basically do the same thing?
Jury still out on the meaning of MTBF (1.200200 hours is longer than since HD's were invenetd).
Recent sampling research showed something of at least 1% failure per year. That would mean 2000 disks per year of around 10 per working day. One disk to change every 3/4 of an hour. On average! Since there sometimes is a 'cause' for failure, that 'cause' can easily make them happen at the same time.
I try to think of HP as in the context of 'software business' but my mind stays blank. Am I missing something? I mean, quitting PC hardware for something I can't remember?
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They can claim ownership of the goods, like in any default.
Ok, at least you know what you're talking about and most of it makes sense :-).
Anyway, I made my original remark because I'm still don't get what all the fuzz is about with iPhone's and Pad's when some very basic functionality that is essential to the way I work my rounds every day, is missing from the core package. (Those being freely configurable homescreens (5 of them) and scrolling widgets with agenda, contacts, stockdata and newsflashes on the homescreens. I only open an app when I see something is happening down there.)
Bloatware IS a problem, that comes with the territory I guess. Android is not 'owned' by anybody and that is the price. but nothing a decent autokill app can't handle.
You're right, desktop is not the best term for this. But the multiple widget-windows on the multiple homescreens have the same effect as windows on a desktop, so in some ways it is similar. But Homescreen(s) is better.
Background processes are not always doing 'nothing'. Eg. when fetching messages from IMAP or POP takes long, I can in the meantime read some news in the browser. Mailfetching continues while I browse. Downloading a few apps from the market while changing dates in my calendar. List goes on, I never think about it.
Btw. holding the homebutton will give you a list of recent apps, so going 'back' isn't that hard. I guess a 'bar' or widget with running user-UI processes would be even nicer but that will be for next Android.
I still don't see why it's easier or better to stop a process and restart it where it left. Seems also much harder to implement, since the core of iOS is multitasking by origin.
Jailbreaking Android is just for fun, because you want extra functionality that is not yet available, or because you want functionality that cannot be built into the OS because of eg. privacy rules. It is not necessary to jailbreak an Android to gain basic functionalilty. But if you want to it is allowed, after all it is your phone.
Jailbreaking iOS is illegal (it is not allowed according to the EULA) and will be thwarted by the first upcoming update. It is not your phone and you signed away all rights to do with it what you want.
"Given that phones have no desktops"
Erm,... Mine has. I see no difference between the functionality as a desktop on my Android or a PC. I can even install 4 or 5 different desktops.
"The Stocks one is always scrolling and you can touch it to stop the scrolling and speed it up or scroll backwards."
That's not a generic windowscroll, that's just a build-in feature of the app. Btw, I doubt that ticker is satisfying for anyone intersted in the stockmarket. Better choose one of the 30 market ones.
"Unlike Android, you dont have to ever leave the app (or move it to the background) to see them either, since they are part of the drop down notification screen."
In Android you use the 'home' button and go to your desktop (with widgets). You never have to close an app if you don't want to. Unlike on iOS that still has no true multitasking.
It's all just too controlled to my taste, no generic solutions, only those that fit the mindset of the high priests at Apple HQ. If you have to depend on jailbreakers to get what you want then why not take the easy route. Jailbreaking isn't illegal on Android. On Apple it is.
LOL. So true. Someone should start and sue them. The Beatles vs. Jobs...
That is not a widget. A widget is a subwindow placed on the desktop in any size between 1*1 and maxcol*maxrow that has it's own UI structure, including scrollbars if need be. iOS7 maybe? In 3 years? Think where Android will be by then...
and 'Apple' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer This Steve sounds even more ridiculous than the Balmer one, he only hid it better for the public. Dangerous man.
Mr. Balmer still thinks in terms of scaring undecided buyers into buying his stuff. Maybe he planned his speach a year ago but he seems to forget that millions already own an Android and 10's of millions have seen one in their neighboorhood. These people now all know that he is a lying turd. I think Mr. Balmer is a bad salesman; a good one never tells obvious untruths.
Should have outsourced that to a Google cloud, they do that number every day for a year now no problem.
That's why the Wikileaks cables were so important; they showed us that the US embassies around the world spend 75% of their energy in brokering for US big corp, instead of representing the people that pay their salaries.
Ok, again, someone please explain what is in those 774MB? I thought Android was big, with Cyanogen measuring about 80MB.
You would also have to install several daemons to disable in Android eg. true multitasking, disallow widgets on the desktop and gridlock the icons in a 4x4 square. I mean the difference is hardly in the hardware, same (Samsung) components and all built in the some far-east factory. The OS however....
WTF 700MB?? What the hell is in that software an what is it doing? Can anyone xplain why a download of iTunes is 50 times bigger (!) than a mere browser that could basically do the same thing?
It's different this time. If it was FOSS there would be a fork right now.
if anything it will create a new generation of even better hackers.
My first thoughts as well: Treason!
You could add a http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/products/trackir5/ , quite easy to set up and it works, been using one (or older cousins) for ages.
Jury still out on the meaning of MTBF (1.200200 hours is longer than since HD's were invenetd). Recent sampling research showed something of at least 1% failure per year. That would mean 2000 disks per year of around 10 per working day. One disk to change every 3/4 of an hour. On average! Since there sometimes is a 'cause' for failure, that 'cause' can easily make them happen at the same time.
I try to think of HP as in the context of 'software business' but my mind stays blank. Am I missing something? I mean, quitting PC hardware for something I can't remember?