Careful, your ignorance is showing. Do you honestly believe there are no ways to block junk mail before it is delivered? Here's a helpful exercise: every time you find something you don't know, throw it into Google and skim the first five links or so. Here's what my 10 seconds of casual effort dug up:
This will block 90%+ of junk mail, and I actually signed up months ago. The only junk mail I get is a local free newspaper that just gets stuffed into every box regardless. http://www.dmaconsumers.org/consumerassistance.php
This thing is pure gold. It will block ALL of those "pre-approved" credit card offers. You know the ones, they come with a 29.99% APR, a $650 limit, and yearly fees? Well, at least the ones my wife gets do. I signed up on this thing and I haven't had a single one since. https://www.optoutprescreen.com/
Warcraft: $15 / month, 6 hours a day. It's a social event with friends...ever tried to raid with people you hate? No. You can hold down a job and even eat well. If you're careful, you can even keep a family.
Crack: $25 / hit lasting 10-15 minutes, and then you want another. Try holding a job when the urinalysis shows you a drug addict. Try caring about buying food when your entire body is twanging for the next hit. Try keeping a family when you steal and pawn your wife's wedding ring just for another dose. Do you have any friends? Do you know the expression "crack whore"?
Unless you turn tricks for $15 to pay for your Warcraft "addiction", you're not addicted. World of Warcraft is not just like Crack, and anybody who seriously claims it is should go and volunteer in a real rehab center for a full day. You don't have an addiction, you have a hobby. Learn some god-damned perspective, you molly-coddled children.
Here's a funny thing: Your assumption is that the average windows user can handle replacing a video card. I provide (for pay or barter) support to all of my neighbors, friends, co-workers, etc. for their Windows PCs. About 3/4 of the work I do is clearing viruses and malware. The remainder is installing software, replacing defective hardware, and making their new Wal-Mart special digital camera work the way they want, or explaining why Word can't open that PDF. I charge a high enough price that if they could do these things themselves, they would.
What would be the difference if they all ran Linux? I'd have only 1/4 of the work to do. It would be for the exact same issues. I just wouldn't have to fix viruses.
chances are I have been using Linux since before you were out of diapers. Not the OP, but on August 25th, 1991, I was lurking on comp.os.minix. I was, I'll have you know, completely potty-trained by then, at the tender age of 17.
My entire family runs Linux. We've never put pictures and data into any sort of source-control. In fact that seems almost incredibly excessive. We just back up regularly. Pretty hard for a virus to do something damaging when a bare-metal reinstall and restore of personal data takes 10 minutes.
This is a straw-man argument, but I'll respond anyways. From time to time, the US has fought wars, some of them good, some of them bad. In all cases, we kept secrets about the wars. Would you prefer the North Koreans to know every weakness of our missile defense? Would you prefer that the U.S.S.R. had known exactly what our defensive arsenal was during the Cuban nuclear crisis? Would you prefer that Muslim extremists know our exact travel routes and troop densities in Iraq?
If your answer to any of those questions is "yes", you are directly stating your wish for American citizens to die.
First off, receptionists don't get paid $75,000/year.
Did you read what I wrote? Or are you being deliberately obtuse? I specifically and intentionally wrote "compensation". In a government job, the total compensation for an entry-level receptionist will cost roughly $75k yearly. My source claims $106k total yearly compensation for the average government employee.
Third, a receptionist is the only reliable facial-recognition system on the market today.
Not true. A person is the most reliable facial-recognition system. However that person has to already know whoever it is gaining entry to the facility. The facilities that I am most concerned with protecting are places like the NSA, where you might have more than two thousand employees in a single building. It is manifestly impossible for a secretary to have every person's face committed to memory. As for a missile silo? By all means. Have the 12 soldiers that guard that location tracked. I'm sure you'll find that they play a lot of cards and smoke a lot of cigarettes. I never said a word about single-factor or two-factor or infinity-factor authentication. My entire post was specifically and only directed at the insane demand to have minute-by-minute rfid tracking of every government employee.
Fourth, the receptionists do not have to be cleared to access the same quality of information as everyone else.
Bullshit, bullshit, BULLSHIT. If you are controlling access to a facility containing sensitive information or equipment, you must be cleared to a level that can access that information. Why? Because the clearance is an assurance for the government that you will not intentionally release that information to a foe. If you don't clear your secretaries, and they control access to the information, what's to prevent Mr.Spy from being hired as a secretary and then letting his friend into the building?
Finally, the facility should already have IT support. Additionally, two computers is not a huge expense, and a software architect should be a one-time expense (assuming he does his job correctly).
I mentioned something about "Some of these infrastructure costs can be absorbed". That obviously implies that the infrastructure costs are not a huge expense, merely an additional expense that must be dealt with.
You're really grasping for straws to support this somewhat maniacal demand to have minute-by-minute tracking of when government employees go to the bathroom. Why?
I'm sorry, am I no longer on SLASHDOT, the BASTION of GEEKS? What you mean as an insult, you anonymous sniveling worm, I proudly wear as a BADGE OF HONOR!
Current situation: Everybody has some kind of badge with a mag-stripe for access. These must be issued and collected when people are hired or leave the unit.
First proposal: everybody has some kind of badge with an rfid for access. These must be issued and collected when people are hired or leave the unit, as well as being sniffable by $20 of Radio Shack junk.
Your proposal: everybody has some kind of badge with a mag-stripe for access. These must be issued and collected when people are hired or leave the unit. Once the employee arrives in the building, he/she must sign out some kind of tracking badge from a receptionist. These must also be issued and collected when people are hired or leave the unit, but they're maintained in a central location (theoretically). You have to pay the salary for somewhere around 6-8 receptionists, to ensure there's always somebody there to pass out and take in badges. (Remember, these people work every hour of every day, holidays included. Did you know that? Of course you did.) These receptionists have to be cleared to access the same quality of information and equipment as everybody else who works there. Oh, and they will also need a database architect, IT support, and the purchase of minimum two computers plus specialized hardware to manage the tracking badges. Your receptionists will also need to be trained to do the job. Some of these infrastructure costs can be absorbed...but it's still an increase in costs.
Your solution, assuming a standard $75k minimum compensation for a government employee, adds roughly half a million dollars yearly in tax-payer waste PER office, PER site. Do you know how many government offices there are? I don't, but I do know there are a LOT.
Oh. That's a fantastic idea. Equip every worker in a highly sensitive secure area with a device that immediately reveals who they are to anyone with $20 of equipment once they leave the secure area. Because, you know, I think it's great if some random NSA worker gets off work, wants to grab a tasty Starbucks' non-coffee beverage on the way home, and is assailed by ${RANDOM-ANTI-US-RADICAL} because she was carrying a tag that electronically identified her.
It's not a law. It's the fact that corporations are beholden, essentially, to only their shareholders. The shareholders, by and large, want only one thing: more profit. Corporations thus function like an entity at Pre-Conventional Stage 2 morality, or the "what's in it for me?" stage (refc. Kohlberg). This does not mean they have an emphasis on doing evil, this means they don't care whether what they do is evil or not.
They only care about not getting caught when they do evil. Creative was caught, and now they are back-peddling to try to avoid the consequences of their actions.
By we, of course, the twitter-troll means he and his four sock-puppets(gnutoo, inTheLoo, Mactrope and Erris). That's the only community he knows. Sadly, he's not a child living in his parent's basement, he's a grown man who should know better.
If you're lucky. And you can find one of the USB->Serial adapters that's worth the plastic packaging it's shipped in. And your device happens to use a restricted set of serial functionality. I've never been that lucky. I'm looking at YOU, Ti-85 Serial PC Link Cable!
That's very, very interesting. I'm a non-native (partially-)fluent speaker of Chinese, and I was merely able to discern from writing patterns that the poster was a non-native speaker of english. I think what marked him as being sincere is the copious list of resources. People who aren't sincere in their beliefs have a tendency to just talk around a lack of supporting evidence, while those who are sincere have a tendency to have spent hours digging up any evidence that supports their position.
A brief google search is by no means comprehensive research, but I find it highly telling that the only other references to the above poster's cited works appear on sites such as gnosticliberationfront.com, nineoneone.nl, mothershiplanding.blogspot.com, and several anti-semetic pages. Not that I wish to claim untruthfulness on the part of the authors of the works, but perhaps the facts are not exactly as laid out in the books.
Another point of interest is, these references are completely off-topic. The discussion centers around PLA attacks against Tibetans. It is implicitly clear that the PRC is soft-gloving their response (ref Tianamen), and yet the international community still finds the reprisals against the protesters extreme. With the cyber attacks and the continuous waves of internet blocks put into the great firewall, it's also clear that China is attempting to keep this quiet. People whose websites are DDoSed out of existence can't post information damaging to the ruling party. Actions of historical Tibetans found unacceptable by the modern world are completely non-germane to the topic.
Why, again, did the world choose a despotic regime to host the Olympics?
Gutmann's paper on data remanence has not been discredited. In the words of Wikipedia, [citation needed]. Modern magnetic storage hard drives have, as far as I know, become so dense that it's no longer plausible to recover information in that way, but older drives were actually vulnerable. In fact as technology has advanced, more and more ways have been discovered to exploit remanence on many different storage media. All the techniques I've thus far seen have required a certain amount of laboratory equipment, and haven't been anywhere near even 95% reliability. Keep in mind, of course, that most people, myself included, have seen only what the government permits to be released about these techniques. Actual in-use classified techniques are likely an order of magnitude more successful. Regardless, when you're talking about sensitive personal information, something with social security numbers and addresses, even 20% reliability is a problem.
Oh, and your last point. Just because something is possible doesn't in any way mean it is useful or plausible to use in consumer-level hardware. If it requires a scanning electron microscope, for instance, to double or triple hard drive capacity, it's not at all worth it. Just buy another couple of disks.
The only valid statistics in this case will be "defacements per 1,000 servers active". Apache-using programmers are (apart from the brainwashing) no different from IIS-using programmers. They all make mistakes. Some of them just make those mistakes on a clearly superior platform.
(The defensive linux fanboi will mod me troll for calling windows superior. The defensive windows fanboi will mod me troll for calling linux superior. The rational people will mod this redundant, 'cause I'm sure it's been said a thousand times before.)
Is there some reason to avoid Giganews for a leecher? They've always seemed complete, long-lasting, and super fast as long as I've been using them. They also offer SSL for (I think) a small fee.
Anybody that shoots up a school is a person who has severe mental issues.
People with severe mental issues are frequently prescribed drugs to try to alleviate those issues.
Correlation DOES NOT EQUAL causation. In fact the most recent school shooting I can remember occurred when the shooter stopped taking his drugs and regressed to a much worse state. Clearly the drugs were at least holding his psychosis in check while he was taking them. To put your statement in a clearer light, "the 9-11 hijackers took aspirin when they had head-aches! Ban aspirin, it causes hijackers!"
Pascal wrote "Pascal's Theorem" at 16. Not science, maths
Other garbage I didn't bother to read... Seriously? Hard mathematical research isn't science? I bet you're American, no wonder this country is so backwards.
Two problems, dear arminw, Firstly, evolution is no belief, but a theory. A very well-rounded and largely complete theory that explains how we came to be. It is possible, despite the evidence in its favor, that evolution is wrong. That possibility is currently thought to be vanishingly small, due to the preponderance of evidence favoring evolution.
Secondly, "faith" cannot be correct, and it also cannot be wrong. Your faith, whatever it must be, is irrational. Pretending to be rational about faith is infantile and ridiculous. There is no proof of anything in any holy book that isn't in common with history texts, and in fact there is a great deal of evidence opposing these books. Pretending to look at the evidence and deciding that "ghost man inna sky did it!" is an immature thought process that by the year 2008 we should ALL have progressed far beyond.
Bah. I've written highly useful programs in Tcl. Of course, they were an upgrade from a csh script, and were written in Tcl only because it was the only language I could get a GUI out of. Just having a choice of colors other than green and black is an improvement.
The chief advantage of Tcl is that it's not really a language. It's a set of building blocks that come in the shape of a language. If you want to turn the entire thing into an unrecognizable monstrosity, Tcl will let you do that. I'm not sure why...but it's there nonetheless.
I would celebrate. That child in a grown man's body has done more to destroy this country than a million "nucular"-armed "terrorists" parachuting all over the US could ever hope to do. Did you hear me? I would fucking raise a toast. I would shoot off fireworks. It would be a second god-damned independence day.
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Careful, your ignorance is showing. Do you honestly believe there are no ways to block junk mail before it is delivered? Here's a helpful exercise: every time you find something you don't know, throw it into Google and skim the first five links or so. Here's what my 10 seconds of casual effort dug up:
This will block 90%+ of junk mail, and I actually signed up months ago. The only junk mail I get is a local free newspaper that just gets stuffed into every box regardless.
http://www.dmaconsumers.org/consumerassistance.php
This thing is pure gold. It will block ALL of those "pre-approved" credit card offers. You know the ones, they come with a 29.99% APR, a $650 limit, and yearly fees? Well, at least the ones my wife gets do. I signed up on this thing and I haven't had a single one since.
https://www.optoutprescreen.com/
Warcraft: $15 / month, 6 hours a day. It's a social event with friends...ever tried to raid with people you hate? No. You can hold down a job and even eat well. If you're careful, you can even keep a family.
Crack: $25 / hit lasting 10-15 minutes, and then you want another. Try holding a job when the urinalysis shows you a drug addict. Try caring about buying food when your entire body is twanging for the next hit. Try keeping a family when you steal and pawn your wife's wedding ring just for another dose. Do you have any friends? Do you know the expression "crack whore"?
Unless you turn tricks for $15 to pay for your Warcraft "addiction", you're not addicted. World of Warcraft is not just like Crack, and anybody who seriously claims it is should go and volunteer in a real rehab center for a full day. You don't have an addiction, you have a hobby. Learn some god-damned perspective, you molly-coddled children.
Quibbling over definitions isn't productive, anonymous twit.
If Google is making people get emails that they don't want, then Google should FIX IT. Nobody gives two shits what it's called, just get it fixed.
Here's a funny thing:
Your assumption is that the average windows user can handle replacing a video card. I provide (for pay or barter) support to all of my neighbors, friends, co-workers, etc. for their Windows PCs. About 3/4 of the work I do is clearing viruses and malware. The remainder is installing software, replacing defective hardware, and making their new Wal-Mart special digital camera work the way they want, or explaining why Word can't open that PDF. I charge a high enough price that if they could do these things themselves, they would.
What would be the difference if they all ran Linux? I'd have only 1/4 of the work to do. It would be for the exact same issues. I just wouldn't have to fix viruses.
chances are I have been using Linux since before you were out of diapers.
Not the OP, but on August 25th, 1991, I was lurking on comp.os.minix. I was, I'll have you know, completely potty-trained by then, at the tender age of 17.
My entire family runs Linux. We've never put pictures and data into any sort of source-control. In fact that seems almost incredibly excessive. We just back up regularly. Pretty hard for a virus to do something damaging when a bare-metal reinstall and restore of personal data takes 10 minutes.
First one is why does a democracy need secrecy?
This is a straw-man argument, but I'll respond anyways.
From time to time, the US has fought wars, some of them good, some of them bad. In all cases, we kept secrets about the wars. Would you prefer the North Koreans to know every weakness of our missile defense? Would you prefer that the U.S.S.R. had known exactly what our defensive arsenal was during the Cuban nuclear crisis? Would you prefer that Muslim extremists know our exact travel routes and troop densities in Iraq?
If your answer to any of those questions is "yes", you are directly stating your wish for American citizens to die.
First off, receptionists don't get paid $75,000/year.
Did you read what I wrote? Or are you being deliberately obtuse? I specifically and intentionally wrote "compensation". In a government job, the total compensation for an entry-level receptionist will cost roughly $75k yearly. My source claims $106k total yearly compensation for the average government employee.
Third, a receptionist is the only reliable facial-recognition system on the market today.
Not true. A person is the most reliable facial-recognition system. However that person has to already know whoever it is gaining entry to the facility. The facilities that I am most concerned with protecting are places like the NSA, where you might have more than two thousand employees in a single building. It is manifestly impossible for a secretary to have every person's face committed to memory. As for a missile silo? By all means. Have the 12 soldiers that guard that location tracked. I'm sure you'll find that they play a lot of cards and smoke a lot of cigarettes.
I never said a word about single-factor or two-factor or infinity-factor authentication. My entire post was specifically and only directed at the insane demand to have minute-by-minute rfid tracking of every government employee.
Fourth, the receptionists do not have to be cleared to access the same quality of information as everyone else.
Bullshit, bullshit, BULLSHIT. If you are controlling access to a facility containing sensitive information or equipment, you must be cleared to a level that can access that information. Why? Because the clearance is an assurance for the government that you will not intentionally release that information to a foe. If you don't clear your secretaries, and they control access to the information, what's to prevent Mr.Spy from being hired as a secretary and then letting his friend into the building?
Finally, the facility should already have IT support. Additionally, two computers is not a huge expense, and a software architect should be a one-time expense (assuming he does his job correctly).
I mentioned something about "Some of these infrastructure costs can be absorbed". That obviously implies that the infrastructure costs are not a huge expense, merely an additional expense that must be dealt with.
You're really grasping for straws to support this somewhat maniacal demand to have minute-by-minute tracking of when government employees go to the bathroom. Why?
"annoying geek sarcasm"?
I'm sorry, am I no longer on SLASHDOT, the BASTION of GEEKS? What you mean as an insult, you anonymous sniveling worm, I proudly wear as a BADGE OF HONOR!
Your solution is quite lacking. Here's why:
Current situation: Everybody has some kind of badge with a mag-stripe for access. These must be issued and collected when people are hired or leave the unit.
First proposal: everybody has some kind of badge with an rfid for access. These must be issued and collected when people are hired or leave the unit, as well as being sniffable by $20 of Radio Shack junk.
Your proposal: everybody has some kind of badge with a mag-stripe for access. These must be issued and collected when people are hired or leave the unit. Once the employee arrives in the building, he/she must sign out some kind of tracking badge from a receptionist. These must also be issued and collected when people are hired or leave the unit, but they're maintained in a central location (theoretically). You have to pay the salary for somewhere around 6-8 receptionists, to ensure there's always somebody there to pass out and take in badges. (Remember, these people work every hour of every day, holidays included. Did you know that? Of course you did.) These receptionists have to be cleared to access the same quality of information and equipment as everybody else who works there. Oh, and they will also need a database architect, IT support, and the purchase of minimum two computers plus specialized hardware to manage the tracking badges. Your receptionists will also need to be trained to do the job. Some of these infrastructure costs can be absorbed...but it's still an increase in costs.
Your solution, assuming a standard $75k minimum compensation for a government employee, adds roughly half a million dollars yearly in tax-payer waste PER office, PER site. Do you know how many government offices there are? I don't, but I do know there are a LOT.
Oh. That's a fantastic idea. Equip every worker in a highly sensitive secure area with a device that immediately reveals who they are to anyone with $20 of equipment once they leave the secure area. Because, you know, I think it's great if some random NSA worker gets off work, wants to grab a tasty Starbucks' non-coffee beverage on the way home, and is assailed by ${RANDOM-ANTI-US-RADICAL} because she was carrying a tag that electronically identified her.
"Natively" does not mean in a seamless emulator/VM, no matter how pretty it may be.
It's not a law. It's the fact that corporations are beholden, essentially, to only their shareholders. The shareholders, by and large, want only one thing: more profit. Corporations thus function like an entity at Pre-Conventional Stage 2 morality, or the "what's in it for me?" stage (refc. Kohlberg). This does not mean they have an emphasis on doing evil, this means they don't care whether what they do is evil or not.
They only care about not getting caught when they do evil. Creative was caught, and now they are back-peddling to try to avoid the consequences of their actions.
By we, of course, the twitter-troll means he and his four sock-puppets(gnutoo, inTheLoo, Mactrope and Erris). That's the only community he knows. Sadly, he's not a child living in his parent's basement, he's a grown man who should know better.
If you're lucky. And you can find one of the USB->Serial adapters that's worth the plastic packaging it's shipped in. And your device happens to use a restricted set of serial functionality. I've never been that lucky. I'm looking at YOU, Ti-85 Serial PC Link Cable!
That's very, very interesting. I'm a non-native (partially-)fluent speaker of Chinese, and I was merely able to discern from writing patterns that the poster was a non-native speaker of english. I think what marked him as being sincere is the copious list of resources. People who aren't sincere in their beliefs have a tendency to just talk around a lack of supporting evidence, while those who are sincere have a tendency to have spent hours digging up any evidence that supports their position.
A brief google search is by no means comprehensive research, but I find it highly telling that the only other references to the above poster's cited works appear on sites such as gnosticliberationfront.com, nineoneone.nl, mothershiplanding.blogspot.com, and several anti-semetic pages. Not that I wish to claim untruthfulness on the part of the authors of the works, but perhaps the facts are not exactly as laid out in the books.
Another point of interest is, these references are completely off-topic. The discussion centers around PLA attacks against Tibetans. It is implicitly clear that the PRC is soft-gloving their response (ref Tianamen), and yet the international community still finds the reprisals against the protesters extreme. With the cyber attacks and the continuous waves of internet blocks put into the great firewall, it's also clear that China is attempting to keep this quiet. People whose websites are DDoSed out of existence can't post information damaging to the ruling party. Actions of historical Tibetans found unacceptable by the modern world are completely non-germane to the topic.
Why, again, did the world choose a despotic regime to host the Olympics?
Gutmann's paper on data remanence has not been discredited. In the words of Wikipedia, [citation needed]. Modern magnetic storage hard drives have, as far as I know, become so dense that it's no longer plausible to recover information in that way, but older drives were actually vulnerable. In fact as technology has advanced, more and more ways have been discovered to exploit remanence on many different storage media.
All the techniques I've thus far seen have required a certain amount of laboratory equipment, and haven't been anywhere near even 95% reliability. Keep in mind, of course, that most people, myself included, have seen only what the government permits to be released about these techniques. Actual in-use classified techniques are likely an order of magnitude more successful. Regardless, when you're talking about sensitive personal information, something with social security numbers and addresses, even 20% reliability is a problem.
Oh, and your last point. Just because something is possible doesn't in any way mean it is useful or plausible to use in consumer-level hardware. If it requires a scanning electron microscope, for instance, to double or triple hard drive capacity, it's not at all worth it. Just buy another couple of disks.
The only valid statistics in this case will be "defacements per 1,000 servers active". Apache-using programmers are (apart from the brainwashing) no different from IIS-using programmers. They all make mistakes. Some of them just make those mistakes on a clearly superior platform.
(The defensive linux fanboi will mod me troll for calling windows superior. The defensive windows fanboi will mod me troll for calling linux superior. The rational people will mod this redundant, 'cause I'm sure it's been said a thousand times before.)
Is there some reason to avoid Giganews for a leecher? They've always seemed complete, long-lasting, and super fast as long as I've been using them. They also offer SSL for (I think) a small fee.
Anybody that shoots up a school is a person who has severe mental issues.
People with severe mental issues are frequently prescribed drugs to try to alleviate those issues.
Correlation DOES NOT EQUAL causation. In fact the most recent school shooting I can remember occurred when the shooter stopped taking his drugs and regressed to a much worse state. Clearly the drugs were at least holding his psychosis in check while he was taking them. To put your statement in a clearer light, "the 9-11 hijackers took aspirin when they had head-aches! Ban aspirin, it causes hijackers!"
Nothing at all!
The Mafia probably wear better suits when they come to claim protection money, come to think of it.
Other garbage I didn't bother to read... Seriously? Hard mathematical research isn't science?
I bet you're American, no wonder this country is so backwards.
Two problems, dear arminw,
Firstly, evolution is no belief, but a theory. A very well-rounded and largely complete theory that explains how we came to be. It is possible, despite the evidence in its favor, that evolution is wrong. That possibility is currently thought to be vanishingly small, due to the preponderance of evidence favoring evolution.
Secondly, "faith" cannot be correct, and it also cannot be wrong. Your faith, whatever it must be, is irrational. Pretending to be rational about faith is infantile and ridiculous. There is no proof of anything in any holy book that isn't in common with history texts, and in fact there is a great deal of evidence opposing these books. Pretending to look at the evidence and deciding that "ghost man inna sky did it!" is an immature thought process that by the year 2008 we should ALL have progressed far beyond.
Bah.
I've written highly useful programs in Tcl. Of course, they were an upgrade from a csh script, and were written in Tcl only because it was the only language I could get a GUI out of. Just having a choice of colors other than green and black is an improvement.
The chief advantage of Tcl is that it's not really a language. It's a set of building blocks that come in the shape of a language. If you want to turn the entire thing into an unrecognizable monstrosity, Tcl will let you do that. I'm not sure why...but it's there nonetheless.
I would celebrate. That child in a grown man's body has done more to destroy this country than a million "nucular"-armed "terrorists" parachuting all over the US could ever hope to do. Did you hear me? I would fucking raise a toast. I would shoot off fireworks. It would be a second god-damned independence day.