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Cyber Attacks against Tibetan Communities
UnderAttack writes "The SANS Internet Storm Center reports about an increasing number of sophisticated and targeted cyber attacks against Tibetan NGOs. These attacks appear to be related to attacks against other anti-chinese groups like Falun Gong. 'There is lots of media coverage on the protests in Tibet. Something that lies under the surface, and rarely gets a blip in the press, are the various targeted cyber attacks that have been taking place against these various communities recently. These attacks are not limited to various Tibetan NGOs and support groups. They have been reported dating back to 2002, and even somewhat before that, and have affected several other communities, including Falun Gong and the Uyghurs.'"
And since guys doing such things for fun are nearly entirely pro-Tibet, who is left as the only interested party?
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
They needn't be government sponsored merely idividuals and organizations who are ignored by the government as long as they stay on the "right" side of the law. Believe or not, extreme nationalists are willing to do the dirty work for free. It doesn't matter what country your in, you'll find some extreme patriots willing to go above and beyond to silence thier radical counterparts. Some governments do more to stop them, others do less... when it suits them.
Slightly off-topic : i doubt those crazy Falun-Gong followers qualify as an "anti-Chinese group". They're just a sect/spiritual_practice/younameit which has no such goal as "being anti-Chinese". The Chinese goverment does qualify as "anti falun gong" though.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks as if you have to click a powerpoint attachment for this to work. So the attacker is posing as the clueless secretary or retarded bureaucrat of the organization?--Because those are the chronic ignoramuses who sends me that kind of .doc, .ppt, .xls crap. Maybe its about time one of our TLAs spread the word to democracy loving NGOs in oppressive regimes: don't click on any microsoft attachments, ever, period. If its that important, bounce the message and tell them to convert it to PDF, preferably with a snide little comment so they at least have unpleasant associations next time they do it.
Just callin' it like I see it.
Don't click on parent's link. It's not Goatse, it's some random chat page.
If you feel that you are vulnerable to this sort of thing - the solution is simple: text only email/attachments.
Text contains all the information that you want. It is sometimes nicer to make things look prettier, but give me sunstance over style all the time.
Several replies and no-one has really been on topic. Doesn't anybody care about the plight of the Tibetans?
... but surely this has not diminished your sense of pity for others. (Or, perhaps it does, seems that it might explain many mysterious things.)
I know Americans are all "gung ho" when it comes to invading countries that are important to it AKA Iraq, Vietnam
China forced its way into Tibet quit some time ago, and now seem to be systematically destroying the Tibetan culture. Yet the Chinese shit in the face of anything that might detract from their own cultural identity.
Aren't you guys ashamed? Or have all your high falutin morals gone down the drain!
It should be emphasized that the exiled Tibetan groups based in India are extremely vulnerable to China's attacks and snooping since they often operate on aging hardware running obsolete and unpatched Windows software, partly out of necessity since some Tibetan-language word-processing tools that they're familiar with only run on obsolete MS platforms and partly because they're only now beginning to realize that Linux can also be made to work for them both on the servers and desktops. In fact the government in neighboring Bhutan has already created a comprehensive Dzongkha (a Tibetan-like language using the same script) version of Linux.
Equally huge problem is that most Tibetans in exile will naturally try to communicate with their family and friends back in the Chinese-occupied Tibet, but they don't realize that their unencrypted emails, "yahoo chats" and mobile text messages are all being monitored and logged by the Chinese authorities. Even if they don't exchange any sensitive information, simply receiving messages from outside China's control makes any Tibetan a suspect. Actually just being a Tibetan makes one a suspect under the eyes of the Chinese colonial masters...
Should invading one's peaceful neighbours be opposed, or rewarded with trade deals?
Cyber Command!!! I knew it, they have started operation World Domination!
I for one welcome our new Cyber overlords.
Hi there,
Do you have sources for this 'information' ?
Completely unrelated : is your paycheck in Chinese currency ?
(Also, you sound like that guy that keeps sending me emails from Nigeria. Where are my 149.000.000.000 dollars ?)
We have been getting an increasing number of sophisticated and targeted cyber attacks against all our servers, dating back to 2002 and earlier as well, including email content specific to our business to slip in under the radar. Its NORMAL - attacks evolve, defenses evolve. Statistically show us how these particular communities are getting something unusual Vs every other visible server/community hooked up to the internet and you *might* have a story. If not, then this just reeks of more drum beating propaganda - building a case and justify upcoming anti-anonymity, anti hack tools, and all other manner of nasty anti-internet laws you can think of... to protect us of course.
And if your going to reply about how bad China is and Tibet's suffering - don't bother you have missed the point... its not about Tibet/China.
Please see this good references, written by two Germen.
http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/SDLE/Contents.htm
and their links
http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/EN/links.htm
Also, please see the following two youtube videos how the western media lies!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas
There are some references list
Matthias HermannsMythen und Mysterien. Magie und Religion der Tibeter, Koeln 1956
Mary Craig:Kundun, a biogrphy of the family of the Dalai Lama, London 1997
Melvyn Goldstein, A history of modern Tibet 1913-1951. The Demise of the Lamaist state, Berkely, 1989
John Stevens Lust und Erleuchtung. Sexualitaet im Buddhismus,Bern, 1993
If you want more refs about Tibet history, please let me know...
Support pan-nationalism. Only ethno-culturally unified and independent nations are free from oppression and persecution.
1. Find oil.
2. Spotting Osama Bin Laden in Lhasa.
3. Appeal to democratic nations about the invasion of sovereign territory by a foreign power (just kidding, who'd want to go to war for that kind of thing).
Yeah yeah, China thinks all it's neighboor are part of its territory, that doesn't make it true.
Falun Gong is Chinese. That sentence should say "Chinese rebel groups like Falun Gong".
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make install -not war
Excellent parody!
'Deconvolution' seems to be our very own Chinese government propagandist, if his/her commenting history is anything to go by.
If sites like Slashdot have one, I wonder how many more main-stream sites are targeted in this way.
I don't know about anyone else, but the upcoming Olympics is leaving a bad taste in my mouth already.
(Anonymous through genuine fear, these guys are like Scientologists on angeldust)
Most Falun Gong ARE Chinese. The government does not like them, fearing an organised group, though religious, could turn political, but to identify this as "anti-Chinese" is really nonsensical. (Americans might like to compare with the "Why do you hate America?" jibes made to demonise political opponents.)
You are WRONG.
Buddhism is about non-violence. A core precept is not committing sexual misconduct. In Tibet - if you want to talk to a girl you have to ask the parents for marriage.
The Chinese people have committed such a heinous crime against these people. Mao's army committed massive acts of rape. THE CHINESE ARMY FORCED TEENAGE GIRLS INTO SEX SERVICE. Mao's army murdered, conquered, and burnt the Tibetan "savages".
Shame on you. Ignorance is not a source of happiness.
Believe what you will.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
You do know what sophistry is don't you?
Perhaps you should talk to a bona-fide tantric buddhist practitioner before you paint them all with one brush, based on some bizarre cooks collection of papers.
Those very same tantric buddhists, from the very highest levels, have been saying: "Don't let recent events in Tibet let anger increase in the mind through discussion or action." Obviously very dangerous people, right?
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
The US owes china a lot of money.
Envy is the weakness of china.
Greed is the weakness of the US.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
Idealistic, and unrealistic. Olympic athletes are interested in careers, sponsorship endorsements etc... and NOT politics.
Since when where athletes too greedy to think for themselves? If athletes don't speak out, it will because of some threat over their career,
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
I think the grand-parent was being glib.
Buddhists believe in karma, which is why they are against violence. Destroying people and taking their land is not a sane way of seeking happiness and stability. Your children will grow up thinking that they can solve problems by destroying others. The chinese people are sowing the seeds of conflict in their own lives. There is a tragic quality to all of this.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
Download it from PB, that will teach the IOC. No money for them!
A better effort would be not not buy anything from there, but only taiwan. Common apple, make a Communist Free iPod in Red/white/blue.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Mabe we need to boycott walmart or put big signs by the doors show what china does to Tibet for most of the items in the store.
Maybe we need to boycott walmart or put big signs by the doors show what china does to Tibet for most of the items in the store.
Now let Coke, Samsung and Lenovo know you're not going to buy their stuff while they support the Olympics and you'll start being effective.
Lenovo may not give a damn, but Samsung and Coke aren't directly tied to China's teat. It's terrible PR to be tied to repression.
Tantra means "continuity", and points to some sort of continuity of experience. Tantra is practiced because it is considered expedient in fulfilling the bodhisattva vow. Bodhisattva means "enlightened hero", and the vow is about working *ceaselessly* for the benefit of *all* sentient beings. If there were such a thing as an evil spirit, the boshisattva would be concerned about its liberation from suffering.
The famous Tibetan yogi, Milarepa, practiced black magic when he was a young man. He became ashamed and afraid that he was destined for a hell realm. He then sought out the great translator Marpa and asked to be taught how to work with his bad karma. Milarepa put aside all evil deeds and reconciled himself with his past, and went on to right thousands of songs about liberation from suffering. His story highlights two things about Tibetan buddhism:
+ Wrong deeds of the past (such as using black magic) can be rectified
+ Evil is not an inherit trait like goodness. If you aspire to be evil, you will suffer, but if you aspire to be good, you can find liberation from suffering.
Your understanding of tantric buddhism is misguided at best. It is completely plausible that someone can believe that they are knowledgeable about a subject, yet completely miss the mark. That's a topic addressed by cognitive bias.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
It shouldn't come as no surprise that now, all of a sudden, from behind the Great Fire-Wall of China there's loads of Chinese people crowding the forums of the free press.
It's shouldn't come as no surprise at all that all of these people defend the party line, and all of'm make the same mistakes in grammar, punctuation and spelling. The Chinese demagogs responding to the articles online are most likely brainwashed by their Government, or a mere puppets trying to force their despicable beliefs upon us.
Poor lonely Tchang has been given a dial-up line by the Butchers of Beijing and now has to force the Party Line upon us. In their crappy Chinglinsh they state that 'national interest is always over human rights', and it's an indication they are beyond help.
Tchang; don't be confused. We will have Human Rights prevail over National Interests! Human Rights issues are ALWAYS more important than national issues. There is more to Life and Humanity than Mammon, the current God of China.
Were it not the case, we'd be lost as Humanity.
That is a very serious accusation, against the Chinese people no less, not the Chinese goverment, bigotry works both ways. Do you have any proofs? Something better other than "they are communists, communism is EVIL, therefore they must have done every EVIL things under the sun."
Please, editors, do your readers the courtesy of defining acronyms not in mainstream usage in your summaries. (Yes, even SANS failed to do so, but that's still no excuse.)
- Europe also took a not-insignificant role in Hawaii -
Got to stop speed typing before coffee...
I am 100% sure, the Chinese army would not do that. To stop such stupid argument, you just need to know one fact (as a bottom line): the STD infection was terrible when the army came to the Tibet 1959 and the Tantra scripts probably didnt mention the receipts of penicillin.
Please read this FACT before you reply: http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
Not all Tibetan exiles are enamoured of the old Shangri-La theocracy. Kim Lewis, who studied healing methods with a Buddhist monk in Berkeley, California, had occasion to talk at length with more than a dozen Tibetan women who lived in the monk's building. When she asked how they felt about returning to their homeland, the sentiment was unanimously negative. At first, Lewis assumed that their reluctance had to do with the Chinese occupation, but they quickly informed her otherwise. They said they were extremely grateful "not to have to marry 4 or 5 men, be pregnant almost all the time," or deal with sexually transmitted diseases contacted from a straying husband. The younger women "were delighted to be getting an education, wanted absolutely nothing to do with any religion, and wondered why Americans were so naive [about Tibet]."
When the blacks rioted in LA in 1992, nobody thought that they were freedom fighters, everyone thought that they were thugs and gangsters. Hell, we aren't even the ones who once kept minorities in slavery. Yet nobody here seems to recognize the people raising hell in Tibet are the equivalent of thugs and gangsters.
American hypocrisy at its best, right here.
Have you ever met a native Tibetan? I have met many. The views of Kim Lewis are one data point. I'm sure there were plenty of Tibetan people who were disenfrancised.
I am 100% sure, the Chinese army would not do that.
Then you have rose tinted glasses about armies and war. The Dalai lama wrote to Mao saying basically: "How can the tibetan people accept rule as liberation when their homes are being burnt, and people are being raped and murdered." Mao wrote back (officially) and said that these crimes would subside, and it's all for the best of the Tibetan people.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
Speaking of whom...
It's pretty amazing the stylistic similarities between political/religious trolls.
In the case of the Scilons, there's enough of a cultural gap between the Scilons and... well, everyone, that the Scilons stick out like sore thumbs wherever they troll. They have a few keywords and talking points that they tend to always come back to, and as the troll gets more and more agitiated, the odd bit of Scilon jargon or grammatical construction sneaks in. I can usually recognize a Scilon within a couple of paragraphs.
I don't know much about Chinese culture, nor about all the issues the PLA troll was citing, nor about the issues he was harping about, but it was clear from his text that those issues were important to him. So important that they overrode considerations of fact. How the hell I knew that is beyond me, which is the interesting part of the problem. I wasn't alone in seeing him for what he was. Somehow, most of us who spend a lot of time on message boards get really good at recognize doublethink/blackwhite when we see it.
I'd like to quantify and automate that process.
In the case of Pubs and Dems, they share a mostly-common culture, and all the debate takes place on US/English message boards, so you have to look for party-specific jargon. (Pubs tend to say "Democrat party" vs "Democratic party", for example, and Dems tend to overestimate the importance of Milt Friedman because one of their favorite authors said so. A "neutral" commentator who blames Friedman for the ills of the world, or who speaks of the Democrat party, outs themselves.) That makes it a hard proposition, so let's skip them for now.
But in the case of PLA trolls in English message boards and Tibet threads, the grammar is the dead giveaway. It's similar to the occasional appearance of a Putinist or Nashi troll on a English-speaking message board. It's interesting and worthwhile to read what the other side sees... but it's pretty clear what's going on.
The Serious Question: I only speak English, so that sort of thing sticks out pretty easily to me. Any of you Chinese speakers (or Russkies?) have the same sort of problem with our trolls trying to pass themselves off as neutral in your forums, and are we just as obvious? And for the Chinese, can you usually tell from grammatical/style cues that an author is/isn't Han?
I'd love to quantify how I make those assessments in my head. I'd love to automate it so that I could write a browser plugin called "Know Your Audience" that would display a pop-up warning such as "OP has political affiliation XYZ and is a native speaker of ABC. Your reply uses buzzwords and cultural references that likely indicating to him that you're from political affiliation FOO and a native speaker of BAR. Use different grammatical and conventions to be more convincing."
Anyone at Google who feels the same... there's a great idea for your copious free time, because the other folks working on that problem ain't releasing their solutions to the public in the forseeable future :)
I don't think any of you guys have been to Tibet personally, or you care what happens to Tibetan people. If you did, you could not have made those comments. I visited Tibet last May, and to my surprise, most Tibetan people living in huge stone mansion like houses built by governments. You could see these houses throughout entire region with their unique colored roofs. Other ethnic groups (China has more than 50 different "races") are not so thrilled about this, but they can't do much to influence decisions made thousands miles away in Beijing. Much like the American Indians could operate casinos, Tibetan people enjoy many "rights" other ethnic groups do not. If you saw how many people participated in the riots, how it started (initially a march by the exiles in India to denounce Olympics), you can not help by notice the media's bias in reporting. To the peace loving people of the world, if you cared about truth, peace, and justice, you should read history, and digg the truth. Don't let the media and what it fed you blind you.
The Chinese government is red-faced on this...
Take a look for example at the "WW2" article. It's a freaking featured article, yet it's insanely pro-soviet. Instead of listing the Soviet Union as one of the two initial aggressors or even mentioning them as combattants on the Axis side, most of the article praises the deeds of Soviet soldiers.
"Deeds of Soviet soldiers". Hell right. Same as what happened in Tallin recently when folks protested against having a statue of thugs who occupied them for >50 years worshipped in the middle of the capital.
Does the WW2 article even mention Poles murdered between Sep 17 1939 and June 22 1941? Does it say anything about history books not even mentioning that time? Not a word. And I wouldn't call murdering most of Polish intelligentsia, officers and many of skilled workers something non-notable.
And why Wikipedia is so biased? Because it can be subverted with just a bit of astroturfing, something that Putin learned pretty well. The Chinese are starting to learn such tricks as well.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
each chinese made product we buy goes into the coffers of the fascist administration that organizes such attacks. and no, im not american, im turkish, and i have no objection to cheap goods or outsourced labor. my only requirement is that what i pay shouldnt go to trash like these.
Read radical news here
A brief google search is by no means comprehensive research, but I find it highly telling that the only other references to the above poster's cited works appear on sites such as gnosticliberationfront.com, nineoneone.nl, mothershiplanding.blogspot.com, and several anti-semetic pages. Not that I wish to claim untruthfulness on the part of the authors of the works, but perhaps the facts are not exactly as laid out in the books.
Another point of interest is, these references are completely off-topic. The discussion centers around PLA attacks against Tibetans. It is implicitly clear that the PRC is soft-gloving their response (ref Tianamen), and yet the international community still finds the reprisals against the protesters extreme. With the cyber attacks and the continuous waves of internet blocks put into the great firewall, it's also clear that China is attempting to keep this quiet. People whose websites are DDoSed out of existence can't post information damaging to the ruling party. Actions of historical Tibetans found unacceptable by the modern world are completely non-germane to the topic.
Why, again, did the world choose a despotic regime to host the Olympics?
Just another "DOJ fascist authoritarian totalitarian bootlicker" -- Zeio
You mean, the same Chinese army that shot and killed unarmed and peaceful demonstrators in 1989? You're either a government shill, or a nationalist of the worst sort. What frightens me the most about China these days isn't the Communist party - it's nationalists of your ilk who put China first, Chinese people second and all others third.
I also like how everything that paints Tibet in a bad light is FACT, while everything that paints China in a bad light is WRONG, without proper historical context, irrelevant or justified to counter nefarious external influences or actions.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
That's very, very interesting. I'm a non-native (partially-)fluent speaker of Chinese, and I was merely able to discern from writing patterns that the poster was a non-native speaker of english. I think what marked him as being sincere is the copious list of resources. People who aren't sincere in their beliefs have a tendency to just talk around a lack of supporting evidence, while those who are sincere have a tendency to have spent hours digging up any evidence that supports their position.
Just another "DOJ fascist authoritarian totalitarian bootlicker" -- Zeio
You base your opinion on a quote based on very small (less than 20) and biased (all ex-patriots) sample that amounts to noise...or a sound bite...or, deliberate, misinformation.
Which is it?
l'Homme n'est Rien l'Oeuvre Tout: Gustave Flaubert to George Sand
Do NOT click on parent link, goes to a shock site.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
I am tied of these BS. You'd better read more before "shame on" others. http://thetruthoftibet.blogspot.com/ http://newschecker.blogspot.com/2007/10/dalai-lama-hero-in-western-world.html I am not saying old Tibet was all bad. And myself is a supporter of Buddhism. Personally, I am very respectful to Dalai Lama as a religion leader. But come on, history is history. At that old time it was closer to hell for most of the population then heaven.
"The Chinese people have committed such a heinous crime against these people. Mao's army committed massive acts of rape. THE CHINESE ARMY F"ORCED TEENAGE GIRLS INTO SEX SERVICE."
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fuck you , how did you make up those bullshit! have you ever been China , or have any kind of evidence!?
if you keep telling false things like this, the only crime the Chinese people will do will be to you.
Go to hell , you fucking western underdog. dare you not use/buy anything chinese. else you will get a car crashing on you .
do not act like an enemry of chinese people, or they will get you. fuck you.
China, in fact, is very fragile.
Fair enough.
A core precept is not committing sexual misconduct.
What's "misconduct"?
In Tibet - if you want to talk to a girl you have to ask the parents for marriage.
Or what? Or there will be violence, is my guess. That ludicrous proposition itself constitutes sexual misconduct by the culture generally, and by the specific people who enforce it, in that the girl here is denied any free right of sexual expression. It sexually enslaves her. Obviously not as violently as the Chinese army; but at the core of it, the intention is the same: you get to decide how she will express her sexuality.
It also constitutes a breach of free right of association amounting to violence, in that she is denied simple personal interaction with other people merely on the basis of her, and their, gender. It is an absurd and disgusting idea, and you should be, yourself, ashamed for suggesting it.
i think every westerner shall understand something first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo
the video above presents common chinese people(like me)'s feeling about how you guys' evil stance on China's Tibet.
and this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas
to reveal how westerner media blend the truth on the recent incident.
i'm a commoner and not a commie agent that you westerners used to call the ones who says something not western. i can tell judged by the poor quality and the signature the both video clips are made by some fellow patriotic chinese internet user, not gov't agent. they are just trying to make you libral-alike heroes know what really happened in the tibet region.
i understand you people hate anything communist,that's ok with me. but you should realize if you turned your finger to Chinese/China in large, you are against 1/6 of the earth peopulation. Trying to undermine China will only result in confrontation with everyone in China, either communist or non-communist. if confrontation is your goal, keep doing it, a world war III will be the only outcome.
China, in fact, is very fragile.
What's "misconduct"?
Misconduct is obvious. It means that if are going to have sexual relations with someone, that you are true to them. It also means that you do not cause harm to others by interfering in their relationships. You also to not cause harm to others with inappropriate behaviour in the workplace and elsewhere.
Or what? Or there will be violence, is my guess.
There are other ways to solve problems than violence. Where I live, people talk to each other. There is also significant trust in the legal system. Look to Newfoundland in Canada, which has the lowest death rate of pretty much any nation.
Obviously not as violently as the Chinese army; but at the core of it, the intention is the same: you get to decide how she will express her sexuality.
By western standards, it is obviously unfair for a father and mother to dictate the sexual activities of their sons and daughters until they are married. Nonetheless, if a young women wants to leave her culture she won't be locked up as is common in some cultures. I know a traditional tibetan lady who recently got married and first moved to the west just a few years ago. She has lived a very different life to western women, and is also very kind.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
Evidence??
Well, the Dalai Lama wrote to Mao, requesting that Mao order chinese atrocities to stop. Mao did not bother denying the atrocities and said they were good for the Tibetans cultural transformation.
Whatever land claims China had over Tibet, it interesting how someone could possibly use that to justify rape and murder. I guess the Chinese have their fear of free thinking, otherwise they wouldn't bother censor and revising history. Why do you care so much about controlling other people's thinking? Wake up.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
It is painfully obvious that a moral person does not justify their misdeeds by pointing to the misdeeds of others. You can never justify misdeeds - that is why they are called misdeeds. The world is what we make it. Lets make it a better place with human dignity. That means respecting other peoples thinking and livelihood.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
and stop telling the lies about the founding father of the people's republic. the truth is still that YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY EVIDENCE BACKING UP YOUR CLAIMS OF LIES.
yeah, right. Chairmao Mao found the republic and dared to stab U.S.A in both vietnam and korea, so you pity western clowns hate him so much.
but we chinese people love him. despite of his mistaks in the economics. Your disguesting claim sounds to me is like calling your George.Washington is a massive murderor of birtish soldier, and lincoln is rather a butchor of people of the southern states. and the two barbarians should be hanged in a manner similar to Saddam. How does this sound to you!
China, in fact, is very fragile.
The "mythical Russians", or Ashkenazi Jew as they called themselves, which those who invented communism and zionism and other hidden atrocities around the world, are clearly behind the uprising of Tibet.
Do you know the commonalities between California and Tibet?
U.S.A. grabbed California from Mexican, Chinese grabbed Tibet from Tibetian.
Mexicans are calling for re-conquista in California, Tibetians are calling for independence in Tibet.
Do you know Tibet's riots started right after Steven Spielberg boycott China and dropped out from the Olympic Organizing Committee?...Be very careful....The "Mythical Russians" are up to something.... If State Department is smart...keep their mouth shut! We need to keep our options open in case California goes nut.
The Hispanic radical elements might want to use May-Day demonstration to instigate riots to drag us into trouble and international condemnation.
Be very concerned....
This Tibet uprising is not as simple as it seems....
My crystal ball says that it may be a foreplay leading to uprising in California....
Any source for your claim? Typing in caps doesn't help.
In what sense "true"? Tell the truth to them? Sure, that's clearly good. If you mean, not be in a sexual relationship with more than one person at a time, I'm inclined to agree *for myself* but so long as all are fully informed I don't see it being anyone else's business. However if you mean that a person should only ever have sex with one other person, life-long ... that's your choice to make, but (a) I don't respect it much, as it makes a virtue of cowardice; (b) you don't get to make that choice for anyone else.
It also means that you do not cause harm to others by interfering in their relationships.
Up to a point, sure. Where exactly that point is, is a matter of opinion. I'll damn well interfere in a relationship that I have good grounds to consider abusive. I also don't see a problem with reminding someone who's going out with a jerk, that other options do exist.
You also to not cause harm to others with inappropriate behaviour in the workplace and elsewhere.
Agreed.
There are other ways to solve problems than violence. Where I live, people talk to each other. There is also significant trust in the legal system. Look to Newfoundland in Canada, which has the lowest death rate of pretty much any nation.
A legal system that forbids women from talking to me, or me to them, isn't worth much trust.
By western standards, it is obviously unfair for a father and mother to dictate the sexual activities of their sons and daughters until they are married.
No, it's just obviously unfair, regardless of one's cultural standards.
Nonetheless, if a young women wants to leave her culture
That it's that much of an issue is wrong too. Having sex with someone isn't the sort of decision that one ought to have to contemplate abandoning one's entire family and everyone one knows, to do it. she won't be locked up as is common in some cultures.
Good, but you don't get to congratulate yourselves for not being worse. I know a traditional tibetan lady who recently got married and first moved to the west just a few years ago. She has lived a very different life to western women, and is also very kind.
Hooray for the singular anecdote.
How in the world does that prevent sexual misconduct? Hell, plenty of parents sexually abuse their own children, or are happy to see them in abusive relationships if the "partner" is wealthy enough. Isn't it abusive in itself to prevent free association if the parents don't approve?
... and then they built the supercollider.
So, wouldn't you agree that the parents interfering in their children's relationships constitutes harm? So, aren't the parents guilty of sexual misconduct here?
... and then they built the supercollider.
A good percentage of the current generation has sold its soul to China in return for a constant flow of cheap clothes and electronics. And now they finance the debt for the Iraq invasion. Enjoy yourselves while the chickens come home to roost.
My peace of mind does not depend on
One thing that I was consciously aware of was how they said "Look at ": "Let's look at...", "We'll show how...", "Let's see the true face of western media". Such mistakes are hard to fix, because they're not technically wrong--just context-inappropriate.
Crap, should've previewed. I was referring to their use of "we" and "us" instead of "you." Dead giveaway. And if they fix that, there will be other signs. Even their attitudes give them away.
I'm suprised to find out that so many westerners(read:slashdotters!!!) are here talking BS about Tibet,and criticize others being brainwashed by Chinese government propaganda while they never do any research beforehand and being ignorant about Tibetian History.
,try to find all the references therein,and read them.
Please,please,if you don't believe in Chinese government's propaganda,do yourself a historical lesson with some credible materials (including the comments on the references)first:
Have a look at the following articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tibet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_invasion_of_Tibet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_invasion_of_Tibet
and if you become more interested
Also you can check out this video at youtube:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas
Stop acting like a intellectual superior and shut up if you know nothing more than the people you criticized.
Looks you really know a lot, then would you please explain the following concepts to me?
There is a spark in every single flame bait point.
Most of the evidence from the 60s and 70s comes from eye-witness accounts, as well as letters. Mao himself did not deny that atrocities were being committed, and said that it was for the good of the Tibetan people. They were being purged and transformed into communists. This is how he did it:
Monks and nuns were forcibly married and/or raped. Many monks were imprisoned; some were castrated and killed; a few abbots were killed by having their ears drilled with a brace and bit and molten lead poured into their brains, or by having their eyes scooped out with spoons and their brains scooped out through the eye sockets. Popular piety was suppressed. Pilgrimage, prostration, prayer flags on one's house, or speaking "OM Mani Padme Hum" -- all brought death. Perhaps a million tibetans, out of six million, were killed or exiled. Tens of thousands of widows were rape-married to Chinese soldiers.
If you really are interested in learning about what Chinese censorship is covering up, then I can recommend a book by a chinese woman called "Wild Swans". This book is not about Tibet, but rather about life for a Han Chinese woman. Chinese government atrocities are not limited to Tibet - they are widespread and ongoing.
Perhaps you think I've had my thinking adjusted by anti-communist propaganda? It's just that the Chinese are the ones who practice widespread censorship and historical revisionism. We do not have thought police where I live. I can think and say what I want about my government - and the government must account for its actions at election time. Chinese people who live here recognize that. Those that I've spoken to do not want to go back to China, precisely because of thought police.
Here's a link to a video of Chinese soldiers murdering Tibetans fleeing the regime. If China was doing the Tibetans such a grand favour, then why do soldiers have to kill people to encourage them not to flee their own homes?
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
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Each army shoots, but not each army rapes. Some even mentioned that one Chinese army in fact refused orders in 1989, and the government had to manoeuvre another one to Beijing.
We also know that Americans soldiers raped Japanese girls several times. Does that prove the American army is the worst in the world? Unless people can show evidence there was a large-scale rape in Tibet in the 1950s, I am not convinced that proves anything.
A siddha is someone who recognizes the illusion of believing in ones own thoughts. For example - you seem to believe in something right? Perhaps you think you're correct on some point? A siddha recognizes such things as an illusion. Believing you're correct about something is revealed by a subtle pervasive discomfort that something isn't quite right.
In tantric buddhism, there is a lot of talk about wisdom energies. These are based on deep drives that can be (I believe) traced back to the reptilian brain (see evolutionary psychology). There are two aspects to these energies - the male and female. The division is made, perhaps, because of subconscious obsessions with sex-roles that are imprinted on us when we are infants. Regardless of the origins of such a practice, the male is associated with action, and the female is associated with the wisdom that directs that action. Taken together, the male and female aspects are often shown in wrathful form and in sexual union with each other. The female is called the "consort" of the male. This points to a male orientation in the Tibetan culture.
Tantric buddhists practice visualizing various imaginary deities, to connect themselves with the deepest levels of their own consciousness. They imagine the confused and wise aspects of, for example, anger.
Youth has a role to play in these imaginations, simply because human beings associate youth with playfulness and purity. For example, a common practice is to visualize oneself as an eight-year old boy, who is perfectly pure and wise.
These practices are visualizations. I'm sure some crazy monk somewhere has something horrible because of their own neurosis - but one bad egg doesn't make every egg in the world bad.
It is an absurd misrepresentation to look at paintings that represent the inner workings of ones own mind, and then accuse people of doing something in the outer world. Tibetan monks and nuns are chaste unless they are married. If they are married, then they monogamous. Sure some people break societal rules like that - but they do so at the risk of being ostracized by society.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
While these attacks are going on, the Chinese govt appears to have employed a mass of people to act as online trolls. Anyone visiting popular news sites such as Telegraph, Guardian etc., will see the unlikely spectacle of a very large % (in some cases almost all the) messages throwing mud on the Dalai Lama and calling him a terrorist.
It is a no-brainer to figure out that these folks are employed by the Chinese...but this is what is difficult to understand: don't the Chinese authorities (the posters' / commentators' paymasters) understand that if 95% of the comments to an anti-China article is in favor of China and against Dalai Lama, it will be obvious to the world that the hand of China is behind these postings?
Is it that the trolls became over-enthusiastic or the Chinese govt is so brainwashed in its own demagougery skills that it believes the entire world will believe their ridiculous propaganda?
Also, the GP is spot on that the original Tibet that the Chinese had invaded was a stagnant feudal society with serfs tied to land and having no rights, and a ruling hereditary elite of Buddhist spiritual leaders. Not that China itself was any better under Mao, though... But people wishing for restoration of Tibet independence in its original form should really understand what it is they campaign for.
It is interesting to see such false lies can be labeled as informative here. It is really easy to bash a communist government in the west even with the cheapest lies. The army of China, though ruined its fame in the 1989 events, had a pretty good fame with its relation to the people of all nationalities all over China, including Tibet. That's why even when thousands of troops poured into Beijing in 1989, naive students on the square still believed the PLA will never harm them a little bit. In China, soldiers of the army are even not allowed to find girl friend or wife in their station region, and sex crime is treated with death penalty. Chinese government has done a lot of evil things because of its communist ideology, but blaming genocide and raping on the Communist Party is quite a stretch. A typical lie is "one million Tibetan" killed by China government around the 60s, which, if true, would pretty much wipe out the whole population in Tibet... Whereas, the reality is the population more than doubled in these years, and one-child policy only apply to Han Chinese. Tibetan in exile understandably made these false claims both because they are desperate to get attention from the west media and their hatred to the CCP. On the other hand, the people in the west who have always been fed with news of evil communists are really happy to accept these "facts" to reinforce the impression of evil China. Yes, you can tell I am from China. I have been a graduate student in the US for several years and can access all the information you can get. I have been labeled as "brainwashed" all the way when I say something like these in the US. Anyway, just for your information, the world is not black and white.