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Air Force Emails Sensitive Information to Tourism Site

Khuffie writes "The US Air Force has been sending sensitive information, including flight plans for Air Force One, to a website promoting the town of Mildenhall in Suffolk. When told of the error by the site's owner, the Air Force did not attempt to fix it at first. When reminded at a later time, instead of fixing the issue, they advised the owner to 'block unrecognizable addresses from his domain and have an auto-reply sent reminding people of the official Mildenhall domain and blocked his website from access on base.'"

242 comments

  1. The Airforce... by megla · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...because it's always someone elses problem.

    1. Re:The Airforce... by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 1

      Oh please, "security breaches"? What enemy could possibly challenge the US air force?

    2. Re:The Airforce... by megla · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm guessing being emailed confidential deployment plans and the route for Airforce 1 would get them off to a good start!

    3. Re:The Airforce... by Atreide · · Score: 1

      "...because it's always someone elses problem."

      Sure it is not mine !

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    4. Re:The Airforce... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The budget.

      Military spending is a huge contributor to the US's debt problems, and anything that reduces the efficiency of the military contributes to the problem. Consider how expensive the air force is to maintain -- when it comes time to curtail the military budget, the air force has a lot of low-hanging fruit.

      Security breaches and awareness of systemic ineptitude will just increase the likelihood that the air force will be targeted with more cuts.

      Never mind the fact the a security breach, if taken advantage of by the wrong people, could be *very* expensive.

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    5. Re:The Airforce... by Mushdot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you read the article you would know that sensitive information, including flight plans for the president and military tactics were received. So with that information it may not be such a challenge.

    6. Re:The Airforce... by somersault · · Score: 1

      I'm hoping that was sarcasm? The fact that it's so ludicrous hints at it, but I'm worried you were serious..

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    7. Re:The Airforce... by aug24 · · Score: 3, Funny

      In other news, the Air Force has requested that prostitutes, drug dealers and off-licences refuse money from US Airmen, and tell them to spend it on something moral and all-American instead.

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    8. Re:The Airforce... by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      The aliens in Independence Day did. Threatened them, but didn't defeat them. But how do you know that they haven't disguised themselves as tourist operators in Suffolk? This could be chance they need to retake the earth.

      And I don't know about you, but I don't think I could stand a sequel to ID4.

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    9. Re:The Airforce... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Oh please, "security breaches"? What enemy could possibly challenge the US air force? China. North Korea. Iran. North Vietnam. Palestine.

      Basically any country with nukes or that has close ties with a country with nukes. Of those, the most credible threats are probably from China and North Korea.

      Oh, wait...were you joking?
    10. Re:The Airforce... by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Vietnam and North Korea had weapons support from china. iran and North Korea wouldn't last three months on their own. Palenstine can't keep isreal out, let alone anyone else. I think you mean Pakistan. Pakistan would fight bravely and even win a few battles but would be overcome.

      China,India, and Russia though would. Any fight with either is just stupid. We walked over Iraq, and afganistan because they didn't have weapon support from russia or China.

      Iran may or may not have nukes. but it's airforce is rusted out f-14's that they don't have the parts to fly.

      Try and take a good tactical look around sometime.

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    11. Re:The Airforce... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      You seriously think that we "walked over Iraq"? Perhaps it escaped your attention but we are still fighting there, and we have not won yet. I suggest you read more newspapers.

    12. Re:The Airforce... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You seriously think that we "walked over Iraq"? Perhaps it escaped your attention but we are still fighting there, and we have not won yet. I suggest you read more newspapers. While I agree with your sentiment, I feel I have to point that we did "win" in Iraq. The regime in Iraq changed. We defeated the Iraqi military. What we're still fighting over there, though, isn't so much as the "enemy" as it is just basically mass chaos, which either U.S. military intelligence either knew or should have known would happen in a country splintered and segregated along ethnic, religious and cultural divisions. After all, isn't that why there's never been any significant time of peace in the nation of Israel since its founding in the first half of the last century? (Not to mention that other people from outside of Iraq are capitalizing on this chaos and taking pot shots at the U.S. military whenever possible.)

      Y'all have to look past the rhetoric coming from both sides of the political aisle and see the situation for what it is: fubar'd.

    13. Re:The Airforce... by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The real question is what is sensitive information like that doing being sent over email without encryption. If they're sending things like flight plans and military tactics via plain email, it should be considered a security breach no matter who the recipient is. Anyone could easily read it on the way between the two servers, it might get forwarded to someone who shouldn't see it, it can be changed by servers en-route or bogus data inserted etc etc. I imagine most security services would find it easy to infiltrate an ISP here and there and watch traffic as it goes through, and no one would be any the wiser.

    14. Re:The Airforce... by 172pilot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How I wish that were true, but you miss a fundamental difference between private industry and the government... When a private company has such efficiency problems, it goes out of business, but when a government agency has trouble, the trouble is presented as "evidence" that "the problem is bigger than we thought" and that more money needs to be allocated to correct the problem. Of course, the fundamental problem which is ignored is the leadership of the organization wasting the money, so the problem never gets fixed, but budgets get bigger and bigger.. At least in the Military's case, their function is one which can be justified by the Constitution - Most of the other government waste is in programs that the government has no right to be spending a dime on in the first place...

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    15. Re:The Airforce... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Very good point.

      I'm just wondering how much of it applies during times of budget contraction, as opposed to the status quo of annual expansion... because we're going to need to shrink the military budget in the next few years... whether it's done via inflation or visible cuts, I'm not sure.

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    16. Re:The Airforce... by richlv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      he should simply autoforward those mails to wikileaks

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    17. Re:The Airforce... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Funny
      the route for Airforce 1

      Are you kidding?

      An attacker who took that turkey down would get a pat on the back and free beers in every bar across the United States. Any sensible enemy of the US will make damn sure that's the last bird still in the air.

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    18. Re:The Airforce... by danskal · · Score: 1

      Errrrm - Al Qaida? Or weren't you born 9-11-2001?

      Apart from that, just about anyone who can control the supply/price of oil.

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    19. Re:The Airforce... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's not only ignorant, it is also blatantly incorrect. Regardless of the feelings for the man in the office, the office itself is symbolic of the United States. Just think of how long we've spent after the destruction of symbols of US capitalism, the World Trade Center Towers. Multiply that by 1000, and you'd have the reaction if someone were to take out the President of the United States.

    20. Re:The Airforce... by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      That's an easy one : China

      How good are the Air force at hitting Suicide bombers, without killing civilians?

      How good are they against submarines

      How good are they against ICBMs

      Go and put the Jingoism away and realise and airforce cannot win any war on their own, and do not even have a role in many battles?

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    21. Re:The Airforce... by siliconspirits · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Like the reaction and 'intense' investigation that took place after JFK was assassinated?

      No one even crashed a plane into a building with that, or shot down a plane...they just brought a rifle to a political event, aimed and fired. I think many Americans would be happy to watch him die, as a clear enough separation has been made between his personal incredible stupidity and the honor and distinction of the office itself during his terms in office.

      I personally, think that no one should 'die' for their stupidity, the loss of human life regardless of it's intelligence (or lack thereof) is bad, but when you're in a position like that of the President of The United States of America...there is a level of accountability that should be enforced both during, and after your time in office. Legislation is deliberately being delayed when it comes to keeping up with the developments of investigative techniques involving IT and politics.

    22. Re:The Airforce... by gedeco · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it was a channel for desinformation? Maybe they knew, someone else was also reading this mails?

    23. Re:The Airforce... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2, Funny

      The real question is what is sensitive information like that doing being sent over email without encryption.

      You only need to send stuff encrypted if you have something to hide ... oh, wait, heck, idiots.

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    24. Re:The Airforce... by i_ate_god · · Score: 2, Insightful

      UK: "Hi arabs, we need your help!"
      Arabs: "Hmm? What for?"
      UK: "Well, you don't like those greedy turks running your land do you..."
      Arabs: "Hmm.... no. No, no we don't."
      UK: "Ok, listen up. We can help each other. You help us overthrow this empire, and you can have your land back, since all we care about are the germans really!!"
      Arabs: "Wow, really?"
      UK: "PROMISE!"
      Arabs: "OK!"

      -- Ottoman falls, Britain takes what it wants in the middle east, negotiates with France for the rest --

      UK: "SURPRISE! ISRAEL!"
      Jews: "pwn3d"
      Arabs: "WTF!?!?"

      I think the scenario is more of a territorial dispute with religious/cultural differences as the accenting side dish.

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    25. Re:The Airforce... by operagost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it's sad that so many people are driven by hatred.

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    26. Re:The Airforce... by innerweb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      .there is a level of accountability that should be enforced both during, and after your time in office

      Yeah - nothing against you, but come on. Bill Clinton got caught with an extra-marital affair, and was put up for impeachment for lying under oath about it. The current president lied, manipulated people in positions of authority and created an environment where his business allies could earn billions off of the war and he is not even being investigated. *accountability* Give me a break. Pres Bush Jr is the one who finally showed me the futile light of our current governmental/business systems.

      The current president has done more damage to our future than any other force, person or organization in the US's history. There really is a price to pay for the incredible amount of debt we have and the debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan. It creates instability in the regions, the world, the markets and it weakens our governments ability to deal with a real crisis when it occurs (and they do occur). Saddam was evil, but not a crisis and through GW's actions, we have given fundamentalism another strong foothold in the Middle East. We can not afford (financially) to stick around long enough in Iraq to fix the problems that are there now.

      He has made thousands of people incredibly wealthy (not just wealthy) with his politics. If there has been a President in history who needs to be investigated for the well being of our national future, if not only for the strong potential for serious criminal conduct, it is President Bush Jr.

      Accountability is only possible with transparency and memory. People have to be able to see and then want to remember what they have seen. As we have neither in sufficient quantity, we do not have accountability. I think Bush will walk away from this a wealthy man with no fear of being prosecuted for what he has done.

      InnerWeb

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    27. Re:The Airforce... by Ykant · · Score: 1

      We're talking about America, yes?

      I'm sorry, you must be new here.

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    28. Re:The Airforce... by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Informative

      it is just basically mass chaos, which either U.S. military intelligence either knew or should have known would happen in a country splintered and segregated along ethnic, religious and cultural divisions. Now now, NO ONE could have known it would turn into a quagmire.
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    29. Re:The Airforce... by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      I think it's sad that so many people are driven by hatred. So many that they elected one of them as president.
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    30. Re:The Airforce... by Znork · · Score: 1

      Or, considering it was a .com domain, sold them.

      He could have started his own 'defense intelligence newsletter', 'providing insights into military matters', and charged a hefty subscription fee. Capitalizing on mistakes by US military personnel would put him in the company of the best (or most) defense contractors.

    31. Re:The Airforce... by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Vietnam and North Korea had weapons support from china. iran and North Korea wouldn't last three months on their own. Palenstine can't keep isreal out, let alone anyone else. I think you mean Pakistan. Pakistan would fight bravely and even win a few battles but would be overcome.

      China,India, and Russia though would. Any fight with either is just stupid. We walked over Iraq, and afganistan because they didn't have weapon support from russia or China. Actualyy, I think you couldn't even attack Iran right now, because you wasted all the high-tech weapons in Afghanistan and Iraq. How many Tomahawks does the US have left?
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    32. Re:The Airforce... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think it's sadder that so many are driven by blind obedience, stubbornness, and willful ignorance.

    33. Re:The Airforce... by lawn.ninja · · Score: 1

      I wonder if he wants to sell me the rights to the domain. I wouldn't mind getting some eamisl from the air force, I get lonely sometimes.

    34. Re:The Airforce... by geekboy642 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I would celebrate. That child in a grown man's body has done more to destroy this country than a million "nucular"-armed "terrorists" parachuting all over the US could ever hope to do. Did you hear me? I would fucking raise a toast. I would shoot off fireworks. It would be a second god-damned independence day.

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    35. Re:The Airforce... by rkanodia · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just think of how long we've spent after the destruction of symbols of US capitalism, the World Trade Center Towers. Multiply that by 1000, and you'd have

      'Jesus, that's...'
      'Yes. Nine hundred and eleven thousand.'

    36. Re:The Airforce... by ndg123 · · Score: 1

      I imagine most security services would find it easy to infiltrate an ISP here and there and watch traffic as it goes through, and no one would be any the wiser.
      Isn't that exactly what the security services are doing at the moment ? In the USA and in the UK at least.
    37. Re:The Airforce... by xx_chris · · Score: 1
      How I wish that were true, but you miss a fundamental difference between economic theory and the reality.

      In a theoretical Econ 101 world, a company makes a widget and finds a customer willing to pay for it. If the negotiated price is greater than the manufacturing cost, the company makes money. If it isn't or if the customer fails to appreciate the utility, then there is no sale. No sale, and before long no company.

      In the real world, an established company can resort to rent seeking. Rent seeking occurs when an individual, organization or firm seeks to make money by manipulating the economic and/or legal environment rather than by trade and production of wealth. Lobbying (protected by the right to petition) is the classic example. Eisenhower (that lunatic liberal) was talking about rent seeking when he warned of the dangers attached to the military industrial complex.

      Homework assignment:

      Did Sioux Manufacturing resort to rent seeking in order to win a new armor contract after producing sub-standard helmets?

    38. Re:The Airforce... by Workaphobia · · Score: 1

      Email? Confidential? Isn't that an oxymoron without some form of encryption?

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    39. Re:The Airforce... by peragrin · · Score: 1

      10,20 thousand, maybe more.

      You see wars only cost money two ways. to pay for the troops, and to replace what you already pay for and used up. Missiles guns, bullets, etc fall into the last category. The USA stocked up for the cold war. Russian supplies got stolen and thinned out by arms dealers selling to countries around the world.

      the USA kept their cold war stock pile.

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    40. Re:The Airforce... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      That's an accurate description of the history of the general political unrest in the Middle East that has been occurring since the end of World War II. My comments were more centralized around current events in a particular region.

    41. Re:The Airforce... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I agree with your sentiment, I feel I have to point that we did "win" in Iraq. Yep you stopped those weapons of mass destruction being imminently launched against the United states thus justifying the invasion of a sovereign state.

      And of course, established huge, permanent bases on top of the worlds 2nd largest reserve of oil, to go along with the other huge permanent bases on the largest reserve of oil, Saudi Arabia.

      Or was it to bring democracy? Oh wait, Saudi is not a democracy....
    42. Re:The Airforce... by operagost · · Score: 1

      ... because those are so much worse than hatred. Was your comment supposed to relevant to something in this discussion?

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    43. Re:The Airforce... by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      10,20 thousand, maybe more.

      You see wars only cost money two ways. to pay for the troops, and to replace what you already pay for and used up. Missiles guns, bullets, etc fall into the last category. The USA stocked up for the cold war. Russian supplies got stolen and thinned out by arms dealers selling to countries around the world.

      the USA kept their cold war stock pile. Weapons don't last forever. And the Cold War stockpile was mostly nuclear - that's why it stayed cold. As for your estimate on Tomahawks: Total Program 4 170 missiles ($11,210,000,000 - total program cost (TY$)). And that page hasn't been updated since at least 2000. At least replacing them is cheap - $500,000 current production Unit Cost.
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    44. Re:The Airforce... by Uzuri · · Score: 1

      I read that as "a pat on the back and free bears".

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  2. more sites by Goffee71 · · Score: 2, Funny

    quickly signs up for:

    colonelblimp@area51.com
    thechief@whitehouse.gov
    maninred_onthegate@certaindeath.com
    admin@guam.com
    fatgord@no10.co.uk
    binladen@caves_r_us.pak
    just to see what comes my way

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    1. Re:more sites by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Hmmmm...I wonder how much the domain squatter wants for 'pentagon.com'.

    2. Re:more sites by groovelator · · Score: 1

      Hey, maybe www.mildenhill.com is worth a roll of the dice too :)

  3. Quick fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Why didn't somebody just buy his domain off him, let him keep the website, and route the email to a bit shredder for all but the admin addresses, like "webmaster"?

    1. Re:Quick fix by WK2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes. Or, they could not send sensitive information via email.

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  4. Wait a minute. by Jikrschbaum · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Isn't the Airforce the branch that has been tasked with Cyberspace security? Some kind of Cyber Command? Military Intelligence at its highest magnitude.

    1. Re:Wait a minute. by Kiuas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Military Intelligence at its highest magnitude.


      "The military intelligence
      Two words combined that can't make sense"
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    2. Re:Wait a minute. by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      They would like to have that role. But if this is how they handle security...heh...

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    3. Re:Wait a minute. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      I wonder how long until such slopiness gets them known as the U.S. Error Farce?

    4. Re:Wait a minute. by dcollins · · Score: 2, Funny

      Have you seen the new recruiting ads on TV that are precisely that, some guy at a screen in a bunker protecting the Pentagon from "3 million intrusion attempts a day?"

      Tag line is now "Air - Space - Cyberspace".

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    5. Re:Wait a minute. by PDX · · Score: 1

      FUBAR

  5. Send in the B2's by DeeVeeAnt · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's the only way to neutralise the tourist threat!

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    1. Re:Send in the B2's by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      Hilarious!

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    2. Re:Send in the B2's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always called them tourorists. Slowing down traffic, driving erratically while reading maps, running all over our National Parks (heck even our wineries here in California), clogging our beaches and freeways - yup, tourorists, the pack of 'em.

    3. Re:Send in the B2's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  6. Conspiracy! by neokushan · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's almost as if they WANT someone to kill the president....

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    1. Re:Conspiracy! by oliverthered · · Score: 2, Funny

      who doesn't

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    2. Re:Conspiracy! by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't. Killing people turns them in to martyrs.

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    3. Re:Conspiracy! by schon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I most certainly don't. Unless they can take out Cheney at the same time.

      You know why the democrats haven't had Bush impeached? Because they'd rather have him than President Evil.

    4. Re:Conspiracy! by peragrin · · Score: 1

      That's right Cheney and bush should go out Duck hunting together some time.

      We get rid of them both.

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    5. Re:Conspiracy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pack lots of yummy pretzels for 'em...

    6. Re:Conspiracy! by zbuffered · · Score: 1

      I don't either. Bush was smart when he picked Cheney as his VP. That's the best reason I can think of for Obama to pick Hillary.

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    7. Re:Conspiracy! by StarfishOne · · Score: 1

      Good idea! The Nintendo NES will keep them busy for a while.... so does fighting over who gets to use the light gun controller the next time! ;D

    8. Re:Conspiracy! by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Killing people turns them in to martyrs.

      Yeah, three cheers for Mussolini! Hip hip...
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  7. USAF 1, british civilians 0 by Chief+Camel+Breeder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I see from TFA that the owner finally took his site off-line because of the problem. So the USAF probably considers the problem solved. Another triumph for American diplomacy.

    1. Re:USAF 1, british civilians 0 by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 1

      US Air Force. Don't be fooled by the bbc domain :)

    2. Re:USAF 1, british civilians 0 by xrayspx · · Score: 1

      And the website and air base are in Suffolk in the UK, don't be fooled by the .com TLD :-)

    3. Re:USAF 1, british civilians 0 by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter. GP point remains. There is no way a USAF base would/should have a non .mil or .gov address.
      -nB

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  8. Stable doors by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It was only after sensitive information had leaked that anything was done about it.

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    1. Re:Stable doors by WK2 · · Score: 1

      To be fair, according to the summary the Air Force never closed the stable doors. Perhaps they were thinking, "Oh well. What's done is done." The thing is, they really should stop sending sensitive information via email in order to lessen future threats.

      On the other hand, this will make it easier to kill the president.

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  9. Taking bets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mr Sinnott has now decided to take his website down to avoid getting these messages.

    Now taking bets on which intelligence agency or terrorist organization will be the first to snap up the domain once it becomes available.

    1. Re:Taking bets by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 1

      Now taking bets on which intelligence agency or terrorist organization will be the first to snap up the domain once it becomes available. How can you tell the difference between the two?
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    2. Re:Taking bets by IBBoard · · Score: 1

      One has intelligence, the other just collects it from other people ;)

    3. Re:Taking bets by CompMD · · Score: 1

      What? That would never happen. I like the new owners of the domain, they have better tourism options. Canary Island Adventures looks to be who I'll book my next vacation with!

  10. The Cheney Effect by TheSixth1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Vice president accidentally shoots a man in the face, and it's the mans fault for getting in the way of the buckshot. The Air Force emails sensitive information to a website owner, and it's the site owner's fault for receiving it.

    The Cheney Effect is spreading!

    1. Re:The Cheney Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


      I suspect it was birdshot rather than buckshot.

      If the latter, the poor dude wouldn't have had any face left, and Cheney might well have been sent down for manslaughter.....

      I'll leave drawing any conclusions as to if this would have been a *very* good thing as an excercise for the reader :-)

    2. Re:The Cheney Effect by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Just as it was the fault of that lighthouse getting in the way of that battleship.

    3. Re:The Cheney Effect by hansamurai · · Score: 1

      There was that one time I was the cameraman shooting a "video" and I got "shot at". Certainly didn't call that the Cheney effect then.

    4. Re:The Cheney Effect by ptbarnett · · Score: 1

      I suspect it was birdshot rather than buckshot.

      It was. Probably #8. They were quail hunting in South Texas.

      Everyone likes to make jokes about this unfortunate situation. But, unless you've been quail hunting and know what every person has to do to hunt safely, it's just a joke that depends on the listener being just as ignorant.

    5. Re:The Cheney Effect by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      I suspect it was birdshot rather than buckshot.

      It was. Probably #8. They were quail hunting in South Texas.

      Everyone likes to make jokes about this unfortunate situation. But, unless you've been quail hunting and know what every person has to do to hunt safely, it's just a joke that depends on the listener being just as ignorant.
      You mean things like "stay sober when shooting?"
    6. Re:The Cheney Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I (used to) hunt quite a bit, including quail hunting.

      yes, the Other Guy may have screwed up and, say, been ahead of the primary group of hunters, where he shouldn't have been.

      However, any hunter worth his salt knows that you're supposed to be aware of what's beyond your target before firing. Any hunter worth his salt passes up shots if he's not sure. Any hunter who doesn't do this shouldn't be carrying a weapon and should be relegated to beating the brush and fetching me hot coffee from the truck.

      Perhaps I'm overanalyzing, but I think the whole incident symbolizes Cheney's personal act-first-think-later philosophy.

    7. Re:The Cheney Effect by ptbarnett · · Score: 1

      yes, the Other Guy may have screwed up and, say, been ahead of the primary group of hunters, where he shouldn't have been.

      I'm not willing to say that the "Other Guy" screwed up, but anyone that tries to assign blame without understanding the circumstances is engaging in political demogaugery.

      As you know, bird hunting is a unique situation. It's not a stationary target, and quail in particular can flush in any direction. That's why it's important to know where everyone is around you, and it's a shared responsibility.

      I've been struck by stray pellets on a few occasions, and countless times by copper jackets bouncing off steel targets. That's why eye protection is mandatory. But, I don't blame anyone -- it's a known risk I choose to accept.

    8. Re:The Cheney Effect by ptbarnett · · Score: 1

      You mean things like "stay sober when shooting?"

      Cheney acknowledged drinking one beer at lunch, before starting the hunt at 3:00 PM. The accident occurred about 5:50 PM:

      http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/15/cheney/index.html

      I don't condone drinking before handling a gun, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to accuse Cheney of being intoxicated. Law enforcement agreed:

      The Kenedy County Sheriff's Department, which interviewed Cheney about the accident Sunday morning, concluded there was "no alcohol or misconduct involved in the incident."

    9. Re:The Cheney Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The incident happened at 5:50 PM Saturday evening. The police didn't interview him until Sunday morning and you blindly accept their claim that no alcohol was involved?

    10. Re:The Cheney Effect by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      You mean things like "stay sober when shooting?"

      Cheney acknowledged drinking one beer at lunch, before starting the hunt at 3:00 PM. The accident occurred about 5:50 PM:

      http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/15/cheney/index.html

      Yeah, from what I understand, a lot of folks will "acknowledge" drinking one beer at lunch when they are pressed about their alcohol use after an accident (including hunting accidents).

      I don't condone drinking before handling a gun, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to accuse Cheney of being intoxicated. Law enforcement agreed:

      The Kenedy County Sheriff's Department, which interviewed Cheney about the accident Sunday morning, concluded there was "no alcohol or misconduct involved in the incident."

      after the shooting at 5:30 pm on Saturday. Yeah, always believe everything people tell the police, especially if they are powerful and the only evidence that could possibly be found against them would depend upon the word of their good shooting buddies.

  11. OPSEC and COMSEC by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This from the mighty mighty Air Force which banned blogs, which accidentally flew nukes cross-country, which wants to start a "Cyber-Command." Not trying to flame, but why do they insult their own intelligence by banning the viewing of blogs while allowing this sort of crap to happen?

    1. Re:OPSEC and COMSEC by qoncept · · Score: 2, Informative

      They blocked access from military computers. You can read what the slut next door is doing from home, but at work you're supposed to work. If they blocked something useful, you say "hey, I need to read this web page" and they unblock that one. Smart Filter can be funny though. They blocked wikipedia. Category? "Education/Reference"

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  12. E-mail is a postcard by mdmkolbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the Air Force is sending that info over unencrypted e-mail, they have bigger problems than just the e-mail going to the wrong domain.

    This kind of makes me suspicious that he article might just be hyperbole.

    1. Re:E-mail is a postcard by Atreide · · Score: 1

      Send in Jack Bauer, he will find the terrorist who craked the encryption.

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    2. Re:E-mail is a postcard by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      One has to wonder about that...

      However, having said this, it's not the first time someone screwed up bigtime on a DoD system.

      We've had other sloppiness come to light from some of the Titan Rain hack announcements-
      basically, we've had a bit of low-grade (thankfully) leakage of things that are not classified
      but not for general public consumption, stuff classified Confidential and Secret out of
      boxes that should NEVER have had the information on them in the first place as they weren't
      trusted systems.

      As it stands, I am not sure what to think of the article. It's the BEEB so it's less likely
      to sweep something like that under the rug. But it's also the BEEB, so they may be playing it
      up a bit larger than it actually is for varying reasons.

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    3. Re:E-mail is a postcard by Twisted+Willie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Mod parent up.

      If flight plans of Air Force One are being sent over a public network in plaintext, it doesn't matter in whose mailbox they end up really.

    4. Re:E-mail is a postcard by ironwill96 · · Score: 1

      I also was thinking about that too! If they are so dumb as to think sending an e-mail out constitutes private communication as it passes across who knows how many servers that can all make copies of it on the way there, we're screwed. I would think things like Air Force One flight plans and confidential information should be sent through encrypted satellite connections run by the government or for really sensitive items carried in person via diplomatic couriers.

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    5. Re:E-mail is a postcard by SleepingWaterBear · · Score: 1

      I have to agree here. The airforce must have a policy of encrypting any confidential e-mail. The fact that some guy with a website was getting e-mails meant for the airbase is completely irrelevant to security, and the airforce was entirely right to ignore the problem. For e-mail you have to assume that your messages can be intercepted in any case when you're dealing with security - encryption is the only reasonable solution. Now, if someone in the airforce is sending e-mails with important information without using encryption, that is a security breach, but TFA doesn't seem to have any idea what encryption is.

      If I had to guess, I would say that this is some overzealous reporter with no understanding of computer security making a big deal out of nothing. That, or a single individual in the airforce has made a serious mistake by not encrypting his e-mail, and he's going to be in a lot of trouble. If the later is the case, the fact that this random guy was receiving misdirected e-mail is actually a boon to security, since it has helped to identify a breach which might otherwise have gone unnoticed.

    6. Re:E-mail is a postcard by seventhc · · Score: 0

      This kind of makes me suspicious that he article might just be hyperbole.

      Perhaps cyberbole is more fitting.
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    7. Re:E-mail is a postcard by Ozeroc · · Score: 1

      Mod parent Insightful! There are idiots who don't think before they hit 'send'. If the data sent was truly classified then they need a trip to Leavenworth. Oz

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    8. Re:E-mail is a postcard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if only the Air Force, or armed forces in general, had a special encrypted network that they could use to email sensitive information instead. Call it a Secure Internet Protocol Router Network maybe - a SIPRNet.

      If actual classified information is being sent to the public Internet at all, the Air Force has a much bigger problem than email being sent to the wrong domain. It isn't just the wrong domain, it's the wrong network.

      Classified information should never be on Internet connected computers in the first place.

      If true, there's a serious problem within the Air Force, and it has nothing to do with misconfigured systems, it has to do with some idiot using the wrong computer.

  13. They were probably coked up. by Lord+Haw+Haw · · Score: 1

    As reported here, American airmen at the Mildenhall base have been caught on camera snorting drugs!

    1. Re:They were probably coked up. by Thwomp · · Score: 1

      Well at least they're not throwing puppies off of cliffs.

    2. Re:They were probably coked up. by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 1

      If there's now a cliff at Mildenhall something very, very unfortunate has happened at the base there.

  14. Hmm by rolfc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder if taking down the website will stop the emails from coming?

    Nope, I dont think so.

    1. Re:Hmm by gsslay · · Score: 4, Funny

      It'll remove that cunning "click here to submit US Airforce secrets" link from his homepage.

    2. Re:Hmm by Infoport · · Score: 1

      In related news, the domain of mildenhall.com will now be available for purchase again.
      Bidding starts of $5 million...

    3. Re:Hmm by jrumney · · Score: 1

      In related news, the domain of mildenhall.com will now be available for purchase again. Bidding starts of $5 million...

      Sold to a Mr O. Bin Laden, address unknown.

  15. This Is What Happens by aquatone282 · · Score: 0, Troll

    . . . when you make titless WAFs into Windows admins.

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  16. preemptive move by Atreide · · Score: 3, Insightful

    'block unrecognizable addresses from his domain'

    isn't it more effective if air force domain names are removed from world wide dns ?

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    1. Re:preemptive move by will_die · · Score: 1

      It wasn't the domain name it was the 'To' email address. The owner of mildenhall.com had it setup so all email address went to a single, or a couple, email boxes so send email to Iknowthisisanonusedemailaddress@mildenhall.com would be received by the owner.
      The air force solution was to block all but the email addresses the owner of the site knew were valid and being using on the site.

    2. Re:preemptive move by the_wesman · · Score: 1

      would that help here? if I'm captainairforce@airforce.gov and I send an e-mail to joecivilian@hishouse.org, hishouse.org is in the public DNS, so my e-mail still gets to him, no?

      your solution would only stop people from sending mails _to_ the air force, no?

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  17. Re:All well and good... by numbski · · Score: 1

    Stargate geek.

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  18. Al Gore by ZuluZero · · Score: 0

    They forgot to blame Al Gore for inventing it. Quick, somebody throw them a link to PGP.

  19. "Advised"? by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    How you tell them also matters... what if the messages were more or less like:

    Tourism site: All your air bases are belong to us
    USAF: Measure 1
    Tourism site: All your air bases are still belong to us
    USAF: Measure 2

    Is so outrageos this way.

  20. I have call this one BS by Perl-Pusher · · Score: 5, Informative

    I spent 20 years in the Air Force. All DOD domains end in .mil not .com. We only have this persons word, didn't see one example. Flight plans via email. Crap! the DOD uses a device called KG-58 its an encryption device. The key is sent via courier every month. That is the only approved way to send any sensitive information.

    "It had the notice 'Destroy by any means to prevent capture'," Right, that's absolute crap. One that is not the correct wording. Two its an electronic message, its on your hard drive. Did his computer explode after reading it? I'm sure there are idiots who sent things to his domain. But these just could not be official communications. There are way too many safeguards in place.

    People from government ministry of finance offices in African Nations are always send me stuff too.

    Lets see some real proof!

    1. Re:I have call this one BS by DragonFodder · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree completely with you, wish I had mod points to give you.

      and unless things have changed drastically in the years since I left the Air Force, all secure communications go across a dedicated network, in most cases that being a dedicate point to point comm line. Nothing of any official sensitive nature would go out on the civilian internet.

      If this proves true, on the data, then there is someone looking for a courts martial offense in mis handling secret and above information.

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    2. Re:I have call this one BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lets see some real proof!

      Yeah! He should publish these airforce one flight plans publicly so everyone can see he's not lying!

      Then he should run real fast before someone nukes him for being a terrorist!

    3. Re:I have call this one BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just a side note: They use electronic key renewal systems with the newer KG-84, KG-175 TacLane and Mini-Tac systems...these don't necessarily need to be retrieved by courier (unless a key expires, or is removed from the device).

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KG-84 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TACLANE

      Also: VIP flights paths, briefs, etc. are never conducted on an unclassified network unless someone wants busted in a big way.

    4. Re:I have call this one BS by EdIII · · Score: 1

      I was thinking it was BS. I have read an awful lot about the systems that the government is purported to be using.

      It is so improbable that the information was even on systems that are connected to the public internet. Last time I checked, there was something called the IntelLink networks.

      I know that there are a lot of security breaches, and I am not saying it does not happen, but there are secure networks in place for this type of communication to go across. The Air Force and other agencies have some presence in the public internet, but it is limited, and certainly not the full extent of their networks.

      The event in the article is already stretching my ability to believe it. The reaction just makes it unreal. I cannot imagine the Air Force ever reacting is such a retarded, short sighted, technically ignorant fashion.

    5. Re:I have call this one BS by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      It is so improbable that the information was even on systems that are connected to the public internet. Last time I checked, there was something called the IntelLink networks

      The secure network is known as the SIPRNET
    6. Re:I have call this one BS by Asklepius+M.D. · · Score: 5, Interesting

      First - the KY-58 (the KGs are a different series such as the 84, 94, and 194) is designed to encrypt radio traffic, not network data. Second, security standards HAVE changed drastically. The AF combined small computer networking (2E2) with crypto maintenance (2E3) some time ago with only limited retraining in infosec. Email is used and abused to a huge extent in the military while good crypto is too often seen as an annoyance - even for critical systems. Many of the old safeguards are gone as part of efforts to cut costs and manpower. Most of the REALLY important stuff is still adequately protected, but coming from an AF IT background, I would argue that this story is more than plausible. No matter how much we want them to be otherwise, the AF really is just another large bureaucracy with a small percentage of highly competent people who somehow make things function in a crisis despite the efforts of the majority.

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    7. Re:I have call this one BS by guisar · · Score: 1

      So www.airforce.com is not a DoD site? (I was in the Air Force for 23 years) No kidding the USAF domain is .af.mil so what- it's the Air Force that addressed the email not mildenhall.com domain owner. There's lots of good IT support in the USAF and some dopes- like everywhere. I really doubt these emails were sent by IT personnel- more likely ops and public affairs neither of which are known for their inquisitive nature, careful planning or follow-up- not to mention tech savvy. Mistakes are made sure but not following up immediately and politely to a concerned citizen strikes me as a symptom of not paying attention to details and simultaneously being incredibly arrogant.

      As far as encryption devices- dude, we are talking emails here. They are protected, if at all through a PKI certificate issued by HPD-12 compliant CAC cards. KG-58s are for comm, not email. Flight plans by the way are regularly sent over email- we have to communicate with the Civil Air Authorities after all in order to use their air space- we don't own the world. Keys are also distributed electronically now- welcome to the 90s.

    8. Re:I have call this one BS by stonewolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I own pendleton.com so any one who want to know who "stonewolf" is can now look me up :-) Pendleton.com is just to much like Pendleton.usmc.mil the domain for Camp Pendleton, the marine corp base.

      When I fist got the domain I had all email to invalid addresses forwarded to my mail box. I quickly found that I was getting the orders of the day for Pendleton Marine Corp base. I replied to the email and was immediately removed from the list. Over the years I got all sorts of official and private email sent to and from the base. But, as far as I can tell *none of it was classified*. Any time I replied and pointed out the problem I got a swift apology and never got an email from that source again. The most fun I had with it was when I accidentally got on a mailing list for retired SIGINT officers. Talk about a great group of highly intelligent and creative people! I am so glad they are our side.

      I figured out the the rewriting rules used by a lot of email systems would generate pendleton.com from many misspellings of pendleton.usmc.mil and there was nothing I could do about the problem. So, at first I lived with it.

      I finally set up my mail to bounce invalid addresses. I did it because email was becoming more popular I started getting a lot of very private communications meant for Marines and I didn't feel right about invading peoples privacy that way. I have always had a deep respect for the US military and the Marine in particular.

      I have to say that the US military can misaddress email as easily as anyone else. So, I believe that part of the story. But, I never saw anything that was even vaguely sensitive (even the SIGINT guys didn't talk about anything sensitive) in the several years I was getting email from the base. I do not believe that part of the story. The Marines were always courteous and on the ball. The kind of people where you can believe that if you looked on heavens scenes, you would find the streets are guarded by United States Marines.

      Stonewolf

    9. Re:I have call this one BS by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1
      I agree that real, complete documents like what you are describing are not likely to be in those emails.

      However, things like an email from a spouse that put .com instead of .mil on the following I CAN SEE:

      To:spouse@airfarce.com

      Honey, I know that you said Airforce One will be there all afternoon, but do you think I can still meet you for lunch?

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    10. Re:I have call this one BS by mu51c10rd · · Score: 1

      Well said. My time in the USAF recalls 1A*** aviators sending sensitive information from blackberries while on the flightline...completely in the clear. Just because SIPR and JWICS exist, does not mean that everyone uses them when they should. Human error is tough to guard against.

    11. Re:I have call this one BS by ptbarnett · · Score: 1
      I had the same problem when I used a catch-all address for my domain. However, what I usually received were email intended for mydomain.org.fr or mydomain.org.br. Since I don't speak Portuguese or French, I was never able to convince the senders of the error (it just continued).

      I finally got rid of the catchall address after being blasted with "your message was rejected because we think it's spam". Some asshat spammer sent out a bunch of messages that were addressed From: random addresses in my domain.

      I still give different email addresses to businesses, but I add them to an alias file and reload Postfix each time. However, I will note that it's been a long time since I've caught one of them giving my email address to spammers and had to revoke the address.

    12. Re:I have call this one BS by Rudolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All DOD domains end in .mil not .com.

      What's this then?
      http://www.airforce.com/

      Looks real to me - is it fake?

    13. Re:I have call this one BS by mojoNYC · · Score: 1

      You may well be right, however, your certainty may be misplaced--after all, there are many safeguards in place to prevent 'losing' nukes, yet that's exactly what happened last summer at Minot AF base...

    14. Re:I have call this one BS by Perl-Pusher · · Score: 1

      Your right, the device was a probably a KY-58 but it looked exactly the same as the KG in the aircraft. I did my first 10 years in avionics.The last 8 was doing maintenance on the Contingency Airborne Reconnaissance System Through that device we sent messages and looked at classified pages while deployed. Computer security for your basic office computer used to be abysmal. The average 2E2 had no real computer security training other than the completely obvious.

      www.airforce.com is a PR site. Ever see any bases or email addresses with a .com? The airforce uses .af.mil even public affairs would know that.

      Flight plans for a presidential visit would not be sent via email. Its funny,but you read what some dork tells you and its instantly 'true'. But when Master Sergeant Charles Tubbs, chief of media relations at RAF Mildenhall, said: "There has not been any verified security breach that warrants any action." you ignore it. I'm sorry, but in PR speak what he got was: "We checked it out there wasn't a security breach. We can't stop everyone from sending you something." Then he was told by the comm sq "Here are some things you can do to help." I'm sure he got personnel information, spam and people asking for information. What I find hard to believe is anything that is 'classified' or 'sensitive' reached him.

      The USAF started tightening its security when I was in. They had come to realize how much information could be pieced together from various sources each part harmless but together they were harmful. This is a problem in any large organization. They hadn't yet thought about blogs. Where dumb asses are willing tell you anything you want to know. I have worked in the corporate world now for 9 years, the air force even then was far more security aware than some of the Bozo's I've met.

    15. Re:I have call this one BS by g0rAngA · · Score: 1

      Is it not possible that this organisation was meant to receive an email that basically said "Don't fly here on this day like you normally do"?
      Obviously, such an email would not need to be encrypted, and its not too big a stretch to imagine someone typing the wrong email address on the wrong email.

    16. Re:I have call this one BS by Perl-Pusher · · Score: 1

      But, as far as I can tell *none of it was classified*.

      That's what I was trying to convey. I have no doubt he got mail, lots of it. I also noticed no actual follow up from the reporter, none. I also have no doubt some of it 'looked official' its just that sending sensitive information via email can get you jail time. There are systems in place for classified and sensitive information. The invention of the computer didn't replace secure information practices. The worst problem the military has is blogs. People will post things that try speak around something classified. Single posts are usually harmless but after many posts in one place ,the bigger picture emerges.

    17. Re:I have call this one BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The owner of airforce.com is "TribalDDB Worldwide, 1999 Bryan St Ste 2400, Dallas TX". Does that sound official?

      There's a US Department of Defense - Sites page with an "Air Force" link. It points to www.af.mil.

    18. Re:I have call this one BS by lazy_nihilist · · Score: 1

      The kind of people where you can believe that if you looked on heavens scenes, you would find the streets are guarded by United States Marines.
      Mmmm... my idea of heaven too.... being guarded by United States Marines.
    19. Re:I have call this one BS by stonewolf · · Score: 1

      Good line. So... did you get the reference, are you showing you patriotism, are you being sarcastic, are you coming out of closet on slashdot, or none of the above?

      stonewolf

    20. Re:I have call this one BS by Askmum · · Score: 1

      The Marines were always courteous and on the ball.
      Even when they throw puppies in a ravine.

      I can agree completely with your post except for your last two sentences. Sorry, but they are mere human soldiers and thus will not, ever, guard Heavens scenes. No matter how much they sing about themselves that they will.
    21. Re:I have call this one BS by stonewolf · · Score: 1


      Can I assume from what you just said that you believe in God and Heaven? If so, where do you get off telling God who is a suitable guard and who is not? What can I say, religious discussions always seem to wind up with some jackass trying to tell me what an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being can or can not do, will or will not do... The arrogance of those who believe they know the absolute will of God astonishes me no end.

      ROFLMAO

      Stonewolf

    22. Re:I have call this one BS by Askmum · · Score: 1

      I don't but America apparently does. When in Rome...

      But it is just that arrogance that I'm trying to address.

  21. Re:The Airforce and no IS Security by callistra.moonshadow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think that this may have to do with bravado, but more likely it has to do with plain old ignorance. I seriously doubt the Airforce has good IT personnel. Maybe I'm being an IT snob, but from what I've heard from family members that work in government and other civil service (one is pretty highly ranked) is that (as we all know) woefully behind the times. I suspect that an email about data being sent to a public URL may have been seen as cryptic to whatever administrator ended up with the information. On a different thread I was talking about identify theft and how the government is one of the largest areas where proprietary data is stolen from. I think that it's just another symptom of a much more systemic problem within government agencies in the US.

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  22. Re:The Airforce and no IS Security by yuna49 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was bothered by the Air Force's casual response to this problem as well. Not to mention their mistreatment of the domain owner, telling him to rewrite his 550 SMTP reply to inform senders of the base's domain. Why didn't a "Communications Squadron" offer to work with the domain owner to resolve these problems? The fact that the USAF shrugged off this rather simple problem onto the domain owner tends to confirm your suspicions about the quality of their IT services.

  23. Shut down his domain! by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    It's the only way to be sure!

    (Wait, technically, that *would* be effective in this case. Reprehensible, but effective.)

  24. Bin Ladin / Al Quiada plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Find out *.mil domains being used.

    Register the *.com domain names.

    Wait for email...

    Profit!!!

    Many Thanks go to Microsoft's "auto-complete" mail feature.

    Bin L.

    1. Re:Bin Ladin / Al Quiada plan by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Good job. If they weren't doing that before they will be now.

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  25. BBC... by mathimus1863 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I love how I have to read other country's news reports to find out what's going on in my own country...

    1. Re:BBC... by soliptic · · Score: 1

      I love how I have to read other country's news reports to find out what's going on in my own country... This was going on in the same country as the news agency. This isn't the BBC reporting on events in America, it's the BBC reporting on events in Suffolk.
    2. Re:BBC... by soliptic · · Score: 1

      Sorry to reply to myself, I got distracted by actual real work (good grief!) and submitted by mistake without saying the actual point.

      That is, although Mildenhall is in the UK, I think strictly speaking you may still be correct, as USAF Mildenhall may be technically considered US soil. I don't remember the details of international agreements on this (I'm sure Wikipedia will give you a start, if you really care), but I know my band were hired to play a gig there about 10 years back, and entering the base really feels like crossing a border! You have to change all your currency to USD, drive on the right, etc.

    3. Re:BBC... by augustw · · Score: 1

      Although, officially, it's RAF Mildenhall, and not USAF Mildenhall. And no, it's not officially US soil (only embassies get that privilege), although, de facto, it is treated as such. And I've never had to change my Sterling to US$ when entering at O'Hare, or LAX...

    4. Re:BBC... by evilviper · · Score: 1

      I love how I have to read other country's news reports to find out what's going on in my own country...

      That's patently idiotic.

      First of all, the incident happened in the UK, and the webmaster in question drawing attention to it is a UK citizen. As such it is perfectly reasonable that the BBC would get the first crack at it.

      Second, you don't HAVE TO read the BBC to get this news, that just HAPPENS to be the link the submitter decided to include...

      You can read it from US news sources here:

      http://blogs.computerworld.com/usaf_email_security_snafu_in_uk_and_no_shorts_ar

      http://blogs.wsj.com/biztech/2008/03/04/the-air-forces-email-debacle/?mod=googlenews_wsj

      http://news.digitaltrends.com/news/story/15947/mildenhall_mix_up

      http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=60003&archive=true

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  26. New way to leak classified "news" by failedlogic · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dear Media Agency,

    It has come to the attention of the Air Force that it is likely your e-mail servers may have inadvertently received confidential Air Force e-mails. These e-mails were sent in error. We beg and plead with you to not consider this a "leak" to your organization. These "leaks" will arrive to you though regular channels. As you may have received several thousand e-mails we ask that you forget everything that you read and delete everything. If you print a story about this and decide to publish some example e-mails, please contact us as we will help you find some really juicy e-mails. Again, we did not do this on purpose.

    Since our e-mail servers are already having some serious problems, if you are not the intended recipient, please discard this e-mail immediately. We do not have any serious problems with our e-mail servers. If this is the tourism site again, please redirect these e-mails to major news organizations - and then delete.

    Thank you,
    US Air Force

  27. Join the Air Force! by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    We fuck up more before 8 a.m than most people fuck up all day.

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    1. Re:Join the Air Force! by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      Been there, done that. Saw none of the camaraderie that the other armed forces have in spades. Maybe they should make airmen recruits shit between their boots during their (HAH!!!) "Warrior Week".

  28. A Serious Question by catdriver · · Score: 1

    It's easy to poke fun at the Air Force, but this is a serious IT question.

    How do you keep (sometimes stupid) users from sending proprietary (or even run of the mill) e-mail to addresses with the wrong .tld?

    It's not as easy as blocking all .com mail, or rerouting that mail to .mil addresses, since they certainly have users with legitimate e-mail needs that send mail to .com accounts. Even blocking mildenhall.com might prevent some legitimate use of a tourist site, perhaps for military with families visiting the area.

    Additionally, that wouldn't solve the greater problem which could easily crop up again with randolph.com, eglin.com, edwards.com or any number of similarly named commercial sites.

    Education has its limits, and even experienced users will type the wrong .tld occasionally in the heat of the moment.

    Certainly nobody should send sensitive information unencrypted over non-secure channels, but it sounds like the biggest problem here was the volume of the traffic.

    Does anyone have a good solution to this problem?

    1. Re:A Serious Question by deniable · · Score: 1

      You give them two email systems. One is internal ONLY and never routes to the outside world. The other (available only to those who really need it) is able to send stuff to the outside world.

      IIRC, this is how the Australian Tax Office was doing things a decade ago. They're not the sharpest tools in the shed so you'd think the USAF could figure it out.

    2. Re:A Serious Question by fuzed · · Score: 1

      It's called data leakage, and there are several vendors for proxy/filter systems. BlueCoat, Symmantec,.... GAH its not as if the vendors aren't trying to sell this stuff everywhere.

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    3. Re:A Serious Question by catdriver · · Score: 1
      Those very systems you mention exist and are used religiously. I have no doubt that, had the misrouted information been truly sensitive, there would have been a much bigger reaction.

      The challenge is the part you mention here:

      The other (available only to those who really need it) is able to send stuff to the outside world.
      Unfortunately, it's the other way around. The system connected to the outside world is available to nearly everyone, since nearly everyone has legitimate needs in that arena. Not surprisingly, these are also your less trained, less experienced, less trusted users. As another user comments below, PEBKAC.
    4. Re:A Serious Question by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      How do you keep (sometimes stupid) users from sending proprietary (or even run of the mill) e-mail to addresses with the wrong .tld?

      Let's say I want to send an email to General Ripper, whose address is ripper@burpelson.mil, but for some reason, I manually type in an incorrect address: ripper@burpelson.com.

      Here's what should happen: at a minimum, the email client should say, "I can't find ripper@burpelson.com's public key."

      Let's say the dot-com guy actually does have a public key, though, and the email client is smart enough to look people up on the public key servers. Then what should probably happen, is that it should say, "KeyID 435849759 is not trusted," because that's someone I don't know. I signed/certed General Ripper's key, but I've never even met that dot-com guy. Or if I'm delegating authority (e.g. treat 3 moderately trusted certs as trusted), it's also unlikely that 3 people's I've met know that dot-com guy.

      But let's say this is happening in the future (i.e. at some time when lots of people actually give a damn about email security and authentication) so there's a big global WoT and both I and that dot-com guy are well enough connected that I actually do have a trustable key for him. In other words, I actually can send email to the dot-com guy, even when my email client is ordered to only send encrypted email. That's where the military's customized email client comes in. Since I checked the "classified" checkbox on this email, it not only looks up ripper@burpelson.com's key, but also notices that he's not on the whitelist of people allowed to receive classified info! So the email client says, "Hey, you can't send this to that person."

      Of course, idiots will just implement that last step (whitelisting for classified info). It's just as fucked up that the earlier checks aren't happening, though. Almost all email should be pgp encrypted by default.

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    5. Re:A Serious Question by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Education is the key people need to be better educated about domains and their extensions.
      Most people I know don't get domains wrong my email is a .net there is a .com of the same name but everyone seems to get my domain correct.

      ~Dan

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    6. Re:A Serious Question by nexuspal · · Score: 1

      You crypto the email, and only send such senstive emails on "protected" networks. Between the two, you pretty much have eliminated the problem (never gets on public network, and if it does, cryptography keeps it locked up for the next decade).

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  29. Good job by ma0sm · · Score: 1

    that the person involved was more conscientious than this guy: http://youhavegotthewrongperson.blogspot.com/

  30. Lowest Common Denominator business by chrishillman · · Score: 0

    There is no mechanism to prevent Lt Snuffy from emailing his flight plan to anyone. There are official channels, but pilots are notorious for being arrogant so they do what they want. You can give a guy millions of dollars in training and equipment but still not stop them from acting like an idiot.

    This is not really an IT problem in that you can't prevent a user from sending email. You can educate them (if they will listen, but who is a Sargent to tell a Colonel what to do), you could block "mildenhal.com" in the DNS but then you will have users complaining that they can't surf there. If it were me in the IT shop I would go to the users and tell them to use ".MIL" and their encryption, but not much else because you can't fix stupid.

  31. A Serious Answer by argent · · Score: 1

    Certainly nobody should send sensitive information unencrypted over non-secure channels, but it sounds like the biggest problem here was the volume of the traffic.

    Didn't the DoD come up with the solution to this in the '80s? Remember the Orange Book?

    That's the solution: you need mandatory access control when you're dealing with classified material. If you're sending material from a classified computer, or moving it from a classified zone on a compartmentalized computer system, then it should be encrypted automatically. If the computer system does not implement MAC then it needs to be treated as if all the data on it was at the level of the maximally classified data it's allowed to contain.

    C2 security isn't good enough for stuff like this.

    1. Re:A Serious Answer by catdriver · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the response and I agree completely. Sensitive information has to stay on the high-side.

      But what about the guy who sends a "Hey John, what's up?" e-mail to his bud, Airman John Doe at john.doe@mildenhall.com. What happens when that happens a few thousand times?

      There was obviously a traffic problem in addition to a sensitivity issue with mildenhall.com. That much well intentioned but incorrectly addressed e-mail could easily overwhelm a small site.

      And what do you do as a network administrator of a site with a customer at widgets.net or widgets.us or widgets.info when a bunch of your users keep inadvertently sending e-mail to your (or his) competitor at widgets.com?

    2. Re:A Serious Answer by argent · · Score: 1

      But what about the guy who sends a "Hey John, what's up?" e-mail to his bud, Airman John Doe at john.doe@mildenhall.com.

      That's a completely different issue, and these days it's a minor one.

      To put it into perspective, by 1999 I was getting so much spam to my personal domain that I was going over my bandwidth cap just turning around the "RCPT TO" lines for non-existent accounts pulled from spammers parsing Usenet message-IDs as emou addresses. Within a couple of years I was not inly using an RBL but blocking entire countries just to avoid the bandwidth cost of dealing with spam, but luckily bandwidth has giotten cheap enough I don't need to worry TOO much about that any more. I get tremendous quantities of mail that I have to just throw away at the server. If every grunt in the US Army decided that my system was where their buddy John Doe was at, I don't think I'd notice.

      And in 1999 my box was at most a Pentium 100 with 16M of RAM... it might have still been the original 486/50 I started with. Even today it's no powerhouse. CPU power was never an issue. I *am* running a small site, and if I can handle this kind of traffic then if anyone's actually burdened by even a high volume of misdirected mail they need to fire their email software.

      And what do you do as a network administrator of a site with a customer at widgets.net or widgets.us or widgets.info when a bunch of your users keep inadvertently sending e-mail to your (or his) competitor at widgets.com?

      That's a tougher one.

      I'd add a filter to my email server that bounces internal mail going to widgets.com unless it's got some override token set by the user.

      But I realize I'm not your average bear... by the time I left ABB I was doing things a lot more complex than that in our local email server. What the average network admin could do, using random commercial email software, I don't know.

  32. Audit by larryboymi · · Score: 1

    This is pretty upsetting, especially when considering that I've worked for a military contractor for the past 5 years and I've had to do security audits from the government each year. Do they audit their own people?

  33. Re:The Airforce and no IS Security by jimbobborg · · Score: 1

    I suspect that USAF is using contractors for their IT needs, much like the rest of the US Gov't.

  34. non-issue by RetiefUnwound · · Score: 1

    Look folks, there seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of what the problem is here.

    a) Military computer users suffer from the same lack of applications training that corporate users do, therefore their rate of screwups is no higher than any other userbase. The do receive more computer security briefings than your average corp user, but that doesn't make up for lack of understanding on the part of the user when it comes to knowing how to use anything.

    b) The Air Force and Army *DO* have email encryption. However, it is user selectable - i.e., when emailing anything it is up to the user to make the determination if the encryption is warranted, and then select the option.

    c) The problem here is with the SENDER. The owner/operator of the email domain at Mildenhall is not at fault. You can't troubleshoot a problem with people on the OTHER end of a problem situation. If they aren't using the Exchange GAL and typing in an @.com address instead of an @af.mil address, you really can't resolve the PEBKAC for them, can you?

    'nuff said!

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    1. Re:non-issue by catdriver · · Score: 1

      Well said.

      I asked a similar question a few comments above. The problem is senders typing the wrong .tld when they address their e-mail.

      I don't know of any easy solutions.

    2. Re:non-issue by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      The Air Force and Army *DO* have email encryption. However, it is user selectable - i.e., when emailing anything it is up to the user to make the determination if the encryption is warranted, and then select the option.
      Fine, but there are very few cases where encryption isn't warranted, so it should be the default, and only get unchecked under exceptional circumstances (mailing lists are the only case I can actually think of, off the top of my head). Encryption isn't just something you use for secrets. It's something you should use routinely, by default. It should be the norm. Making unchecking it be a weird and exceptional case, gives the user a second chance to spot their mistake.
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  35. Come to slashdot.... by jackhererUK · · Score: 1

    ... the best place on the web for 3 day old technology news stories.

  36. Re:The Airforce and no IS Security by deniable · · Score: 1
    It could be funny if you don't select for the sending domain. This is roughly the error message I'd use:

    That address doesn't exist here, please check it and send it again.

    If you are with the United States Air Force please use other-domain.uk instead of ourdomain.uk.

    Thank you, have a nice day.

    Not likely to do anything, but I'd wonder if I got that message.

  37. FWIW... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    Mildenhall is the site of an RAF base, actually now a USAF base. Not totally random sending it to this recipient, where I could see them somehow mistaking one Mildenhall for another. But still dumb as a blade of grass.

    Maybe they need a new mail server? FC7 should do, or something from IBM, all wrapped up in a pretty $MM mainframe?

    sheesh...

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  38. Mildenhall Village by Inda · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I laugh because this concerns little emails.

    When I lived in the small Wiltshire village of Mildenhall, we often had convoys of military vehicles being misdelivered.

    "Where's the air base?" the lead driver would ask.

    "150 miles North East of here!" we'd all reply.

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  39. US Air Force is Not the First by shking · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From 2001 to 2005, CIBC, a large Canadian bank sent faxes containing customers' fund transfer requests to a West Virginia scrapyard. The faxes didn't stop until the bank was publicly embarrased in the national media.

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  40. my guess by GregNorc · · Score: 1

    My guess is that Airmen were replacing .gov with .com when typing emails.

    1. Re:my guess by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      Guess again. It would either be .mil for US military, or .uk for British Military ( not sure why the UK government agencys and military share .uk with every other domain in the UK, and not have their own such as .ukm and .ukg)

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    2. Re:my guess by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      Guess again. It would either be .mil for US military, or .uk for British Military ( not sure why the UK government agencys and military share .uk with every other domain in the UK, and not have their own such as .ukm and .ukg) The reason why is simple: ICANN guarantees every country one TLD. Others would need to go through a long process, and the new TLD may still not get approved. The .mil domain's existence is probably mostly a holdover of the Internets development. Remember that at that time, MILNET was a large part of arpanet. Now it was shortsighted to give special treatment to the US Government and Military, especially since the country-code top-level domain system was developed simultaneously, but then again, the original system did not actually say that those domains were US specific. It may have been the original intent that .MIL would be open to all militaries, and .GOV to all governments. Indeed, in the beginning, it was almost certain possible for such organizations to receive a 2nd level .GOV or .MIL domain. However, it was not too terribly long before those domains were delegated to NICs that enforced special restrictions on those domains making the US specific.
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    3. Re:my guess by David+at+Eeyore · · Score: 1

      The UK use .gov.uk for many govt agencies, The Ministry of Defence use www.mod.uk for the outside world; we do the same inn AU, eg www.defence.gov.au for Internet facing hosts for the Australian Department of Defence.

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  41. NY TImes by jefu · · Score: 1

    There was also a full page ad in yesterdays (dead tree) New York Times saying the same kind of thing. Too bad we can't arrange for the Times to do a story on this and arrange it to be on the facing page from the USAF's next ad.

  42. Did you expect the Air Force to be 100% efficient? by howardd21 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was in the US Air Force for 12 years, and and have now been in private industry for about the same, and I can tell you the USAF is reflective of all organizations. It makes mistakes like all others, exceeds standards in a lot, and at the end of the day gets the job done using the resources allotted to it. If there is low hanging fruit there, it is generally no more or less than anywhere else.

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  43. Re:The Airforce and no IS Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Signing your posts is lame (this is not usenet), but double-signing? Wow. I checked, you do this a LOT.

  44. Military intelligence, it would seem.. by the_rajah · · Score: 3, Funny

    is still an oxymoron.

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    1. Re:Military intelligence, it would seem.. by Eil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One thing you have to understand about the military is that for every uniformed soldier, airman, sailor, or what-have-you, there are 3 more civilian government employees doing the routine stuff like keeping the base facilities repaired, managing the supply system, or (unfortunately) maintaining the base's entire I.T. infrastructure.

      At every single Air Force base I was stationed, the network staff was entirely comprised of should-be retirees who had been working for the federal government since the stone ages and weren't knowledgeable about the systems they managed beyond whatever they had to cram for in order to keep their MCSE certificate current. Network outages several times a week were the norm. The security policies were effective at keeping Airmen from doing their work at the same time that they practically begged hackers to have a nice comfy visit.

      One admin was so inept that he refused to install virus-scanning software on the Exchange server because "all packages that [he] tested caught false positives." So his Plan B was to forward every single email virus hoax message that he got to every single person in the wing. Each message of course carried the stern warning, "anyone who opens an email with the subject 'a postcard for you' will lose network privileges." Once in awhile I'd send him a link to a website disproving one of his forwarded hoaxes, but never got any replies.

      Another time I stopped by the NOC office to have them repair a laptop that wouldn't boot because of some Windows driver issue. I could have fixed it myself, but mind you, this is the military and I wasn't "trained" to do that. The guy who worked on the machine seemed nice enough, so I mentioned jokingly that he should put Linux on it and it would work fine. Bad move: he didn't take it as a joke. I got to listen for a 45 minutes about how Linux wasn't a real OS and was developed by (or for) hackers for infiltrating classified networks, and about how Microsoft single-handedly invented computers, and about how they didn't even have punch-cards back in his day, etc, etc.

  45. You're crazy by jgoemat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An attacker who took that turkey down would get a pat on the back and free beers in every bar across the United States.

    Who among us would be happy to have Dick Cheney as president?

    1. Re:You're crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I for one welcome our new judge-shooting president...

    2. Re:You're crazy by ahodgson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He's been president for 7 years ...

    3. Re:You're crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if Clinton or Obama are elected and want to stay alive, they should
      have Ted Kennedy as their Vice-President.

  46. Re:How is it an AF problem? by catdriver · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Why is this modded -1?

    The poster asked a very legitimate question that points out the real issue here, namely that people are addressing their mildenhall.af.gov mail to mildenhall.com.

    Thanks for your insightful post, and if I hadn't already commented on this thread I'd mod you up.

  47. Ah, the DoD mentality.... by j_f_chamblee · · Score: 1

    Kind of reminds ya of the 1990s urban legend about Canadian lighthouses and U.S. aircraft carriers.

    US Ship: Please divert your course 0.5 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.

    CND reply: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

    US Ship: This is the Captain of a US Navy Ship. I say again, divert your course.

    CND reply: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course!

    US Ship: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS CORAL SEA*, WE ARE A LARGE WARSHIP OF THE US NAVY. DIVERT YOUR COURSE NOW!!

    CND reply: This is a lighthouse. Your call.


    Not true, of course. But, funny.

    ....and seemingly on the mark with regard to the Air Force's suggestions regarding email filtering, responsibility for security breaches etc.

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    1. Re:Ah, the DoD mentality.... by BlueZombie · · Score: 1

      Aw, you got to it before I could!

  48. You can't make this stuff up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US Air Force has been sending sensitive information, including flight plans for Air Force One, to a website promoting the town of Mildenhall in Suffolk.

    Why am I suddenly reminded of that scene in Airplane!:

    Ted Striker: My orders came through. My squadron ships out tomorrow. We're bombing the storage depots at Daiquiri at 1800 hours. We're coming in from the north, below their radar.
    Elaine Dickinson: When will you be back?
    Ted Striker: I can't tell you that. It's classified.

    What a bunch of friggin' idiots.

  49. Re:Did you expect the Air Force to be 100% efficie by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You understand what a low-hanging fruit is, right?

    It's no reflection on the quality or caliber of people and projects in the AF.

    When your goal is to pick fruit from a tree, the low-hanging ones are the easiest to reach and thus the first to get picked.

    When your goal is to cut costs, the low-hanging fruit are the ones that are easy to cut because they are 1) big-ticket items where a small reduction in qty yields a large cost-savings and 2) there is little direct elimination of jobs.

    Naval yards, for example, fulfill item 1 but not item 2. Orders for new aircraft, however, fulfill both -- though there is indirect job loss.

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  50. Re:The Airforce and no IS Security by whoever57 · · Score: 1

    Not to mention their mistreatment of the domain owner, telling him to rewrite his 550 SMTP reply to inform senders of the base's domain.
    If you RTFA, you will see that it was RAF Mildenhall who gave this advice. As the intended recipients, not the senders, this was probably a good thing to do. One can only hope that they also notified the USAF of the problem.
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  51. spooks new... by pizpot · · Score: 1

    I'm sure this was on purpose. Leaking false plans is how the spooks can test their enemy's knowledge.

  52. The good old days of catchall addresses by Animats · · Score: 1

    Ah, the good old days of catchall addresses.

    I own a .com domain which is the same as the ".co.uk" domain of a religious school in England. The kids mostly just mis-subscribed to mailing lists; I was getting multiple copies of promotional junk from bands. The e-mails between the staff were interesting, though.

    I had to turn off the catchall addresses about five years ago. Dictionary attacks were overloading the spam filters.

  53. Re:non-issue ....... no, it's a big issue by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
    The Air Force and Army *DO* have email encryption. However, it is user selectable - i.e., when emailing anything it is up to the user to make the determination if the encryption is warranted, and then select the option.

    encryption should never be an option. it should be mandatory - here's why.
    When you have the option of only encrypting "important" messages (and this goes for email, radio broadcast, satellite, whatever) then you draw attention to the importance of a message's content by encrypting it. Military strategists will tell you this is a bad thing. You must send all messages with the same standard or security - that way the baddies have to expend a great deal of time and resources trying to decrypt everything, just to fine the one in 10,000 that is worth the effort.

    Even if you think the baddies don't or can't decrypt the messages, if you only encrypt important ones, an onlooker can tell there's something going on by an increase in the number or length of encrypted messages. That in itself is valuable information. It's not unknown for broadcast (remember the "number stations") messages to be sent non-stop, with padding if there's no real content to send, just to cloak the real volumes

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  54. Re:The Airforce... Whooa... by davidsyes · · Score: 2, Informative

    There *could* be a *WO*man in the office someday.

    Personally, when I was in uniform and when I was taken in hand for criticizing a sitting president (84-88, and this happened around 86) I was told (or probably given an implied order) to RESPECT THE MAN IN OFFICE. To hell with that. If an idiot or dunce is in office, call a spade a spade. But, if fools someday (or in the past) take/took office, it would be tragic to not challenge that. I take GREAT offence at being told to unwaveringly GIVE my support for *the president*. If ANY president kills for power or destabilizes governments for control and so on, and tries to assign to that act my name... well, screw that, and SCREW HIM/HER. I have a bigger world view, and it doesn't allow for individual countries to call the shots for all the rest. EVER.

    Well, unless you're in Russia. But, hey, even in Russia today, SOME permission is allowed to criticize the government. It just might not get printed.

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  55. Re:The Airforce and no IS Security by corbettw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why didn't a "Communications Squadron" offer to work with the domain owner to resolve these problems? Why didn't someone just update the distribution list in Exchange? How freakin' hard is that?

    Besides, these emails should have been going over SIPR (secret military VPN), not NIPR (public Internet). The SIPR machines can't route email to NIPR networks, so the problem never would've happened in the first place if proper OPSEC had been followed. Someone needs an Article 15 for this.

    (I'm a former IT1 in the Navy, and worked with Air Force guys in Operation Northern Watch, and I can state that all of the Air Force personnel I worked with in the comms section were highly skilled professionals, so this is not a slam on Air Force-types in general.)
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  56. Re:non-issue ....... no, it's a big issue by RetiefUnwound · · Score: 1

    Consider:

    a) The traffic you're talking about is on what's known as the NIPRNET - meaning UNCLASSIFIED information is what it's supposed to carry. The optional encryption that I refer to is optional because it's really intended to protect FOUO (For Official Use Only) information and other data at around the same level of sensitivity. It is not intended to protect classified information of ANY level. That being said, if the information is of ANY classification rating, it should never have been on the NIPRNET. Meaning - the jackass who posted it is the problem, not the optional encryption.

    b) The encryption system in question is actually a PKI setup with two factor authentication (this is public knowlege if you Google it). Encrypting individual messages may draw attention to them, but you have yourself a fine old time trying to decrypt them.

    c) There is a whole seprate network devoted to classified information. It is known that the Russians gave up on American cryptography a long time ago - it's that good. If the information was important enough to be protected, that's where it should have gone. Again - if there's a PEBKAC issue or an operator headspace issue it's not something that can be addressed until AFTER the screwup occurs. It doesn't matter how good your security is if your people aren't trained.

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  57. Thank goodness for useful idiots by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

    Under similar circumstances, the 2004 US election caging list controversy , where the Republican party was attempting to have thousands of African-Americans taken off the voter rolls, was revealed when sensitive e-mails were addressed to a George Bush parody site instead of the W's actual re-election site. The caging list wound its way into the hands of Greg Palast and the BBC and the rest is history.

  58. Re:How is it an AF problem? by meringuoid · · Score: 1
    This is really about stupid people who are sending their emails to the wrong address. How is the AF supposed to control that?

    When those emails contain the flight plan for Air Force 1, the Air Force really ought to work out a way of controlling that. Preferably a way involving strong encryption, and thorough training of everyone involved about how to use it. There are innocent people aboard that plane who could be killed if anyone decided to take a shot at it to take out Dubya.

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  59. Re:The Airforce and no IS Security by bcattwoo · · Score: 1

    I suspect that USAF is using contractors for their IT needs, much like the rest of the US Gov't. DING! DING! DING!
  60. Cheney by u8i9o0 · · Score: 1

    I most certainly don't. Unless they can take out Cheney at the same time.
    You know why the democrats haven't had Bush impeached? Because they'd rather have him than President Evil.
    So instead, we have both.
    What then, for all these years, has been stopping them from impeaching/convicting Cheney? It's not like he's squeaky clean, right?

    And how about this: due to inaction by Congress, there's even less accountability now as well as for the foreseeable future.

    The process has happened before, and not too long ago: Spiro Agnew was forced to resign almost a year prior to Richard Nixon's own resignation.

    Today's Democratic party leadership must be seriously disorganized.
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  61. Re:Did you expect the Air Force to be 100% efficie by howardd21 · · Score: 1

    Yes, I do understand low hanging fruit. When I was in the AF I won several suggestion awards for exactly that, and got a token award for things like "Let's but this part for $1.00 from this source instead of $1.50 over here", so it is part of the culture, and both encouraged and rewarded. I also completely re-engineered the supply chain at numerous locations to improve flow, and reduce costs.
    My point is that my experience at identifying and actually taking advantage of flow hanging fruit, and identifying and executing effective, efficient, processes has been common to both the AF and private industry. The converse is also true, as a consultant, I see inefficient, ineffective processes in private industry also. Both are sometimes addressed, and sometimes ignored.
    I am just one guy, but that is my observation FWIW.

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  62. Re:The Airforce and no IS Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So he gets spammed. My mail servers do as well, and I'd really wonder how he's filtering through all that crap to find the emails that have these juicy tidbits he says he's getting. Sounds like a BS story to me. Maybe he should turn it into a porn site like whitehouse.com used to be.

  63. Keep the domain up! by hackel · · Score: 1

    It's sad that Gary Sinnott decided to take down the site. He should keep it up, and have all the mail forwarded to Wikileaks just in case something useful comes through again. There are plenty of members of the community who would monitor the email if he doesn't want to deal with it himself!

    I'd love to see Air Force One shot down as a result of such a pathetic security breach. Even if the president wasn't on it, it would be such a demoralising blow, such an embarrassment to the United States, it would be glorious.

  64. outlook auto-completion by Augmento · · Score: 1

    did anyone mention that the problem was probably with outlook autocompletion or some such where if you don't type the whole the address it appends .com to the end? as far as IT goes, air force enlisted seem to be more savvy than the other services.

  65. Re:The Airforce and no IS Security by Dan541 · · Score: 1

    I suspect that an email about data being sent to a public URL may have been seen as cryptic to whatever administrator ended up with the information. I wouldn't count on it Government departments don't seem to like encrypting data as we have seen in the past with the theft of laptops.

    If I received classified information I would post it to wikileaks that would get them to fix the problem pretty quickly.

    ~Dan

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  66. typical looney tunes right wing nonsense by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 1

    just look at MS - when they get it wrong, you have to pay anyway....
    this whole priv enterprise is more efficient then govt - give me some solid studies with data...

  67. Re:The Airforce and no IS Security by initialE · · Score: 1

    If the Air Force doesn't have good IT personnel, is that the fault of the personnel, or the management that won't bother to either hire better personnel or train up the ones that they do have? One way or another this is pretty damning for any Military Intelligence to have.

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  68. Re:The Airforce and no IS Security by scatters · · Score: 1

    You do realize that the US Air Force is charge with US cyberspace defence?! Check the latest recruiting commercials... Air, Space & Cyberspace.

    This kind of response from the USAF is pretty disturbing given their new charter. Still, I supposed they could have called in an airstrike on the town and fixed the problem that way. We should be grateful for small mercies :)

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  69. Spam by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    Don't these emails classify as spam?

    Sue the US air forces, solve the problem and make a bob or two.

    US air forces are like the pig in "Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig." -- Robert Heinlein

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  70. Re:Quick fix: encryption by mcvos · · Score: 1

    Yes. Or, they could not send sensitive information via email.

    Or, when they do send sensitive information by email, use encryption.

    It still amazes me how much highly sensitive information is transported in unencrypted form. A few years ago in Netherland, people would find unencrypted USB sticks with unencrypted sensitive military information all over the place. When a Dutch public prosecutor bought a new PC, he simply placed his old PC simply outside with the garbage, somebody else picked it up, and discovered lots of data about sensitive criminal cases still under investigation. The prosecutor got mangled for not disposing of his PC in the proper manner, but I'd like to know how it was even possible that a private PC contains such sensitive data without any sort of rigidly enforced encryption?

  71. Whitehouse.com by OMNIpotusCOM · · Score: 1

    That's just like the time Cheney tried to email GDub@whitehouse.com - after the initial shock it was hours of laughter had by all. Except for Cheney because he already laughed one time this millenium.

  72. Re:The Airforce and no IS Security by dscruggs · · Score: 1

    I seriously doubt the Airforce has good IT personnel.

    And no wonder. 50 years ago the best and the brightest wanted to work for the likes of Edward Teller and Robert Oppenheimer. Now they'd prefer to go work for Sergey and Larry.