Or Shift-Click. Just like already mentioned above. That little convenience is just a very small part of the whole idea of spatiality and whether you want it or not, as it does in no way change the overall way of doing things. Which in turn is what counts, not whether you can kinda sidestep it slightly.
Well yes, Shift+Click does exactly that. Not that it really makes anything much better if you don't like the metafor in the first place.
The difference lies mainly in how you want your metafor to be, the browser metafor "browses around", looking at new things in the same view. The spatial metafor tries to model everything you want to look at as a separate object, and tries to model this by opening it separately. Some people say that this is easier to understand and relate to for beginners, but that is really hard to judge for someone like me, who is used to browser and commander interfaces.
Anyhow, the idea as I recall it was to lower the bar for everyone, especially people new to computers - which is a great goal. The bad thing was that they tried to tell us all how we wanted to do things.
I'm pretty new to Gnome, been using KDE until I switched to Ubuntu. I've been trying out the spatial way for quite some time now (as in months), just to give it a fair chance. Because, I've recently started to understand that especially we power users are missing out on a lot of great things just because we grumpily do things the way we've always done them, and so I've started to try and do things the designers way instead of spending hours on reconfiguring every computer I sit down at. I've discovered that several things I've frowned upon for years, for reasons that now escape me, actually make my life easier. Like the trash can, believe it or not!;-)
Anyhow spatial navigation isn't nearly as bad as people say when you get used to it, but it still mostly clutters and slows things down. I'm probably gonna call the experiment in favour of the nay sayers soon and start browsing again.:)
They would probably be allowed to remain unchanged, there are even some old closed source projects remaining on sourceforge since before this requirement was put in place. Also, the demand that the licenses are OSI approved is most likely just a good way to streamline the process for approval.
I haven't tried that particular combination (WET+Teamspeak), but lots of problems with simultaneous sounds were solved for me when I finally found this HOWTO for multiple sounds in the Ubuntu forums. It turns out that even though the ALSA docs says they have no software mixing, they do. And just copy/pasting from that post suddenly made it possible for my one hardware channel card to share.
Worth a try? Hope it helps, it sure helped me.:)
(Of course, some modification might be necessary for other distros).
A lot of posts here is missing the point, which is that people who uses Dreamweaver wants WYSIWYG editing, not lots of textfields, possibly even with some kind of made up markup. If you have mainly unchanging static content, there isn't much reason to have dynamics on the serverside.
In fact, I would want to have WYSIWYG for dynamic content too, if possible. And it looks like it may be on its way, check out Mozile - preferably in a Gecko browser so you can try it out live. It looks a bit dead when you look at the page, but view the mailing list archives for very recent updates, including installable extensions.
For you who are too lazy to click, Mozile is a system for rich editing of HTML directly in pages, what is extra special is that you define what areas are editable, and then you can post back just that part or the whole page, via POST, WebDav or a few other methods. And it can be used just by including a few javascripts in your page, or it can be installed as an extension in Firefox/Mozilla. A perfect match for editing any online content with direct results, be it blogs, news or docs or whatever.
Check it out, this could well be the next great thing, and if you like the Gecko family, also a great way to promote your favourite. If you are so inclined, I'm sure the project also could use more people testing and developing.
I'm impressed, and I'm most likely gonna use this or parts of it myself. What would be really interesting would be to extend the WebDav functionality to talk to subversion, sadly that protocol is really complicated (even though built upon Dav) and not really well documented (as in easy to read, the facts are there). But it should be possible to pull off with ethereal, or if any of the developers would want to lend a helping hand towards such an effort.
And my stance is I refuse to get opinions or advice on what is appropriate behaviour from anyone named "Pussyjuice". Or who uses the expression "is The Suck", for that matter.
Actually, I'm actively using it as it is, mainly to build/install extensions during development, but also for some of the other features. It has ways to go, yes, but it is already very useful. And I try to not only report bugs but provide fixes too, hoping that what little I do helps getting it from useful to really useful as soon as possible.:)
We all benefit from NOT having a system whereby a well funded organization cannot assume it will win because it can afford lawyers, a system where the big money always wins.
But that is very close to what you have! I agree totally on your points, if they were valid, but the fact remains that you have to pay to play, and far from everyone can do that, donations or not. I hope these guys make enough to play, but we don't know that yet.
That is not a fair system. Exercising its rights my ass. The rights to roll over and die unless you can raise enough money? Where's the justice in that?
A real justice system, like many in Europe, would not require you to pay to defend yourself up front! You might still have to pay court costs afterwards if you lose, but that's fair enough and a rule in place to prevent clearly losing cases from taking up the courts time.
You are welcome to download a copy of TextPad for evaluation, or to upgrade an earlier release. There is no charge for the download, but you must pay for the software if you decide to keep it.
In Mozilla, I just hit Ctrl-L, type my search commands, hit up arrow and enter. I haven't found any way of achieving the same thing in Firefox
Without using Mozilla, it is hard to know exactly what you mean and what happens when you use up arrow, but I think it can be acheived - I don't use the search box at all, instead I use a combination of:
1. about:config -> keyword.URL set to http://www.google.com/search?oe=UTF-8&q= instead of the default (not very intiutive no), which causes Firefox to search on Google with anything entered that doesn't look like an URL, which is anything that hasn't got a dot embedded in the first word I think(?).
2. Keywords on bookmarks, making it possible to search wikipedia with "wp search terms", CPAN: "cpan search terms" and so on. Look in the Quick Searches folder for examples. I suppose Mozilla has this too, though.
Maybe that helps, that is, if you do want to try a switch.:)
Mozilla has had this (IE compatible) object since Mozilla 1.0 (Netscape 7), and Safari has it too. In the native implementations, you use new XMLHttpRequest() instead, and you can test for window.XMLHttpRequest to see if it is there. It is just a few lines of code extra.
Furthermore, you can use asyncronous requests to avoid lockups. Having the Google server farm and bandwidth wouldn't hurt either, of course.;)
Push, if memory serves right, kept the connection open "forever" and when it was time for an update, the server just dropped the new content down the pipe. This may not be an appropriate solution, really...
Since the whole thing as it is now is just HTTP requests anyways, I don't see why
a) clients couldn't poll at sane intervals, and b) something like if-modified-since couldn't be used. Web servers have it out of the box if you serve static RSS manually, otherwise it is just one extra header in your CGI. And on the client side it is as easy, just one simple header to test against *first*.
I mean, come on.
Ok, so I haven't actually done any research. But it would surprise me greatly if those things are being done and there still is a problem.:)
Well, "Photoshop UI rules." is a pretty exact description of what you want, if that is in fact what you want.
Not that the GIMP team will ever change the UI though, that much is clear from following the mailing lists - on the other hand, they probably shouldn't, because enough people want it to stay the way they are used to.
What *should* be done is separating the UI real good and make it possible to start the GIMP in "photoshop mode" (or switch to) or whatever custom mode you like, then make those modes and maintain them. GIMP UI works for a select few, for most people it doesn't (including me). That really hurts, because I do run Linux and would like an image manipulation program I didn't have to fight. At the same time, I don't really use it enough to justify CrossOver Office... but maybe that will have to be the solution in the end.:-/
Somehow, the GIMP way just does not work for many people even thoughthey actually use it much and give it the fair chance. For us, we need the possibility to have another UI on top.
If you want to be a game designer, you design and analyse games all the time. If you don't, you don't really want to be one.
This is similar to all who says "I want to be a writer, but I've just not gotten around to it". This is complete and utter bullshit. Anyone who wants to be a writer, writes constantly, whatever they are writing, that is what they do. Because that is what they want to do - and it is the only way to learn it and improve.
Otherwise, you just want to be the lead guitarrist that gets to stand in front and show off. But guess what, lead guitarrists practice all the time too. Because they love it, and because they want to improve.
It is really that simple. If you aren't doing it constantly, that is not what you actually want to do. I understand you might think so, but you are wrong.
And no, this is not necessarily directed at parent, because this was not touched in that post. Just pointing out a reality everyone and their dog should realise, and realise now.:)
Well the problem isn't that these guys have done something special, they really haven't, and yes there are lots of other possible solutions, even if I don't want to lock myself into GnomeMeeting. There are open standards, and open protocols, and knowledge, and just about everything you could think of. And they work, and they've been around for some time.
But.
The difference is that these guys are doing it. Talking about it is all well and fine, but noone is actually doing anything to seriously match them. Until you step up to the plate and take a swing yourself, using the open standards and protocols we want, you do like the rest of us and shut the hell up - not really directed at parent, but a more general statement.
There is a lot of talk, and nothing done. Maybe, just maybe, *that's* why the evil, evil proprietry products win? Not because they are better, or profitable, or anything like that - but because someone shut his trap and got to work instead. Oh, and when that happens in the OSS world, you get stuff like Firefox and Apache instead of IE and ISS. So, what are you waiting for?
(No, I'm not using Skype myself. I don't need it, and I'm still a bit wary because of the Kazaa history, although people do say that these particular guys weren't responsible.)
"Much as I hate to say it, the Computer Science view of language design has gotten too inbred in recent years. The Computer Scientists should pay more attention to the Linguists, who have a much better handle on how people prefer to communicate."
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Or Shift-Click. Just like already mentioned above. That little convenience is just a very small part of the whole idea of spatiality and whether you want it or not, as it does in no way change the overall way of doing things. Which in turn is what counts, not whether you can kinda sidestep it slightly.
Well yes, Shift+Click does exactly that. Not that it really makes anything much better if you don't like the metafor in the first place.
;-)
:)
The difference lies mainly in how you want your metafor to be, the browser metafor "browses around", looking at new things in the same view. The spatial metafor tries to model everything you want to look at as a separate object, and tries to model this by opening it separately. Some people say that this is easier to understand and relate to for beginners, but that is really hard to judge for someone like me, who is used to browser and commander interfaces.
Anyhow, the idea as I recall it was to lower the bar for everyone, especially people new to computers - which is a great goal. The bad thing was that they tried to tell us all how we wanted to do things.
I'm pretty new to Gnome, been using KDE until I switched to Ubuntu. I've been trying out the spatial way for quite some time now (as in months), just to give it a fair chance. Because, I've recently started to understand that especially we power users are missing out on a lot of great things just because we grumpily do things the way we've always done them, and so I've started to try and do things the designers way instead of spending hours on reconfiguring every computer I sit down at. I've discovered that several things I've frowned upon for years, for reasons that now escape me, actually make my life easier. Like the trash can, believe it or not!
Anyhow spatial navigation isn't nearly as bad as people say when you get used to it, but it still mostly clutters and slows things down. I'm probably gonna call the experiment in favour of the nay sayers soon and start browsing again.
Better learn to program in Ook! then before the jobs are outsourced to Sumatra or Borneo.
They would probably be allowed to remain unchanged, there are even some old closed source projects remaining on sourceforge since before this requirement was put in place. Also, the demand that the licenses are OSI approved is most likely just a good way to streamline the process for approval.
I haven't tried that particular combination (WET+Teamspeak), but lots of problems with simultaneous sounds were solved for me when I finally found this HOWTO for multiple sounds in the Ubuntu forums. It turns out that even though the ALSA docs says they have no software mixing, they do. And just copy/pasting from that post suddenly made it possible for my one hardware channel card to share.
:)
Worth a try? Hope it helps, it sure helped me.
(Of course, some modification might be necessary for other distros).
Check out Mozile. Inline rich HTML editing of parts of pages done in Gecko.
A lot of posts here is missing the point, which is that people who uses Dreamweaver wants WYSIWYG editing, not lots of textfields, possibly even with some kind of made up markup. If you have mainly unchanging static content, there isn't much reason to have dynamics on the serverside.
In fact, I would want to have WYSIWYG for dynamic content too, if possible. And it looks like it may be on its way, check out Mozile - preferably in a Gecko browser so you can try it out live. It looks a bit dead when you look at the page, but view the mailing list archives for very recent updates, including installable extensions.
For you who are too lazy to click, Mozile is a system for rich editing of HTML directly in pages, what is extra special is that you define what areas are editable, and then you can post back just that part or the whole page, via POST, WebDav or a few other methods. And it can be used just by including a few javascripts in your page, or it can be installed as an extension in Firefox/Mozilla. A perfect match for editing any online content with direct results, be it blogs, news or docs or whatever.
Check it out, this could well be the next great thing, and if you like the Gecko family, also a great way to promote your favourite. If you are so inclined, I'm sure the project also could use more people testing and developing.
I'm impressed, and I'm most likely gonna use this or parts of it myself. What would be really interesting would be to extend the WebDav functionality to talk to subversion, sadly that protocol is really complicated (even though built upon Dav) and not really well documented (as in easy to read, the facts are there). But it should be possible to pull off with ethereal, or if any of the developers would want to lend a helping hand towards such an effort.
And my stance is I refuse to get opinions or advice on what is appropriate behaviour from anyone named "Pussyjuice". Or who uses the expression "is The Suck", for that matter.
You, sir, need to get out of the basement.
So join and help get it done then. ;-)
:)
Actually, I'm actively using it as it is, mainly to build/install extensions during development, but also for some of the other features. It has ways to go, yes, but it is already very useful. And I try to not only report bugs but provide fixes too, hoping that what little I do helps getting it from useful to really useful as soon as possible.
Just wanted to say thanks you, there was a few links there that I hadn't seen before. :)
We all benefit from NOT having a system whereby a well funded organization cannot assume it will win because it can afford lawyers, a system where the big money always wins.
But that is very close to what you have! I agree totally on your points, if they were valid, but the fact remains that you have to pay to play, and far from everyone can do that, donations or not. I hope these guys make enough to play, but we don't know that yet.
That is not a fair system. Exercising its rights my ass. The rights to roll over and die unless you can raise enough money? Where's the justice in that?
A real justice system, like many in Europe, would not require you to pay to defend yourself up front! You might still have to pay court costs afterwards if you lose, but that's fair enough and a rule in place to prevent clearly losing cases from taking up the courts time.
Now that is having rights - for every citizen.
Yes it is. Split hairs all you like, but you are supposed to pay for the software if you decide to keep it:
http://www.textpad.com/download/index.html:
Same thing with Textpad.
Mr Smith: "There is a gremlin destroying the plane! You've gotta believe me!"
Speaker: "Why should I believe you? You're Hitler!"
NVU is starting to get really nice, otherwise, and it is based on Composer. I think it is supposed to be at least partly merged back in too.
http://www.nvu.com/
In Mozilla, I just hit Ctrl-L, type my search commands, hit up arrow and enter. I haven't found any way of achieving the same thing in Firefox
:)
Without using Mozilla, it is hard to know exactly what you mean and what happens when you use up arrow, but I think it can be acheived - I don't use the search box at all, instead I use a combination of:
1. about:config -> keyword.URL set to http://www.google.com/search?oe=UTF-8&q= instead of the default (not very intiutive no), which causes Firefox to search on Google with anything entered that doesn't look like an URL, which is anything that hasn't got a dot embedded in the first word I think(?).
2. Keywords on bookmarks, making it possible to search wikipedia with "wp search terms", CPAN: "cpan search terms" and so on. Look in the Quick Searches folder for examples. I suppose Mozilla has this too, though.
Maybe that helps, that is, if you do want to try a switch.
Mozilla has had this (IE compatible) object since Mozilla 1.0 (Netscape 7), and Safari has it too. In the native implementations, you use new XMLHttpRequest() instead, and you can test for window.XMLHttpRequest to see if it is there. It is just a few lines of code extra.
;)
Furthermore, you can use asyncronous requests to avoid lockups. Having the Google server farm and bandwidth wouldn't hurt either, of course.
Firefox 1.0, Gentoo
You have to do as you are told and click on the Fradulent warning image too. Try it again, it does work.
Push, if memory serves right, kept the connection open "forever" and when it was time for an update, the server just dropped the new content down the pipe. This may not be an appropriate solution, really...
:)
Since the whole thing as it is now is just HTTP requests anyways, I don't see why
a) clients couldn't poll at sane intervals, and
b) something like if-modified-since couldn't be used. Web servers have it out of the box if you serve static RSS manually, otherwise it is just one extra header in your CGI. And on the client side it is as easy, just one simple header to test against *first*.
I mean, come on.
Ok, so I haven't actually done any research. But it would surprise me greatly if those things are being done and there still is a problem.
Well, "Photoshop UI rules." is a pretty exact description of what you want, if that is in fact what you want.
:-/
Not that the GIMP team will ever change the UI though, that much is clear from following the mailing lists - on the other hand, they probably shouldn't, because enough people want it to stay the way they are used to.
What *should* be done is separating the UI real good and make it possible to start the GIMP in "photoshop mode" (or switch to) or whatever custom mode you like, then make those modes and maintain them. GIMP UI works for a select few, for most people it doesn't (including me). That really hurts, because I do run Linux and would like an image manipulation program I didn't have to fight. At the same time, I don't really use it enough to justify CrossOver Office... but maybe that will have to be the solution in the end.
Somehow, the GIMP way just does not work for many people even thoughthey actually use it much and give it the fair chance. For us, we need the possibility to have another UI on top.
If you want to be a game designer, you design and analyse games all the time. If you don't, you don't really want to be one.
:)
This is similar to all who says "I want to be a writer, but I've just not gotten around to it". This is complete and utter bullshit. Anyone who wants to be a writer, writes constantly, whatever they are writing, that is what they do. Because that is what they want to do - and it is the only way to learn it and improve.
Otherwise, you just want to be the lead guitarrist that gets to stand in front and show off. But guess what, lead guitarrists practice all the time too. Because they love it, and because they want to improve.
It is really that simple. If you aren't doing it constantly, that is not what you actually want to do. I understand you might think so, but you are wrong.
And no, this is not necessarily directed at parent, because this was not touched in that post. Just pointing out a reality everyone and their dog should realise, and realise now.
Well the problem isn't that these guys have done something special, they really haven't, and yes there are lots of other possible solutions, even if I don't want to lock myself into GnomeMeeting. There are open standards, and open protocols, and knowledge, and just about everything you could think of. And they work, and they've been around for some time.
But.
The difference is that these guys are doing it. Talking about it is all well and fine, but noone is actually doing anything to seriously match them. Until you step up to the plate and take a swing yourself, using the open standards and protocols we want, you do like the rest of us and shut the hell up - not really directed at parent, but a more general statement.
There is a lot of talk, and nothing done. Maybe, just maybe, *that's* why the evil, evil proprietry products win? Not because they are better, or profitable, or anything like that - but because someone shut his trap and got to work instead. Oh, and when that happens in the OSS world, you get stuff like Firefox and Apache instead of IE and ISS. So, what are you waiting for?
(No, I'm not using Skype myself. I don't need it, and I'm still a bit wary because of the Kazaa history, although people do say that these particular guys weren't responsible.)
The purist Computer Scientist in me loathes it.
"Much as I hate to say it, the Computer Science view of language design has gotten too inbred in recent years. The Computer Scientists should pay more attention to the Linguists, who have a much better handle on how people prefer to communicate."
--Larry Wall
Because he was against losing his single American job.
You might want to try the Forums then, same helpful people and attitude, but things don't just scroll by. :)