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GIMP 2.2 Splash Screen Competition

Lalakis writes "The GIMP 2.2 Splash Contest is now officially open! Competition entries should be attached to the live.gnome.org wiki before midnight next Sunday. Submit your work and get the glory (there may be a small prize sponsored, too)."

257 comments

  1. My Favorite Splash Screen by stecoop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only good Splash Screen is a dead one.

    How about having no splash screen as an option and let everyone else stare at the pretty picture for N seconds. I have so many windows open that I don't need to have something else occupying my desktop. To me, splash screens are annoying like browser popups - which I haven't seen in months thanks Mozzy that also has the alias & shortcut command option of nosplash.

    1. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by Meostro · · Score: 5, Informative
      As per the link in the mighty $'s post below, start gimp with
      gimp -s
      to disable the spalsh screen completely.
    2. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by stecoop · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There should be a universal standard for all application in the development community where the command --nosplash will disable splash screens.

    3. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by oexeo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > The only good Splash Screen is a dead one.

      They do have a purpose though, they hide the fact the program takes forever to initialize

    4. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by shufler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      An environment variable would be a better option, because really -- if you disable the splash screen on one program, don't you also want to disable it on all programs?

    5. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by DaHat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      True... but the problem with trying to go with an environmental variable for such an option is at what point does it stop?

      There are plenty of application level settings that could be offloaded to the environment with envars permitting more uniform settings on a system... but the standardization of even a portion of such possibilities would be a nightmare. Better to leave each app alone as their own island.

    6. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by tod_miller · · Score: 1

      Splash screens were developed to show loading of application, and branding of application.

      I hate the M$ office splashscreens [haha been a looong time since I saw a M$ splashscreen!, the open officeone is required at the startup time (hopefully 1.5 will stop that) is exagerrated because all office startup dlls are precached.

      If you use the open office starter this helps too.

      Anyway, In Korea, only old people have so many windows open.

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    7. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by Pxtl · · Score: 2, Funny

      Gee, its too bad Linux doesn't have a single, consolidated tree-based system for storing type-specific environment variables. It would be handy for registryng such things.

      j/k.

      One flat file per app is fine, thanks. Alternately, the Windows registry wouldn't be so bad if it was easy to find keys related to program X or Y (rather than its sluggish search) and the damn thing had some form of docstrings. If Python has tought me one thing, its that you can never have too many docstrings.

    8. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by DocSnyder · · Score: 2, Insightful
      A status bar or a progress window would serve better than any nice picture.

      Why not delegate splash screens to a special daemon which can be decorated with skins, docked into the KDE/GNOME panel or just deactivated?

    9. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by nocomment · · Score: 0

      Actually something ore akin to the Mac's preferences file would probably work a lot better than a registry-type of system would.

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    10. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that there are cases when splash screens are annoying.
      However, as there are at least 4 separate categories of applications as spelled out by experts in the industry, and not all of them are what you do. Your statement that they are 'evil' seems is untrue.

      In the case of a device, for example, a robotic control system, having a touch-screen GUI that needs to boot, and in the case that this GUI will not be available for some seconds until the system makes all of it's connections and sets-up all of it's devices, the splash screen is a useful and necessary part of the system design.

      The clients who are using this control system don't use it or the touch screen for anything else. They are not provented from doing other useful things because if they need to do these then they do them at their desks on another machine. They shouldn't be surfing the web or playing hextris on that box. The box is for running robotic automation. They would be able to do these things if we did not prohibit it by using a splash screen. And using these toys (the browser or a video game) may actually be an unsafe thing to do with these machines. In actuallity, we didn't load the games on those boxes, but the browser was their.

      So, in all cases for all things splash screens are not 'evil'.

      Please reserve the word 'evil' for use with things that are actually problems hurting other people. Otherwise you cheepen the English language and spread paranoia and needless anxiety.

    11. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by Meostro · · Score: 1

      What do you have to search for? Keys related to any program will generally be stored in one of two places:

      HKLM\Software\(publisher)\(program name)
      or
      HKCU\Software\(publisher)\(program name)

      So my personal high scores for Hamsterball are stored in

      HKCU\Software\Raptisoft\Hamsterball

      Sometimes there are settings in both, one set is for LOCAL MACHINE (global) settings, the other is for CURRENT USER (custom) settings. If you have to search somewhere else to find your settings, the programmer screwed it up to start with, and having a flat file instead of the registry isn't going to fix that.

      Docstrings I can't help you with once something's in the registry, but if you have a .REG file that you want to document, put comments in by starting a line with ; and you can grep them back out when you need 'em.

    12. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      What about old type associations? Don't want to leave those pointing to an old location if you move the program.

    13. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the amiga system - env vars were PART OF THE FILESYSTEM.

      ENV: held the running environment variables

      ENVARC: held the environment that would be restored at reboot.

      Each preference dialog has "SAVE" and "USE".
      "USE" applied the preference - i.e. updated it in ENV:

      "SAVE" put it in ENVARC: and ENV:

      Obviously, the amiga was a single-user multitasking desktop system, rather than multiuser multitasking like linux. But once process-private filesystem namespaces with dynamic scope are available in linux, it would make sense to simply make the environment part of the filesystem in a similar manner.

    14. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by BigSven · · Score: 1

      You just need to start GIMP with the --no-splash command-line option to suppress the splash screen. Or better yet, edit gimp.desktop so it works when GIMP is started from the menu. Since GIMP supports startup notification, your desktop can do whatever it wants to do to inform you about the startup.

    15. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by DrJonesAC2 · · Score: 1

      What the hell is this "In Korea" thing? Did I miss the boat on the latest "In Soviet Russia..."?

    16. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by gnugnugnu · · Score: 1

      > The only good Splash Screen is a dead one.

      They do have a purpose though, they hide the fact the program takes forever to initialize


      Try using
      gimp --no-data --no-splash --no-fonts

      it is a whole lot faster but has some downsides

      Not preloading data (patterns gradients etc) will break some scripts
      Not preloading fonts will break some scripts.

      I have no idea why they think a slow startup is acceptable and do not wait to load thing on-demand when they are actually needed.
    17. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by magefile · · Score: 1

      It's a reference to a recent /. article that said that in Korea, email is mostly a senior-citizen thing, 'cuz youngsters generally use blogs/SMS/IM to communicate.

    18. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by KlaymenDK · · Score: 0

      Oh man!

      Now I went through ALL THAT TROUBLE to create my very own, personalized, all-original splash screen -- and then I can't get that infernal MoinMoin to give me a user account to upload it to the contest. Gah!

      And it was such a *lovely* 1x1px splash...

    19. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. I don't want a splash screen for something like a web browser which loads quickly, but for something like Photoshop, I find it helpful to have the splash screen to let me know that the program is, in fact, launching. It's even better when it shows progress information.

    20. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      Correction... keys to any program SHOULD be stored in those two places. Unfortunately, a lot of programmers (especially those who write malicious applications) love to hide those registry entries. I'm guessing you've never had to remove Norton Antivirus manually have you?

    21. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by T-Ranger · · Score: 0

      Not all of Linux, but there is gconf, which I can only assume the Gimp uses.

    22. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by WhiteDragon · · Score: 1

      I have tried to remove NAV / SAV manually. I removed all the files I could find, every registry key matching SAV, NAV, cc, norton, sym, etc. and still wound up with an un-installable and un-uninstallable setup of the software. This has happened to me on several machines.

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    23. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by jsitke · · Score: 1

      If you don't want the Gimp splash screen, just turn it off. I'd actually like to see what the artists come up with; I would hope it is a requirement that Gimp must be used to create the artwork.

    24. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by cluening · · Score: 1

      You must not start the GIMP much. Otherwise you would immediately know that the only reason the splash screen is there is to show you a progression as it starts up. It isn't there as a time waster, it doesn't keep you from working any longer than you would have to wait if it wasn't there. Having something pretty to see while it is telling you its startup progress is perfectly fine.

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    25. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by shufler · · Score: 1

      This is why the mouse cursor changes it's shape to indicate a program is being launched.

    26. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by bbc · · Score: 1

      Which is not enough feedback.

      (And for the few for whom it is enough feedback, GIMP provides a switch that will let you start without a splash.)

    27. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by eddeye · · Score: 1

      A splashscreen is like a commercial that grabs your head in a vice and holds your eyelids open with toothpicks. Open a normal window with normal window controls.

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    28. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by shufler · · Score: 1

      Yes, that very switch is what got this entire thread going. Someone said there is the --nospalsh switch, and someone else suggested then that all programs (I'm assuming with splash screens) should have that switch -- to standardize. I went further by suggesting making an environment variable which states you don't want the splash screen to display.

      And now we have come full circle.

    29. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by ArmorFiend · · Score: 1

      You just don't like them because they're chosen poorly.

      If more splash screens were pictures of women in skimpy bikinis they might become more popular with the geek community.

    30. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, you know, you could have taken as much time to research Gimp as you did to write your rant.

    31. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by JanneM · · Score: 1

      You just described gconf.

      And if a key in gconf don't have a documentation string, it's time for a bugreport, as all of them should have one.

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    32. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Xalf more or less does that, ie. indicate when a programm is just starting up:

      http://www.lysator.liu.se/~astrand/projects/xalf /

    33. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      Good, but not good enough. How do you know which process is causing the hourglass? The better solution if you are going to go that route, imho, is the way KDE has it set up. The icon of the program you opened bounces alongside the cursor. Even then, however, there isn't any real indication as to whether the process is running or if it might be frozen.

    34. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      Don't forget .Xdefaults. You can group things there (ie, aterm also uses xterm's settings)

    35. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by Trailwalker · · Score: 1

      Splash Screens can amuse.

    36. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by shufler · · Score: 1

      Normally when you click something with the mouse, and the mouse icon changes shape, it's indicitive of the object you just clicked.

      You cannot argue that the mouse icon changing doesn't let you know if the program is running or is frozen, without accepting that this is the case with splash screens at all. I'm sure enough people have lots of experience with any of the office products (Word and Outlook come to mind) displaying the splash screen, and then failing to respond.

      Again, the point comes back to knowingly disabling the splash screen. When you do this, you KNOW the splash screen isn't going to appear. It's a fact. If you think you've opened something, and nothing has appeared to happen after a reasonable amount of time, then chances are you didn't open it!

    37. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better to leave each app alone as their own island.

      "its own island".

    38. Re:My Favorite Splash Screen by WhiteDragon · · Score: 1

      Technical Information:
      Rnav2003.exe does not remove the following items:

      * The files or registry keys for the virus definitions
      * Subscription information
      * Entries in the Task Scheduler
      * Other shared files

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  2. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder how many submissions of the Goatse guy they'll recieve.

  3. GIMP Splash Screens by the_mighty_$ · · Score: 4, Informative
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  4. will my submisson get disqualified by hsmith · · Score: 5, Funny

    if i do it in Photoshop?

    1. Re:will my submisson get disqualified by jellomizer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I dont see why not. It is a lot easier to do these types of graphics in photoshop. Plus there seems to be more avenues of support as well.

      --
      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    2. Re:will my submisson get disqualified by TheSurfer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not if you re-save the file afterwards in The Gimp ;)

    3. Re:will my submisson get disqualified by xortw · · Score: 1

      No, but Photoshop can't open the xcf template.

    4. Re:will my submisson get disqualified by wheany · · Score: 1

      It's a moot point, since you won't have a chance against my submission.

    5. Re:will my submisson get disqualified by silicon-pyro · · Score: 2, Funny

      if I do it in M$ Paint?

      it sounded good in my head.

    6. Re:will my submisson get disqualified by selphish189 · · Score: 1

      screw photoshop, i used ms paint

    7. Re:will my submisson get disqualified by Mornelithe · · Score: 1

      It's good, but it could really use a few more lens flares.

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      I've come for the woman, and your head.

    8. Re:will my submisson get disqualified by Frogbert · · Score: 1

      No it will probably win.

      *ducks*

  5. How many windows? by nurb432 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How many windows can you have open when your desktop is just starting?

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    1. Re:How many windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is GIMP, not Gnome.

  6. Re:Better than a splash screen ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but but, how will all my important fonts be checked without a splash screen?

  7. BRING OUT THE GIMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Gimp's asleep

    Well I guess you better wake him up then

  8. Spash Archive by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Something I've liked in the past from compiling development versions of the Gimp are the development splash screens. Frequently containing giant photos of bugs (for squashing, obviously), fake news report screengrabs or some other warped aspects of the programmers' humour, they often show that programmer art isn't necessarily a bad thing.

    Although a couple of them were astoundingly crude - but I think that was intentional. :-)

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  9. Name change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since "pulp fiction", the name is a serious barrier to adoption.

    CinePaint is a reasonable name (but has generally fallen way behind GIMP proper). Can we have a reverse takeover like NeXT and Apple, with the CinePaint name (and remaining high-color features) but the main GIMP branch?

    1. Re:Name change by suso · · Score: 1

      Over-zealous parents and school teachers are a serious barrier to the adoption of anything in America.

      It is not a good reason to change the name simply because people can't accept that the words don't carry the meaning, but how you use them does. After all, check out the latest TV trailers for "Meet the Fockers" (Sequel to Meet the Parents). How can that be socially acceptable title (it may yet not be) and "The Gimp" not be?

    2. Re:Name change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't think the problem is necessarily the association with Pulp Fiction's character, 'Gimp' ... but rather that the word gimp actually means 'disabled'.

      Why not just call it:
      'NotAsGoodAsPhotoshop' and see if that helps the adoption. Using your logic, it shouldn't matter, as it's not the meaning the words currently have, but instead the ones you want to give them.

      Seriously, the name GIMP makes it sound like the software knows that it will make you unproductive and is warning you ahead of time.

      Disclaimer:
      I'm not saying that the GIMP actually is bad ... but the name makes it sound like it is.

    3. Re:Name change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going to discover a cure for AIDS and call it FagCure. It is not a good reason to change the name simply because people can't accept that the words don't carry the meaning, but how you use them does, right?

    4. Re:Name change by bbc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nobody is asking you to adopt the GIMP.

      Free software is often written to scratch an itch the programmers might have. So was the GIMP. If you can use it, fine; if you cannot, fine too.

      If you want to give it a different name, grab a copy off of cvs.gimp.org and distribute it under a different name. There's lots of people doing that on eBay. (Well, perhaps not lots, but both The GIMP and Project Gutenberg books have been sold on eBay under different names, presumably to draw attention away from the fact that you can get these items for free.)

    5. Re:Name change by grumbel · · Score: 1

      ### Free software is often written to scratch an itch the programmers might have. So was the GIMP. If you can use it, fine; if you cannot, fine too.

      Well, yes, of course, its Free Software so it has every right to suck and be unusable, but don't expect people to be praud of it or recomment it to their friends then. If Free Software should get a larger user base, which is something at least quite a lot of Free Software devopers want, they need to listen to their user base.

  10. And the winner is... by CodeWanker · · Score: 5, Funny

    Goatse! Goatse! Goatse!

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    1. Re:And the winner is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's the winner, everyone who sees the image while starting the program ends up losing it... ;)

    2. Re:And the winner is... by archen · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's one way to force development to get Gimp to load as fast as possible.

    3. Re:And the winner is... by ceeam · · Score: 1

      Fuck man, your sig is so fitting.

    4. Re:And the winner is... by Enrico+Pulatzo · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. The grandparent may want to consider rewording "Pacific Rim job."

    5. Re:And the winner is... by ptomblin · · Score: 1

      "Gimpse.cx" ISAGN.

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  11. YRO: They censor the images! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    I submitted a goatse.cx image and they turned it down. Who are they to think someone might not want that!

    1. Re:YRO: They censor the images! by ceeam · · Score: 1

      Well, it's a painting program. You can't just use arbitrary image. Something should tell that it's a painting program. Add brushes and pencils sticking out of it, I dunno... Be creative!

    2. Re:YRO: They censor the images! by ThJ · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. Funny!

  12. What's with the animated icon? by Xetrov · · Score: 4, Funny

    That animated topic icon sent me through a rollercoaster of emotions:

    1. I was scared - been playing Doom3 all day, I'm a bit jumpy
    2. Denial - I thought I imagined it
    3. Relief - I'm not crazy
    4. Disgust - I just wasted a few minutes of my life describing an emotional journey spawned by a few moving pixels on /.

    1. Re:What's with the animated icon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What animated icon?

    2. Re:What's with the animated icon? by CvD · · Score: 3, Informative

      Slashdot's topic icon for the GIMP is animated (the only animated icon). Watch his eyes. :-)

    3. Re:What's with the animated icon? by imroy · · Score: 1

      I thought the Tux icon was also animated. Don't his eyes move also?

    4. Re:What's with the animated icon? by bersl2 · · Score: 1

      When did this happen?

    5. Re:What's with the animated icon? by oexeo · · Score: 1

      > Slashdot's topic icon for the GIMP is animated (the only animated icon). Watch his eyes. :-) It's almost hypnotic ...

    6. Re:What's with the animated icon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't have known - I always disable GIF animation. It's so annoying!

    7. Re:What's with the animated icon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has Darl's eyes.

    8. Re:What's with the animated icon? by Reducer2001 · · Score: 1
      You forgot:

      5. ???
      6. Profit!

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    9. Re:What's with the animated icon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good question. I think it's new.

      I noticed it for the first time on this story, but before seeing it pointed out here.

      So that makes at least a few of us first noticed it now.

    10. Re:What's with the animated icon? by Ma�djeurtam · · Score: 1

      1. type about:config in the addressbar
      2. set image.animation_mode to none

      and, assuming of course you use FireFox,

      3. ...
      4. profit!

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  13. What would be better by oexeo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This competition is great, but maybe a "design GIMP a decent fucking GUI" contest would be better?

    1. Re:What would be better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this troll? it's a genuine on-topic point

    2. Re:What would be better by Fallingcow · · Score: 1

      Parent is a troll? Yeah, probably.

      Parent is correct? Yep.

    3. Re:What would be better by oexeo · · Score: 1

      I wasn't trolling, at least not intentionally. The GIMP (in my opinion) does have a very bad GUI, and this deserves far more focus, than the fairly irrelevant splash screen.

    4. Re:What would be better by Fallingcow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Eh, sorry then, just assumed it was. Posts like that on Gimp stories are usually trolls. In spite of that, I usually agree with them :(

      The Gimp GUI is on of the most crap-tastic ones I've ever seen. Sad, because it's a nice program, but I can never get anyone to use for any length of time because the GUI is so frustrating and non-intuitive.

    5. Re:What would be better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll add my 2c here in agreement.

      I started out in graphics with gimp. I had enough interest in pixelling to want to continue, to learn the roped and put up with the difficulties. I'd been TOLD that graphics was hard, and it was tedious indeed.

      Then I used Photoshop, ready to scoff at the proprietary solution costing so many thousands and doing no more than gimp. Within 2 weeks I'd gone out and bought photoshop because no matter how much you listen to someone else's experience with a program, there is nothing more revealing than using it yourself. Gimp feels nearly feature complete, but in the same way a large rock is feature complete with a set of six various sized hammers. When you need to hit something and do it right, the hammers let you do it exactly how you want to.

      Photoshop is a set of hammers.

    6. Re:What would be better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moderation: -1, Truth

      Note to those who would smugly comment that complainers "mysteriously quieted down" with the release of the 2.0 GUI: No, it still sucks.

    7. Re:What would be better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's just like saying that the Java people should work on building a language more like Python, instead of polishing Java. Just like some people like Java, some people think Gimp's GUI is better than Photoshop's, so please let them keep it.

      This whole debate/troll about Gimp's GUI is not about bugs or incompleteness, it's about choices that have been made. This GUI is not buggy, it doesn't lack important features, but they made the choice to not copy Photoshop, and that's what it's all about. Don't like these choices ? Fork it and make a Photshop-like GUI. But don't remove the ability to like Gimp from us.

    8. Re:What would be better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I find it quite good, what is the problem ? Is it the fact that the toolbar and the pictures are not contained in another big window that bothers you so much ? If that's the case, just use a separate desktop for Gimp, and give it a grey background, you won't notice the difference.

    9. Re:What would be better by oexeo · · Score: 1

      I'm not the parent, but one of my major issues is the lack of previews for filters, applying an un-sharp mask (as an example) to an image, with no preview box is extremely time-consuming, and a major issue in my opinion.

    10. Re:What would be better by DemENtoR · · Score: 1

      Bitch Bitch Bitch!

      Fix one thing, some one else will complain about something else (rember the font issues, now they are fine, so people just bitch other things X). I guess this is /. and everyone is an arm chair critic.

      Personaly, I find the UI fine for doing all the jobs that I need to get done (granted it's not a lot). I'm sure it could use a little more polish, since the 2 series you can link multiple windows into one anyways.

    11. Re:What would be better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may be fixed in Gimp 2.2, then

      http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/WhatsNew2

    12. Re:What would be better by Lalakis · · Score: 2, Informative

      The pending 2.2 release will add previews for most filters. Unsharp mask included... You can find a list of what's new in this release here.

    13. Re:What would be better by oexeo · · Score: 1
      That's just like saying that the Java people should work on building a language more like Python, instead of polishing Java. [...] This GUI is not buggy, it doesn't lack important features, but they made the choice to not copy Photoshop, and that's what it's all about.

      This is true with some features (or lack of), but others are just common sense usability, for example: GIMP's lack previews for most filters.

    14. Re:What would be better by oexeo · · Score: 1

      thanks, it's good to hear.

    15. Re:What would be better by Directrix1 · · Score: 1

      GIMP Tutorial:
      1) Create image
      2) Right click on image to do anything with it, or use shortcut key (which is shown in the right click menu)

      Done!

      They don't need to emulate photoshop. Just because you're too retarded to learn two different GUIs doesn't mean Gimp's interface is broken. I get everything done with it that I need, with no problems. Granted, they could use a little help with getting their plugins to all be parameterized and provide previews. Other than that Gimp works very well.

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    16. Re:What would be better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Is it really that hard, with GTK2, (which, after all, the GIMP folks should know pretty well), to change multiple document windows into one tabbed MDI window, and to make the tool windows dockable? People have been asking for a more standard GUI for YEARS now, and docking is the obvious solution if some people still want to maintain the old way.

    17. Re:What would be better by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's a difference between doing occasional jobs in Gimp and trying to use it professionally i.e. for 10 hours a day. I pity anyone who works for a company that refuses to pay for Photoshop and makes their employees use Gimp. The underlying engine in Gimp is probably good enough for a lot of work but the user interface is just plain horrible when compared to Photoshop.

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    18. Re:What would be better by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 1

      for example: GIMP's lack previews for most filters.

      Preview filters were job #1 on the UI hit list for Gimp 2.2. Almost everything has a preview now.

      If you would do a little teeny bit of research first, you could troll so much more effectively...

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    19. Re:What would be better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't need to emulate photoshop. Just because you're too retarded to learn two different GUIs doesn't mean


      Clearly the users are retarded for not understanding that the software is difficult to use, and we should all stop being retarded and learn to use assembler, or hex or binary ...

      If the program is hard to use it is a design failure. Once you start blaming the users you have already lost.
    20. Re:What would be better by oogoliegoogolie · · Score: 1

      Or when compared to Paintshop Pro, Ulead, etc, etc, etc. Gimp has the worst interface of almost any program, not just image editors. While they are at it, change the name too-calling a product GIMP is just plain stupid and childish.

    21. Re:What would be better by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      Did it ever occur to you that X still has a lot that needs fixing and that's why people are complaining all the time? For one thing, dual monitor support is kludgy at best. I don't want to see the desktop split accross the two like I have a single large monitor, and I don't want to fuss around for 3 days trying to get even that to work.

      I'm pulling for linux development just as much as the next person here, but if we're going to see linux on the desktop, then it needs to have those problems that people complain about fixed.

    22. Re:What would be better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lucky for us the users of GIMP don't give a shit about the whiny users of Photoshop, who more than likely pirated their version. what the fuck do people think free software is? is sure isn't welfare. no one makes free software for anyone but themselves.

      of course, the typical trashdot user today is so spoiled rotten and really doesn't give two shits about the people writing the software. give me give me give me give me give me give me

    23. Re:What would be better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hint: The users are not always right. If you assume that they are then you have already lost.

    24. Re:What would be better by BigSven · · Score: 2, Informative

      You should consider to setup X to have two screens then. GIMP supports this quite nicely and will remember on which screen you want it's windows to appear. It also allows you to move windows between the screens (which is a functionality that the WM should offer actually).

    25. Re:What would be better by arodland · · Score: 1

      No, Photoshop is a set of beautifully-painted rocks. GIMP is a set of very small hammers.

    26. Re:What would be better by bbc · · Score: 1

      Describe an intuitive GUI.

    27. Re:What would be better by FooBarWidget · · Score: 2, Informative

      I occasionally work in Gimp for about 4 hours a day. And no, the interface is not plain horrible.

    28. Re:What would be better by natrius · · Score: 1

      Does anyone want to explain why the number of people who bitch about this all the time isn;t directly proportional to the number of people who want to help fix it? If there's something you have trouble doing in the GIMP, why don't you email the devs explaining what you were trying to do and why you found it difficult? It doesn't take code to help a project.

    29. Re:What would be better by labratuk · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between doing occasional jobs in Photoshop whilst giving it a handjob and trying to use it professionally i.e. for 10 hours a day. I have used Photoshop professionally for 10 hours a day. It was the bane of my existance. I am glad to be able to use the Gimp when I'm at home.

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    30. Re:What would be better by jejones · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps a good first step towards that would be if people sharing that opinion would post something more informative and detailed than "GIMP UI sux0rs" and "Photoshop UI rules."

    31. Re:What would be better by Kristoffer+Lunden · · Score: 1

      Well, "Photoshop UI rules." is a pretty exact description of what you want, if that is in fact what you want.

      Not that the GIMP team will ever change the UI though, that much is clear from following the mailing lists - on the other hand, they probably shouldn't, because enough people want it to stay the way they are used to.

      What *should* be done is separating the UI real good and make it possible to start the GIMP in "photoshop mode" (or switch to) or whatever custom mode you like, then make those modes and maintain them. GIMP UI works for a select few, for most people it doesn't (including me). That really hurts, because I do run Linux and would like an image manipulation program I didn't have to fight. At the same time, I don't really use it enough to justify CrossOver Office... but maybe that will have to be the solution in the end. :-/

      Somehow, the GIMP way just does not work for many people even thoughthey actually use it much and give it the fair chance. For us, we need the possibility to have another UI on top.

    32. Re:What would be better by jejones · · Score: 1

      Agreed--decoupling GUI from the internal function so that one could insert one's GUI of choice would be a great thing to do, not just for GIMP but for many apps. But I still wish people would say more than just "GIMP's UI sucks" or "Photoshop's UI rules." If they stop there, I suppose they have the short-lived satisfaction of venting, but without specifics, how the [insert favorite expletive] do they expect GIMP to improve?

    33. Re:What would be better by BigSven · · Score: 1

      Sure. It should be possible to define an internal API to manage the docks and image displays. Different backends could then be written. Perhaps you want to work out a proposal or even prepare a patch? It would certainly be considered.

    34. Re:What would be better by Mornelithe · · Score: 1

      Maybe we could give it an interface like Photoshop Oh, wait; it already does look like that.

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    35. Re:What would be better by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Best part of it is when Gimp developer say something along the line of "We are not cloning Photoshop.", while its pretty obvious that it had at least some major inspiration from the Photoshop interface.

      Anyway, the point of improving the UI should really not be about getting it closer to Photoshop, the goal should be to make it simply good, if that means to move closer to Photoshop in some areas and further away from it in others, then so be it.

      One thing for example that is currently really lacking is a 'toolbar', that thing that you see at the top of the screen. In Gimp all functionallity that would normally be placed in such a toolbar (see Inkscape for example) is hidden in the 'Tool Options' dialog, which like all dialogs is floating wildly around on your screen and gets easily hidden under some window, a fixed placed toolbar would not. Might look like a simple thing, but playing 'hide and seek' with dialog windows is one of the things that make Gimp such a major pain. Things like having a button for automatically aranging dialog windows might of course help to. Oh well, there is a whole bunch of stuff that needs fixing, might be worth to start a Wiki for UI improvment ideas or so.

    36. Re:What would be better by Mornelithe · · Score: 1

      :) I don't disagree with you. It just pisses me off to read "Gimp should look like Photoshop" comments in every Gimp story, when they really mean "Gimp should look like Windows Photoshop." The Gimp does look like Photoshop on the platform which frequently touts its Photoshop prowess.

      Now, granted, The Gimp could probably use some interface tweaks, but there are tons of people who think making a big window and filling it with smaller windows is the holy grail of photo-editing UI design. Really, that's mostly a poor man's (Windows user's?) way of getting consistently placed menu and tool bars, which are better handled on the Mac, and to some degree, Linux (KDE can have consistently placed menus). Making your application manage its own virtual windows is not the right way to do it.

      Anyhow, I don't disagree with you. I just get annoyed by people who cream all over the Photoshop interface, while forgetting that on the Mac, where Photoshop originated, The Gimp looks more like Photoshop than their version of Photoshop does. What they're really asking for is for Adobe's 'hacks' to circumvent the way the Windows UI works to be reimplemented for the Gimp, rather than designing the underlying UI system to provide the appropriate features in the right way. That may be impossible on Windows, but on Linux, it's almost certainly better to do things The Right Way, and like it or not, Gimp on Windows is more of an afterthought than the main focus.

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  14. how about... by flacco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...one that says "*Still* only 8-bit color!"

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    1. Re:how about... by Lalakis · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Most people don't really need it, but more than 8-bit per pixel color is coming soon. Next release (2.4) will add color management capabilities and the one after that (3.0), planned for the next fall, will add higher bit depth, layer effects and pretty much everything you want (all that because of the GEGL library intergration).

    2. Re:how about... by Queuetue · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Could you point towards a roadmap for Gimp development? (And please tell me they are working to improve the text layer tools! :) )

    3. Re:how about... by imroy · · Score: 1

      ...or one that says "This one isn't for critics!" :)

    4. Re:how about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure most people don't need 8 bit color? Have you tried using the brush tool with a very small opacity setting in an 8 bit painting program? The results look terrible thanks to low precision numbers. Brushes of low opacity are useful for adding shadows and highlights to drawings.

    5. Re:how about... by Lalakis · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unfortunately, there isn't a formal roadmap at the moment for gimp 2.4, but you can find a lot of info about what you should expect from gimp 3.0. Look here and search google for more.

      What's the problem with text layer tools? Everyone seems very happy with them and you shouldn't expect a change anytime soon...

    6. Re:how about... by prandal · · Score: 1

      In the meantime, you can use CinePaint.

    7. Re:how about... by tepples · · Score: 1

      What's the problem with text layer tools?

      Where is the rotation, non-proportional stretching, or placement along a GIMP path?

    8. Re:how about... by Lalakis · · Score: 1
      Where is the rotation
      Choose the text layer and use the rotate tool.

      non-proportional stretching
      Use the Scale tool.

      placement along a GIMP path
      Choose "create path from text" from the text tool options.

      Sorry, I thought all these were very intuitive to find...

    9. Re:how about... by BigSven · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's coming. Text transformations are definitely on my list of things I want to do for 2.4. And now that Pango offers this functionality, it should actually be rather simple to implement.

    10. Re:how about... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Do you mean 8 bits per channel? I sure as heck 8 bits total isn't all GIMP can handle.

    11. Re:how about... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      I meant:

      I sure as heck hope 8 bits total isn't all GIMP can handle.

    12. Re:how about... by bbc · · Score: 1

      "What's the problem with text layer tools?"

      I am one of those mythical creatures that the hordes of Photoshop-copying trolls who visit every GIMP related thread on Slashdot do not believe in, somebody who uses the GIMP professionally on a daily basis (and not against my will).

      My biggest gripe with the text tool is if I move a text and then want to edit it some more, I need to select the text tool again, then click on the text layer, to be able to edit the text. (It takes two clicks, actually, but that may be a GTK+Win thing?)

      None of this is actually wrong, but it goes against my normal mode of operation.

      The first problem seems to be that where I click the text tool on the canvas, I expect to be the baseline of the text to be entered. The GIMP assumes it's the top of the bounding box. I guess this is not too bad; if I change font-size, it will grow away from or shrink towards the top of the bounding box. If you have to write text in a box, this may actually be quite handy.

      The second problem is that I assume text should be movable without the text tool losing focus. Perhaps there is a modifier key that will accomplish this?

      Also, whenever I want to pick a font, an error window pops up spewing out messages about missing fonts or some such. This is a GIMP for Windows thing I guess. Best location for those messages would be the Windows equivalent of /dev/null.

      Finally, GIMP 1.2 had a filter that allowed you to adjust letter spacing. I found that very useful: my web Arials and Verdanas look almost exactly the same as those of my Photoshop using colleagues, but the spacing is always a little bit off. Not being a Unix/Linux user, I wouldn't know how to compile the old Free Type plug-in.

    13. Re:how about... by BigSven · · Score: 1

      See. There are better places to write such a thing than on Slashdot. Lucky as you are, I have read it, but it was a lot more likely that I would have missed it. Since I am the one who wrote the new text tool, I am of course interested in such feedback. A lot of the things you mentioned above have been taken care of or there are plans to take care of them. If your feedback would have come up earlier, perhaps the text tool would be a lot better already. Perhaps you should consider not to waste your time with the trolls on slashdot but to join the gimp mailing lists, give us some feedback and help us to improve GIMP.

    14. Re:how about... by bbc · · Score: 1

      Ah, but I had talked with you about the letter spacing. This was shortly before the 2.0 release. Shortly after that release, I posted several bug reports and feature requests, but apparently you thought bugs.gimp.org was Slashdot, and started flaming me to a crisp. That's when I decided to post no more bug reports. Get back to me when you have completely withdrawn from bugs.gimp.org and let Dave and Raphael do all triage, because they are people persons.

      Anyway, I wasn't responding to you, nor was I reporting a bug or requesting a feature, nor was I trying to help and improve GIMP. As far as I am concerned, I have done my bit. I was merely replying to a poster who seemed incredulous that there were problems with the text tool (which has, indeed, come a long way since 1.2).

    15. Re:how about... by Random832 · · Score: 1

      > placement along a GIMP path

      Choose "create path from text" from the text tool options.


      This doesn't do what he asked for.

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    16. Re:how about... by Lalakis · · Score: 1
      I meant:

      While we are at it, I meant:
      s/pixel/channell/
      s/layer effects/adjustment layers/

  15. As they say... by slvi · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    in Korea, only old people splash.

    Oh wait.

  16. OpenOffice.org by Uukrul · · Score: 2, Informative

    OpenOffice.org it's seeking a new Splash Screen too. (Splashscreen for OpenOffice.org 2.0 Wanted
    One Splash Screen, two opportunities to win.

    And remeber to make it really evil.

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  17. A Plush Prize. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Submit your work and get the glory (there may be a small prize sponsored, too)."

    A Wilbur (The GIMP Mascot) plushie.

  18. ASCII Trolls by oexeo · · Score: 1

    The ASCII trolls can be on-topic for a change

  19. Java Programs Need Them by the_mighty_$ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, some splash screens are good for something. Think about Java programs that have to be runtime compiled, they usually take long times to load. In a case like that, a splash screen is extremely useful.

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    1. Re:Java Programs Need Them by eddeye · · Score: 1
      Actually, some splash screens are good for something. Think about Java programs that have to be runtime compiled, they usually take long times to load. In a case like that, a splash screen is extremely useful.

      You do NOT want a splash screen for this. Have it open a normal window right away with normal window controls -- goes to background, minimize, stays on one desktop. Splash screens prevent you from doing other work while the program starts. It's like a commercial that grabs your head in a vice and holds your eyelids open with toothpicks.

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  20. OpenOffice.org-Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since everyone's doing a Splash screen. How about one for Slashdot?

    "You've just loaded Slashdot. A picture of Rob Malda pops up showing hime eating a sandwich"

    1. Re:OpenOffice.org-Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a good one.

      link

  21. While they're at it... by jejones · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...could they also ditch the ghastly font the splash screen uses for "the gimp"?

    1. Re:While they're at it... by Deusy · · Score: 1

      I'm sure a good entry could adjust the font and still be accepted.

      Sadly, looking at the entries thus far there is a distincy lack of good entries... don't people realise that half the point of a splash screen image is to at least either represent or showcase the application in question?

      The current entries are all simply photographs slapped onto the template. What rubbish.

      I look forward to revisiting the wiki site in a few days when the real artists amongst the FOSS world have had a crack of the whip, rather than these wannabes are simply submitted an attempt for the sake of it. I would be aghast to learn if any of those intial attempts took more than 15 minutes. And I would doubt it if any of the authors could even seriously say his splash screen was good enough to be part of one of the premier FOSS applications.

      *unimpressed*

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  22. background load while using it would be nice by jago25_98 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd prefer to be able to use it while it loads the bigger things like plugins in the background.

    Waiting (about 30 seconds?) is a pain when you only want to edit an 16 pixel icon especially.

    p.s. aren't message boxes also awful too, interrupting work and stealing focus... oh, I had typed more but lost it all after gimp loaded up and changed focus while I was typing and looking at keyboard.

    1. Re:background load while using it would be nice by BigSven · · Score: 2, Interesting

      30 seconds? It's more like 5 seconds. The first startup is slow since all plug-ins need to be queried but this info is cached and subsequent startup is a lot faster.

      I do have some ideas though that would reduce the startup time further. Some of this might make into GIMP 2.4...

    2. Re:background load while using it would be nice by The+boojum · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you know it's bad when (X)Emacs starts up several times more quickly!

    3. Re:background load while using it would be nice by duggy_92127 · · Score: 2, Funny
      oh, I had typed more but lost it all after gimp loaded up and changed focus while I was typing and looking at keyboard.

      Quick fix: learn to type.

      (I kid.)

      Doug

  23. In Corea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GIMP is only used by the elderly

  24. Or you can steal one by Uukrul · · Score: 1

    Or you can steal one from other open source projects.
    OpenOffice.org license permits just do that, or it doesn't.

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  25. In this country by jasonbowen · · Score: 2, Funny

    first you get the splash screen... then you get the power... then you get the women

  26. [Windows] Programs Need Them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "Think about Java programs that have to be runtime compiled, they usually take long times to load. In a case like that, a splash screen is extremely useful."

    Or when you're installing, or starting up MS Windows.

  27. now with voting by Mach5 · · Score: 0

    FINALLY, slashdot is competing with fark for valuable photoshop market share

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  28. What would be better-Being On Topic for a change. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    However the story is about the Splash Screen, not your pet hates. If you really want an ontopic post? I suggest you get the GIMP guys to submit a "Hate the GIMP? Tell us more." story to Slashdot. Then you'll get all the +5 Insightfuls you can stand.

  29. WARNING: Gimp.org pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... are of "The Gimp" development splash screens.

    Gee what a bad name for a program, count they now call it something more professional.

    (NOT the Pro Gimp, or Gimp Pro)

  30. PARENT MOD SMOKED CRACK ! by mirko · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think the parent was off topic : this is Slashdot and there are trolls who may profit from this open Wiki page so, be sure there will be many flavoured submissions, including the goatse, tubgirl, lemon party, GNAA manifestoes...
    It's a serious question and even if it could be seen as either frightening or funny, I do NOT think it's off topic.

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    1. Re:PARENT MOD SMOKED CRACK ! by DemENtoR · · Score: 1

      Congrats fellow slashdoters, we are the biggest creep magnet on the net.

  31. Wait a minute! by scorpionsoft · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe the prize should be a free copy of the GIMP!!??

  32. Well, that explains why all I get is two dots. by Vengeance · · Score: 1

    I don't like animated gifs and such jumping around on my screen.

    Unfortunately, that means that /.s GIMP icon is just the eyeballs, and looks rather silly.

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  33. Wrong site? by pragma_x · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't this be a Fark photoshop contest instead?

    [Photoshop] - Create these guys a new splash screen. Decent farking GUI to follow.

    1. Re:Wrong site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  34. I'm hoping.. by schon · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm hoping that This guy enters - his work just screams "professionalism".

    1. Re:I'm hoping.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ouch; that is the vector art equivalent of goatse.

      (please, don't anybody actually post a link to a vectorized goatse...)

    2. Re:I'm hoping.. by G-funk · · Score: 1

      My eyes! The goggles do nussing!

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  35. My Favorite Splash Screen-GConf. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Gee, its too bad Linux doesn't have a single, consolidated tree-based system for storing type-specific environment variables. It would be handy for registryng such things."

    Like GConf?

  36. how about a better name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    photoshop sounds like what it does. Gimp sounds like someone on crutches. perhaps "better than crack" as a possible name

    1. Re:how about a better name by bbc · · Score: 1

      This is the third time you posted this today. It's getting old.

  37. What The Gimp really needs for professionals by SpamJunkie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...is a new name.

    Few management types are going to approve of using a BDSM-themed program no matter how free it is.

    The attempt at making a cute raccoon-like animal the mascot doesn't help. We all know that he's wearing nothing but leather and pain below the neck.

    1. Re:What The Gimp really needs for professionals by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1

      Management types aren't likely to admit that they know what BDSM even means... or that they spent nearly three and a half hours last night trying to download the latest installment of "Pain in the Ass."

    2. Re:What The Gimp really needs for professionals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I for one love the name.

      Sincerely,
      StraponSissyboymaid77

    3. Re:What The Gimp really needs for professionals by bbc · · Score: 1

      Ah, but does the GIMP need professionals?

    4. Re:What The Gimp really needs for professionals by KiloByte · · Score: 0

      Dunno, I've always preferred GDSM or SDSM, it's much easier to just eat the first black dragon...

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  38. Or my all-time favorite... by thegnu · · Score: 1

    pornview.

    I wish I had thought of that. And knew how to code. I've of course never used pornview because I view my pr0n in feature film version. And on DVD. Because when you cheat the adult industry, you're really only cheating yourself.

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  39. I can't wait to submit by alta · · Score: 1

    This is so exciting, I'm going to fire up my copy of photoshop right now and make them a great splash screen! ;)

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  40. Gimp and SATAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I once had an interview for a job once, it later transpired that they only wanted to see me as I have 'The GIMP' and 'SATAN' mentioned on my CV :-)

    Didn't get the job & didn't want it after that anyway!

  41. How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "See! Programmers can design GUIs!"

  42. Contest.Gimp.org by grumbel · · Score: 1

    When I think about contests and Gimp, I think about
    http://contest.gimp.org/. Was a lot of fun browsing through the entries and submitting work. To bad its now defunc since 1999. Even so its long gone I kind of still miss it, always makes me think of good old times, I guess I am just getting really old...

  43. Build it into a kernel and boot it from ROM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Here are some other ideas to make it fast, have it boot from a ROM.

    Compile it into a kernel.
    Have a special version that is just for that.
    Have this version built and configured just for a tablet type PC.
    Have this device just boot and laod GIMP.

    It would have a network connection so you could get the stuff off of it.
    It would be cheep enough that you could give one to every school child.

    It would just be The Gimp, as a hand-held.

    To administer it you would ssh to it on a closed network.

    Sounds like a product to me.

    Don't know why no one is already doing this.

  44. Payola by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    I think the splash screen should say.

    'Want this application to load faster?, click here to donate'

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  45. How about a logo contest by bcarl314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean really, what is that brown pointy haired beast anyway? Is it a rat, or some twisted BSD ripoff?

  46. Why not fix every non-MDI application? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rather than writing code that would just "fix" their own program, perhaps the GIMP folks should add proper virtual desktop support to Windows, and thus fix this problem for every single "non-standard" application which doesn't try to make up for the shortcomings of bad window managers.

    1. Re:Why not fix every non-MDI application? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, to most people, docking is ideal, so unless your suggesting we have a window manager that docs multiple windows into one MDI application, that won't work. And if you are, GIMP would need to be changed to support it anyway.

  47. What would be better-A Reality Check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "There's a difference between doing occasional jobs in Gimp and trying to use it professionally i.e. for 10 hours a day. I pity anyone who works for a company that refuses to pay for Photoshop and makes their employees use Gimp."

    There's two flaws with this argument.

    1) Most (if not all) the complaints are from Windows users.

    2) There are OTHER programs (Payware, Shareware, Freeware) beside the GIMP, or Photoshop on the Windows platform.

    So anyone who wants to RUN WINDOWS, BE CHEAP, and USE A DRAWING PROGRAM. Can have what they want without even knowing the GIMP exists.

    Jeez! I think you all simply grep for GIMP stories, and complain, just so you can have something to do with your free time.

    1. Re:What would be better-A Reality Check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "1) Most (if not all) the complaints are from Windows users."

      Maybe the reason for this is that OSS software users are used to dealing with programs with crappy user interfaces and accepting it as part of the cost.

      If someone writes software to sell, there's incentive to at least attempt to make it straightforward to use. If someone writes software for their own use, they already know how it works and trying to make it easy for other people to use isn't as obviously important to them.

    2. Re:What would be better-A Reality Check. by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      Eh? Gimp isn't a drawing program. There are plenty of drawing programs but not packages that do what Photoshop and Gimp do. And I'm talking about graphics professionals. These are people who use Windows, Macs and in many cases came from a Unix background years ago (eg. SGIs). I don't think I've ever complained about Gimp online before and I really don't know what you are talking about and what is the matter with you.

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  48. And put the progress bar where? by tepples · · Score: 1

    A status bar or a progress window would serve better than any nice picture.

    GIMP for Windows already has a progress bar and status display below the splash screen. If you propose to eliminate the splash screen entirely, then where on my Windows display do you propose to put the progress bar, if not in a window with the splash screen? Would you suggest the Taskbar Notification Area (commonly called "tray")?

    1. Re:And put the progress bar where? by lubricated · · Score: 1

      Yes gimp already as a progress bar. Once this progress bar reaches the end, the program isn't started, instead the scrollbar starts over. When it gets to the end again it starts over. It repeats quite a few times. This progress bar doesn't exactly show progress just shows that something is going on.

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    2. Re:And put the progress bar where? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Once this progress bar reaches the end, the program isn't started, instead the scrollbar starts over. When it gets to the end again it starts over. It repeats quite a few times.

      However, the word above the progress bar cycles through a fixed list of about three or four names, giving people a relative idea of how much overall progress the startup has made after a couple times watching it start. Yes, I know what scene of Office Space you're all thinking of.

  49. Something tells me by Run4yourlives · · Score: 1

    that the parent poster already knew that.

    It was probably the sarcastic tone, but perhaps I've got esp.

  50. My submission by ZackSchil · · Score: 4, Funny

    I made this submission but it was rejected outright.

    My Splash Screen

    1. Re:My submission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad to see your serial number.... Maybe I will use that to make my splash screen.

    2. Re:My submission by sapped · · Score: 1

      I can see why. On your splashscreen the copyright expires in 2003. Tsk. Fix that minor little detail up and I am sure you will be in the door.

    3. Re:My submission by ZackSchil · · Score: 1

      Shhhhh!!!

  51. Well... by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Is it ok if I make it in Photoshop?

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  52. Microtek keeps me on Windows by tepples · · Score: 1

    So anyone who wants to RUN WINDOWS, BE CHEAP, and USE A DRAWING PROGRAM.

    Replace "RUN WINDOWS" with "RUN THE DRIVER FOR HIS EXISTING FLATBED SCANNER WHICH IS MARKED UNSUPPORTED IN SANE'S HARDWARE LIST" and you have a more accurate depiction of some people's problems with Free operating systems. Microtek keeps me on Windows by not releasing wire-level specifications for the Scanmaker 4850, which I bought before I wanted to try Linux.

  53. how about a better name-MoneySink. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "photoshop sounds like what it does."

    Well the original name was too much truth in advertising.

  54. What would be better-A methodology Check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If someone writes software to sell, there's incentive to at least attempt to make it straightforward to use. If someone writes software for their own use, they already know how it works and trying to make it easy for other people to use isn't as obviously important to them."

    Please feel free to do one of the two.

    1) Adopt a GIMP developer. Pay them a salary.

    2) Donate money to the cause.

    You don't like the OSS methodology, then you're more than welcome to go back to the Windows one.

    I'd ask why you even left to begin with?

    1. Re:What would be better-A methodology Check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm just offering an alternative explanation to your "windows users are the only ones complaining" statement from the usual "WINDOZE USARS ARE RETARDED@!!!!!" implication.

      Some of it may just be that they expect more given what they're used to dealing with. I'm sure Mac users would expect just as much (some would argue more)

  55. Facial Screen? by blantonl · · Score: 1

    I wonder if a facial screen would make the cut as a splash screen?

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  56. 8 bits ought to be enough for anyone! by alarch · · Score: 1

    8 bits ought to be enough for anyone!

    --joking. i agree that the 8bit only issue is the worst problem of the Gimp. It has better GUI than Photoshop (I have an experience with both of them), it is very good indeed, but 8bits makes me sometimes launch Cinepaint, which I do not like. However, it will be better soon, I hope!

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    1. Re:8 bits ought to be enough for anyone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has a better GUI than Photoshop? That's a matter of opinion, and in this case, your opinion is wrong.

      End of story.

    2. Re:8 bits ought to be enough for anyone! by alarch · · Score: 1

      better GUI than windows photoshop, to be specific. photoshop for windows has f***ing MDI interface, which is not suitable for serious work

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  57. customizable splash by michaelbuddy · · Score: 1

    I think they should set gimp to look in the app folder for splash.png. If it can't find it, it ignores a splash. Allow anyone to replace the .png file with their own splash screen.

    much easier, instead of -no splash, just delete or move the .png graphic somewhere else.

    this way we can have a contest winner, and all the losers can still see their graphic in the gimp. Splash screens are cool at leaast for the very first startup because they remind you you have new shiny program.

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  58. What BDSM theme? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I have to assume that the only place you've heard the word used before is in Pulp Fiction. According to ^L dict gimp:

    gimp n. Slang

    1. A limp or a limping gait.
    2. A person who limps.

    Or GNU Image Manipulation Program. Either way, not as unprofessional as people would have us believe.
    1. Re:What BDSM theme? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Or GNU Image Manipulation Program.

      I've always liked GIMP Is My Photoshop. It explains what it is (to those who know what photoshop is) and its recursive to boot!

  59. Re:What would be better-A Reality Check.-II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Eh? Gimp isn't a drawing program. There are plenty of drawing programs but not packages that do what Photoshop and Gimp do."

    And just what do you think Corel Paint is? Let alone the rest of the suite. There's plenty of other examples of professional software out there.

    "And I'm talking about graphics professionals. These are people who use Windows, Macs and in many cases came from a Unix background years ago (eg. SGIs)."

    Graphics profesionals aren't using the GIMP, or any other low end software to begin with. Yours is a strawman argument.

    "I don't think I've ever complained about Gimp online before and I really don't know what you are talking about and what is the matter with you."

    Most complainers don't know what they're talking about. Your argument is based on a fallacy (that graphics profesionals working for a cheap boss will be saddled with the GIMP). I just pointed out that Windows users have (and have had for years) programs that run the gamut in both price and features that will satisfy any graphics professional. There's no need to even be aware that the GIMP exists (what did you all complain about before the GIMP?). Don't like me poking holes in your argument? Tough, come up with better arguments.

  60. Re:Fristy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Absolutely

  61. from gimp.org/about/splash by alarch · · Score: 1

    The GIMP allows you to make your own splash screen and have that as startup splash instead of the one that comes with the archive. To do this you can simply follow the guidelines below.

    * Make the splash 300x200 or more. (Smaller splashs will make text being cut off)
    * Then save the splash in $PREFIX/gimp/2.0/images/gimp_splash.png
    * Starting with GIMP 2.2, the splash image is called gimp-splash.png and will also be searched in your personal GIMP directory (~/.gimp-2.2/).

    Restart GIMP and your splash screen should be the one being used by GIMP instead of the one from the archive.

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  62. And for *editable* text layers? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Choose the text layer and use the rotate tool.

    Which destroys editability.

    Use the Scale tool.

    Which destroys editability.

    Choose "create path from text" from the text tool options.

    Which destroys editability.

    If GIMP supported adjustment layers, it would be possible to rotate and non-proportionally scale text by attaching adjustment layers to text.

    1. Re:And for *editable* text layers? by Lalakis · · Score: 1
      If GIMP supported adjustment layers, it would be possible to rotate and non-proportionally scale text by attaching adjustment layers to text.

      You have to wait for gimp 3.0 for that to happen. It's a general issue and not a text tool specific one.
      If you don't want to just wait, you can help in the development :)

  63. MOD UP PARENT! by mustangdavis · · Score: 1

    MOD UP PARENT!

    That is a great splash page - I'd never guess why they threw it out!?!?!? :)

  64. GPL issue by JoeBuck · · Score: 1
    The contest page says that the entries must be available under a GPL license. I hope everyone remembers that the GPL requires source to be provided, and that "source" is defined as the preferred form form making modifications to the work. For GIMP-produced images, the source is clearly the .xcf file. That means that either the .xcf file has to always accompany the .png or .jpg version, or at least be on the same FTP or web site, or else there has to be an offer, good for three years, to give the .xcf file to anyone who has the .png or .jpg file. Sharing only the .png file would be like sharing only the binary for a GPLed program.

    For many purposes, GPLed images are a pain in the ass because of this requirement. On the other hand, if the GIMP developers want the splash image to serve as a tutorial, this mignt be exactly what they want to require. In that case, they might want to give bonus points to splash images with really nicely organized .xcf files.

    1. Re:GPL issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what nonsense. incase you have forgotten, The GIMP is bitmap-based. PNG is bitmap-based and editable. one could create just a PNG file and use no xcf. GPL does not even apply to images anyhow, even if that's what the page says. It's *wrong*. GPL is strictly limited to source code of programs. What they really mean is in the spirit of GPL.

  65. Re:Registry vs. RC/INI by Meostro · · Score: 1

    They're supposed to be there, but if they're not, it doesn't make a difference how they're organized. Would you rather search every key in the registry (mine's about 10MB), or search the contents of every file on the disk to find your hidden settings?

    As far as malicious apps go, that's why I have AdAware and HijackThis, along with StartupList. I think it's ridiculous that there are something like 50 different places that you can inject a program on Windows startup (run StartupList /complete to list them), but again, it doesn't matter how it's organized, it would be equally as ridiculous - but harder to manage - if it were spread across 50 different files instead of just 45 keys and 5 files.

    Do you consider NAV to be malicious? =) And dear god no, I'd never remove it by hand. Why would you do such a thing? If it comes down to it, I'd reinstall over the current incarnation and uninstall the new one, or kill the folder, remove all the startup entries and hope it still boots. I've never had a problem just uninstalling AVs if the system was stable, and if it wasn't I usually had bigger problems that could only be solved by FORMAT and the like.

    AV software is inherently tricky, since it usually hooks several APIs and specifically would NOT want to let itself be removed. I'm glad it is that way, otherwise the next virus to come along could just trash the INI file and force a reboot, and then my computer would be wide open to anything else coming down the pike. That'd be pretty darn useful AV, eh?

  66. Re:WARNING: Gimp.org pictures by bbc · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You've made your point elsewhere in this discussion, no need to repeat it all the time.

  67. Double Entendre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's just something about this one ... I just can't quite put my hand on it ...

  68. A serious question about Gimp. by SharpFang · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Let me put it simply: Airbrush sucks. I need something better.
    The task is preparing gray-to-heightmap images from photos for later 3D engraving using a CNC engraving machine. I "spray" more white using airbrush where the image in the background is higher, leave dark where the bottom should stay deep. The effect is very neat for small details or simple shapes. But it really sucks when it comes to large areas. The fact that the output is slightly grainy is not that bad - a single pass of blur and the "grains" are gone. Much harder is achieving bigger smoothly curved surfaces - just try to spray a regular flat gray area (using white), it's just as hard as to get a smooth gradient - you get low-depth, several pixels wide depressions, bumps etc that are very hard to remove.
    Regular "gradient" is not an option either - I need shapes much more sophisticated than regular "spherical" or "shapeburst" - maybe something like Bezier curved gradients could help...?

    Any ideas, suggestions?

    (no, don't suggest Photoshop. It does exactly the same.)

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    1. Re:A serious question about Gimp. by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a job where 'blending' might be usefull, something that most vector graphics programm support, ie. pick to shapes and morph one into the other:

      http://www.webreference.com/graphics/column28/ar t/ free12.gif

      Sketch would be a linux app that can do it.

  69. My Nomination by douthat · · Score: 1

    My vote goes to this gem

    All in favor? Say "eye"

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  70. All of them! by cocoa+moe · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess even hardcore artists wouldnt fire up GIMP when the windowmanager starts up. Emacs could have a splash screen though. Wait - It does!

    That's the proof! VI may be e(vi)l but Emacs is worse.

  71. lol by comet69 · · Score: 0

    hahaha.. they definitely didn't say you had to use The Gimp to actually make the graphic..

    *ponders*

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  72. wow.. you add nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what a looser.

  73. What about OpenOffice.org by standing_still · · Score: 0

    OpenOffice.org is also having a contest for a new splashscreen for vers. 2. Why doesn't slashdot post for them...???

  74. Python Upgrade by imbezol · · Score: 1

    I guess there's no way they could have known the Python upgrade story was coming next. :)

    gimp.org screenie

  75. Here's mine by ICECommander · · Score: 2, Funny
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  76. Yeah! by SynapticPlasticity · · Score: 0

    My vote is for Bush!

  77. What is it that people don't like about the GIMP? by dpol · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The GIMP seems to be the project that Slashdot users love to hate. People go on and on about the horrendous user interface, yet fail to back this up with anything substantial. Why all the hostility toward the GIMP? If you hate the interface, what is it about it that you don't like?

    I, for one, can't really see what people dislike so much about the project. The application was perfectly usable before 2.x, yet got a huge boost when 2.0 was released. The GIMP has done the most of any project when it comes to building new widgets on top of the GTK toolkit.

    The GIMP is no Photoshop. It doesn't have adjustment layers, color management, the healing brush, all the cool plug-ins for digital photographers that Photoshop CS introduced, and lots of other features. Photoshop is a remarkable application, there's no question about it, but the GIMP is eminently usable -- it's a remarkable project, and it is making great strides.

    So the next time, if you feel the need to complain, please try to be a little bit more specific and use less inflammatory language.

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  78. Why not include more than one splash? by muadist · · Score: 1

    There are so many good entries already. Why not choose many of them and have the the gimp load a different splash every time it starts? It would be interesting, for sure.

    1. Re:Why not include more than one splash? by mrb000gus · · Score: 1

      agreed - I was about 2 suggest that! Think the votes should change to a thumbs-up or thumbs-down for each picture, and all the overall thumbs-up's go into the final product (unless there's so many it makes for noticeably bigger download size of course).

  79. ....or.... "Write a better loader" (-: by leonbrooks · · Score: 1
    ...or... "Contribute a background preloader"

    ...or... "Join our load-on-demand project"

    ...or... (the MS version) "TFB, you get what you get".

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  80. Re:What is it that people don't like about the GIM by grumbel · · Score: 1
    ### People go on and on about the horrendous user interface, yet fail to back this up with anything substantial.

    You must be reading another slashdot then I am, while its true that there is a bunch of flaming without facts, the facts itself (floating windows, confusing menu, lack of preview, lack of brushes, lack/obscure/unusable drawing primitves, etc.) get repeated over and over again with every mentioned of slashdot, so its pretty obvious why people just leave them out from time to time.

    ### If you hate the interface, what is it about it that you don't like?

    Look for example here and thats just a few of the things that are wrong with Gimp.

    ### So the next time, if you feel the need to complain, please try to be a little bit more specific and use less inflammatory language.

    Well, people have critised the same issues for like five years and things on the Gimp side havn't been much improved at all, sure a little bit fine tuning here and there, but the major issues are still unresolved and nobody of the Gimp developers really seems to care. And well, add to that, that constantly people come and say 'well, you just have to get used to it' while the critics often use Gimp for many many years, its no wonder they get a bit annoyed.

  81. Re:Registry vs. RC/INI by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

    I have seen antivirus software suffer from a corrupted installation many times on newly formatted clean installations of windows. Often, it won't allow itself to be uninstalled automatically when this happens. This means that either you spend the time and wipe the system again or you figure out how to remove the software manually. Symantec should have made things easier with regards to removing the software manually. There's no reason to consider a sort of second line of defense. If a virus gets past your virus protection software, you can be 90% sure it's going to cripple it at the same time anyway.

  82. HOw about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead of wasting time on pointeless bullshit like a 'splash screen'. Re-write The gimp from the ground up, and make the UI something which is WORTHWHILE and USABLE - Like for example, Paint Shop Pro.

    GIMP is a JOKE. I'm disappointed this is considered 'the best' of open sores software.

  83. +1 for the bush photo by subStance · · Score: 1

    This will never win, but I hope they include it as an option in the final download.

    http://live.gnome.org/static/CarlCarlson.png

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  84. Beware! This is just a trap! by Zangief · · Score: 1

    Because they want to trap the idiots that make those stupid splash screens, lure them with prizes and promises of untold fame, and kill them!

    Splash Screens sucks.
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    1. Re:Beware! This is just a trap! by Tech · · Score: 1

      Because they want to trap the idiots that make those stupid splash screens, lure them with prizes and promises of untold fame, and kill them! Splash Screens sucks.

      Oh my gosh, please please let this be true. I've lost count of the number of programs I've had to hack to get rid of the stupid splash screen. What do they think people go randomly clicking on icons to see what program starts up?