A wide adoption of a mesh over a large area would become an interesting case study. I think Open mesh works with wired connections too. In any case, re-thinking the architecture so it's owned by people is a great initiative, obviously there's much that can be improved. But once you measure Mbps with Tor, where you can actually publish whatever you want, suddenly limited-bandwidth Open-Mesh roofnet becomes useful. Security and privacy of course becomes a real challenge, but it already is pretty bad with the government-and-corporate-managed Internet.
It's amazing the number of people who cannot understand what kind of outfits a business person will take seriously. I've seen people with spiky hair, piercings and tatoos all over, and baggy/ripped/faded outfits unable to comprehend how someone could not take them seriously.
I didn't want to figure it out for years, and could never work in IT. Finally I accepted if I wanted to work for "the system", I needed the right costume, got a #!@*! suit, and got a programming job.
Then I got a job where the bosses dressed worse than everyone. Then I never got another job. Now I'm working on how to work each time less.
I'm not looking for a damn paycheck, I'm looking for a civilization where life is worthwhile.
I could care less about the dress code, I want to see the money laundering policy, and the code to detect it.
But I have a feeling it says something like "Monkey no see, monkey no hear, monkey no say", in elaborate legalese, in 38 separate policies, procedure manuals, and legal/sales dept coordinated recommendations, totaling 4392 pages of policy. They surely have huge conflicts in whose dirty money they see or inform on, and whose they don't.
The modern-fad "doomsday clock" would perhaps be inspired after the nuclear-war doomday clock, counting how close to implosion Wall St gets. In any case, it's neared midnight a number of times now. People like apocalypse clocks. doomsday clock, US Debt clock, ipv6 countdown clock. Impossible to tell how many fear and how many hope for a "Wall St Doomsday" -- but a clock just counts time.
All this fighting among activists only helps the established powers. I think many people would agree on the issues to fight for with some more patient, calm discussion of them. It's necessary to stick to the central, universal issues, and leave aside the minor details and issues. I think the central issue, which many can fit their flag with, is violence - all forms of violence, including economic exploitation, religious intolerance and exclusion, racial violence and discrimination, as well as sexual, moral and psychological violence. Ideas from the humanist movement. In the case of Wikileaks here, many of those forms are being used against them.
Actually any kind of undercover work ideally should go undetected. Turning off a computer doesn't at all. Plus, the motherboard would just be replaced with little actual loss to the target. Penetration, sabotaging its operation, distorting expected results, with no apparent cause, is more like what they'd like. Perhaps this has other undocumented features, such as some sort of backdoor. That would be useful for the spooks, for undercover, sabotage type deals.
Not a problem at all. It comes with a big label on it that says "FOR USE BY UNITED STATES ENEMIES ONLY - MADE IN CHINA". Then again, nobody quite knows what the hell does that mean.
"complications" are what the interested businesspeople tell someone to tell the politicians to tell the media to tell you the reason is for war. But apart from the justifications fogging people's minds, their blind belief in fundamentalist -isms, be it confucianism, catholicism, protestantism, islamism, or fundamentalist capitalism, after all is said and done, that is all talk, and then, someone kills and someone dies, someone destroys and someone is destroyed. But don't listen to me - you can be a Believer of the Great Ideal - whichever ideal you want. Then you can help kill people, be a hero too, and be paid and respected for it. You kill all the same.
If you spend six months organizing 10,000 marchers down Times Square in nyc you might get less media attention than these guys. Sad thing is, not only these kids are attracted to violence, the media and the readers are too. Not to mention the establishment. Planning meaningful action that does not involve these things is not easy.
not unless if you claim your machine has hijacked and you were not aware of it.
are they going to fine/jail everyone?
Most likely they will just join IRC, forums and mailing lists just like everyone, see who's coordinating the actions, and go after them. I would like to know how their servers are set up, what IP address, country, proxies, etc. If there's any running inside Tor, it's a bit of test of Tor trackability.
Is there any proposal of more advanced planned joint actions? I just dont think attacking websites and fax machines is that effective, and from your own home not terribly smart. There has to be some mass coordinated action that is both more efficient, and perhaps less legally punishable.
Just widely publish facts. That's what Wikileaks does. Just google some money laundering news or other similar "services" numerous financial mammoths offer regularly, publish them to many more places, and you'll do much more lasting damage than a bunch of packets for a couple of hours.
Someone has to to teach these kids that corporations are more worries more about teh bad publicity, than the broken websites. You're not breaking the law by widely re-publishing the truth, it can be done easily, and you can actually use Tor for that, respecting netiquette and all.
Now let's have some analysis of how many ways this data gets abused, but really abused. Like screening employees based on browsing habits, tracking opposition groups and members, what the hell can *really* be done with this stuff, and how easy/how much is it to gain access to the data you want.
Yes but this concept that "humanity will perish" or "national security will collapse" or "the economy will collapse" if oil just disappeared is pretty pathetic, but apparently effective for the many people who grew up hearing about the rapture, the apocalypse and all that. Humanity has overcome quite a few much greater challenges. Replacing oil power will not exactly be the end of civilization.
IMHO.... Guy-Fawkes-Anonymous guys should get smart, read, and analyze what they're getting into. Bombing parliament-type strategies might have been considered standard revolution practice when Fawkes was around (and make great movie scripts), but now it seems pretty widely considered counterproductive and obsolete. It seems that real wars now take place at the level of espionage, corruption, media manipulation, and legal-political cheating. Which is why WikiLeaks is effective. Violence is still widely used, but it has to be either covert, blamed on the other guys, or joined with public manipulation to justify it. Generally with some argument that's if for a "greater good" - preferably killing the bad guys, if not possible some non-verifiable non-visible concepts such as "protecting democracy", "national interests". But just using violence without those is hard to justify anymore. I think that strategy of militancy, and even for the military, is pretty much gone. Governments still use it because they can - they have greater firepower, and media power. But still, they always run the risk of creating even greater opposition, so try to hide/justify it.
Anonymous managed to get a lot of people, and they are aggressive and have guts, but it would be much smarter for them to help wikileaks, and risk themselves, to get what wikileaks needs - quality documents. A temporary disruption of web service does little, and in exchange for getting labeled "violent terrorists" and all that nonsense, showing up on the police radars, etc, doesn't seem like a good deal. Wikileaks got recognized - and attacked - because it does something smart, very relevant, and not easy to stop or attack. The best help would be at the same level.
Author of the story will not give a city for this church. Never mind a phone and address. He mentions "producing" another story about a church of google celebrating communion with coca cola. So, it seems safe to confirm it is all false news, going around the world, getting people indignant at Brazilians and poor, religious, uneducated people, There's enough sordid news in the world that only a few people know what to do about, no need to invent fake stories for shock value, losing credibility. Shocking is that all kinds of blogs and news sites are publishing it, drawing thousands of negative comments.
In Soviet Russia, we had gross government propaganda. Now, in Free Capitalist America, we have access to much better, and more refined marketing techniques. And it's all you can eat!
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A wide adoption of a mesh over a large area would become an interesting case study. I think Open mesh works with wired connections too. In any case, re-thinking the architecture so it's owned by people is a great initiative, obviously there's much that can be improved. But once you measure Mbps with Tor, where you can actually publish whatever you want, suddenly limited-bandwidth Open-Mesh roofnet becomes useful. Security and privacy of course becomes a real challenge, but it already is pretty bad with the government-and-corporate-managed Internet.
I'd vote for Indymedia, 2600, Wikileaks, Pirate Bay, Pirate Parties International, the EFF, FSF, and cDc communications to regulate the Internet. And Open Meshshould be the direction of growth. Ok then, we aren't going to get to coordinate "The Internet", we'll settle for The ParallelNet. There's enough geeks for it.
Once the routers and cabling run over neighbors houses and not through companies and governments, we'll have a public internet.
It's amazing the number of people who cannot understand what kind of outfits a business person will take seriously. I've seen people with spiky hair, piercings and tatoos all over, and baggy/ripped/faded outfits unable to comprehend how someone could not take them seriously.
I didn't want to figure it out for years, and could never work in IT. Finally I accepted if I wanted to work for "the system", I needed the right costume, got a #!@*! suit, and got a programming job.
Then I got a job where the bosses dressed worse than everyone. Then I never got another job. Now I'm working on how to work each time less.
I'm not looking for a damn paycheck, I'm looking for a civilization where life is worthwhile.
I could care less about the dress code, I want to see the money laundering policy, and the code to detect it.
But I have a feeling it says something like "Monkey no see, monkey no hear, monkey no say", in elaborate legalese, in 38 separate policies, procedure manuals, and legal/sales dept coordinated recommendations, totaling 4392 pages of policy. They surely have huge conflicts in whose dirty money they see or inform on, and whose they don't.
The modern-fad "doomsday clock" would perhaps be inspired after the nuclear-war doomday clock, counting how close to implosion Wall St gets. In any case, it's neared midnight a number of times now. People like apocalypse clocks. doomsday clock, US Debt clock, ipv6 countdown clock. Impossible to tell how many fear and how many hope for a "Wall St Doomsday" -- but a clock just counts time.
All this fighting among activists only helps the established powers. I think many people would agree on the issues to fight for with some more patient, calm discussion of them. It's necessary to stick to the central, universal issues, and leave aside the minor details and issues. I think the central issue, which many can fit their flag with, is violence - all forms of violence, including economic exploitation, religious intolerance and exclusion, racial violence and discrimination, as well as sexual, moral and psychological violence. Ideas from the humanist movement. In the case of Wikileaks here, many of those forms are being used against them.
Unless you are going after Iran or Wikileaks.
Actually any kind of undercover work ideally should go undetected. Turning off a computer doesn't at all. Plus, the motherboard would just be replaced with little actual loss to the target. Penetration, sabotaging its operation, distorting expected results, with no apparent cause, is more like what they'd like. Perhaps this has other undocumented features, such as some sort of backdoor. That would be useful for the spooks, for undercover, sabotage type deals.
Not a problem at all. It comes with a big label on it that says "FOR USE BY UNITED STATES ENEMIES ONLY - MADE IN CHINA". Then again, nobody quite knows what the hell does that mean.
I've never heard that SUVs were particularly unsafe before. Just out of curiosity which type of vehicle is safer?
Think it's the vehicle that most people in nyc use.
I second that.
The people with weapons are the terrorists.
"complications" are what the interested businesspeople tell someone to tell the politicians to tell the media to tell you the reason is for war. But apart from the justifications fogging people's minds, their blind belief in fundamentalist -isms, be it confucianism, catholicism, protestantism, islamism, or fundamentalist capitalism, after all is said and done, that is all talk, and then, someone kills and someone dies, someone destroys and someone is destroyed. But don't listen to me - you can be a Believer of the Great Ideal - whichever ideal you want. Then you can help kill people, be a hero too, and be paid and respected for it. You kill all the same.
If you spend six months organizing 10,000 marchers down Times Square in nyc you might get less media attention than these guys. Sad thing is, not only these kids are attracted to violence, the media and the readers are too. Not to mention the establishment. Planning meaningful action that does not involve these things is not easy.
not unless if you claim your machine has hijacked and you were not aware of it.
are they going to fine/jail everyone?
Most likely they will just join IRC, forums and mailing lists just like everyone, see who's coordinating the actions, and go after them. I would like to know how their servers are set up, what IP address, country, proxies, etc. If there's any running inside Tor, it's a bit of test of Tor trackability.
Is there any proposal of more advanced planned joint actions? I just dont think attacking websites and fax machines is that effective, and from your own home not terribly smart. There has to be some mass coordinated action that is both more efficient, and perhaps less legally punishable.
Do you want to know who's stupid, YOU are stupid, or at the very least naive.
Take a look at the world around you, dude. Desperate times calls for desperate measures.
To be honest with you, I would love to see some thugs go after the CEOs
Fan of Wikileaks? Do what they do. Publish facts. Obviously it works. Corporate-damaging facts not so hard to find.
Just widely publish facts. That's what Wikileaks does. Just google some money laundering news or other similar "services" numerous financial mammoths offer regularly, publish them to many more places, and you'll do much more lasting damage than a bunch of packets for a couple of hours.
Someone has to to teach these kids that corporations are more worries more about teh bad publicity, than the broken websites. You're not breaking the law by widely re-publishing the truth, it can be done easily, and you can actually use Tor for that, respecting netiquette and all.
Now let's have some analysis of how many ways this data gets abused, but really abused. Like screening employees based on browsing habits, tracking opposition groups and members, what the hell can *really* be done with this stuff, and how easy/how much is it to gain access to the data you want.
If there is money or prestige involved, generally there are lies involved.
Yes but this concept that "humanity will perish" or "national security will collapse" or "the economy will collapse" if oil just disappeared is pretty pathetic, but apparently effective for the many people who grew up hearing about the rapture, the apocalypse and all that. Humanity has overcome quite a few much greater challenges. Replacing oil power will not exactly be the end of civilization.
IMHO.... Guy-Fawkes-Anonymous guys should get smart, read, and analyze what they're getting into. Bombing parliament-type strategies might have been considered standard revolution practice when Fawkes was around (and make great movie scripts), but now it seems pretty widely considered counterproductive and obsolete. It seems that real wars now take place at the level of espionage, corruption, media manipulation, and legal-political cheating. Which is why WikiLeaks is effective. Violence is still widely used, but it has to be either covert, blamed on the other guys, or joined with public manipulation to justify it. Generally with some argument that's if for a "greater good" - preferably killing the bad guys, if not possible some non-verifiable non-visible concepts such as "protecting democracy", "national interests". But just using violence without those is hard to justify anymore. I think that strategy of militancy, and even for the military, is pretty much gone. Governments still use it because they can - they have greater firepower, and media power. But still, they always run the risk of creating even greater opposition, so try to hide/justify it.
It's hot as hell here, I could use some solar-powered cells on my skin.
Anonymous managed to get a lot of people, and they are aggressive and have guts, but it would be much smarter for them to help wikileaks, and risk themselves, to get what wikileaks needs - quality documents.
A temporary disruption of web service does little, and in exchange for getting labeled "violent terrorists" and all that nonsense, showing up on the police radars, etc, doesn't seem like a good deal.
Wikileaks got recognized - and attacked - because it does something smart, very relevant, and not easy to stop or attack. The best help would be at the same level.
Author of the story will not give a city for this church. Never mind a phone and address. He mentions "producing" another story about a church of google celebrating communion with coca cola. So, it seems safe to confirm it is all false news, going around the world, getting people indignant at Brazilians and poor, religious, uneducated people, There's enough sordid news in the world that only a few people know what to do about, no need to invent fake stories for shock value, losing credibility. Shocking is that all kinds of blogs and news sites are publishing it, drawing thousands of negative comments.
In Soviet Russia, we had gross government propaganda. Now, in Free Capitalist America, we have access to much better, and more refined marketing techniques. And it's all you can eat!