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Amazon Fake Products and Fake Reviews

rsk writes "The first time I came across fake reviews on Amazon, it was hilarious. Using Amazon's Window Shop app, I came across a great category, 'Peculiar Products,' and was more than happy to look through it. Almost every one of the products I found on the list (Uranium Ore, 1 Gallon of Milk, Parent Child Test, Fresh Whole Rabbit) were fake, with thousands of reviews on them. As a shopper, I wasn't aware of how easy it was to apparently fake product reviews and it bothers me. When I'm shopping, the first (and a lot of times only) place I visit is Amazon to read the reviews if I'm in the market for something. I don't expect the reviews to be the word of God, but I do assume a certain level of legitimacy for most of them. While this won't affect my use of Amazon (especially not at this time of the year) I would like to bubble this up to Amazon's attention so some time is spent on improving the quality of the reviews."

240 comments

  1. Worth every penny by nigelo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Free advice is worth every penny.

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    1. Re:Worth every penny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Free advice is worth every penny.

      Especially when it brings Amazon more pennies.

    2. Re:Worth every penny by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Free advice is often more reliable then paid advice.

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    3. Re:Worth every penny by hedwards · · Score: 2

      Advice is frequently best not obtained. The number of morons and people with unconscious biases that give advice way outnumber the ones with reasonably accurate advice. Plus people tend to be better at giving advice than following it.

    4. Re:Worth every penny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's some free advice: It's "than" not "then".

    5. Re:Worth every penny by eleuthero · · Score: 2

      And yet, even though social pressure is frequently negative, social pressure does have a positive impact (laws against murder, for example). Without collaboration, it is easy to end up with problems (especially when shopping). This is what makes the modern "recommendation" systems helpful. Amazon's system of recommending books is based off of millions of people buying millions of objects. With user input as to what is liked and what is not liked out of a recommendation list, the system can grow smarter and give better crowd-sourced advice to the buyer while avoiding (for the most part) the negative problems of fake reviews (or poorly written/thought out ones).

    6. Re:Worth every penny by arivanov · · Score: 1

      http://www.amazon.com/Story-About-Ping-Marjorie-Flack/dp/0140502416

      Note the number of "people who has found it helpful" on this review...

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    7. Re:Worth every penny by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So is free air, free water, the Illinois Times print edition, slashdot, Google...

      The concept of "free == worthless" is an incredibly stupid concept.

    8. Re:Worth every penny by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      People who give free advice are more likely to use "then" incorrectly.

    9. Re:Worth every penny by bylo · · Score: 1

      As I understand it, Amazon stands firmly behind their reviewers. If you don't like a review Amazon will refund twice what you paid for it.

    10. Re:Worth every penny by Surt · · Score: 1

      Cool, I see a new business opportunity. I'd like to hire you for 100K to write a review on amazon ....

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    11. Re:Worth every penny by thedonger · · Score: 1

      Try sorting by "highest" and reading a bunch of reviews, then sort by "lowest" and read a bunch. One should have the common sense to sort the signal from the noise.

      Example: I was shopping for a vacuum, and was particularly interested in Metro Vac. the positive reviews were beaming, downplaying seemingly minor issues. Then I read the negative reviews, and was easily able to link those same "minor" issues with others' complaints, and was able to form a reasonably informed opinion about the product. I ended up going with a different brand and I love my new vacuum (a Miele).

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    12. Re:Worth every penny by magarity · · Score: 1

      Free advice is often more reliable then paid advice.

      What kind though? I once had an econ prof assert there was no product everyone was willing to produce and give away for free but no one wanted to buy. I responded with "personal advice" and ruined that premise. Fortunately he didn't take it personally and I got a good grade.

    13. Re:Worth every penny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least with Amazon it will show if a customer that did a review actually bought the product (from amazon). Though, I'm personally boycotting Amazon (and cancelled my Prime account) because of the Wikileaks issue. Which is going to make my holiday shopping way fun. Going back to the old-school cash model, trying to avoid Visa/MasterCard as well for the same reasons.

    14. Re:Worth every penny by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Wait, you mean my Three Wolf Moon shirt doesn't make me smarter and better looking?

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    15. Re:Worth every penny by Aardpig · · Score: 1

      Mieles are expensive but awesome. Expect it to last 15-20 years or more...

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    16. Re:Worth every penny by enjerth · · Score: 1

      That's pretty much how I read reviews every time. Most of the reviews in the middle of the bunch are not likely to affect my decision to buy or not. I want to know what's best about the product and what's the worst. Most of that information can be found quickly in the 5 and 1 point reviews while the 3 point reviews often tell very little.

    17. Re:Worth every penny by timeOday · · Score: 2

      Mods, you rated this +5, but do you really believe it? Do you really not read reviews of products at amazon or newegg, or reviews of movies at IMDB? You don't ever access wikipedia? Do you asssume all free software is junk?

    18. Re:Worth every penny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wow you're lame.

    19. Re:Worth every penny by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      The question you have to ask yourself is the person giving the review credible. Half these people are idiots. If they post a lot of content, you can somewhat gauge if they have a clue about what they are talking about, but this can sometimes be difficult. I see this a lot at Tech sites. Also the type of site matters a lot also. Buying something from Bestbuy or Futureshop I likely would ignore the user reviews entirely as anyone that shops there for computer components for example would be an idiot. Places like NCIX and Newegg are a bit safer, but not fool proof. Reviews from sites you trust and credible forum posts are your best bet. Also don't depend on one site, spread your net wide and see if everyone is saying the same thing.

      I want my Penny! :)

    20. Re:Worth every penny by ACorrosionOfDeviants · · Score: 2

      I ordered the AudioQuest K2 terminated speaker cable for all my friends this Christmas.

      Only $6800 and check out the reviews! Only one left in stock, so better act fast. :-)

    21. Re:Worth every penny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no u

    22. Re:Worth every penny by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      *whoosh*

    23. Re:Worth every penny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My advice to you is not to take anyone's advice.

    24. Re:Worth every penny by donrich39 · · Score: 1

      Leave them alone, ... they are funny.

    25. Re:Worth every penny by Surt · · Score: 1

      No, I think you **double whoosh**ed.

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    26. Re:Worth every penny by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Aaah, so you're paid by Miele!

    27. Re:Worth every penny by lorax · · Score: 1

      Oh the memories. I remember that top review when it was on slashdot.

    28. Re:Worth every penny by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Free advice is often more reliable then paid advice.

      I can't imagine many normal people paying for advice about things they were thinking of buying anyway, so it's sort of irrelevant.

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    29. Re:Worth every penny by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Wow, I never knew there were vacuum cleaner geeks. Respect.

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    30. Re:Worth every penny by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      Wow, I never knew there were vacuum cleaner geeks. Respect.

      There's a geek for that...

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  2. How easy it was to apparently fake product reviews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Even more shocking is how easy it is to fake penthouse letters.

  3. Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I did this way back in 2005 for IDC reports that cost thousands of dollars but were only 10 page PDFs.

    It's a joke. It's funny. It's not people gaming a system, it's people being funny. It's not some evil corporation pimping it's uranium, it's people who think half life jokes and Back to the Future references are the hip new thing.

    One of my friends posted the original joke review to the Three Wolf Moon T-shirt a long time ago and for about a week, we got our kicks writing joke reviews and people approved of them because, well, they were funny. I'm appalled that you think this is gaming the system when it's just regular people having a good time.

    As a shopper, I wasn't aware of how easy it was to apparently fake product reviews and it bothers me.

    How on earth could that bother you? You didn't notice it until you stumbled into a weird category on some beta app. Do you have any sense of humor?

    For what it's worth, Amazon is starting to allow reviewers who ordered the item from Amazon to mark on their review that Amazon confirms them as an owner. So you could probably in the future sort those reviews by those that wrote jokes and those that actually ordered the uranium (my god, how is this not on idle).

    It really bothers you? How? Please tell me how I've ruined your shopping experience.

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    1. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      And how is this different from the myriad vaporware announcements over the past three decades? At least there's some humor in these.

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    2. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by geekoid · · Score: 0, Troll

      Because while some fake reviews are obvious, many may not be.

      IF someone can't rely on the features offered for shopping, then the experience has been ruined.

      IT's a pretty easy concept. so easy, that someone who posts fake reviews on the Three Wolf Moon T-Shirt able to grasp in with just a few days of contemplation.

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    3. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      It's not people gaming a system, it's people being funny. It's not some evil corporation pimping it's uranium, it's people who think half life jokes and Back to the Future references are the hip new thing.

      But the reviewer said that eating uranium ore for a month had caused him to grow three heads. I did the same and I still only have one head. I want my money back!

    4. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by purpledinoz · · Score: 2

      First of all, I'm baffled that the guy never realized that some people may put up a fake review. Second of all, the review quality is great, if you know how to interpret them. I usually focus on longer reviews. I also usually look across the spectrum of the star ratings. For example, a lot of products have many 4-5 star reviews with a few 3 stars or under. I usually look at the lower star reviews to see what problems people had with the product (if people report the same problem, then it's more likely to be true). This is usually where I find the most valuable information to make a purchasing decision.

    5. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have any sense of humor?

      You know, it's just possible that the submitter too wasn't entirely serious with the text of the submission either...

    6. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It really bothers you? How? Please tell me how I've ruined your shopping experience.

      Really John? You have to ask that question?

      A couple years ago my Father wanted to get out of the Field Technician Business and get into a more desk type job at home, where he could be his own boss kind of stuff. For Christmas he had but ONE request, a semi-luxurious Office Chair. Given that my father could not come to terms with how I dropped out of school and still got a job without that piece of paper, we both have this grudge about things we shouted at each other one day. However, the holidays are about family and I could not help but feel compelled that perhaps fulfilling this one request might mend the broken family that came about as a result of me not finishing that damn technical writing course. (As a side note, I was seriously knee deep in working out Regular Expressions in Perl, how could they possibly expect me to do up a cover letter that made any sense at the same time?)

      Anyways, so after discovering this magic bullet to fix all the things that went wrong, I set out to get my father the best Office Chair Canadian money can buy. Having been recently thrown out and banned from Staples, Bestbuy, and Futureshop, for setting the IE Homepage on the display computers to the small local competitor down the street, I had no where to reasonably go but online. I did consider Ikea, but honestly I had enough trouble setting up some shelves with nothing but wooden dowels and an allen key, I did not want to take the risk of them making me set up a complex office chair with nothing but the same.

      So there I was, browsing the Amazons and the Ebays of the world over, just trying to find the best price and shipping combination for my buck on Office chairs with reasonable features. However, I noticed a shocking trend. A lot of people who recieved these shipments of Office chairs were horribly mauled and disfigured by what they claim to be a Bobcat. They would not buy again. Now, I know that occaisonally someone likes to post a little joke review here and there. But this was EVERYWHERE. It was like an epidemic. I rationally thought that there must have been some mix up at the factory, or they really should not have put that Office Chair Warehouse right beside the nature reserve.

      As such I did not purchase an office chair, but rather settled on a Thelma and Louise DVD. Needless to say, relationships have since worsened, and he has recently ended up in the hospital. He doesn't even want to see me. He thinks I did this to him. Everything is just so messed up, and I had this one perfect opportunity to make everything all better. And I blame you and your ilk for completely ruining my shopping Experience, Christmas, and inadvertantly, the rest of my life.

    7. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      It really bothers you? How? Please tell me how I've ruined your shopping experience.

      It probably bothers him (not to be offensive) because his worldview before did not include a set of people who would willingly (for fun or not) enter false information on the internet. This experience has no doubt been a rude awakening, as he has probably had to challenge a lot of the beliefs he formed after visiting the Craigslist "missed connections" section and reading the post comments at Breitbart.com.

    8. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by eldavojohn · · Score: 1

      Because while some fake reviews are obvious, many may not be.

      I am so sorry to whomever purchased the IDC report for $1,499.99 and read the ten PDF pages and found out that there was no plot between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD and the holiday season. I am sorry from the bottom of my heart for misrepresenting that product and tricking them into purchasing it. You know I found that IDC report after searching for Blu-Ray players way back in 2005. That's what I was suggested since none were out yet.

      I would also like to review geekoid's post above at a +5. After the post arrived to my home via http, I immediately experienced a glowing sensation in my loins and instantly had the clarity and foresight of a million Jesuses plus two -- as advertised!

      Seriously, you want to know what's corrupting Amazon? Check out the Wikipedia printing scam that Books LLC has been running. Just the other day I was looking for a book on Washington DC as a gift and was suggested this piece of trash. It's just Wikipedia articles, as discussed on Slashdot. Except now that crap is being suggested to me in searches for books on specific subject matter!

      But no, it's the reviews we are putting on products that no one should ever purchase that are "ruining the shopping experience."

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    9. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny

      You selfish insensitive clod, your father is still alive while mine was horribly mauled, disfigured and killed by what appeared to be a Bobcat after I gifted him this same office chair! Your father may be in the hospital but mine is dead because I did not read those online reviews. If only I had been so lucky!

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    10. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by God'sDuck · · Score: 5, Funny

      But the reviewer said that eating uranium ore for a month had caused him to grow three heads. I did the same and I still only have one head. I want my money back!

      Give it time. I'm sure you'll grow tu mor soon.

    11. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I think people tend to assume that the bad reviews are mainly spam or by people that have something to gain financially by it. Reviews which aren't spam and aren't for profit, but aren't accurate either make it really hard to judge what's being offered.

    12. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by Avalanche_Joe · · Score: 1

      Apparently you didn't RTFA. The first sentance of the summary even states "The first time I came across fake reviews on Amazon, it was hilarious" - the point of TFA is that the reviews of real items can be bogus/gamed. From TFA: "Again, I don’t actually care about the fake posts. I find them hugely entertaining to read. What bothers me is apparently how easy it is to create reviews on products that doesn’t exist by people that either don’t exist or have never bought them." So RTFA, joker.

    13. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Article is even more clueless - two of the cited products are REAL, but have bizarro reviews.

      The rabbit:
      http://www.rabbitadvocacy.com/meat_rabbits_and_some_statistics.htm

      Uranium ore:
      http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_4&products_id=460

    14. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THIS IS SO OBVIOUSLY FAKED ITS UNBILEVABLE, WHY R PEOPLE SO GULLIBLE??? MORONS

      I'm not really yelling.

      Really I'm not.

      OK maybe I am.

      Getting this comment accepted is harder than building a soundstage on Mars.

    15. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice troll. BTW obligatory XKCD: http://xkcd.com/325/

    16. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      "Please tell me how I've ruined your shopping experience."

      Well, I for one was really looking forward to my first Unicorn Meat Casserole. When I found out it was just a joke potted meat product I was crushed.

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    17. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by Solandri · · Score: 1

      It's a joke. It's funny. It's not people gaming a system, it's people being funny.

      If you haven't yet read the top review on the Tuscan milk, it is easily one of the most brilliant pieces of writing on the Internet. And done anonymously too.

    18. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by rsk · · Score: 1

      Oh god the comments don't bother me at all, it bothers me how easy it is to game.

      All these examples are hilarious because it's harmless, but if some douchebag marketer hops on there and starts spamming reviews for an awesome screwdriver set that is a POS or a $100 sports jacket (or book, or camera or whatever) that's what I see happening in the near future (assuming it isn't happening already) and I'll end up buying those items and regretting it.

      I do rely on the reviews to at least be somewhat real and what all these fake reviews show is just how fragile that system is and maybe needs a bit more tightening.

      So just to be clear, it's not about the review contents, it's about a system that is too easily gamed that I rely on that I don't want to be gamed so easily.

    19. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by forkfail · · Score: 1

      And it used to actually be an item available through Amazon Fresh at one point in time, IIRC...

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    20. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by stumblingblock · · Score: 1

      You're just lucky he didn't get one of those bobcats. THEN just imagine what a mess you would have been in. Didn't he like the DVD?

    21. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by timepilot · · Score: 1

      Caveat emptor. For everything, from anywhere.

      If you're depending on reviews from a single source to save you from risk, you deserve everything you get.

      Make sure the return policy fits your needs before you buy or just don't buy.

    22. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by Surt · · Score: 1

      What about the DLink router for $139 with over a hundred astroturfed positive reviews?

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    23. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by Surt · · Score: 2

      You understand that a lot of those negative reviews are reverse astroturfing right? The competitor is going onto amazon and leaving detailed negative reviews about their competitor's products.

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    24. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by Quirkz · · Score: 1
      This is what I came here to say. Always look at reviews from the different ratings brackets. Sometimes the 2-star and 4-star ones are a little more useful than the 1's and 5's, because those authors are less likely to be out to provide irrational hate or praise. Good way to get a sampling of opinions. Particularly for games, but also generally a great way to get contrary discussion on books.

      Also want to note the "reviews are just jokes" crowd apparently completely missed the transition from the author talking about fake reviews of joke products to noting that it's also possible to fake reviews of real products. Should still be obvious that it could happen, but "uranium is clearly a joke product" is not a logical answer to "so can I trust the reviews of real products?"

    25. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by geekoid · · Score: 0

      Dude, read my post:

      "Because while some fake reviews are obvious, many may not be."

      See, many people can distinguish between reasonable responses and hyperbole. You notice I didn't address any of the ridiculous extreme fakes reviews. Yet you toss out a stupidly extreme example. Seriously, if you whole argument revolves around a logical fallacy, you don't really have an argument.

      And you are you trying to create a false dichotomy? there are several problems with Amazon, I was simply address one of them. I just gave you a single example; which is what you requested. So don't get uppity with me you poor excuse for a limp wristed cum stain.

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    26. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not funny to lie.

    27. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by nigelo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OT: It sounds to me like geekoid and mcgrew are angry, angry men.

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    28. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the fake/comedic reviews that bother people. It's the fact that the seller of an actual product could potentially fake reviews that look REAL and cause you to buy some piece of crap.

      in summary: fake reviews that look fake are fine; fake reviews that look real suck. the existence of the first implies the existence of the second.

    29. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 1

      *whoooosh*

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    30. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by jsac · · Score: 1

      Having been recently thrown out and banned from Staples, Bestbuy, and Futureshop, for setting the IE Homepage on the display computers to the small local competitor down the street, I had no where to reasonably go but online.

      Shoulda gone to the small local competitor down the street...

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    31. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this copypasta?

    32. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by jamescford · · Score: 1

      > It really bothers you? How? Please tell me how I've ruined your shopping experience.

      Many of these are obviously jokes, fine. I think what the OP was getting at is that there are nefarious purposes to which this can be put. Imagine if you want to "attack" a competitor, and make up a bunch of poor reviews (there have been court cases about this kind of thing, in this case about libel). Or, you could just boost your own product, or try to game the Amazon recommendation system to get your product recommended based on the fact that you "like" many popular items in a segment, plus this product.

      Despite research on the topic, it's not going away anytime soon, just because it's obviously pretty hard to figure out when an "attack" on the system is happening (though there are some clues that have been used in automated detection, e.g. lots of similar rating events in a row, accounts used only to rate a few products, etc.).

    33. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by Sanat · · Score: 1

      There is a guy named Haddad who does this on Amazon for all router bits made by Woodline. He says "I own many Woodline router bit sets, including this one, and every one of them has been very impressive with no exception. The bits are very well made with perfect carbide edges and never a scratch on any of them. They can cut all day without a problem. The cuts are always very smooth even when cuts are very aggressive using the larger bits.
      The bits have a lifetime warranty which is an indicator of the faith Woodline has in their own product."

      Usually he is the only one that has rated the device and it always gets five stars. That can lead you down the path of making a flaky choice... I really do not know if the Woodline bits are good or not as I usually use Magnate.

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    34. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God you're boring.

    35. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      OT: It sounds to me like geekoid and mcgrew are angry, angry men.

      Angry, angry men on the internet.

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    36. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You understand that a lot of those negative reviews are reverse astroturfing right? The competitor is going onto amazon and leaving detailed negative reviews about their competitor's products.

      God, I'd love a job where you could just spend all day posting made up reviews about how shitty stuff is.

      If it's an Apple product, I'd probably do it for free.

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    37. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I think people tend to assume that the bad reviews are mainly spam or by people that have something to gain financially by it.

      No, it's the 100% good review of anything that make me suspicious. Most marketing/spam reviews realise this and tend to add a little negative comment (the game was perhaps a little graphically violent in places, the chair was not adjustable for people over eight foot tall, or something).

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    38. Re:Article is Clueless -- Reviews are Jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *whooooooosh*

  4. Fake post by PatPending · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fake post.

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    1. Re:Fake post by CaptainPatent · · Score: 4, Funny

      *CaptainPatent found this review to be helpful*

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    2. Re:Fake post by kimvette · · Score: 1

      1 of 1 people found the above review helpful

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    3. Re:Fake post by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      Captain Patent, he's our hero!
      Gonna take our money down to zero!

    4. Re:Fake post by RCGodward · · Score: 2

      Excellent poster. Would read again. Makes /. a pleasure. A+++++

    5. Re:Fake post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In soviet Russia, post fakes YOU!

    6. Re:Fake post by need4mospd · · Score: 1

      need4mospd found CaptainPatent's conclusion that the above review was helpful to be helpful.

    7. Re:Fake post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead of the fake post I was expecting, post contained bobcat. Would not read again.

    8. Re:Fake post by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Is CaptainPatent the father of the unborn PatPending? I think we should be told.

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  5. Ratings by DanTheStone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is why Amazon likes to show you the top-rated positive comment and the top-rated negative comment. It's why they have reviewer ratings and the "Vine" program. It's why they have the whole meta-rating system in the first place. Don't ever take the star score at face value. Put more weight behind confirmed real names. Read review comments. It's not that hard to figure out.

    1. Re:Ratings by Coldegg · · Score: 1

      What, you mean those posts that sounded like whole milk erotica weren't real?

      What's this world coming to?

    2. Re:Ratings by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Real names are nice, I suppose, but I'd rather they confirm that the person bought it or at least ordered it. Many times an item might be the same for practical purposes but have something substantively different about them. Most often with computer games where one version might be patched up to date, but for a former platform, but the other is patched up and supported on the most recent OS revision. They're the same, but there could very well be compatibility issues there.

    3. Re:Ratings by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but people also rate these joke comments, so it is often quite hard to find the signal amongst the noise.

  6. what? by geekoid · · Score: 1

    "but I do assume a certain level of legitimacy for most of them. "

    Why? the seldom have context, there often posted immediately after the item is received, and there are know astroturfs.

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    1. Re:what? by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      and the have an unnusual amount of typpos and their full of grammer erros.

        -dZ.

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  7. Honest truth is rare. by h00manist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If there is money or prestige involved, generally there are lies involved.

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    1. Re:Honest truth is rare. by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Probably because honesty is punished, harshly. Any honesty that doesn't go with the group think runs the risk of resulting in being shunned or run down.

  8. Affect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yes, but how will it AFFECT your use of Amazon?

    1. Re:Affect by dorkinson · · Score: 0

      Maybe he's saying it won't cause him to start using Amazon, as he apparently already does.

  9. It's funny by A+Friendly+Troll · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's funny.

    Laugh.

    If such an innocent thing bothers you, I dread to think what else you disapprove of.

    These reviews are just light-hearted humour, and to be honest, they ARE hilarious (always have been, always will be) and often just the perfect thing to make you smile after a boring three-hour meeting.

    You want to "bubble this up to Amazon"? Seriously, don't you have anything better to do?

    1. Re:It's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, don't you have anything better to do?

      The same question came to mind when I though about the people who write those reviews ...

    2. Re:It's funny by Quirkz · · Score: 2

      Fake reviews of joke items are funny, yes. But what about the part where the author asks if they can trust reviews of real products? That's a genuine question.

  10. Steering Wheel tray by MollyB · · Score: 4, Funny
    1. Re:Steering Wheel tray by countSudoku() · · Score: 2

      Are you posting this to mock the ridiculous deep links that Amazon generates? If so, mission accomplished!

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    2. Re:Steering Wheel tray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thousands being 530 or so?

    3. Re:Steering Wheel tray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a bizarro product, and the 1000's of customer reviews (with pictures) that were submitted:
      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000IZGIA8/ref=s9_simh_co_p263_d4_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=left-1&pf_rd_r=0964R987N5R9BZSJ4NP6&pf_rd_t=3201&pf_rd_p=1263271162&pf_rd_i=typ01

      i'm not sure how you count but this project only has 535 reviews.

    4. Re:Steering Wheel tray by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Including ones that have complaints about it!

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    5. Re:Steering Wheel tray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    6. Re:Steering Wheel tray by uglyduckling · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I love the fourth picture on the product page.

    7. Re:Steering Wheel tray by psithurism · · Score: 1

      bizarro product? You know I considered getting one of these?

      Yeah the users submitted some ridiculous pics and reviews, but of the _100s_ of customer reviews, many are legitimate.

    8. Re:Steering Wheel tray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the reviews:

      I was driving near my home in Alaska with my hubby Todd as a passenger. I had just got the steering wheel desktray and a copy of Going Rogue from Amazon. I was a few pages into the book when I got to some big words and shouted "DERP" and slammed the book shut. While I had expected the car to veer, it didn't. The car started to lean back and slowly lift off the road. Next thing I know we are in flight! The car kept going higher and higher. Todd then asked me if I had ever read any books or magazines that made the car fly. Of which I replied "No", and we have a lot of magazines at the house (actually all of them). We kept ascending (which means to go higher), and I noticed I could see Russia. We eventually went so high that we were in orbit. The car was gently gliding through space, as if it were dancing with the stars. Slowly the car started to descend (that means to go down) and we gently glided lower. As we got closer I noticed a pack of wolves dining on a momma grizzly. I told Todd to pull the rifle out of the back. I rolled down the window (I had to roll it up, we were in space after all) and took a shot at one of the wolves. I missed, it looked as if I was way to far to the right. I put the gun away and gently touched back down to the ground. I pulled over to the nearest BP station, (Todd use to work for them, NEVER trust a foreign company when it comes to oil) to see WHAT they put in the tank! I asked them if the gas was fungible and if they ever flagged the molecules. The gas attendant just looked at me funny. I then realized the gas didn't cause this crazy adventure, it was the Wheelmate Steering Wheel Desk Tray.

      Thank you AutoExec WM01 Wheelmate Steering Wheel Desk Tray

  11. it USED to be true, but no longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "but I do assume a certain level of legitimacy for most of them."

    Remember the internet as it was back in around 1985-88? Back then you could largely trust reviews on usenet and such.

    But then the net got flooded with the marketeers and the ad men. Now? You can trust very little of it.

    Thanks, marketeers and ad men, for ruining a great thing for everybody else out of your own greed.

    1. Re:it USED to be true, but no longer by operagost · · Score: 3, Funny

      Remember the internet as it was back in around 1985-88?

      Actually, no I don't, Gramps! Was it steam powered-then? Gettin' off yer lawn!

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    2. Re:it USED to be true, but no longer by Surt · · Score: 1

      I do sometimes wonder how those people sleep at night. Probably on a comfortable mattress stuffed with money I guess.

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  12. Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by Stregano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here is a big example: the release of Spore. That game had thousands of bad reviews because of the DRM. People who never played/bought the game.

    Actually the review issue will be super simple to fix: if somebody buys a product from Amazon, if they also write a review on the product, there will be a special piece of text that says that the user who left the review bought the product from Amazon. To get rid of most of the bad/fake reviews, all Amazon needs to do is require that all reviews be from people who actually bought the product. This would also eliminate reviews on fake products, since unless the person paid for and bought the paid product, no review for them.

    As for fake products, you would think there is some way to flag fake products to alert Amazon about it.

    So, Amazon could easily fix these issues with items that are already in place (unless flagging products is not in place, but that sounds like something very odd that should be place if it is not), but it appears they choose not to. Maybe contacting Amazon directly and informing them about this would help out much better than a /. article, but maybe that is just me

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    1. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by Stregano · · Score: 1

      Some of us do leave great reviews:
      Amazon Review

      A product that was well known to be hated, even though many people did not know why they were hating it, so I gave a real review on it, and it got very positive feedback. Unfortunately, weeding through fake/dumb reviews to find real reviews sucks to do

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    2. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by demonbug · · Score: 1

      Spore is a bad example, because it actually is a crappy game.

      But yeah, there have been numerous examples of things getting massive numbers of bad reviews fro things like DRM. If you are actually thinking about buying something, hopefully you have the sense to look past the simple star rating and read some of the reviews; it becomes immediately obvious if the rating is based on the actual merits of the product, or if people are just giving bad ratings to protest some action by the company.

    3. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Here is a big example: the release of Spore. That game had thousands of bad reviews because of the DRM. People who never played/bought the game.

      Uhm, excuse me but your point is...? I bought Spore and it certainly didn't hold up to the media hype, actually it was one of the worst games I've ever bought when they came out. And the DRM *did* suck. While I generally agree with your point I'd say the thousands of reviewers got it right in case of Spore.

    4. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The uranium ore probably isn't fake. It's quite easy to purchase: http://www.unitednuclear.com/

    5. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by dunezone · · Score: 1

      Here is a big example: the release of Spore. That game had thousands of bad reviews because of the DRM. People who never played/bought the game.

      I saw something like this on Newegg(I believe), was researching graphic cards when I came across a review which had no depth to it. The review stated that for the same price you could purchase two graphics cards and basically have dual cards and have about 10% performance gain. The review neglected to say anything about having to purchase bigger case, motherboard that supports two video cards, and upping the power supply to accommodate the additional card.

      So the review was obviously made by someone who didn't purchase the product.

    6. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by rfc822 · · Score: 1

      I second that about the reviews, I see currently two problems:

      1) Reviews by people not having bought this product on Amazon

      Really, wtf? Why should I care about someone reviewing it who hasn't bought it *there*? Doesn't make sense to me. If I want to get a general review of a product, I need to got somewhere else, ideally where you don't buy it, period.

      2) Reviews of similar items mixed together

      Search for some random DVDs with BluRay counterparts. Or VHS. You'll suddenly find people reviewing/rating the product (e.g. I'm looking at the BluRay entry of the movie), the talk about the bad quality or something about the content and it's only until later you realize: they talk about the DVD or VHS version. Wtf? Again, IMHO that's complete BS to me.

    7. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by houghi · · Score: 1

      Amazon is not interested in correct reviews. They are interested in people on their site and in the end people buying stuff. As long as investing time and money to let this go away NOT result in more money coming in, why would they change it?

      Remember that they deal with huge number of people, not only /. readers. Soccermom finds it perhaps funny as it was forwarded from a cow orker and then sees this nice add and buys something else.

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    8. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      Here is a big example: the release of Spore. That game had thousands of bad reviews because of the DRM. People who never played/bought the game.

      I saw something like this on Newegg(I believe), was researching graphic cards when I came across a review which had no depth to it. The review stated that for the same price you could purchase two graphics cards and basically have dual cards and have about 10% performance gain. The review neglected to say anything about having to purchase bigger case, motherboard that supports two video cards, and upping the power supply to accommodate the additional card.

      So the review was obviously made by someone who didn't purchase the product.

      None of that applies if you already have a large case, dual video card motherboard, and a large enough power supply.

    9. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that (Amazon CEO) Jeff Bezos has been known to post them I think they're aware, and doubt they're likely to kill them anytime soon.

    10. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      Amazon already flags "verified purchases". Aside from that, I think limiting reviewers to Amazon-only purchases is too limiting. After all, if it is a new product to Amazon, there will be no reviews until after someone buys it, but we know that not all purchasors write reviews.

      Once I started writing reviews at Amazon, I'd find myself looking at reviews for other products I already owned. If there were no good reviews available for those products, or if I felt I had something of value to contribute, I wrote a review. I think it's a good system. Most reasoned shoppers will be able to wade through the schlock and identify useful reviews.

      The thing that really gets me is when you see 100+ people have flagged a review as helpful when it might be as non-substantive as (a made up example) "It's pretty cool. I always wanted one and I got it, and it does what it's supposed to do."

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    11. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by adisakp · · Score: 1

      Actually the review issue will be super simple to fix: if somebody buys a product from Amazon, if they also write a review on the product, there will be a special piece of text that says that the user who left the review bought the product from Amazon. To get rid of most of the bad/fake reviews, all Amazon needs to do is require that all reviews be from people who actually bought the product. This would also eliminate reviews on fake products, since unless the person paid for and bought the paid product, no review for them.

      Amazon already marks reviews from actual buyers... look for the "Amazon Verified Purchase" label next to the review. Sometimes a product gets reviewed legitimately on Amazon that isn't a verified purchase. Maybe it was a gift or purchased elsewhere. It's still nice to have these other reviews but I do give more weight to verified reviews.

    12. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by Surt · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, astroturfers and reverse-astroturfers will still be posting, because they have a substantial marketing budget. It costs you no more than the tax and shipping to buy your own product, and the cost to buy your competitor's product is a small price to pay to leave them a negative horror story review.

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    13. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by Surt · · Score: 1

      Actually the review issue will be super simple to fix: if somebody buys a product from Amazon, if they also write a review on the product, there will be a special piece of text that says that the user who left the review bought the product from Amazon. To get rid of most of the bad/fake reviews, all Amazon needs to do is require that all reviews be from people who actually bought the product. This would also eliminate reviews on fake products, since unless the person paid for and bought the paid product, no review for them.

      Amazon already marks reviews from actual buyers... look for the "Amazon Verified Purchase" label next to the review. Sometimes a product gets reviewed legitimately on Amazon that isn't a verified purchase. Maybe it was a gift or purchased elsewhere. It's still nice to have these other reviews but I do give more weight to verified reviews.

      Exactly as you should, because neither astroturfers or reverse-astroturfers have budget to buy products through amazon!

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    14. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      There's an ongoing Amazon review war surrounding the re-release of the movie Fantasia due to a ~10-second bit of the movie that was removed because it featured a racist character. That slice of the movie has been removed from every single commercial release of the movie ever, so there's not really even an alternative version that people can buy. But there is still a flood of 1-star ratings complaining of "censorship" weighing down the mostly positive reviews.

    15. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by Stregano · · Score: 1

      See, that is the type of stuff I am referring to. None of those "censorship" reviews are reviewing this movie. Even if the review is as short as "this cost too much and the quality is low, save your money and get it on VHS" I can accept that. As many people have learned, we need to wade through these reviews, but it is truly too bad that we have to.

      Somebody mentioned something about what to do with new products: Google it. Find somebody that got a review copy or something and read what they put. If it is not available anywhere but Amazon and there are no reviews, chances are that you are buying something specialized enough to where you will be buying it regardless of reviews.

      The verified only would work. Yes, for new products you would have to leave Amazon to check reviews, but if you are checking reviews, it is normally a bad idea to put all your eggs in one basket if you catch my drift. Spread out the research. If it is to the point where you are researching, go college style on it.

      I would personally like to see no reviews or 3 reviews for a product than 1000 where people use the review system to rant, complain, pseudo-protest. There is no reason we should have to wade through rants to get to real reasons why a product is bad when the framework for setting it up is already there and all it takes is a few lines of code (well if I can get it done in a few lines, I know the Amazon team could get it done in less)

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    16. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by residieu · · Score: 1

      Did the bad reviews of Spore form people who didn't play make up game-play complaints? Or were they just complaining about the DRM. If they were just complaining about the DRM, they're fine reviews. They don't tell you anything about the gameplay, but they say something about the product. You can't just look at the numbers, you need to actually read the bad reviews to see if the "bad" applies to you.

    17. Re:Amazon Reviews can't be trusted all the time by residieu · · Score: 2

      Amazon always tells you when a review comes up that isn't for the exact item you're looking at. Many reviews for "Big Blockbuster Movie" will apply whether you're interested in buying the DVD, BluRay, or 4 Disk DVD Ultra Super edition. Usually I'm interested in if the movie itself is good, not so much in the special features

      If a review comes from the BluRay version, and starts going off about bad special features, I'll be sure to check whether those special features exist on the version I'm interested in.

      And yes, I'd be happy to read a review from someone who bought the DVD at Best Buy. I don't see why I'd want to ignore those just because I'm buying from Amazon. Most products dont' have Amazon-edition and Best Buy-edition

  13. The Reviews Have Meta-Moderation As Well by eldavojohn · · Score: 2

    And how is this different from the myriad vaporware announcements over the past three decades? At least there's some humor in these.

    What the article really seems to miss is that there are meta-moderating for the reviews so you see things like "154 of 156 people found the following review helpful"

    And when you see a spam bot or some fan boy getting all hot and bothered over some new product that's being preordered, that review gets buried as people vote it down and add comments like "WTF?" So if you're worried about this being an indication that companies or people are gaming the sale of products through reviews, I usually vote that crap down if I see it. And, honestly, these reviews have helped me. Just last week, I was going to order a set of Barska binoculars but half the reviews reported a mirror alignment defect so I didn't care what kind of sale they had on them.

    I've rarely if ever found a review that was misleading and rated up.

    You have to sign in with a legitimate account to do any of the above so it's not like there are spam bots out there gaming the reviews and the moderation of the reviews. If anyone else has seen this on Amazon, please speak up and link to examples, I'd be interested.

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    1. Re:The Reviews Have Meta-Moderation As Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the article really seems to miss is that there are meta-moderating for the reviews so you see things like "154 of 156 people found the following review helpful"

      Except that in certain categories- primarily music- the downmodding of critical reviews is a blatantly obvious trend. I don't blame Amazon for this, I blame fanboys (and girls) of the groups, singers, etc. in question abusing the system to punish the writers or voice their disapproval. But the end effect is the same, the "useful" rating of reviews is useless for those categories.

      Anyway, if Amazon were bothered about this, they'd find a way of weighting reviews so that the ratings of those who systematically abuse the "useful" rating for partisan reasons are given less significance.

  14. I've seen what I assume were paid reviews too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just look at the Windows 7 "upgrade" from starter to home premium. It costs around $80 and is targeted at netbook users. Most of the victims where I live who buy netbooks get Starter Edition and I find it very hard to
    believe that they would pay $80 to "fix" a deliberately broken product, whilst at the same time giving it a 5-star rating. I just refuse to believe that people can be that dumb...

    Coincidently, this is another reason I want to get off the Titanic that is the Windows platform. I moved to Linux, but if it didn't exist, I would have likely gone Mac. Hopefully the trend of console games and mass-adoption of smart phones will finally dethrown the devil.

  15. Funny Jugs by cdoggyd · · Score: 0

    The 1 Gallon of Milk product and it's reviews are legendary.

    1. Re:Funny Jugs by countSudoku() · · Score: 1

      I've just found a new place to hang out! Holy crap those are funny! The "One Friday, Without the Milk" review is just stunning and brilliant. I'm brilliantly stunned. More fake products, please! And pass me a hearty tumbler of Tuscan Whole Milk, 1 Gallon, 128 fl oz, because that's what life's about, friend. Good friends, good reviews, and Tuscan Whole Milk, 1 Gallon, 128 fl oz. Now, more than ever, Tuscan Whole Milk, 1 Gallon, 128 fl oz.

      This post brought to you by the Tuscan Whole Milk, 1 Gallon, 128 fl oz advisory board of Italy.

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  16. Funny timing for anti - Amazon post by Coldegg · · Score: 2

    Immediately following the script kiddies calling off their DDoS on Amazon, /. posts a negative article regarding Amazon.

    Funny timing. Like an infant screaming and kicking trying to show the world that it matters.

  17. people still read reviews? by alen · · Score: 1

    most of those are posted by marketing firms and meant for idiots who don't know any better. it's like when my wife is bugging me about something she says that cnet gave it a good review. i tell her that no one reads cnet anymore

  18. Amazon Does try its best by tempestdata · · Score: 2

    This is an issue that you can see Amazon and users taking seriously. If you notice Amazon allows you to meta moderate reviews, as well as comment on reviews. I have spotted a lot of fake reviews by reading comments on reviews, and I make it a point to comment on fake reviews as well providing my rationale for why I think it is a fake review. Just like on slashdot, community moderation is key here.

    Amazon also provides an additional level of verification with the "Amazon verified purchase" where by Amazon lets you know that this reviewer at the very least did purchase this product from Amazon.

    In the end reviews are like asking for advice. Often you get bad advice, often you get advice from people with hidden motives, and often you get good advice. Amazon's review system is just a representation of real life. Go anywhere on the web, or go call up some real estate agents/mortgage brokers and ask them "When is a good time to buy a house?" and the answer will almost invariably be "If you can afford it, _now_ is a good time to buy a house". They have a hidden agenda they want to push.

    I am not singling out real estate agents though. They are doing their job. Dealing with people is dealing with hidden agendas. :)

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  19. Except it happens with real products too by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Except if you actually think it doesn't happen with real products too, man, I hate to break down your ideal world bubble.

    For a start, even as a joke, a lot of those jokes are just a cross between vandalism and fanboyism. E.g., it's trivial to run into reviews for games which not only aren't out there yet, but don't even have a beta or preview or much information out yet. I remember particularly Gothic 3 -- which eventually turned out to be a buggy bad joke -- which although just announced, and, really, all the information about it were a couple of screenshots that their engine works, and there were already gushing reviews for it on Amazon. You know, TEH GRATEST GAME EVAR!!! kinda reviews.

    It's vandalism because even if it may be identifiable as an unfunny joke at that moment, fast forward a year and it's just noise in the actually useful signal.

    Actually, even your kind of jokes sound like vandalism to me. It's having fun at the expense of spamming a useful resource and confusing the heck out of anyone who isn't magically aware whether the "Three Wolf Moon T-shirt" is a real product to buy or a joke, and whether the good or bad reviews are actual reviews or someone's bad idea of a joke.

    You know, sorta like the guys posting goatse and rickrolling links on an unrelated mailing list. I don't doubt that in their deranged little brains it passes for freaking hilarious, but the rest of us just wish they'd die in a fire.

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    1. Re:Except it happens with real products too by dadelbunts · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh no the humanity.My heart goes out to you and people like you. How dare amazon trick you into thinking the three wolf moon shirt was a MAGICAL item with otherworldly levels of sexual attraction while it was just a REALLY REALLY REALLY awesome shirt. Also to the poor people tricked by game reviews months before it was released. What are the sheep to do, use LOGIC!!?!?! MY GOD. What world do we live in that we dont immediately base our purchases on how many stars a product has on Amazon. Not a world i want to live in thats for sure. Not a world i want to live in.

    2. Re:Except it happens with real products too by eldavojohn · · Score: 1

      For a start, even as a joke, a lot of those jokes are just a cross between vandalism and fanboyism. E.g., it's trivial to run into reviews for games

      Woh, wait a second. Where in the summary or article do they link to a game where this has happened?

      You know, TEH GRATEST GAME EVAR!!! kinda reviews.

      Where in the world are you getting this from? Fanboys are a completely different problem. That's not funny and it's not something I do. The joke reviews go on products that nobody in their right mind would buy. If somebody puts up a joke product like uranium, how does it deserve anything other than joke reviews?

      Here's a free tip for you: if you try to do a joke review on a very popular product, about a million people rate you down and your review is either removed or never seen again. So keep that in mind when you think I went around poisoning reviews for Fable III or whatever. Signal to noise ratio? Have you ever used the Amazon reviews? Because it really sounds like you haven't. I challenge you to post a joke review that genuinely ruined your shopping experience and explain to me how that happened.

      If you ever made a review of "TEH GRATEST GAME EVAR!!!" it would be moderated down and never seen. It's so obvious you don't read Amazon reviews.

      You know, sorta like the guys posting goatse and rickrolling links on an unrelated mailing list.

      There we go, go ahead and try to draw some kind of link between these joke reviews for uranium and mailing goatse links out to thousands of people. Whatever helps you justify decrying this as a problem for online shopping. How many goatse links and rickrolls can you point me to in Amazon reviews? Hmmm?

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    3. Re:Except it happens with real products too by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, and after the game is released, a few million people still have to spend collectively the equivalent of a couple of centuries just wading through the brainless drivel of some cretin who thinks he's funny. 'Cause obviously we wouldn't want to get straight to the actually useful information. I mean, oh noes, some people must be sheep if they just want to learn whether that product worked as a t-shirt (e.g., if it shrunk after the first machine wash) from other customers, instead of being delighted to wade through pages of idiots pretending that their "OMG it's magical" drivel is funny. Right?

      Obviously if we're actually shopping for a t-shirt, our time is there just to read some lame jokes, and not to actually compare t-shirts. Man, what would we ever do with our time if we didn't have to spend hours using TEH LOGIC to guess which products are real and which are lame jokes, and which reviews are real and which are lame jokes. Why, without your kind of selfless saviour providing all that crapflood to filter, we'd be done with the shopping in 10 minutes and probably be stuck for the rest of the evening getting bored and having nothing to do. Oh noes! I mean, it's not like there's TV, YouTube, games, websites, etc, to go to if we want entertainment. Without your kind crap-flooding Amazon, why, we'd just have to sit there and get bored.

      Heh.

      And that goes double for cases when basically the request to use logic comes from some cretins who aren't very good at logic or data to use it on in the first place.

      E.g., since the summary mentions Uranium, it must be an obvious joke, right? Well, no, actually depleted Uranium is perfectly ok to own and use for civilian purposes. It's even used as balast in boats and whatnot. Being very dense, it can lower your boat's centre of gravity a lot without taking much space. So someone could actually be trying to buy just that, in all honest.

      But don't tell that to the ignorant joker who's basing his idea that it'll be an obvious joke for anyone who isn't stupid... on his own being stupid and ignorant.

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    4. Re:Except it happens with real products too by Original+Replica · · Score: 1, Troll

      Those who think of false reviews as "jokes" are just boors with a limited world view. It exactly the same mentality that thinks "tagging" a building or park bench is cool. Juvenile minds have no respect for the value of a good, well tended community resource. To the small minded, the limited benefit they receive by defacing the commons is not over weighed by the damage done, because they are unable to understand the damage or value of what they are defacing.

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    5. Re:Except it happens with real products too by tycoex · · Score: 1

      If people are really fooled by these fake reviews they deserve to waste their money on crap. Think of it as a punishment for being an idiot.

    6. Re:Except it happens with real products too by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As I was saying in the other message, actually someone could genuinely be trying to buy or sell depleted uranium, which is a very legal thing to do. More common than you seem to think too. It's an inert and very dense material used, well, whenever you need something heavy and which doesn't take much space. E.g., it's actually used as ballast in boats. SRSLY.

      Granted, Amazon wouldn't be the first place to go looking for it, but if I were looking for something like that and happened to stumble upon something like that on Amazon, you can bet your ass I'd have a look at it starting from the assumption that it's a genuine product.

      So what you guys did was only waste the time of everyone who wasn't ignorant enough to mistake it for an obvious joke.

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    7. Re:Except it happens with real products too by shadowfaxcrx · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's OK to buy and own non-depleted uranium too, actually. Very small quantities are bought all the time for wide-ranging projects like Geiger counter calibration, and school science labs.

      The amount in the canister on Amazon (which I do not actually believe is fake) is not enough to do anything dangerous with, even if you bought a whole bunch of canisters. You'd have to pretty much spend a sizable fortune to get enough to make even a very small nuclear reactor, and if you were trying to make a nuclear bomb you'd have to buy even more, and that's assuming you had the equipment and knowhow to make weapons-grade fissile material out of it.

      It always amazes me how many people have such "OMG! NUKYEWLUR!" reactions to things like this. They must not know that glow-in-the-dark watches and gun sights are radioactive (tritium, which is also used to make weapons and yet civilians can get hold of it by buying a Luminox watch). Hell, pacemakers used to be powered by plutonium until Li-Ion batteries came along.

      Nuclear is no big deal in the amounts sold to the general public.
       

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    8. Re:Except it happens with real products too by TrisexualPuppy · · Score: 1, Troll

      Shut up, douchemonger. The guy was trying to make a point.

      I, for one, purchased some less expensive uranium ore to check the functionality of my 1960s-vintage CD Geiger counter. Nice to know that it's not working before you get a cloud of obvious fallout that reads nothing.

    9. Re:Except it happens with real products too by mmaniaci · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the Internet, sir. Leave your morals at the door please.

    10. Re:Except it happens with real products too by asher09 · · Score: 1

      it's not making a nuclear bomb out of these materials that is a concern. It's radioactive material contaminating food source, water source, etc that could be an issue. Once ingested, a small amount can do some damage to the human body.

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    11. Re:Except it happens with real products too by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      anyone who isn't magically aware whether the "Three Wolf Moon T-shirt" is a real product to buy or a joke,

      Huh?

      Three Wolf Moon is definitely a real product. You can buy one right now if you want. The *reviews* are the joke.

      I don't understand why you seem to think that "real product" and "joke reviews" are somehow mutually-exclusive...

    12. Re:Except it happens with real products too by Aardpig · · Score: 1

      The article for sale is uranium *ore*, not depleted uranium. Quite a different thing. The ore can be turned into weapons-grade uranium, but only using equipment like gas centrifuges, which don't come cheap...

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    13. Re:Except it happens with real products too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Uranium ore is a real product. I believe it was offered for sale by United Nuclear. They also lead Uranium mining expeditions for tourists if you go visit them in Nevada.

      The key is that it's uranium ore in its natural state, and not the highly concentrated stuff they use in nuclear weapons. Thus, it's only mildly radioactive and approved for sale to the public by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

    14. Re:Except it happens with real products too by minchazo · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the internet!

    15. Re:Except it happens with real products too by shadowfaxcrx · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's true, but there's all sorts of products that are legally sold that can hurt you if you eat them. Bleach, ammonia, CLR, antifreeze, rat poison, etc. Really, if someone is dumb enough to eat uranium, they're going to find a way to hurt themselves even if you keep it away form them.

      If by your post you mean "what if they flush it down the toilet," again, you'd need a lot more than what's in that canister to reach toxicity levels in the water/food supply.

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    16. Re:Except it happens with real products too by TornCityVenz · · Score: 1

      It's not just products...I thought the many movie reviews from IMDB on a movie were fake...
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0490668/

      How wrong I was....My eyes have been opened.

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    17. Re:Except it happens with real products too by asher09 · · Score: 1

      Understood. I was referring more to terrorist-ish activities since that appeared to be your reference too. The difference b/w radioactive material (even saw dust from uranium ore rocks) and toxic substances that you listed is that the consequence is often not acute, but cumulative. Also detection would be delayed compared to those substances you listed if used in public (also as a result of the adverse effects being non-acute symptoms).

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    18. Re:Except it happens with real products too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the fake products are listed in the thousands of dollars. It's pretty obvious for anyone that isn't a total simpleton.

      And if you had trouble deciding on a three wolf moon shirt because you actually needed to know if it would shrink after purchasing... well God help your sorry ass.

      Stop being an f'ing crybaby, you're ruining life for everyone around you.

    19. Re:Except it happens with real products too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be the life of every party.

    20. Re:Except it happens with real products too by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      Mod parent down, he's a creationist.

      Well, you did ask.

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  20. Re:I've seen what I assume were paid reviews too.. by pz · · Score: 0

    I just refuse to believe that people can be that dumb...

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  21. Maybe fake reviews only for fake products? by Toe,+The · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The article complains that obviously fake products are allowed to have fake reviews, and then makes the assumption that fake reviews must be allowed for real products. This does not necessarily follow. It might; but it seems a bit more likely that Amazon just might put a little more care into reviews of real products than into fake ones. I have no idea... I'm just pointing out the fallacy.

    1. Re:Maybe fake reviews only for fake products? by blair1q · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, fake reviews are allowed for all products because nobody is regulating the provenance of a review except the community itself through the review rating buttons.

      Fake products attract obviously fake reviews because it's fun.

      Real products attract non-obviously fake reviews because the reviewer is getting reviewer-grade points, or has a financial or social benefit to gain from astroturfing the product.

    2. Re:Maybe fake reviews only for fake products? by Surt · · Score: 1

      It's unlikely the article author is making an assumption. It is trivially easy to verify that illegitimate reviews are allowed on legitimate products.

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    3. Re:Maybe fake reviews only for fake products? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Look at the reviews for Three wolf moon t-shirt. It's a real product you can buy.

      It's become pretty clear that there are a lot of fake reviews on real product. That is why Amazon keeps taking steps to help weed them out.

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    4. Re:Maybe fake reviews only for fake products? by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      Somewhat obligitory XKCD:
      http://xkcd.com/325/
      Does not corelate directly, but it sort of applys. In that feedback and reviews are only a small indicator of what a seller and product may be like.

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    5. Re:Maybe fake reviews only for fake products? by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Total reversal of intent, there. I can get an office chair anywhere. I'd love a bobcat. I'd buy from that dude until he started sending bags of poop instead of plasma globes.

  22. "Verified Purchase" by Mr+44 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This exists! It's called Amazon Verified Purchase. See, for example:
    http://www.amazon.com/review/R23WKI375G1JJM

    I don't know if their ranking algorithm rates reviews from verified purchases higher or not, but wouldn't be surprised...

    1. Re:"Verified Purchase" by Stregano · · Score: 1

      Thanks. That is what I was referring to and did not remember what it was called.

      My example with Spore was that even if the game was horrible, I would rather see thousands of reviews of people saying the game was horrible, then thousands of reviews about people complaining about DRM. I won't say DRM is good, but if you did not buy the product, let the people who wasted their money on Spore tell you why it was a waste of money.

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  23. Denon AKDL1 Link Cable by noidentity · · Score: 1

    There's always the Denon AKDL1 Dedicated Link Cable. Oh wait, that's not a prank (sadly Denon doesn't still have this listed on their site, as it used to be a legitimate product).

  24. This one's been posted on Slashdot before... by MrKevvy · · Score: 2

    Unsure if in an article or the comments, but it's arguably the most famous so surprised it wasn't mentioned.

    $1000 Denon AKDL1 Dedicated Link Cable

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    1. Re:This one's been posted on Slashdot before... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Sometimes, however, things aren't quite so black and white. I ran across this thing the other day looking for trackballs. Actually looked really interesting until I noticed the price.

      It's a real product (although apparently discontinued). Would somebody pay $500 for a trackball? Hell, for that much money, I'll build them by one a time out of hand selected Unicorn hooves.

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    2. Re:This one's been posted on Slashdot before... by RJHelms · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What I find exceptionally absurd about this is that author of the article, Riyad Kalla, is complaining about fake reviews on Amazon, but the TFA has a link to another article in the "related articles" section, by the same author, celebrating that Denon one you mention. So he finds fake reviews hilarious, except when he doesn't. And writes articles about them in both cases.

    3. Re:This one's been posted on Slashdot before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have obviously never searched for out-of-production Lego models :) Some of these are two to four times the original cost (or more). Some DVD sets seem to go for ridiculous prices too - until recently the Farscape boxed set was about £300

    4. Re:This one's been posted on Slashdot before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like how the used cables are $2500.

    5. Re:This one's been posted on Slashdot before... by rsk · · Score: 1

      RJHelms - I made no secret of the fact that I find the content of the fake reviews entertaining, they absolutely are (I mentioned it in the Amazon article, no need to look elsewhere), but it still bothers me that it is done so easily to products that I could be shopping for.

      Thinking the content is funny and finding the flaws in the Amazon review system are two very different things.

  25. The Story About Ping by milonssecretsn · · Score: 1

    While we are mentioning funny amazon things, don't forget the reviews for the essential book on the network tool "Ping". (Read the first Customer Review)

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  26. They already know it, relax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "I would like to bubble this up to Amazon's attention so some time is spent on improving the quality of the reviews."

    Just in case someone thought Amazon might not be aware of these reviews and fake products, relax. They are fully aware of existence of these things; it's one of favorite pastimes of anyone working for item master and catalog teams to check these out occasionally. And while it is not exactly supported as a practice, it seems somewhat tolerated; with occasional outburst of activity for removing some comments and products. But one problem is that actually deleting any products is hard if not impossible; system is designed not to lose information and keep references via product ids available.

    This is based on knowing a few people who worked (or still work) at Amazon. They were able to show the funniest products (beyond the usual three-wolf, badonkadonk tank, brass balls etc there's treasure trove of other funnies). And recommendation system is also pretty good at strengthening correlation between funny products so you can just follow suggestions to Tuscany Milk, bear poop and such.

  27. Parent Child Test by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

    The reviewers didn't seem to get the Parent Child Test. Unless I miss my guess, the cost of $10,000+ coupled with the "cool" figurine is the test. If someone orders it, they are clearly fascinated with shiny figurine toys and completely lack any concept of money, ergo they are children.

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    1. Re:Parent Child Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you insensitive clod!
      They could be autistic, and idly wealthy :P

  28. THIS IS OLD NEWS by AndGodSed · · Score: 0

    2008 called. It wants to know how you like your three wolf moon shirt.

    1. Re:THIS IS OLD NEWS by geekoid · · Score: 1

      with ausomosity!!!!!

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  29. Google Places has similar problems by Animats · · Score: 3, Informative

    Since the big October 27, 2010 change to Google search, in which "places" results appeared at the top of web search, reviews have become much more important. Google's web search was mostly based on links, but Google Places is heavily driven by reviews. For a local business, there typically are few reviewers, so spamming reviews is far more effective than creating link farms.

    Google is not too good at filtering out phony businesses, either. See "Dominating Google Maps- The Most Effective Spam Ever And What You Can Learn From It", from an aggressive search engine optimization firm. That's an outright scam that fools Google easily.

    Over on Bing, it's even worse. Search Bing for "New York City Locksmith". All 5 of the Bing locations listed are the same company, and they don't really have all those locations.

  30. The Wolf Shirt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny
    Is this fake? Sure, but it's fake poetry

    This item has wolves on it which makes it intrinsically sweet and worth 5 stars by itself, but once I tried it on, that's when the magic happened. After checking to ensure that the shirt would properly cover my girth, I walked from my trailer to Wal-mart with the shirt on and was immediately approached by women. The women knew from the wolves on my shirt that I, like a wolf, am a mysterious loner who knows how to 'howl at the moon' from time to time (if you catch my drift!). The women that approached me wanted to know if I would be their boyfriend and/or give them money for something they called mehth. I told them no, because they didn't have enough teeth, and frankly a man with a wolf-shirt shouldn't settle for the first thing that comes to him.

    I arrived at Wal-mart, mounted my courtesy-scooter (walking is such a drag!) sitting side saddle so that my wolves would show. While I was browsing tube socks, I could hear aroused asthmatic breathing behind me. I turned around to see a slightly sweaty dream in sweatpants and flip-flops standing there. She told me she liked the wolves on my shirt, I told her I wanted to howl at her moon. She offered me a swig from her mountain dew, and I drove my scooter, with her shuffling along side out the door and into the rest of our lives. Thank you wolf shirt.

    Pros: Fits my girthy frame, has wolves on it, attracts women
    Cons: Only 3 wolves (could probably use a few more on the 'guns'), cannot see wolves when sitting with arms crossed, wolves would have been better if they glowed in the dark.

    1. Re:The Wolf Shirt by jomama717 · · Score: 1, Insightful
      In spite of the fact that I just wasted 45 minutes of my work day reading Wolf Shirt reviews (er, and slashdot :) ), I have to thank you for this post... these are waaay too funny to be complaining about. Some selections:
      • The Three Wolf Moon T-Shirt gave me a +10 resistance to energy attacks, +8 Strength, and added 30 feet to my normal leap. I cannot list the specific effects involving the opposite sex as I am still discovering these. And they are many.
      • In Soviet Russia, I could afford two wolf on shirt for 4000 ruples ($25). Thanks to free market economy, I can have three wolf for $11.95. Its very good deal.
      • I admit it, I'm a ladies' man. And when you put this shirt on a ladies' man, it's like giving an AK-47 to a ninja.
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  31. Woot.Com has the same problem. by blair1q · · Score: 1

    Oh wait. That's their business model.

    Never mind.

    1. Re:Woot.Com has the same problem. by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Of course, Amazon.Com bought Woot.Com last year. Probably because of the business model. I see a pattern emerging.

  32. epinions and Consumer Reports by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only reviews I take at all seriously are at epinions.com and ConsumerReports.org .

    And I read only the negative reviews for anything, anyway. Once I'm looking at something reviewed, I probably already want it, so I'm looking for reasons not to get it. And negative reviews are harder to write convincingly without actually knowing something about the thing and its context, anyway. Anyone mad enough at something to go to all that trouble is itself an honestly negative review.

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    1. Re:epinions and Consumer Reports by HikingStick · · Score: 2

      Do you still read only the negative reviews if they are overwhelmingly outnumbered by positive ones (e.g., 1 in 50)? At Amazon, I tend to look at the overall rating, and then the percentage of negative reviews. A quick scan of the negative reviews, and the more substantive positive reviews, typically gives me a good feel for a product/brand/seller.

      Have you ever run into instances where all the negative reviews are from a few years ago? I've run into some products that, though they still have the same model number, have been significantly improved between when the negative reviews were posted and the present day.

      I was just wondering--no other reason for this reply.

      BTW--I've never bothered with epinions--I never considered it a reliable source, but I also trust reviews at consumerreports.

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    2. Re:epinions and Consumer Reports by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I was exaggerating, because there are some times (unusual) when I'm turning to reviews before understanding the thing, in which case I sometimes read positive reviews for a description by someone else who's dealt with it personally. I also read positive reviews sometimes if I'm choosing between multiple strong candidates whose negatives haven't already decided it.

      But I do count the number of positives, or rather the ratio of positives to negatives, which depending on the thing might weight my overall take on the reviews. I'll scan positives to discount a high count if a lot are redundant, or if I can quickly disagree with them. And of course the same with negatives, though just their presence usually counts for something. And I do whatever I can to ensure the reviews are relevant to the actual thing I'm evaluating, not something else like a previous model.

      Overall, the negatives are much more important, while the positives are usually irrelevant.

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    3. Re:epinions and Consumer Reports by Surt · · Score: 1

      Yep, no one ever reverse-astroturfed their competitor's product on epinions!

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    4. Re:epinions and Consumer Reports by turing_m · · Score: 1

      Anyone mad enough at something to go to all that trouble is itself an honestly negative review.

      It's just as easy for me to believe that a negative review has been faked than a positive review. Imagine a company with a worse product than a competitor. A 1-3 star reviews on the competitor's product will drag it down more than a 5 star review will bring it up (assuming the average is near 5 stars). And often the negative reviews come straight out of bizarro-land, attracting comments from the positive reviews.

      FWIW I find the amazon reviews mostly reliable, especially when it comes to different offerings from one company. If they were gamed, surely the gaming would not differentiate between different products of approximately the same price. The key is to read every review, especially the most helpful, with your BS detector activated.

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    5. Re:epinions and Consumer Reports by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Well, of course when I read the negative reviews I don't take them without skepticism.

      Everything on the Web goes through my BS detector first. My point is that the positive reviews don't give me enough useful info to be worth my time, even if the negative reviews aren't gospel.

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    6. Re:epinions and Consumer Reports by geekoid · · Score: 1

      when I am looking at reviews I have decided to buy something like it. So positive and negative are important to me.

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    7. Re:epinions and Consumer Reports by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the clarification. We approach things in a similar manner. I agree that the negatives can be an initial litmus test if that's the majority of what's there, and I, too, will often read more of the positive reviews if I'm looking to sway my choice between similar items (e.g., to purchase the standard or "pro" model).

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    8. Re:epinions and Consumer Reports by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think it's "scientific method" culture. Once a statement is articulated, like "I want this", I then don't accept the statement until I've tried to prove it wrong. And because of the asocial cycle that creates and sustains someone in that culture, I don't articulate statements like "I want this" just because someone else is saying they want it.

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    9. Re:epinions and Consumer Reports by keith_nt4 · · Score: 1

      Ever since Consumer Reports chose the 3DO as the favorite of all the consoles because of the "upgradability" of the coming add-on I completely ignore them. I mean granted it's been at least 15 years since then but geeks like me don't forget (or forgive) a thing like that.

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    10. Re:epinions and Consumer Reports by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      So one wrong call and you ignore all their other research? Your loss.

      OTOH, you're quoting Dennis Miller in your .sig. His batting average disqualifies both of you ;).

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  33. Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guess you didn't get the memo. We're not DDOSing Amazon at the moment. Please post article relating to paypal.com.

    Anonymous (Coward)

  34. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen the opposite problem. About two years ago I bought a $100+ textbook that was supposedly an intro to data processing. Even though I've worked in IT for 30+ years and I'm currently the CIO of a small IT consulting company, I had to get the book for a course I was taking at the time. I thought the book was terrible -- poorly organized, outdated information, etc. -- and I wrote a fairly negative review. My review appeared only briefly, then was apparently deleted.

  35. Clever, Payback by jomama717 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wonder if one prong of an organized DDoS attack on site X is posting a story about site X on slashdot. More likely all of the hubbub has the conspiracy center of my brain in overdrive...

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    1. Re:Clever, Payback by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're modded funny, and yet, perhaps correct.

  36. Some of these are real products! by Ken_g6 · · Score: 1

    While it's obvious that the Parent Child Test product isn't real, some or all of the others probably are!

    First of all, you really can buy uranium ore. If nowhere else, you can go on ebay and get a revigator. Lots of countries can and do dig up uranium ore; but it takes a lot of processing to do anything nuclear-chain-reaction-related with it.

    I'm pretty sure the rabbit is real, probably sent packed in ice or something. Rabbit meat is sold; I once ate rabbit bought at a local grocery store.

    The only thing suspicious about the milk is its price. I'm sure milk can be easily bought online.

    So some or all of these products are real products that have been the unfair butt of too many jokes.

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    1. Re:Some of these are real products! by Kazymyr · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Some of these are real products! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not a joke. Ladybugs really are sold in packages like that. It is quite a popular product with organic gardeners, as the ladybugs eat aphids which destroy roses and other plants.

  37. Amazon reviews...they know about it. by HikingStick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's why they started including the "verified purchase" link. If the reviewer bought the product through Amazon before leaving the review, that flag is applied to the review. It's intended to make consumers more confident that the reviews are from real owners of the product.

    At the same time, it was another way Amazon was trying to put some parameters around its reviewer community. A lot of them out there are very picky about their status as reviewers, and many voiced concerns about people who were just going online and writing reviews for anything and everything. The way I figure it, most shoppers will be able to tell the difference between a well-thought out review, and a lot of the brief first impressions, one-liners, and flames ("It didn't work out of the box--I'll never buy from that company again!") that abound.

    For the record, I am a regular reviewer at Amazon, but don't get my undies in a bunch about the interal squabbles. I'm happy being a top-2,000 reviewer for now, and hope to make the top 100 someday. Contrary to Amazon's advice, which states that shorter reviews are most helpful, some of my highest rated reviews are quite long and fairly detailed. I always try to include information that might make a difference in someone's purchasing decision--the same type of information I was often seeking before making a purchase.

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  38. Dammit! by Steauengeglase · · Score: 2

    Now I'm gonna have to crush like 20 yellow Fiestaware pitchers to test my homemade GM tubes. Thanks for nothing Amazon.

    1. Re:Dammit! by pz · · Score: 1

      Now I'm gonna have to crush like 20 yellow Fiestaware pitchers to test my homemade GM tubes. Thanks for nothing Amazon.

      I'm pretty sure you want to be smashing the orange-red ones.

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    2. Re:Dammit! by Steauengeglase · · Score: 1

      $%^&#@, reviewers got me again.

  39. Completely Disclaimed by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 2

    If you look closely, there's actually a pretty thorough disclaimer for these products.

    "Disclaimer: While we work to ensure that product information is correct, on occasion manufacturers may alter their ingredient lists. Actual product packaging and materials may contain more and/or different information than that shown on our Web site. We recommend that you do not solely rely on the information presented and that you always read labels, warnings, and directions before using or consuming a product. For additional information about a product, please contact the manufacturer. Content on this site is for reference purposes and is not intended to substitute for advice given by a physician, pharmacist, or other licensed health-care professional. You should not use this information as self-diagnosis or for treating a health problem or disease. Contact your health-care provider immediately if you suspect that you have a medical problem. Information and statements regarding dietary supplements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration and are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease or health condition. Amazon.com assumes no liability for inaccuracies or misstatements about products."

    Not much left to chance on that.

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  40. What makes you think the *products* are fake? by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 2

    Some might be, but the uranium probably isn't. You can also order it from United Nuclear. The vendor on Amazon, Images SI, has a website that offers various scientific kits, geiger counters, and, yes, radioactive samples like the same uranium ore they sell on Amazon.

    Granted, Tuscan Whole Milk is now wholly fake, but it might have been real at one point. I've even seen a Tuscan Milk truck here in Massachusetts.

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    1. Re:What makes you think the *products* are fake? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tuscan Whole Milk is real. It's sold in NYC, for example.

    2. Re:What makes you think the *products* are fake? by greg1104 · · Score: 1

      Tuscan Dairy Farms. Only sold in the area around New York City, from north New Jersey out to Long Island, but fairly popular there; drank many gallons of it during the years I lived there. The idea of buying milk online from Amazon and having it delivered was always is a bit odd, even before the spoof reviews started.

    3. Re:What makes you think the *products* are fake? by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

      Right. I should have been more specific. The Amazon *listing* is now wholly fake. Perhaps it was real at some point, some local grocer's bright idea.

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  41. Online reviews are mostly useless anyways by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    My favorite is to start researching a product and get into the reviews.

    I often find the same review is cross-posted, copied, plagiarized, and just plain rewritten over and over. Sometimes I search on a distinctive phrase and marvel at how many different sites carry this crap. It both dilutes the trustworthiness (IMHO these review whores are just untrustworthy) and potential accuracy of reviews.

    I read through reviews pretty carefully anyways, as I have read glowing reviews of products that I've purchased, and the stuff was just plain junk. And we've all read scathing reviews from someone (or apparently 'many') and in the end realized they had a bad experience, but their expectations were simply outlandish, and their resolution skills are totally lacking.

    But that's just me.

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  42. You're right, it's an absolute travesty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also, you forgot the Preferred (All Aluminum) Bleachers and the JL421 Badonkadonk tank!

  43. poor timothy by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    Timothy>and it bothers me

    Wow, dude, if you think these practices are new, then you need to wake up to the 19th century, from the snake oil scamming
    to today's fake reviews, man has always been easily lead or swayed by use of misinformation or misrepresentation of information.
    We could easily say that the reviews on Ebay are all fake too, and a good number of them are too, but you would need to develop a whole AI robot that scraped through the info of each user, then double checked that list to a list from the sellers to avoid self promotion, as well as another robot that includes a verification system through associated bank accounts, that none of the user leaving reviews are associated in anyway to the sellers, even then, there still is so many ways of fooling a computer, that you would need someone to analyze the way the reviews are written to see any similarities and check to see if there is not an autobot posting reviews...etc...etc...

    1. Re:poor timothy by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should try parsing that again.

    2. Re:poor timothy by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      A parse, is a parse when a parse is a parse...neigh!

  44. Reality is Overrated by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 0

    Just read Exodus, and the only reason Heaven is not on the "10 worst" list is that God keeps 'moderating' the reviews.

  45. Re:How easy it was to apparently fake product revi by Surt · · Score: 3, Informative

    Even more shocking is how easy it is to fake penthouse letters.

    A lot of people joke about this, but penthouse actually sends fact finders out to verify all penthouse letters. They talk to all the parties involved, and require a reenactment before publishing.

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  46. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  47. Reviews are ALWAYS to be mistrusted by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    A review is always written by another person, unless you are reading your own review which is just disturbing and probably costs a lot of puppy lives, who has other expectations, needs and wants.

    Take a hole in the head, in don't need it. So if I were to review that product, I would be very negative, complain abouts it lack of use, the blinding pain and agony and the fact that the company failed to refund me for my funeral.

    But if you are in the market for that product for whatever reason YOU might want it. Some people are after in need of a hole in the head and so would review it totally differently.

    And what if the reviewer is not a user but a 3rd party, who just happens to get paid by ad revenue from Holes-R-Us? What if I bought it and now had to defend my purchase to myself so I review it glowingly rather then admit I had been delusional when buying it?

    Amazon reviews are "famous" for being all over the place. Amazon itself has absolutely no quality control of any kind and anyone can post a review. Cue sellers writing their own reviews.

    The way around this all is to check before you buy. Is there only one review that is glowing yet ratings are low, nobody else seems to have bought it? What about reviews on other sites. A good thing will be talked about.

    Just checking one site for reviews, like the poster does, is just plain stupid. Does he only watch the BBC for his news? Only check one car dealer for his car?

    Buyer beware. Always been true, always will be.

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    You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.

  48. Ironic by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Needless to say, relationships have since worsened, and he has recently ended up in the hospital

    Which ironically was caused by him ordering an office chair for himself and prompty being attacked by a bobcat when he opened the box.

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  49. The world isn't idiot-proof. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Deal with it.

  50. Being super SERIAL here... by ProfessorKaos64 · · Score: 0

    I wonder if anyone has tried to buy any of these fake items to just see if anything would happen lol. I mean the ladybugs are only 24.05 (4500 lady bugs), XD. Hilarious stuff.

  51. Re:How easy it was to apparently fake product revi by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

    What sucks is they brought in body doubles for the reenactment.

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  52. How to use Amazon reviews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Skip the positive reviews. 5 star ratings are worthless. If it's an expensive item, people are going to have a favorable opinion because they have to justify to themselves why the TV/card/widget they just dropped a few paychecks on is the greatest they've ever had, and it's perfect in every way. Many people never also own a competing product to give first hand experience why they opinion is justified. You also get the "astroturf" reviews from people who have a financial interest in pumping up the product -- many are right out of press releases. At 3 or 4 stars, people start telling about how good it is, except for a couple issues that nag them (short battery life, cheap knob broke off, missing a feature a competitor has, etc). 1 and 2 stars usually are for broken products/QA issues. It's often a shipping or DOA complaint,but sometimes there are a bunch of low because the as-sen-on-TV product really is a cheap piece of crap that doesn't do what it claims. Lousy customer support complaints also live here.

    1. Re:How to use Amazon reviews by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 2

      1 star reviews are often rants, or people who didn't even buy the thing they're ranting about.

      For instance, in kindle books, the 1 star reviews are probably the anti-DRM fanatics, or people complaining about the price (fair enough, but if I'm looking for a review of the content, I'm probably okay with the price.)

      2-4 stars are the one where people put some thought into it.

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  53. What! This is fake? by mpsmps · · Score: 1

    There goes my Chanukah present

  54. Testicles by glowworm · · Score: 1

    So many of these products are real, the true mirth in them is the reviews. Although the one for Fresh Rabbits in TFA was funny, I can't get past this one... http://www.amazon.com/Male-Testicular-Exam-Model-Anatomy/dp/B0006TYJV6/ref=pd_sbs_gro_10

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  55. This is the best thing ever! by ravrazor · · Score: 1

    Obviously some people here are having some problems understanding how fake reviews on a product can be a bad thing.

    Well, here's a simple explanation: The first thing to consider is the number of sentences in the review which can easily create a new way of making the possibility of the review real. There is many ways that the review can be re-rated with absolutely no way that a review can be made more complex. If you're going to spend time reading a review, it's important to make sure that you are on the line of the _best_ possible reviewer, and there is no reason that the reviewers would be rating products with the number of stars that make a rating.

    ALWAYS remember that looking for the proper relevance for the product is a required step in determining if there is resonance with the reviews posted and the actual quality of the reviewer. Pay attention to the number of reviews that do not result in a reviewer having the amount of stars needed to produce the product as needed. There is an inherent danger in the reviewer making reviews that are following the actual methodology of reviewing a product that only conforms to the regulated Amazon policies on posting reviews. The reviews that are making fun of products that are obviously a definite cause of people not believing in the sheer obliviousness some people have, who also do not pay any attention to the star-rating that is attached to reviews. Reading a review that only serves to create a more environmentally-friendly to the whole concept of "rating a product" is the ultimate use of these reviews. The false elements that don't add information about a product just create a method of rating a product with no possible recourse for the person who is determining the ability of the reviewer to pay attention or be humorous AT THE SAME TIME. This is the main reason that there should be stricter monitoring of comments that create an environment of "ratability" around certain items that only serve to confuse and obscure the rating that is the product, verifying that the product makes a legitimate use of rating systems.

    Amazon relies on these reviewers to create long blocks of text that can be classified as reviews, with the people who post them eventually being classified as reviewers. The problem with this system is the reviewer ends up being the person who is not only paying for the product, but paying the most attention to the other reviews that are posted. With the meta-moderation, some reviews can be re-reviewed and posted as a review within a review, this is known as meta-moderating and is currently in use on many sites that rely on the posts of anonymous netizens to create a reasonable environment that allows others to read the feedback of the other reviews and products. You'll notice I included products in that list, because it is important that the product is considered when trying to determine the veracity of the posting. Only without the ratings can a real use of time be used, otherwise there will be a waste of time that accompanies the use of the problems that occur when ratings are used to differentiate between the useful products and useless product ratings.

    There is no real reason why anyone should be posting a rating for the product that does not correlate with the rating it received. If we allow ratings to determine which product is ultimately purchased or researched by a person on the internet, there will never be a useful basis for the product. Why would anyone want the product to correlate with the number of stars that are received in a large number of products? Ratings are the key to this and it is necessary to ensure that the products that are being rated ARE BEING RATED.

    Obviously this is something people here just don't get.

  56. 3 wolfs t-shirt by carpefishus · · Score: 2

    Here an example of how funny fake reveiws help drive incredible sales of a real item. http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Three-Short-Sleeve-Medium/dp/B000NZW3J8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=apparel&qid=1291935780&sr=8-3-catcorr

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  57. Fool me once by tnovelli · · Score: 0

    I bought some laptop adapters on Amazon a few months ago. I chose one with about 20 good reviews, 4-5 stars..... and what do I get in the mail? Cheap, clunky adapters with ill-fitting plugs. Bait and switch.

    This is just one more reason I'm not giving Amazon my business unless the company changes its ways.

  58. None of those products are *fake* by assantisz · · Score: 1

    I have no clue how the poster came to the conclusion that milk, a slaughtered rabbit, or the uranium ore are fake. Are they unusual for online ordering? Not really. Milk can be ordered online, rabbit can be had from online delicatessen stores, etc. Sure, the reviews are silly but so what?

  59. Re:How easy it was to apparently fake product revi by dragonbutt · · Score: 0

    What sucks is they brought in body doubles for the reenactment.

    In this case... probably a good thing.

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  60. price drop in response to Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The price of Tuscan Milk has been dropping. Maybe the economy is getting better. *Cough*

  61. Re:How easy it was to apparently fake product revi by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Even more shocking is how easy it is to fake penthouse letters.

    A lot of people joke about this, but penthouse actually sends fact finders out to verify all penthouse letters. They talk to all the parties involved, and require a reenactment before publishing.

    I'm not entirely sure I believe you.

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  62. Reviews of the Bible by Beige · · Score: 1

    I quite like reading reviews of the Bible. They are very entertaining except for the excessively positive ones which don't really ring true. You can take a joke too far you know.

    http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-English-Standard-Version/dp/1581345968/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291975710&sr=1-3

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  63. Re:I've seen what I assume were paid reviews too.. by tehcyder · · Score: 1
    If Microsoft can charge $80 for an upgrade and people are willing to pay it, why shouldn't they? It's not like the netbook doesn't work with the starter edition.

    Oh, and it's Mencken.

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  64. Not exactly an authoritative source by ElmoGonzo · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't trust the opinion of Amazon users anyway.

  65. Re:How easy it was to apparently fake product revi by Surt · · Score: 1

    But I was moderated +2 informative!

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