I'm going to stop this here before it gets out of hand, but you are a prime example of why development will become a commodity and bid out to the lowest priced outsource shop. You think you know more about how to do it then anyone else, and think things only work and are good if they are bulky and procedurized.
I have worked for your "Enterprise" and I can tell you that when put head to head against a small nimble group, the "Enterprise" always loses.
Worked for a small but successful financial firm that was purchased by a large formerly successful financial firm. The big firm bought the little firm because we had eaten their lunch with 10% of the people and overhead.
During integration, the employees from the "bigger" firm thought we were stupid, and didn't know how to run a business, because we could come to a meeting and leave with decisions already having been made, opposed to the large firm, where they scheduled meetings to discuss the previous meetings before making a decision.
Long story short, 4 years later, almost all the employees of the "larger" firm are gone, and most of the employees of the "smaller" firm are senior management.
You find it laughable because your not smart enough to comprehend it any other way. Think outside the box.
Your solution requires ridiculous amounts of overhead which doesn't contribute to the bottom line. When you hire every Joe Schmoe developer that walks in the door, then maybe you need to explain things over and over, have meetings, write specs, etc.
But when you hire the best of the best, people who are smart, those things are unnecessary.
Shane
Ross,
You nailed it right on the head. In each of the "groups" in our organizations (IT, Dev, etc.) there are "leaders" who were hired specifically for their ability to make decision, experience, etc... So when I said we had no process, I really meant written processes.
Thanks for helping me clarify exactly what I was try to say!
My developers do know every facet of our system, and although the problem is complex, we've been able to build a framework that makes the development process modular.
See most systems are just basically flawed, stuffed with middleware and proprietary systems that require complex solutions to problems.
People need to wake up and realize there are simple solutions to complex problems. Project Managers and the like are only required when you have people on your team who can't see past the end of their noses.
Wake up, this is why coding is being outsourced to India. Those developers don't sit in meetings or write up project plans and the end result of their labor is some pretty damn good code. We like to feel important to we create meetings and projects plans so we can get credit and recognition of the things we do.
I'm glad there are people out there like you who think meetings and project plans have anything to do with productivity and organization. I work for a company who's entire business is based around being nimble and trusting our employees to make educated decisions rather then having to bring everyone into a room to discuss it before moving forward.
We choose our hires very carefully for this very reason, and don't hesitate to terminate someone who can't get it done. We are EXTREMELY productive and very organized but don't really on charts and powerpoint presentations. Frankly if we were more procedure driven, we couldn't do what we do.
Everyone thinks that in order to bring stability to an IT organization you have to have process, and this might be true if you hire run of the mill low quality techs, but if you hire smart, you'd be amazed what you can get done when your employees can take ownership.
This guy obviously does not have half a clue about Linux, Microsoft or for that matter which end is up.
To say that people who program on Linux stay up to write Windows viruses, is equivelant to saying that every democrat stays up all night planting evidence against the republic president.
Until recently (last two years), the largest of the electronic stock markets (ISLAND ECN)still ran thousands of DOS machines, hacked up to support extra memory on Pentium III's and Pentium IV's all running Fox Pro.
Dos is the best product EVER to come out of MS, and I am sure will be for sometime.
I know alot of the guys who run this project. Used to work with all of them at PrimeLink in Plattsburgh, NY http://www.primelink1.net/>
Two of the guys were direct reports of mine as a matter of fact.
Anyway, servicing consumers in Burlington, is phase 2 of the plan. Phase 1 which has already been completed was to provide service to all the government agencies, which they have completed.
Good group of guys, spread across, internet networking and telecom.
The price of the stock was really irrelevent, as they only considered trades erroneous if they took place at a price more then 15% more/less then the previous last sale for that stock.
Not to mention this really only affected stock which had no trades for the Thursday 5/12 trade day, thus having a quote of 0 x 1900.
I don't know about this... I work for an electronic marketplace and frankly when a trade takes place on our system, there is no middleman.
Our system uses strick time/price priority to ensure that the first person to enter an order at a given price, is always given the first execution.
A floor based (human specialist based) system can never guarantee this, as it's in their best interest to step in front of that first trade and make the money on the spread.
Pure electronic systems like INET, ARCA, BRUT, etc are the way to go and guarantee their subscribers that they are never stepping in front of their flow and trading for their own purposes.
A human middleman provides no benefit other then to risk his corruption and screw that individual small block investor.
I was actively involved in todays "mess." The root cause of the problem was related to the prices which were using for electronically making markets in stocks which did not have any trades yesterday.
When there is no activety for a stock in a day, the price quote is always 0 x 1900. The median of these two numbers is 950.
A firm who makes markets in ALOT of stocks, accidentally changed their systems to use the midpoint at yesterdays close instead of the normal final print.
So they started putting up quotes at 950.00 thus causing the problem.
All the trades 15% out of the market from the previous close were broken. The money wasn't "removed" from peoples accounts since the proceeds or loses from a buy or sale of stock aren't realized for atleast 3 days.
Why would I bother? With the price of flash media for cameras so low, why would I want to carry around a hard drive that can break?
I say buy a bunch of 1gig compact flash cards and put them in your pocket. Alot smaller then 2.5 inches.
-shane
I find it personally interesting that we can find a vaccine for something like SARS so quickly in relative terms, however we still struggle to even understand how to attack the HIV virus.
Does anyone else share my curiosity?
I know that countries like China do not have the liability issues that drug companies here in the US have, so they are able to test canidates on humans far quicker. But I wonder if given their governments views if they are even looking at things like HIV.
Surely you jest... There are lots of things companies do that are technically "illegal" but since you have trained employees performing these tasks, the authorities would NEVER (I'd like to see it stick) follow through on charges against the trained individuals.
As for the SAN issue, thats why you image the disk bit for bit, and NEVER EVER even boot the laptop. You don't back it up to the SAN, you back it up to a "clean" drive which has been verified with software specific for this task. What your left with is an EXACT bit-for-bit duplicate of the laptops data, complete with timestamps and file ownership.
You do this all with MULTIPLE witnesses, with all of them signing the chain of custody. Trust me, this holds up in court.
It's hard to say that representatives from multiple divisions of the company would come together to implicate a fellow co-worker.
It is true that it is "technically" illegal, however you would be hard pressed to find a prosecutor willing to put their name on the documents to arrest someone who viewed "illegal" materials in the course of an investigation. Especially if by viewing that information the real criminal was brought to justice.
However a good question and something we did think of while putting together our policy.
Many financial firms including the one where I work, have instituted internal forensic security policies to help limit corporate liability. In our case, we have caught and successfully prosecuted employees for pornography on corporate assets (including child pornography in one case.)
There are designated employees on the forensic team in each department who are responisble for witnessing the process and documenting the chain of custody for data and items.
We've invested in specific equipment, including network sniffers (other then those used by the network group), hard drive replicators, log books, and materials for collection and storage of evidence.
Everything has a chain of custody and is then turned over to the proper authorities.
As far as the law is concerned since the employee does not have a right or expectation of privacy when working on a corporate asset, everything we take is completely legal. As long as we mantain an effective chain of custody it will likely hold up on court.
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I'm going to stop this here before it gets out of hand, but you are a prime example of why development will become a commodity and bid out to the lowest priced outsource shop. You think you know more about how to do it then anyone else, and think things only work and are good if they are bulky and procedurized. I have worked for your "Enterprise" and I can tell you that when put head to head against a small nimble group, the "Enterprise" always loses. Worked for a small but successful financial firm that was purchased by a large formerly successful financial firm. The big firm bought the little firm because we had eaten their lunch with 10% of the people and overhead. During integration, the employees from the "bigger" firm thought we were stupid, and didn't know how to run a business, because we could come to a meeting and leave with decisions already having been made, opposed to the large firm, where they scheduled meetings to discuss the previous meetings before making a decision. Long story short, 4 years later, almost all the employees of the "larger" firm are gone, and most of the employees of the "smaller" firm are senior management.
You find it laughable because your not smart enough to comprehend it any other way. Think outside the box. Your solution requires ridiculous amounts of overhead which doesn't contribute to the bottom line. When you hire every Joe Schmoe developer that walks in the door, then maybe you need to explain things over and over, have meetings, write specs, etc. But when you hire the best of the best, people who are smart, those things are unnecessary. Shane
Ross, You nailed it right on the head. In each of the "groups" in our organizations (IT, Dev, etc.) there are "leaders" who were hired specifically for their ability to make decision, experience, etc... So when I said we had no process, I really meant written processes. Thanks for helping me clarify exactly what I was try to say!
My developers do know every facet of our system, and although the problem is complex, we've been able to build a framework that makes the development process modular. See most systems are just basically flawed, stuffed with middleware and proprietary systems that require complex solutions to problems. People need to wake up and realize there are simple solutions to complex problems. Project Managers and the like are only required when you have people on your team who can't see past the end of their noses. Wake up, this is why coding is being outsourced to India. Those developers don't sit in meetings or write up project plans and the end result of their labor is some pretty damn good code. We like to feel important to we create meetings and projects plans so we can get credit and recognition of the things we do.
I'm glad there are people out there like you who think meetings and project plans have anything to do with productivity and organization. I work for a company who's entire business is based around being nimble and trusting our employees to make educated decisions rather then having to bring everyone into a room to discuss it before moving forward.
We choose our hires very carefully for this very reason, and don't hesitate to terminate someone who can't get it done. We are EXTREMELY productive and very organized but don't really on charts and powerpoint presentations. Frankly if we were more procedure driven, we couldn't do what we do.
Everyone thinks that in order to bring stability to an IT organization you have to have process, and this might be true if you hire run of the mill low quality techs, but if you hire smart, you'd be amazed what you can get done when your employees can take ownership.
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To say that people who program on Linux stay up to write Windows viruses, is equivelant to saying that every democrat stays up all night planting evidence against the republic president.
Get a clue!
Just like your jealous of the rest of us here on /. for having a hole brain, you half brained nit wit.
Until recently (last two years), the largest of the electronic stock markets (ISLAND ECN)still ran thousands of DOS machines, hacked up to support extra memory on Pentium III's and Pentium IV's all running Fox Pro. Dos is the best product EVER to come out of MS, and I am sure will be for sometime.
I say we turn this into a Class Action lawsuit, her's can't be the only horoscope thats been horribly altered.
Two of the guys were direct reports of mine as a matter of fact.
Anyway, servicing consumers in Burlington, is phase 2 of the plan. Phase 1 which has already been completed was to provide service to all the government agencies, which they have completed.
Good group of guys, spread across, internet networking and telecom.
If I had to guess they will meet their 2007 date.
The person does get penalized, they get charged a fee for causing a "clearly erroneous trade."
Not to mention this really only affected stock which had no trades for the Thursday 5/12 trade day, thus having a quote of 0 x 1900.
Our system uses strick time/price priority to ensure that the first person to enter an order at a given price, is always given the first execution.
A floor based (human specialist based) system can never guarantee this, as it's in their best interest to step in front of that first trade and make the money on the spread.
Pure electronic systems like INET, ARCA, BRUT, etc are the way to go and guarantee their subscribers that they are never stepping in front of their flow and trading for their own purposes.
A human middleman provides no benefit other then to risk his corruption and screw that individual small block investor.
I was actively involved in todays "mess." The root cause of the problem was related to the prices which were using for electronically making markets in stocks which did not have any trades yesterday. When there is no activety for a stock in a day, the price quote is always 0 x 1900. The median of these two numbers is 950. A firm who makes markets in ALOT of stocks, accidentally changed their systems to use the midpoint at yesterdays close instead of the normal final print. So they started putting up quotes at 950.00 thus causing the problem. All the trades 15% out of the market from the previous close were broken. The money wasn't "removed" from peoples accounts since the proceeds or loses from a buy or sale of stock aren't realized for atleast 3 days.
Right, but why would I buy a HD, when I could buy an iPOD. -s
Has no one seen the belkin Media Reader for the IPOD? It allows you to automatically read your media onto the iPOD. Why would I want a HD enclosure?
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Why would I bother? With the price of flash media for cameras so low, why would I want to carry around a hard drive that can break? I say buy a bunch of 1gig compact flash cards and put them in your pocket. Alot smaller then 2.5 inches. -shane
But kind of gas mileage did you get at 130 mph.
I find it personally interesting that we can find a vaccine for something like SARS so quickly in relative terms, however we still struggle to even understand how to attack the HIV virus.
Does anyone else share my curiosity?
I know that countries like China do not have the liability issues that drug companies here in the US have, so they are able to test canidates on humans far quicker. But I wonder if given their governments views if they are even looking at things like HIV.
Just my two cents.
Surely you jest... There are lots of things companies do that are technically "illegal" but since you have trained employees performing these tasks, the authorities would NEVER (I'd like to see it stick) follow through on charges against the trained individuals. As for the SAN issue, thats why you image the disk bit for bit, and NEVER EVER even boot the laptop. You don't back it up to the SAN, you back it up to a "clean" drive which has been verified with software specific for this task. What your left with is an EXACT bit-for-bit duplicate of the laptops data, complete with timestamps and file ownership. You do this all with MULTIPLE witnesses, with all of them signing the chain of custody. Trust me, this holds up in court. It's hard to say that representatives from multiple divisions of the company would come together to implicate a fellow co-worker.
Did they study which hand the chimps pleasured themselves with and if that was linked to anything??
I'd certainly be interested to find out...
It is true that it is "technically" illegal, however you would be hard pressed to find a prosecutor willing to put their name on the documents to arrest someone who viewed "illegal" materials in the course of an investigation. Especially if by viewing that information the real criminal was brought to justice. However a good question and something we did think of while putting together our policy.
In many cases, the employees were just fired. In others however employees were prosecuted for their crimes (theft, etc).
We have also had employees sued for Sexual Harrassment for viewing pornography on a publically viewable terminal.
Many financial firms including the one where I work, have instituted internal forensic security policies to help limit corporate liability. In our case, we have caught and successfully prosecuted employees for pornography on corporate assets (including child pornography in one case.)
There are designated employees on the forensic team in each department who are responisble for witnessing the process and documenting the chain of custody for data and items.
We've invested in specific equipment, including network sniffers (other then those used by the network group), hard drive replicators, log books, and materials for collection and storage of evidence.
Everything has a chain of custody and is then turned over to the proper authorities.
As far as the law is concerned since the employee does not have a right or expectation of privacy when working on a corporate asset, everything we take is completely legal. As long as we mantain an effective chain of custody it will likely hold up on court.
Just my two cents. Your mileage may vary.