You know the sad part about all this is what is written tends to define the lawsuit. That is, the EULA specifically states the "rules" of their game. I have watched enough Judge shows at lunch (Judge Alex, Texas Justice, Judge Joe Brown...yeah yeah I don't get extended cable) to know that if you do have something written, you end up with the proof. If you don't, you are screwed.
Unfortunately for anti-spyware companies in this case, there was a specific clause that said essentially "you can't analyze our shit".
I'm no lawyer, but it sounds like the good guys are gonna get the short end of the deal in this situation because of a "technicality".
Perhaps bartenders should go this route and have their patrons sign a legal disclaimer everytime they get a drink. That way, just incase he/she get drunk, they are unable to sue the bar(tender) for damages when they drive their car into a field full of cows. Hey technically that would cover the farmer for suing for the cows too right?
I have two DNS servers I run where I work. I, the sole network administrator, OWN AND CONTROL YOUR SO CALLED INTERNET!!!
But seriously, is this the same story being repeated for the 3rd (4th, 5th, 6th???) time? I keep reading these articles and seem to come to the same conclusion: They are going to talk about this in Tunisia in November.
"Exactly the only way for us to get raises is to find a better paying job. "
Workin on that man...I hear ya! My 3% raise doesn't even get me a full tank of gas per paycheck (biweekly) and I'm a network admin!!! I wish the company would realize that although I may be semi-expendible, the time and effort it takes to become intimately knowledgeable with the network/servers/etc...they are dumping money right down the drain. I'm not going to go on because I do this rant mentally everyday and it gets me nowhere but frustrated. But like you said...If you aren't happy with the conditions and you know that's how it is, keep your eyes open for opportunties elsewhere. After all, you gotta look out for #1 (YOU).
And to these companies in Jersey that keep contacting me about jobs from Monster....I will not accept $37,000 to commute into NYC daily!!!!!!! Leave me alone. You are rediculous!
Do you all remember the story about the EA Sports programmer who was working the 70,80, and 90 hour weeks with endless promises? I don't remember the details exactly but he said he was getting paid really well but basically had to blow off the rest of his life and then they ended up screwing him in the long run. His wife filed a lawsuit and I think perhaps a class action was being spoken of by other employees that were scared to speak out.
$60,000 and no time to spend it? Awesome. Atleast you can hope that some hot chick sees you in your fancy ride on your way home at 10 PM at night.
Yes I agree....I can't take this topic anymore until the meeting in Tunisia. I think we all agree that we don't want to make our Internet browsing experience an Etherreal session.
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I agree...If I'm watching a DVD I'm going to be really concerned about the skin that I'm not seeing as I watch it.
And yes...only 2 or 3 comments...How could that link be./'d already?
Great now the RIAA is using slashdot. You basically went completely around the point and turned the argument around on me by saying I used a word wrong.
They still sued a fucking child after a failed attempt.
They better figure out that suing people isn't going to gain them any respect.
Yeah buddy...I was just thinking the same thing right before I saw your post...Now I don't have to post...Oh wait I am posting. Haha
This is sooooo true though in the IT field. I have tried to "fix" things at work and then had to actually fix them for the rest of the day. Nothing like making server changes and then spending 8 hours just to get it back to how it was before I ever even touched it.:)
And we are talking about countries here...not just a 50 some person manufacturing plant that makes a few people mad because they can't check the weather or get their CAD files from a file server.
Do NOT mess with a working routing/naming system. I saw the consequences of this with the Level 3/Cogent childlike fight a week or so ago. Our single homed connection + our bank's single homed connection = no wire transfers online...that's just a mild version of other country's problems to come if the EU is genious enough to cripple themselves.
Coincidentally this "Internet Fall Apart" time frame is the same as when Level 3 and Cogent are supposedly going to break up again.
Quite an interesting view there. This whole thing all together is really fascinating actually. Yesterday I thought it was all a DNS problem early in the morning then I started putting the pieces together.
I agree with you on your views there. Cogent could move on with the divorce but instead they are trying to get back together with their unreliable wife.
It's funny here too cause I get to sit back and watch the accounting people flip out since they can't get to the bank and I get to laugh and say "THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO" where as there normally is. This is a very unique situation and I'm definately interested to see how it all pans out. One way or the other, if we aren't back on the banks website next week I'm sure there are going to be some serious calls flying around.
I can't imagine how this is effecting large corporations right now. Hell we are just a small/medium business. Then again, a large corporation is probably not single homed.:)
ATLEAST I HAVE SLASHDOT! I can do without wikipedia and the bank.
Everybody wants to point the finger somewhere. The fact of the matter is, the link between Cogent and Level 3 was a major one. Many people took it for granted and didn't need an alternate route. Now they do.
I can see both sides of the argument. Level 3 says they are losing money and Cogent says "hey we are sharing! WTF".
This has got stuff screwed up pretty bad though. The mesh topology I thought that existed apparently does not. I'm assuming DNS is all whacked out too. My company belongs on the Cogent side of this and our bank happens to be on Level 3's side (in networking terms). So, we are unable to do any banking (hourly and daily wire transfers, etc). I assume if the bank was multihomed this wouldn't be a problem but it looks like there is only one way in for now.
The oddest part...I did a WHOIS at networksolutions.com for our banks website and it says they are 1.1.1.1??? Anybody seen that kind of behavior before?
Stories like this really make me want to throw up. I just don't understand how they can go forward with lawsuits like this and then sleep at night.
Sue your customers...that'll get em to like you. Maybe it's the same concept as beating up your insecure girlfriend. She'll just keep coming back because you "love her" and you are "doing it for her"??? And after all, she needs you right?
Don't we all need the RIAA? I mean, they are the ones creating all this great music for us. Not the artists.
Personally, I play in a band and seeing this stuff go on the past few years, I will never consider working with these theives.
"There is probably enough 'bad' about Bush for the UN to put the son of a bitch in jail."
So What are you saying here the UN is going to start doing their job? Oh like they should have in the 90's after Sadaam said they couldn't come in the country to do inspections, which I remind you is what started this whole damn thing anyways. Bush is finishing up what the Useless U.N. never even attempted to resolve.
Face it, the U.N. is a crock of shit whom doesn't stand up to the challenge when called upon. As far as I'm concerned, it shouldn't even exist. They have clearly shown they aren't going to hold up to their end of the bargain.
U.N.: "Sadaam, let us in the country or else."
Sadaam: "No."
U.N.: "Ok, sorry. We'll just let the U.S. fix it like they do everything else."
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Unfortunately for anti-spyware companies in this case, there was a specific clause that said essentially "you can't analyze our shit".
I'm no lawyer, but it sounds like the good guys are gonna get the short end of the deal in this situation because of a "technicality".
Perhaps bartenders should go this route and have their patrons sign a legal disclaimer everytime they get a drink. That way, just incase he/she get drunk, they are unable to sue the bar(tender) for damages when they drive their car into a field full of cows. Hey technically that would cover the farmer for suing for the cows too right?
Justice is Served once again!
So why are catholic teachers on myspace finding these blogs anyways? Just some food for thought.
But seriously, is this the same story being repeated for the 3rd (4th, 5th, 6th???) time? I keep reading these articles and seem to come to the same conclusion: They are going to talk about this in Tunisia in November.
Workin on that man...I hear ya! My 3% raise doesn't even get me a full tank of gas per paycheck (biweekly) and I'm a network admin!!! I wish the company would realize that although I may be semi-expendible, the time and effort it takes to become intimately knowledgeable with the network/servers/etc...they are dumping money right down the drain. I'm not going to go on because I do this rant mentally everyday and it gets me nowhere but frustrated. But like you said...If you aren't happy with the conditions and you know that's how it is, keep your eyes open for opportunties elsewhere. After all, you gotta look out for #1 (YOU).
And to these companies in Jersey that keep contacting me about jobs from Monster....I will not accept $37,000 to commute into NYC daily!!!!!!! Leave me alone. You are rediculous!
So yes to new hardware...no to obsoletion of old formats....? eg - I can still play PS1 discs in my PS2
But is the idea here that you will need a new player for either one?
This will make the DVD's obsolete essentially or what? Or either of these will play on a current standard DVD player?
This entry level pay at a small company sucks. I would take a $70,000 raise...I don't know about you.
$60,000 and no time to spend it? Awesome. Atleast you can hope that some hot chick sees you in your fancy ride on your way home at 10 PM at night.
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Dang Ars is getting destroyed! Hangin in there but at the slowest I have ever had it load. Silly slashdotters.
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I agree...If I'm watching a DVD I'm going to be really concerned about the skin that I'm not seeing as I watch it. And yes...only 2 or 3 comments...How could that link be ./'d already?
Yes but what happens when the EU decides they are going to cut the rest of the world off from the US. No more /. for you!
...and you know they will be coming in fast
Who's going to jump on the patent that eliminates the process for processing the elimination of patent requirements?
Microsoft supports terrorism? I know pot smokers and SUV drivers do. Atleast that's what the commercials tell me.
They got me on one of em there...of course I can't say which one :P
They still sued a fucking child after a failed attempt.
They better figure out that suing people isn't going to gain them any respect.
Three Words: Greedy corporate hogs
This is sooooo true though in the IT field. I have tried to "fix" things at work and then had to actually fix them for the rest of the day. Nothing like making server changes and then spending 8 hours just to get it back to how it was before I ever even touched it. :)
And we are talking about countries here...not just a 50 some person manufacturing plant that makes a few people mad because they can't check the weather or get their CAD files from a file server.
Do NOT mess with a working routing/naming system. I saw the consequences of this with the Level 3/Cogent childlike fight a week or so ago. Our single homed connection + our bank's single homed connection = no wire transfers online...that's just a mild version of other country's problems to come if the EU is genious enough to cripple themselves.
Coincidentally this "Internet Fall Apart" time frame is the same as when Level 3 and Cogent are supposedly going to break up again.
Or do drug tests having nothing to do with genetics?
I agree with you on your views there. Cogent could move on with the divorce but instead they are trying to get back together with their unreliable wife.
It's funny here too cause I get to sit back and watch the accounting people flip out since they can't get to the bank and I get to laugh and say "THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO" where as there normally is. This is a very unique situation and I'm definately interested to see how it all pans out. One way or the other, if we aren't back on the banks website next week I'm sure there are going to be some serious calls flying around.
I can't imagine how this is effecting large corporations right now. Hell we are just a small/medium business. Then again, a large corporation is probably not single homed. :)
ATLEAST I HAVE SLASHDOT! I can do without wikipedia and the bank.
I can see both sides of the argument. Level 3 says they are losing money and Cogent says "hey we are sharing! WTF".
This has got stuff screwed up pretty bad though. The mesh topology I thought that existed apparently does not. I'm assuming DNS is all whacked out too. My company belongs on the Cogent side of this and our bank happens to be on Level 3's side (in networking terms). So, we are unable to do any banking (hourly and daily wire transfers, etc). I assume if the bank was multihomed this wouldn't be a problem but it looks like there is only one way in for now.
The oddest part...I did a WHOIS at networksolutions.com for our banks website and it says they are 1.1.1.1??? Anybody seen that kind of behavior before?
I just want to say that I'm concerned for the guy that said the US didn't create the Internet. Poor guy, he'll never live that one down.
Sue your customers...that'll get em to like you. Maybe it's the same concept as beating up your insecure girlfriend. She'll just keep coming back because you "love her" and you are "doing it for her"??? And after all, she needs you right?
Don't we all need the RIAA? I mean, they are the ones creating all this great music for us. Not the artists.
Personally, I play in a band and seeing this stuff go on the past few years, I will never consider working with these theives.
So What are you saying here the UN is going to start doing their job? Oh like they should have in the 90's after Sadaam said they couldn't come in the country to do inspections, which I remind you is what started this whole damn thing anyways. Bush is finishing up what the Useless U.N. never even attempted to resolve.
Face it, the U.N. is a crock of shit whom doesn't stand up to the challenge when called upon. As far as I'm concerned, it shouldn't even exist. They have clearly shown they aren't going to hold up to their end of the bargain.
U.N.: "Sadaam, let us in the country or else." Sadaam: "No." U.N.: "Ok, sorry. We'll just let the U.S. fix it like they do everything else."