Dear Lord: The gods have been good to me. For the first time in my life, everything is absolutely perfect just the way it is. So here's the deal: You freeze everything the way it is, and I won't ask for anything more. If that is OK, please give me absolutely no sign.
[pause] OK, deal. In gratitude, I present you this offering of cookies and milk. If you want me to eat them for you, give me no sign. [pause] Thy will be done. [crunch, crunch, slurp, slurp]
Spot the deliberate mistake. It's worth noting that Marge is at this point trying to tell Homer that she's pregnant. For a detail analysis of Homer's prayer, I recommend this book (and read the reviews, too!).
Now have another look at polystratic fossils (there are many other examples, this is one of the nice simple ones). These fossils penetrate several rock layers, typically to the tune of `tens to hundreds of millions of years' worth of deposits. Some large trees strike vertically through tens of meters of rock, and there is no sign of reworking, no turbulence in the rock, such as there would have been if the tree had been somehow thrust down through the rock; and there are many examples which are much too frail (with extensive branching etc) to have survived any kind reworking.
Name the tree which will stay intact for hundreds of millions of years while it is buried. AFAIK, not even wandoo will survive more than a few hundred years of exposure, and that is incredibly hard wood (wandoo weighs about twice as much as jarrah, which is hard wood to start with). Now revise your answer to account for a complete lack of weathering, a common feature of these fossils.
Now, the requirement for supernatural intervention here is this: if the rock surrounding a polystratic fossil did not take hundreds of millions to put into place, but at most years (or more likely hours or minutes), and there are many polystratic fossils (there are) this is pretty direct evidence that most if not all rock formed very quickly.
Sorry if this sounds pedantic, but you seem to have let the point escape you in the previous post.
Now, evolution as a theory of how-we-got-here is simply impossible; there is no way to even approach the biological structuredness we see around us no matter how much time you allot to the purpose. However, this requires technical knowledge to illustrate and understand.
If polystratic fossils can so simply and clearly show that the millions of years postulated for evolutionary development are imaginary, it does not take a technical mind or a great deal of imagination to see that, with naturalism's only viable explanation dead, an alternative is required.
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Now, on a different but related topic, it happens that a lot of ancient records from all over this world mention an event ideally suited to emplacing polystratic fossils - and incidentally accounting well for many other features of geology such as the `Cambrian Explosion' - and this event does not require millions of years. Many accounts attribute weeks, months, a year or a few years' duration to it. Is it hard to figure out what I'm alluding to?
...sue your ass off if you're caught with a dud copy. No carrot, just a very big stick. In some countries, you can face a mandatory minimum of 8 years in jail for software piracy, regardless of the actual value (or sticker price) of the software.
Of course, the other kind of software piracy - actions by large software companies which are effectively extortion, stealing or dumping - goes widely unpunished by the courts. We-the-people have started to take matters into their own hands, worldwide. For example, Australian schools, having just paid tens of millions of dollars to Microsoft, are eyeing off the `$100 million' worth of Microsoft software donated (with attendant tax writeoff) to South African schools, and starting to ask questions. Soth Africans are starting to ask questions, too, like `why did they wait until it lookerd like an Open Source alternative was going to take off in SA?' and `how long will this deal really last, and what will it cost afterwards?'
Microsoft have done stranger things... no, let me rephrase that... Microsoft have done many stranger things, but I wouldn't expect them to make an OS truly more modular immediately after telling a court that this was impossible, and before the hearings had ended.
A year and a half from awareness to patch on one of those vulnerabilities. At least. What can a sysadmin do when faced with that?
Why, switch to PostgreSQL, of course! Faster, more secure, source available for verification or modification, closer to SQL-92 and subsequent standards, portable. What more could you want?
The third LinuxToday response links this native Argentine article (in English) which is less professional but in its own way even more telling than Villaneuva's response.
Read some of the explanations of the motivation behind much software `piracy' in `less developed' countries and weep. Imagine, for example, paying more for a base copy of your OS than you did for your new hardware!
That's the problem with believing in something that you can't reasonably demonstrate. You often end up having to set aside logic and rationality, and that leaves you vulnerable to becoming a blind follower. You learn not to ask for proof or evidence because that shows that you lack faith.
I've often wondered why so many evolutionists are reluctant to question their foundations. Thanks for clearing that up for me!
The only difficulty with `demonstrating' God is that most people try to `demonstrate' their mental model of Him instead. If you're looking for reproducible results, you're looking for a God who is in essence completely under your control, and what use would that be? OTOH, if you're looking for things than only make sense from a God-based worldview, start with a large polystratic fossil and work out from there. There are many other starting points, but that's a nice, clear, scientific, even geologic one for you.
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government." T. Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson needed only to look at the pre-Roman Irish, Scots and Welsh in Britain (largely wiped out, while unarmed, in a single cold-blooded massacre by the soldiers of the Roman Church), or at the Ti-Ping movement in China (wiped out by the Manchu at the incitement of the Roman Church), or the the pre-Goan-Inquisition Saint Thomas Christians (wiped out by...?), or any one of a large number of other examples.
The problem was not priests, per se, but priests who thought that God wasn't good enough to sort out the leadership by Himself. They're as bad as Atheists who opine that Darwinism is too slow and take it upon themselves to hurry things along. Think Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Amin...
And yes, it would be nice to see a little integrity about the place. Creationists generally don't call presumptions to evolution `War on Science' but something along the line of `running ahead of the facts'.
I suspect that the only reason you haven't been modded through the floor at terminal velocity is because over 90% of the people reading your post don't understand it. (-:
Personally, I think it's a great comment, and would throw a +1, Insightful at it if I had one.
SJG understood that Darwinism is broken. His opponents understand that Punctuated Equilibrium is broken. All one needs to do for great enlightenment is to read a prolonged debate between them.
SJG was far and away a more effective debater than the vast majority of his opponents. He very successfully asserted that religion and science were separate, which if you accept it literally means that religion has no impact on the universe. And what use is that kind of religion? It's a social virus, don't open that attachment!
His approach when confronted with undeniable sticks-through-the-spokes of any kind of evolution was very Stallmanesque: he'd get grumpy and close the conversation.
Just go ahead and call it `War on Terrorism (tm)' if anyone expresses outrage over it.
I guess they needed something to replace `War on Communism' now that Communism's more popular and less threatening.
I've seen a similar approach elsewhere, too. For example, if any inconvenient fact looks like it might support Creationism, there are those who immediately impugn it as being `War on Science'. (-:
On a less provokative note, Microsoft also dub much of their opposition `War on Free Enterprise'. The law ain't done 'till Linux won't run.
Windows 2000 runs fine on my Pentium 166, 64 MB RAM
I have one workplace which uses 32MB P133s, carefully stripped of non-vital processes, as TS clients (only!) under Win2k.
OTOH, until a power surge killed its serial-port card a few months back, I was using a 486SX40 (ie souped-up '386, no FPU) + 12MB (4x1 32-pin, 1x8 72-pin) + 250MB (samsung) as a gateway, dialin (x2) dialout, SQL server, webserver, mail server, name server and web server with uptimes exactly matching the power outages. It hung from my ceiling and was powered by a real-original IBM PC/XT PSU.
Now that you can heat your coffee by direct irradiation from the CPU, is there any need to go faster?
IRL, Microsoft will find a way. If they didn't, XP's great-grandbastard would run like a stoned sloth. Install it on a P100 for a preview of what I mean.
...as long as a large Milo tin counts as `standard equipment', that is. One end of the link is a Milo tin in Osborne Park, the other end of the link is a half-omni in Lesmurdie. Standard cards. Good old Aussie `we won't know until we try it' technology. No worries. (-:
Mind you, there are people claiming to run DSL along barbed wire fences...
I don't know what the line quality is. I think `working' is good enough at that distance. (-:
Possibly, I've just invented that word. If so, I hope it's appropriate. (-:
It's not as trivial as many geneticists would like to hope. Information passed along in this manner can impact how DNA is expressed.
What this means in real terms is that there's suddenly a whole pack of other possible information sources to consider besides DNA, when predicting what will happen in the final organism, as if it wasn't already far too complicated for comfort.
Decoding of the general implications of a genome may be significantly altered (or not) by an `environmental' factor from these sources toggling expression of a gene within that, er, nome. Grandson Arnold, 39, would probably agree.
Presumably-modified DNA inserted into a host cell may develop in unexpected ways due to `interference' from information inherent to the host cell.
It would be remarkable if we had not surpassed a bacterium in cleverness, but that's irrelevant to evolutionary processes. Natural selection is at best extremely loosely coupled to cleverness. In fact, in many classes and workplaces I've been in, being a smartass is a definite non-survival trait. However, either bacteria need to have ways of rapdily generating and trialling random genetic combinations that we know nothing about, or our universe is quite some orders of magnitude too young. That accelerated generation-and-trial mechanism could count as a type of cleverness, depending on your rating system. Plasmids don't cut it since they're a method of data exchange, not a method of invention.
I can see from the lack of comments in this discussion, not an exciting one.
Sorry, did I just see you trust the judgement of SlashDot readers? Dear me! (-:
This particular sequence is of great historical interest, and will make available a well-known sequence for students to compare with DNA fragments of their own copies of the beast. I think that makes it exciting.
It's kinda telling that (1) nobody seems to have noticed or mentioned here that DNA is not the only way of inheriting cellular information and (2) we are still borrowing microbes to do the actual manufacturing, rather than doing it mechanically ourselves.
Replacing the offending executables with a self-extracting Mandrake installer in auto mode might get the message across.
`The copy of WonderPorn that you had installed is suspected of running things at random from time to time, and it looks like it's run the automated upgrade system this time. I'll stick it on the end of my to-do list... let's say, about five weeks if nothing goes wrong. I hear the Frozen Bubble game is quite addictive. Ta-ta!'
Since you're going to be taking charge, eliminate the support program of preference for more than 99% of viruses.
Rather than just blocking ports, put up an FTP server as well, and hand out forms asking people what they want the school to make available on them. That way, they have to write it down and put their names to it. Explain that people making multiple downloads of the same thing was costing the school a fortune. Redirect any web or FTP request for a file ending EXE COM ZIP RAR ZOO BAT TGZ TAR.GZ RPM ISO MP3 etc to the FTP server, so if you have it, they get it and if you don't, they have to ask (put a form for that in Squid's file-not-found page).
Actively scan the Squid logs for porn, and if you're getting reliable requests for same from a specific user or machine, print out a list, walk down and ask them if they knew that their class was downloading pornography, and could they please stop because the principal is very busy and doesn't want to get involved. Log these incidents and CC the log to the principal's office regularly. If you don't, and someone else does the busting, your ass is on the line.
Just do it, fait accompli, and when the complaints start rolling in, log them, hand out a form, and if they refuse the form ask them why they want to send the school broke. Instantly, in writing, and CC it to the principal.
You're in the right. Act like it. Otherwise that job's not worth having for less than USD$100k a year.
Also what's this about `an energy field that pervades the Universe then creates new matter and radiation'? What energy field? How does it get recharged? God of the gaps again? Continuous creation? Didn't we just have an article on scientific something-for-nothing scams?
the archaeology in the silly stories is better than outside them
a whole heap of archaelogists would disagree with you.
Undoubtably. The vast majority of those would be starting from a philosophical position of materialism, which of course blinds them to a wide range of investigation.
It's worth noting that many materialist archaeologists still regard the Bible as an extremely accurate source of archaeological facts; their dissenting brothers are often in the position of allowing their philosophy to override any pragmatic judgement of the dataset.
physical copies of texts from before 2k years ago have been found, and despite claims of babelfishing, they're still accurate.
Examples???
Before starting in on the examples, it's also worth noting that NT texts have been found dated (by concrete and well-proven benchmarks like style, materials etc) to within less than a decade of the events they report.
There's a reasonably clear exploration of the issues at Apologetics Press. There are many others (Google is your friend), but most of them are either totally lightweight or get bogged down in blow-by-blow descriptions of whether certain pluralisations and word divisions in the Masoretic text agree more closely with the LXX or these scrolls.
Ask Steve Gould and the other punkeekers to show you why Darwinian evolution doesn't work, and he will. Ask their Darwinian opponents to show you why punkeek doesn't work, and they will. End of story.
Neither side has disproven the other, they are argueing about details not the fundamentals.
No, on two counts.
First off, the `details' that they are arguing about are foundational and mutually exclusive. At most one of them can be right, and in that case evolution by the other method will not work. It is possible that they are both wrong; in fact, if you listen to their debate, it is certain that they are both wrong.
Second off, the place where they do agree is not `the fundamentals' but `the fundamentalism' - they both assert that materialism is the only arena for discussion. Because of this, neither of them will attack the other's fundamentalism in public. The same holds true between disciplines as between factions within a discipline. In less public circumstances the bankruptcy of that position becomes more obvious. It's akin to the idea of watching Popes declare each other to be antiChrist, in detail, during the Greast Schism(s).
Another thing to bear in mind is that this zone of evolutionary `detail' is just one of the many levels at which materialism, and evolution in particular, is demonstrably and completely infeasible.
If these idiots win against Macromedia (plugin required to view this message because format is not open), that will make it easier for them to take on Microsoft next. Their patent does seem rather trivial, though, and you could probably bring it down in flames by pointing out that it's just mimicing real-life paper layouts (ie is not in principle new).
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Spot the deliberate mistake. It's worth noting that Marge is at this point trying to tell Homer that she's pregnant. For a detail analysis of Homer's prayer, I recommend this book (and read the reviews, too!).
Now have another look at polystratic fossils (there are many other examples, this is one of the nice simple ones). These fossils penetrate several rock layers, typically to the tune of `tens to hundreds of millions of years' worth of deposits. Some large trees strike vertically through tens of meters of rock, and there is no sign of reworking, no turbulence in the rock, such as there would have been if the tree had been somehow thrust down through the rock; and there are many examples which are much too frail (with extensive branching etc) to have survived any kind reworking.
Name the tree which will stay intact for hundreds of millions of years while it is buried. AFAIK, not even wandoo will survive more than a few hundred years of exposure, and that is incredibly hard wood (wandoo weighs about twice as much as jarrah, which is hard wood to start with). Now revise your answer to account for a complete lack of weathering, a common feature of these fossils.
Now, the requirement for supernatural intervention here is this: if the rock surrounding a polystratic fossil did not take hundreds of millions to put into place, but at most years (or more likely hours or minutes), and there are many polystratic fossils (there are) this is pretty direct evidence that most if not all rock formed very quickly.
Sorry if this sounds pedantic, but you seem to have let the point escape you in the previous post.
Now, evolution as a theory of how-we-got-here is simply impossible; there is no way to even approach the biological structuredness we see around us no matter how much time you allot to the purpose. However, this requires technical knowledge to illustrate and understand.
If polystratic fossils can so simply and clearly show that the millions of years postulated for evolutionary development are imaginary, it does not take a technical mind or a great deal of imagination to see that, with naturalism's only viable explanation dead, an alternative is required.
END-OF-POINT MARKER
Now, on a different but related topic, it happens that a lot of ancient records from all over this world mention an event ideally suited to emplacing polystratic fossils - and incidentally accounting well for many other features of geology such as the `Cambrian Explosion' - and this event does not require millions of years. Many accounts attribute weeks, months, a year or a few years' duration to it. Is it hard to figure out what I'm alluding to?
...sue your ass off if you're caught with a dud copy. No carrot, just a very big stick. In some countries, you can face a mandatory minimum of 8 years in jail for software piracy, regardless of the actual value (or sticker price) of the software.
Of course, the other kind of software piracy - actions by large software companies which are effectively extortion, stealing or dumping - goes widely unpunished by the courts. We-the-people have started to take matters into their own hands, worldwide. For example, Australian schools, having just paid tens of millions of dollars to Microsoft, are eyeing off the `$100 million' worth of Microsoft software donated (with attendant tax writeoff) to South African schools, and starting to ask questions. Soth Africans are starting to ask questions, too, like `why did they wait until it lookerd like an Open Source alternative was going to take off in SA?' and `how long will this deal really last, and what will it cost afterwards?'
Microsoft have done stranger things... no, let me rephrase that... Microsoft have done many stranger things, but I wouldn't expect them to make an OS truly more modular immediately after telling a court that this was impossible, and before the hearings had ended.
Digispid.ide
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They store their IDEs on MS-DOS?
A year and a half from awareness to patch on one of those vulnerabilities. At least. What can a sysadmin do when faced with that?
Why, switch to PostgreSQL, of course! Faster, more secure, source available for verification or modification, closer to SQL-92 and subsequent standards, portable. What more could you want?
Oh, yes: it's free as well as Free.
The third LinuxToday response links this native Argentine article (in English) which is less professional but in its own way even more telling than Villaneuva's response.
Read some of the explanations of the motivation behind much software `piracy' in `less developed' countries and weep. Imagine, for example, paying more for a base copy of your OS than you did for your new hardware!
The only difficulty with `demonstrating' God is that most people try to `demonstrate' their mental model of Him instead. If you're looking for reproducible results, you're looking for a God who is in essence completely under your control, and what use would that be? OTOH, if you're looking for things than only make sense from a God-based worldview, start with a large polystratic fossil and work out from there. There are many other starting points, but that's a nice, clear, scientific, even geologic one for you.
Thomas Jefferson needed only to look at the pre-Roman Irish, Scots and Welsh in Britain (largely wiped out, while unarmed, in a single cold-blooded massacre by the soldiers of the Roman Church), or at the Ti-Ping movement in China (wiped out by the Manchu at the incitement of the Roman Church), or the the pre-Goan-Inquisition Saint Thomas Christians (wiped out by...?), or any one of a large number of other examples.
The problem was not priests, per se, but priests who thought that God wasn't good enough to sort out the leadership by Himself. They're as bad as Atheists who opine that Darwinism is too slow and take it upon themselves to hurry things along. Think Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Amin...
And yes, it would be nice to see a little integrity about the place. Creationists generally don't call presumptions to evolution `War on Science' but something along the line of `running ahead of the facts'.
I suspect that the only reason you haven't been modded through the floor at terminal velocity is because over 90% of the people reading your post don't understand it. (-:
Personally, I think it's a great comment, and would throw a +1, Insightful at it if I had one.
SJG understood that Darwinism is broken. His opponents understand that Punctuated Equilibrium is broken. All one needs to do for great enlightenment is to read a prolonged debate between them.
SJG was far and away a more effective debater than the vast majority of his opponents. He very successfully asserted that religion and science were separate, which if you accept it literally means that religion has no impact on the universe. And what use is that kind of religion? It's a social virus, don't open that attachment!
His approach when confronted with undeniable sticks-through-the-spokes of any kind of evolution was very Stallmanesque: he'd get grumpy and close the conversation.
Except for those of us carrying nova bombs. Eeeyaaah! GPL'ed code! We're doomed!
Jabba is also shown eating ugly, gronchy-sounding froggish thingies, but I don't think that invalidates your thesis. (-:
I guess they needed something to replace `War on Communism' now that Communism's more popular and less threatening.
I've seen a similar approach elsewhere, too. For example, if any inconvenient fact looks like it might support Creationism, there are those who immediately impugn it as being `War on Science'. (-:
On a less provokative note, Microsoft also dub much of their opposition `War on Free Enterprise'. The law ain't done 'till Linux won't run.
I have one workplace which uses 32MB P133s, carefully stripped of non-vital processes, as TS clients (only!) under Win2k.
OTOH, until a power surge killed its serial-port card a few months back, I was using a 486SX40 (ie souped-up '386, no FPU) + 12MB (4x1 32-pin, 1x8 72-pin) + 250MB (samsung) as a gateway, dialin (x2) dialout, SQL server, webserver, mail server, name server and web server with uptimes exactly matching the power outages. It hung from my ceiling and was powered by a real-original IBM PC/XT PSU.
Now that you can heat your coffee by direct irradiation from the CPU, is there any need to go faster?
IRL, Microsoft will find a way. If they didn't, XP's great-grandbastard would run like a stoned sloth. Install it on a P100 for a preview of what I mean.
Jamie Zawinski's xscreensaver Matrix module absolutely hammers anything like it I've seen under Windows.
The one Windows screensaver I would like to see ported to X is Johnny Castaway. It wouldn't hurt if everyone (that means you) asked or volunteered.
...as long as a large Milo tin counts as `standard equipment', that is. One end of the link is a Milo tin in Osborne Park, the other end of the link is a half-omni in Lesmurdie. Standard cards. Good old Aussie `we won't know until we try it' technology. No worries. (-:
Mind you, there are people claiming to run DSL along barbed wire fences...
I don't know what the line quality is. I think `working' is good enough at that distance. (-:
Possibly, I've just invented that word. If so, I hope it's appropriate. (-:
It's not as trivial as many geneticists would like to hope. Information passed along in this manner can impact how DNA is expressed.
What this means in real terms is that there's suddenly a whole pack of other possible information sources to consider besides DNA, when predicting what will happen in the final organism, as if it wasn't already far too complicated for comfort.
Decoding of the general implications of a genome may be significantly altered (or not) by an `environmental' factor from these sources toggling expression of a gene within that, er, nome. Grandson Arnold, 39, would probably agree.
Presumably-modified DNA inserted into a host cell may develop in unexpected ways due to `interference' from information inherent to the host cell.
It would be remarkable if we had not surpassed a bacterium in cleverness, but that's irrelevant to evolutionary processes. Natural selection is at best extremely loosely coupled to cleverness. In fact, in many classes and workplaces I've been in, being a smartass is a definite non-survival trait. However, either bacteria need to have ways of rapdily generating and trialling random genetic combinations that we know nothing about, or our universe is quite some orders of magnitude too young. That accelerated generation-and-trial mechanism could count as a type of cleverness, depending on your rating system. Plasmids don't cut it since they're a method of data exchange, not a method of invention.
Compaq killed DEC, their desktop machines melt on command, and now they're gunna mediocrify hp as well. Evolution in action. Yay. :-P
Sad that the judge has to believe Microsoft's `more time' lies (methinks he protesteth overmuch).
Windows XP Embedded requires 64M to boot. Urk. Not much missing from that, except maybe MS-Office.
Lotus Notes... now there's an ironic choice. Who here remembers `DOS ain't done 'til Lotus [123] won't run?'
Windows FL is a great badge idea. Truth-in-advertising laws might compel them to use it. (-:
This particular sequence is of great historical interest, and will make available a well-known sequence for students to compare with DNA fragments of their own copies of the beast. I think that makes it exciting.
It's kinda telling that (1) nobody seems to have noticed or mentioned here that DNA is not the only way of inheriting cellular information and (2) we are still borrowing microbes to do the actual manufacturing, rather than doing it mechanically ourselves.
Replacing the offending executables with a self-extracting Mandrake installer in auto mode might get the message across.
`The copy of WonderPorn that you had installed is suspected of running things at random from time to time, and it looks like it's run the automated upgrade system this time. I'll stick it on the end of my to-do list... let's say, about five weeks if nothing goes wrong. I hear the Frozen Bubble game is quite addictive. Ta-ta!'
...although it still doesn't help the article's case. Magic scalar fields aren't a part of science, AFAICT.
WTF was (s)he modded to zero?
Since you're going to be taking charge, eliminate the support program of preference for more than 99% of viruses.
Rather than just blocking ports, put up an FTP server as well, and hand out forms asking people what they want the school to make available on them. That way, they have to write it down and put their names to it. Explain that people making multiple downloads of the same thing was costing the school a fortune. Redirect any web or FTP request for a file ending EXE COM ZIP RAR ZOO BAT TGZ TAR.GZ RPM ISO MP3 etc to the FTP server, so if you have it, they get it and if you don't, they have to ask (put a form for that in Squid's file-not-found page).
Actively scan the Squid logs for porn, and if you're getting reliable requests for same from a specific user or machine, print out a list, walk down and ask them if they knew that their class was downloading pornography, and could they please stop because the principal is very busy and doesn't want to get involved. Log these incidents and CC the log to the principal's office regularly. If you don't, and someone else does the busting, your ass is on the line.
Just do it, fait accompli, and when the complaints start rolling in, log them, hand out a form, and if they refuse the form ask them why they want to send the school broke. Instantly, in writing, and CC it to the principal.
You're in the right. Act like it. Otherwise that job's not worth having for less than USD$100k a year.
...into the Anthropic Principle.
Also what's this about `an energy field that pervades the Universe then creates new matter and radiation'? What energy field? How does it get recharged? God of the gaps again? Continuous creation? Didn't we just have an article on scientific something-for-nothing scams?
Undoubtably. The vast majority of those would be starting from a philosophical position of materialism, which of course blinds them to a wide range of investigation.
It's worth noting that many materialist archaeologists still regard the Bible as an extremely accurate source of archaeological facts; their dissenting brothers are often in the position of allowing their philosophy to override any pragmatic judgement of the dataset.
Before starting in on the examples, it's also worth noting that NT texts have been found dated (by concrete and well-proven benchmarks like style, materials etc) to within less than a decade of the events they report.
There's a reasonably clear exploration of the issues at Apologetics Press. There are many others (Google is your friend), but most of them are either totally lightweight or get bogged down in blow-by-blow descriptions of whether certain pluralisations and word divisions in the Masoretic text agree more closely with the LXX or these scrolls.
No, on two counts.
First off, the `details' that they are arguing about are foundational and mutually exclusive. At most one of them can be right, and in that case evolution by the other method will not work. It is possible that they are both wrong; in fact, if you listen to their debate, it is certain that they are both wrong.
Second off, the place where they do agree is not `the fundamentals' but `the fundamentalism' - they both assert that materialism is the only arena for discussion. Because of this, neither of them will attack the other's fundamentalism in public. The same holds true between disciplines as between factions within a discipline. In less public circumstances the bankruptcy of that position becomes more obvious. It's akin to the idea of watching Popes declare each other to be antiChrist, in detail, during the Greast Schism(s).
Another thing to bear in mind is that this zone of evolutionary `detail' is just one of the many levels at which materialism, and evolution in particular, is demonstrably and completely infeasible.
If these idiots win against Macromedia (plugin required to view this message because format is not open), that will make it easier for them to take on Microsoft next. Their patent does seem rather trivial, though, and you could probably bring it down in flames by pointing out that it's just mimicing real-life paper layouts (ie is not in principle new).