The -2 offtopic surly proves my conclusion they are out to get you all and they will silence all dissidence. The power is so great that they can even affect the incorruptible and highly accurate Slashdot moderation system to otherwise moderate my highly informative post down to try to silence me. I will not go silently into the night, Google do you hear me, I will not go silently into the night.
And it's about damned time. I have been telling people that they are evil for years. You ever see those movies where the preacher is all holier than holy. And then by the end he is Satan and he has lead everyone to their doom. Thats Google they act too nice to be good they are surly covering up something. Besides they remind me of a corporate Heavens Gate all new age and stuff. I wonder who they want to ride the comet?
No you just don't get it; it is not an issue of race, it is that during the 70's 80's and early 90's we built these companies with enthusiasm, dedication and the promise of untold fortunes. CEO's told us that we will make you rich we will reward you for your dedication. Then just as these companies rounded the corner and became global corporations they gave us the boot and hired you to look good on the next quarter. It is not your fault that they hired you but you cannot expect us to not be pissed at these companies for giving our jobs to Indians whom did not build the company nor share the pains of building the companies that we did. This is grossly unfair and to say that it is racism on our part is dismissive and is rather a slap in the face. We got fucked by these companies just as the H1Bs are getting fucked now and then you have the audacity to call us racist. Nice real nice.
See my post here
The parent post to yours is right, outsourcing is screwed up and the provided link to a previous article explains the reasons, in pretty good details. We will head into another boom here soon which will be called the "outsourced project clean up boom" or just "the Clean up Boom" (I get credit for that) in which we will be fixing the broken projects coming back from overseas. I personally am finding more work than I can handle doing exactly this, rescuing failed overseas projects.
And that is why I have said, that someone like IBM should buy up SGI and use them as a complementary line to their solutions. Make SGI synonymous with high end Linux workstation and keep the server line. Sure, it's a small market, but it would give IBM a PC division without a huge investment in production and without trying to compete on price. They could just say we do high end workstations for graphics etc. and that is it. It would also give them a package solution when dealing with engineering firms, Hollywood etc. Not to mention there is some really good stuff in IRIX that I would love see make it over to Linux. As well, with someone like IBM behind SGI behind Linux workstations, companies like Adobe and Discreet might just make a Linux port a priority.
Oh wait, I see it now Kerry was poisoned like Yushchenko. They used botulism to mess up his face, just as they used poison to mess up Yushchenko face, when they failed to use a sufficient amount of poison to kill him. What was that? Kerry intentionally used botulism on himself. Gasp the conspiracy runs so deep that the republicans got him to poison himself with Botox. Those dammed right wing Nazis oh wait the Nazis where left wing hell I'm confused now.
You joke but you may not be far off base. Look how many of the last 10 presidents have been left-handers it's over 50% or close to it. Also look at the famous leaders through out history. There is a new school of though that left hander hold a small percentage of the population due to the fact that there are the natural born leaders and you only need so many chiefs. This may also account for the depression, metal disorders shown in left hander that are not fulfilling their genetic destiny. It's all theoretical stuff but pretty interesting.
The funny thing is that Tiburon was the more appropriate name for them. They are sharks and they do prey on developers, that just want to do something cool. It's really sad, that a good developer would have to take a pay cut, for doing essentially the same job, the only difference being whether the product is going to the military or to the x-box. Especially when you consider the average military simulation project may be in the order of a few million dollars profit to the software house; whereas it is a few hundred million dollars to the game companies. The economies of scale are way out of whack here. That's why I got out of the real-time 3D industry and have never looked back, I toiled away in the Sim industry for years, at low wages and long hours, when I finally realized, that there is a far more lucrative industry in Orlando and that is the travel industry. Many developers in Orlando don't realize that we may be the simulation capital of the world, but we are also the travel capital of the world and there are allot of good travel based IT jobs waiting. It got me through the.COM fallout and the economic collapse so it's not as fun but its way more stable and profitable.
It's about time these slave drivers started paying for the long hours that they require. We have a branch office of EA here in Orlando and they are notorious for hiring young and cheap talent that are foaming at the mouth to work on games. They then turn around and take advantage of them, by working them long hours, for low pay, no overtime etc. All because these kids are too excited to see that they are getting screwed. I talked to the local shop here once, as I used to design simulator software for the naval jet fighters (f-14 and f-18) and felt I might enjoy a switch to games. I did some really interesting stuff that the game engines where just getting around to and they where like well we pay 30 to 40K for experienced developers even the military simulation industry which is notorious for being cheap is not this cheap. Rusty I say pay them back pay if you want forgiveness.
In my opinion we are booming again like we where in the 70's and 80's where individuals who knew what they where doing where doing just fine. Whether working for others or making their own way. If you are asking whether an individuals Flash, JavaScript, HTML skills will land them that $90,000 a year DBA job like in 1998, the answer is no we are not in that kind of boom.
Anyway, with the weak dollar outsourcing is not as attractive as it once was. And there ate too many problems with outsourcing anyway; things look good here in Orlando Florida but I can't really say for the rest of the US.
I don't know where you live in Florida, but to say that the state is democrat period is a gross generalization of a state that is probably more diverse, than any other state in the union with maybe the exception of California. As for Florida, you have south Florida, which has been traditionally liberal in their viewpoints, mainly due to immigrants that the democrats pander too, as well as the liberal Jewish influence of west palm and Boca Raton. This pretty much makes south Florida a bastion for liberalism and democratic positions. From there you have central Florida which for the most part is mixed but has a slight tendency to lean towards the Republican Party but really was the deciding point of Florida in both 2000 and 2004 so much so that it was said to win the I4 corridor was to win Florida. This is exactly what happened. Finally you have North Florida which is appropriately called Bush Country. I don't think it needs further explanation, sufficed to say when I was visiting Jacksonville I don't think I saw a single Kerry Edwards sticker up there. Anyway the point is that Florida, while have great democratic party representation is in no way a democratic state rather it is a state of very diverse positions and many independent thinkers.
I do believe that we are a nation extremely divided, so much so that I present the above graphs as a scary reality of the current situation. I have no idea of how to resolve it but, it is truly scary when you look at the graphs and their striking similarities. It is again like two nations with two different philosophies coexisting under a strained bond that neither pleases nor comforts either populous.
I personally think Bush holds the best interest for me and my family but it does not seem that it is the case for the other side of the nation, which I feel very badly for. It was a little more than 100 years ago that a similar division happened and my family was on the loosing end of the deal. In which they felt they had to defend their rights as states as well as repeal what they felt was unjust taxation on the agricultural industry. In the end they decided that their was no other solution than to take up arms against their sister states to rectify their grievances. It is very scary how similar the course has taken. If you replace weapons of mass destruction for heavy taxation and the war on terror for states rights then you have the prevailing cause for the turmoil. Then if you look at history and find that all leaders try to find a moral cause for their war to rally support from the people and use that to supplant slavery with democracy then you could have the following two sentences:
Abraham Lincoln pursued the War Between the States as the southern states felt that there was no rectification for the taxation and states rights issues. He latter formulated that freeing slavery would win him moral support for his cause.
George Bush pursued the war on terror as rouge states felt that there was no rectification for the destruction of their weapons of mass destruction and harboring terrorists. He latter formulated that freeing Arabs would win him moral support for his cause.
It's no different than big tobacco, Microsoft a company known for inferiority in its product sacrificed for time to market and market share. It amazes a person goes out and buys a product from them, said product then brakes and that person is up in arms because the product lacks quality. My question is on what ground did they feel that they where going to get a quality product, Microsoft's past performance maybe? Anyway it is much like smokers suing big tobacco because the get lung cancer from smoking cigarettes, claiming that big evil tobacco did it to them. To me it is all hogwash as these companies have reputations for doing exactly what happened, don't get me wrong I am not an advocate for these companies and I believe that they are just getting what is coming to them but if you where not aware of what you are getting into when you deal with these companies then you may not be the swiftest boat on the water.
Considering the viability of companies such as hotels.com and expedia.com, I would say that.travel has a serious hand to play in the online travel wars and I believe that it will be huge when they do come out. So much so that it may be as credible as the.com space, when it comes to travel; not to mention, that everyone is looking to get a good domain in the travel industry. I do have some experience in this arena, as I was a partner in an online travel related company called Orlando.com. We latter sold to hotels.com / HRN for a good sum of money. All in all, our success was mainly based on the fact that Google scores the sole name Orlando in the domain name relatively high on the list when searching for Orlando. We where litterly making millions without spending a cent on advertising; if you where to combine that with the.travel extension which I believe Google would probably categorize high for travel related goods, you may very well be able to surpass the.com names. In all I would love to own a name like Orlando.travel as I think it is just as viable as Orlando.com if not more so. Not to mention hotels.travel but you would surly be doing battle with HRN / hotels.com as they are litigation hounds.
I kind of have to agree with the condescending comment the other poster made, but I believe you are on the mark. I have been called in to save three projects from India, all of which where failing miserably. My first recommendation was to assemble a team and build it locally with programmers on site. When programmers have to eat, sleep and breathe the company, the rules and logic of the business surround them. This translates to a better understanding of the system as a whole. One individual asked me if I was just exceptional gifted at spotting programming talent and was the outsourced team unskilled, to which I replied, if you bring the Indians here, that where working on the project, I could complete the same project, in the same timeframe and to the same measure of quality. When queried as to why, I simply explained that an individual separated from the inner workings of the business in running blind, as they have the requirements as to how it is supposed to work, but not the definition as to why it should work. Without this fundamental understanding, it is nearly impossible to build a working and usable system. Unfortunately, or fortunately, there is no known way to express this without an extreme volume of work, so much so, that the cost of doing so, outweighs and benefit gained by outsourcing, as you would need a one to one individual mentor, that understands both programming and the business process they are working on. However, there are some thins that translate well when outsourced, particularly IT related systems that do not reflect an American business practice, such as writing a device driver, or a file system. This is why Microsoft and IBM have had such great success, while banking companies such as BOA have had numerous failures on numerous projects. It would be no different if an Indian or French company for that matter, sent a project to America to be developed. I for one, would not touch it, as it has failure written all over it, I just don't understand the intricacies of French economics, governmental laws, and business processes. All of these factors affect software design at a macro scale, so imagine the littler things that can come about. Outsourcing is Just marketing hype and with the exception of specific development segments is prone to failure due to factors that cannot be overcome no matter if it is outsourcing to India or to America.
What do you find interesting in a VMS and Java clones is beyond me, two of the worst technologies ever created in the history of software. Not to mention the most directly at odds with the Unix philosophy.
If you are going to "reshape this industry", you could at least try to do so into a less hideous new shape. (l)Unix has been dead for more than fifteen years[1], but better things have been around for almost as long.
It's funny that everyone keeps heralding how Unix and its variants are a dead end, but more and more operating systems are reinventing the wheels of Unix to provide the security and flexibility that Unix provided 10 years ago.
If you like C but are tired of doing memory allocation, why don't you use the language that the creators of C spent twenty years designing[2] to overcome C limitations: Limbo
It is simply a matter of popularity, you can design a language that does everything, but if it does not win mind share, then you have a very good dead language. I cannot comment on Limbo, as I have never used it, but the progression from C to C# is night and day. C is just old and it feels old, every time you have to touch memory allocations, or make sure everything is cleaned up. As for Java, it has become very bloated and the promise of write once run anywhere has somewhat fallen apart. As for.NET and Mono, we will see but as of now, I have directly copied applications from my development windows machine running the.NET framework, onto our server running MONO and have never had to debug a single application after the move. To me this concept is not one of the worst technologies ever created, it was just Java's implementation of the concept that fell apart.
[1] "Not only is UNIX dead, it's starting to smell really bad." -- Rob Pike circa 1991
"Those who don't understand UNIX are doomed to reinvent it, poorly." --Henry Spencer
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The -2 offtopic surly proves my conclusion they are out to get you all and they will silence all dissidence. The power is so great that they can even affect the incorruptible and highly accurate Slashdot moderation system to otherwise moderate my highly informative post down to try to silence me. I will not go silently into the night, Google do you hear me, I will not go silently into the night.
And it's about damned time. I have been telling people that they are evil for years. You ever see those movies where the preacher is all holier than holy. And then by the end he is Satan and he has lead everyone to their doom. Thats Google they act too nice to be good they are surly covering up something. Besides they remind me of a corporate Heavens Gate all new age and stuff. I wonder who they want to ride the comet?
Maybe he used American POW's as an example due to the fact that Slashdot is a US website and is US centric. Maybe you should go complain here
No you just don't get it; it is not an issue of race, it is that during the 70's 80's and early 90's we built these companies with enthusiasm, dedication and the promise of untold fortunes. CEO's told us that we will make you rich we will reward you for your dedication. Then just as these companies rounded the corner and became global corporations they gave us the boot and hired you to look good on the next quarter. It is not your fault that they hired you but you cannot expect us to not be pissed at these companies for giving our jobs to Indians whom did not build the company nor share the pains of building the companies that we did. This is grossly unfair and to say that it is racism on our part is dismissive and is rather a slap in the face. We got fucked by these companies just as the H1Bs are getting fucked now and then you have the audacity to call us racist. Nice real nice.
See my post here The parent post to yours is right, outsourcing is screwed up and the provided link to a previous article explains the reasons, in pretty good details. We will head into another boom here soon which will be called the "outsourced project clean up boom" or just "the Clean up Boom" (I get credit for that) in which we will be fixing the broken projects coming back from overseas. I personally am finding more work than I can handle doing exactly this, rescuing failed overseas projects.
And that is why I have said, that someone like IBM should buy up SGI and use them as a complementary line to their solutions. Make SGI synonymous with high end Linux workstation and keep the server line. Sure, it's a small market, but it would give IBM a PC division without a huge investment in production and without trying to compete on price. They could just say we do high end workstations for graphics etc. and that is it. It would also give them a package solution when dealing with engineering firms, Hollywood etc. Not to mention there is some really good stuff in IRIX that I would love see make it over to Linux. As well, with someone like IBM behind SGI behind Linux workstations, companies like Adobe and Discreet might just make a Linux port a priority.
Oh wait, I see it now Kerry was poisoned like Yushchenko. They used botulism to mess up his face, just as they used poison to mess up Yushchenko face, when they failed to use a sufficient amount of poison to kill him. What was that? Kerry intentionally used botulism on himself. Gasp the conspiracy runs so deep that the republicans got him to poison himself with Botox. Those dammed right wing Nazis oh wait the Nazis where left wing hell I'm confused now.
I did not see anyone being beaten with bats in the US. I must have missed that clip or am in denial.
You joke but you may not be far off base. Look how many of the last 10 presidents have been left-handers it's over 50% or close to it. Also look at the famous leaders through out history. There is a new school of though that left hander hold a small percentage of the population due to the fact that there are the natural born leaders and you only need so many chiefs. This may also account for the depression, metal disorders shown in left hander that are not fulfilling their genetic destiny. It's all theoretical stuff but pretty interesting.
The funny thing is that Tiburon was the more appropriate name for them. They are sharks and they do prey on developers, that just want to do something cool. It's really sad, that a good developer would have to take a pay cut, for doing essentially the same job, the only difference being whether the product is going to the military or to the x-box. Especially when you consider the average military simulation project may be in the order of a few million dollars profit to the software house; whereas it is a few hundred million dollars to the game companies. The economies of scale are way out of whack here. That's why I got out of the real-time 3D industry and have never looked back, I toiled away in the Sim industry for years, at low wages and long hours, when I finally realized, that there is a far more lucrative industry in Orlando and that is the travel industry. Many developers in Orlando don't realize that we may be the simulation capital of the world, but we are also the travel capital of the world and there are allot of good travel based IT jobs waiting. It got me through the .COM fallout and the economic collapse so it's not as fun but its way more stable and profitable.
What contractor if you don't mind me asking?
Lockheed
SAIC
NOCTSD
It's about time these slave drivers started paying for the long hours that they require. We have a branch office of EA here in Orlando and they are notorious for hiring young and cheap talent that are foaming at the mouth to work on games. They then turn around and take advantage of them, by working them long hours, for low pay, no overtime etc. All because these kids are too excited to see that they are getting screwed. I talked to the local shop here once, as I used to design simulator software for the naval jet fighters (f-14 and f-18) and felt I might enjoy a switch to games. I did some really interesting stuff that the game engines where just getting around to and they where like well we pay 30 to 40K for experienced developers even the military simulation industry which is notorious for being cheap is not this cheap. Rusty I say pay them back pay if you want forgiveness.
In my opinion we are booming again like we where in the 70's and 80's where individuals who knew what they where doing where doing just fine. Whether working for others or making their own way. If you are asking whether an individuals Flash, JavaScript, HTML skills will land them that $90,000 a year DBA job like in 1998, the answer is no we are not in that kind of boom.
Anyway, with the weak dollar outsourcing is not as attractive as it once was. And there ate too many problems with outsourcing anyway; things look good here in Orlando Florida but I can't really say for the rest of the US.
No, what you want are the crocodiles down here, far more aggressive.
I don't know where you live in Florida, but to say that the state is democrat period is a gross generalization of a state that is probably more diverse, than any other state in the union with maybe the exception of California. As for Florida, you have south Florida, which has been traditionally liberal in their viewpoints, mainly due to immigrants that the democrats pander too, as well as the liberal Jewish influence of west palm and Boca Raton. This pretty much makes south Florida a bastion for liberalism and democratic positions. From there you have central Florida which for the most part is mixed but has a slight tendency to lean towards the Republican Party but really was the deciding point of Florida in both 2000 and 2004 so much so that it was said to win the I4 corridor was to win Florida. This is exactly what happened. Finally you have North Florida which is appropriately called Bush Country. I don't think it needs further explanation, sufficed to say when I was visiting Jacksonville I don't think I saw a single Kerry Edwards sticker up there. Anyway the point is that Florida, while have great democratic party representation is in no way a democratic state rather it is a state of very diverse positions and many independent thinkers.
then
Now
I do believe that we are a nation extremely divided, so much so that I present the above graphs as a scary reality of the current situation. I have no idea of how to resolve it but, it is truly scary when you look at the graphs and their striking similarities. It is again like two nations with two different philosophies coexisting under a strained bond that neither pleases nor comforts either populous.
I personally think Bush holds the best interest for me and my family but it does not seem that it is the case for the other side of the nation, which I feel very badly for. It was a little more than 100 years ago that a similar division happened and my family was on the loosing end of the deal. In which they felt they had to defend their rights as states as well as repeal what they felt was unjust taxation on the agricultural industry. In the end they decided that their was no other solution than to take up arms against their sister states to rectify their grievances. It is very scary how similar the course has taken. If you replace weapons of mass destruction for heavy taxation and the war on terror for states rights then you have the prevailing cause for the turmoil. Then if you look at history and find that all leaders try to find a moral cause for their war to rally support from the people and use that to supplant slavery with democracy then you could have the following two sentences:
Abraham Lincoln pursued the War Between the States as the southern states felt that there was no rectification for the taxation and states rights issues. He latter formulated that freeing slavery would win him moral support for his cause.
George Bush pursued the war on terror as rouge states felt that there was no rectification for the destruction of their weapons of mass destruction and harboring terrorists. He latter formulated that freeing Arabs would win him moral support for his cause.
I think that should be:
Liberty and Freedom
1776-1861
R.I.P.
It's no different than big tobacco, Microsoft a company known for inferiority in its product sacrificed for time to market and market share. It amazes a person goes out and buys a product from them, said product then brakes and that person is up in arms because the product lacks quality. My question is on what ground did they feel that they where going to get a quality product, Microsoft's past performance maybe? Anyway it is much like smokers suing big tobacco because the get lung cancer from smoking cigarettes, claiming that big evil tobacco did it to them. To me it is all hogwash as these companies have reputations for doing exactly what happened, don't get me wrong I am not an advocate for these companies and I believe that they are just getting what is coming to them but if you where not aware of what you are getting into when you deal with these companies then you may not be the swiftest boat on the water.
Considering the viability of companies such as hotels.com and expedia.com, I would say that .travel has a serious hand to play in the online travel wars and I believe that it will be huge when they do come out. So much so that it may be as credible as the .com space, when it comes to travel; not to mention, that everyone is looking to get a good domain in the travel industry. I do have some experience in this arena, as I was a partner in an online travel related company called Orlando.com. We latter sold to hotels.com / HRN for a good sum of money. All in all, our success was mainly based on the fact that Google scores the sole name Orlando in the domain name relatively high on the list when searching for Orlando. We where litterly making millions without spending a cent on advertising; if you where to combine that with the .travel extension which I believe Google would probably categorize high for travel related goods, you may very well be able to surpass the .com names. In all I would love to own a name like Orlando.travel as I think it is just as viable as Orlando.com if not more so. Not to mention hotels.travel but you would surly be doing battle with HRN / hotels.com as they are litigation hounds.
It was actually just a joke. I don't believe either have their place in the Kernel.
No no one would ever want VB, now C# or java on the other hand.
I kind of have to agree with the condescending comment the other poster made, but I believe you are on the mark. I have been called in to save three projects from India, all of which where failing miserably. My first recommendation was to assemble a team and build it locally with programmers on site. When programmers have to eat, sleep and breathe the company, the rules and logic of the business surround them. This translates to a better understanding of the system as a whole. One individual asked me if I was just exceptional gifted at spotting programming talent and was the outsourced team unskilled, to which I replied, if you bring the Indians here, that where working on the project, I could complete the same project, in the same timeframe and to the same measure of quality. When queried as to why, I simply explained that an individual separated from the inner workings of the business in running blind, as they have the requirements as to how it is supposed to work, but not the definition as to why it should work. Without this fundamental understanding, it is nearly impossible to build a working and usable system. Unfortunately, or fortunately, there is no known way to express this without an extreme volume of work, so much so, that the cost of doing so, outweighs and benefit gained by outsourcing, as you would need a one to one individual mentor, that understands both programming and the business process they are working on. However, there are some thins that translate well when outsourced, particularly IT related systems that do not reflect an American business practice, such as writing a device driver, or a file system. This is why Microsoft and IBM have had such great success, while banking companies such as BOA have had numerous failures on numerous projects. It would be no different if an Indian or French company for that matter, sent a project to America to be developed. I for one, would not touch it, as it has failure written all over it, I just don't understand the intricacies of French economics, governmental laws, and business processes. All of these factors affect software design at a macro scale, so imagine the littler things that can come about. Outsourcing is Just marketing hype and with the exception of specific development segments is prone to failure due to factors that cannot be overcome no matter if it is outsourcing to India or to America.
Now women ask me where they can meet nerds. (The answer that springs to mind is "Usenix," but that would be like drinking from a firehose.)
Or you could just send them over to Slashdot.
What do you find interesting in a VMS and Java clones is beyond me, two of the worst technologies ever created in the history of software. Not to mention the most directly at odds with the Unix philosophy.
.NET and Mono, we will see but as of now, I have directly copied applications from my development windows machine running the .NET framework, onto our server running MONO and have never had to debug a single application after the move. To me this concept is not one of the worst technologies ever created, it was just Java's implementation of the concept that fell apart.
If you are going to "reshape this industry", you could at least try to do so into a less hideous new shape. (l)Unix has been dead for more than fifteen years[1], but better things have been around for almost as long.
It's funny that everyone keeps heralding how Unix and its variants are a dead end, but more and more operating systems are reinventing the wheels of Unix to provide the security and flexibility that Unix provided 10 years ago.
If you like C but are tired of doing memory allocation, why don't you use the language that the creators of C spent twenty years designing[2] to overcome C limitations: Limbo
It is simply a matter of popularity, you can design a language that does everything, but if it does not win mind share, then you have a very good dead language. I cannot comment on Limbo, as I have never used it, but the progression from C to C# is night and day. C is just old and it feels old, every time you have to touch memory allocations, or make sure everything is cleaned up. As for Java, it has become very bloated and the promise of write once run anywhere has somewhat fallen apart. As for
[1] "Not only is UNIX dead, it's starting to smell really bad." -- Rob Pike circa 1991
"Those who don't understand UNIX are doomed to reinvent it, poorly." --Henry Spencer
Yeah, and there is no duplication of effort in open source