WTF would someone buy this unless they had a BB hard-on? I was one of the people eagerly anticipating a debut from BB that would allow efficient document sharing in a business via a private WAN. Instead we saw the death rattle of an industry who lost all sense of innovation and connection to the customer...
When you are late to a tech game you need to offer something extra, something the market share holders dont have already...this tablet..wow, BB missed a golden opportunity. All they needed to do was create a BB document center server/module for BES and a slate to pair with it just like BBs do. Voila you just won your market back, and securely placed sales for the next 5 years as the only provider of secure electronic documentations to a slate.
As well i can get used DVDs off of amazon for $2-4. When I am viewing movies at home why do I care? In our house we jumped straight from DVD to electronic copy. As well, most movies are still shot with the DVD frame in mind. Ever tried to watch a romantic comedy with the 120Mhz mode on? Creepy looking.
Umm the proper response would be, what noob set up the network in such a way that users can set up servers ad-hoc in a production environment. One of the problems here is that no one is noting this issue.
This cannot be a serious academic hospital...more likely a junior college with a nursing program, not Johns Hopkins...
In a professional network, this behavior would not be tolerated. Before the server would even be spun up a CM (Change Management) request would have to be filled out. Proper department buy off would have to occur and a cost center identified. Even if you buy it yourself, you would need to adhere to corporate policy, which even in the more relaxed environments require the item to be donated to the company.
I will put it out there that this is a network where the IT department barely exists, (not their fault just cost cutting by management), any HIPPA standards are loosely followed, and this is standard behavior. I applaud the IT person for at least asking the question but if this were my department I would be ashamed that the server even got on the production network without notice.
What is interesting is that MS has to PAY people to use their software, vs Motorola CHOOSING to use Android. That is the heart of where MS needs to change things and they know it. They need to get away from the strategy of telling people what they want (apple is the only company good at that), and start really looking into what people actually want. I am a MS guy, I run windows 7 and support their products in a medium sized enterprise. Been doing this for over 10 years. it is amazing to me the useless crap that is packed into MS products because some guy in house decided he wanted to put the feature in there. You dont really catch on to this until you use a community driven product that competes with a MS one.
To this end MS has been doing better at asking people how they want things to work and how things should lay out. Thus the birth of the latest series of products, windows 7, windows server 2008, exchange 2007-10, office 2007-10, etc...
I am just worried with this plan that Nokia is going to become MS's bitch and when Nokia tanks because of this it will just be a blip on MS's radar. Whereas we as consumers will have lost a great manufacturer.
Now this is a mixed message because coming up through the IT field it was the old timers causing the security problems. "What? I have to clean my inputs? This is the way I have always done it and this is how I am going to keep doing it" as well as "bah, our company is not a target".
Now it is 10 years after I entered the field full time, things are FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR better. Yes there are still old sites out there, there are still companies that don't update their security because they are struggling to keep the lights on. But seriously as opposed to 10 years ago, Infosec is widespread, companies have security training seminars for employees, Pentests are a regular phenomenon. This increased security is largely because those of us who grew up with tech, intentionally went into the field, and really enjoy the work are now getting to the 10-15 year range on experience and fixing all the damn problems our predecessors set before us. All the while doing our best to defend against the up and comers who are trying to push out projects as fast as possible to pad their resume.
Only if that 5 year old pentium D has had a hard drive refresh recently and is not a laptop. I have been in this industry for a while...machines get slower over time. Not relatively slower, but measurably, due to flex in the motherboard, wearing down of moving parts, static buildup...it happens, companies just need to learn to budget appropriately, you dont need to buy a secretary a Workstation, a terminal will do just fine or a simple celeron processor. Just budget for replacing every 3 years. So if you have a budget of $200 a year for a PC you can buy a $600 PC...that is a good machine with a decent warranty.
umm the drug negotions happen. They screw over the retail pharmacies every day. medicare/medicaid says "Here is how much we will re-imburse for drug X" then the pharmacies take it in the shorts because the big Pharm companies wont go lower on price because they spent 3 billon on this drug and are spending another 8 billion jumping through hoops on the next few drugs thanks to the FDA.
The death panel crap didnt even register with my conservative friends. It was all over the media and no one cared. What people did care about was all the anti-pro-life legislation that was involved in the healthcare bill and everywhere else. If the democrats (which there are quite a few dems for life), would conceed this one issue in their bills you would be impressed at what the conservatives would let through.
I get tired of you Marxists complaining about these multi-million dollar salaries being unfair. Considering that the execs in question control billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of jobs, I would say that we should be as competitive as possible to get the best people in place. You know what, many times these millionaires and billionaires give extreme amounts of money to charities...the same cannot be said for most middle class Americans.
However, I am with you as long as you change working class to middle class. I have a number of friends who have 5 kids and make less than 50K a year who pay no taxes. Then you have the upper class who have the ability to hire financial teams that take advantage of all the loopholes in the broken system. So what you have left is people like myself, who make between 50 and 100K a year, and have about 33% of the paycheck go to uncle sam right off the bat. Then pay another 7% of that on sales taxes. Which means for busting my balls I get 20% more than my buddy who is just coasting, and I get none of the assistance with my kids.
So as long as the Reps and Dems keep the taxes high for the middle class, we will keep voting for change, which is what both sides want.
But how is that different from what the Dems did the last 2 years? Not saying that republicans are any better but we have some black kettles here. The democrats refused to budge one inch in the last couple years. Do you know how much legislation we could have passed if the D party wouldn't have been hell bent on pushing the one agenda in every bill that Conservatives wont budge on? Abortion? We could have had the health care bill done in a fraction of the time and we could have had a ton of other bills done in this last two years. Yet per the usual The Dem party always finds a way to shoot themselves in the foot. Now we are going to have to wait another 4 years until we can get anything done. bravo.
You are correct I was thinking of a different PC. But you cannot build an atom with a windows professional license for $200...legally and on a large scale.
I agree completely, I am a big fan of appropriate technology. Sometimes a whitebox is a good idea, I have made hundreds. But in this situation it is almost never a good idea.
Besides the corporate network is moving to a virtualized environment, I dont even think PCs are necessary anymore. Why buy PCs when you can grab a set of MS licenses, $250 thinclients, and be free of the mess.
There I just put together a Vostro, 2GB Ram, 7 Pro, Celeron processor and 160GB hard drive, $423 with 1 year warranty. Beat that with a white box, seriously...go ahead and try, dont forget the windows 7 license. And no one-off deals, you have to plan this for putting together a minimum of 100 PCs.
In that case if we are going down the atom route (not the biggest concern) you can check out the Zino series.
But seriously, there is a reason this is not done. There is a cost to doing business. Only the extremely shortsighted look at a $1000 business class PC from HP/Dell/IBM and say it is a ripoff. I can build a dune buggy for a couple hundred dollars but it is not going to replace a ford focus.
Even on the $300 dell you still get a 90 day - 1 year warranty. Hell you can even get a 3-4 year warranty on it for a couple hundred. And all this isnt even counting dell outlet where you can pick up PCs in the >$250 range.
I admire people thinking outside of the box but hackjobs on networks just hurts everyone involved.
$1000 for a pc is because the TFA is a noob. A seasoned admin would understand the price and/or move to the Vostro series for $300 a PC. If he wants to forgo the warranty and quality parts he can hit up the Inspiron series as well even go for some Zino PCs. With the $1000 optiplex you are getting a kick ass warranty, solid parts (with a few hiccups over the past 15 years). You are getting enterprise support, a discount, consistency. But if none of these things are important to you, you still cant beat $300-$500 for a PC building it on your own. You have to factor in your time, no warranty, and hassle as has been mentioned and you are back up to $1000+ over the life of the PC. Not to mention the poor SOB who will replace you and inherit the hell you just created.
My advice, if $1000 is too much then break down the cost of the $1000 PC and decide what you can live without, the vostro $300 line will do you just fine, and I dare you to put together a PC for cheaper in a business environment.
In high school we talked about this at length to the point that I was the only one left, accepting the proof but not the result. 12 years later I still get grief for it but I stand by the point. Largely now due to the parent's rational. But in science we need to look at practical as well as theoretical. It isn't an XOR.
Ya you have a good point. Personally if I don't want to be tracked I wont be, it is not hard to hide yourself. Relying on some big brother to maintain a list of your IPs and information scares the crap out of me...When are people going to stop being lazy and take care of this themselves?
Correct, the link does agree with you slightly, I think you said that there was no penetration, perhaps you were alluding to it not penetrating organs. The shot would penetrate just fine, it just wouldnt kill unless you got lucky. #6 or #8 would cause enough damage to cripple all but the drugged up perp.
That is odd, what did you use? Hard or soft clay? we used to use bird shot to do some pretty massive damage to fruit on fenceposts (didn't have much use for bird shot we used 6-8 shot in our 12 and 20 gauge). Sure it did not demolish the fruit but I sure as heck wouldn't want to be on the receiving end. Was also effective at removing birds from the ol garden at 20 yards I googled a couple results:
Given this was 9 shot not this mythical 40 shot spoken above, what is that? dust?
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When you are late to a tech game you need to offer something extra, something the market share holders dont have already...this tablet..wow, BB missed a golden opportunity. All they needed to do was create a BB document center server/module for BES and a slate to pair with it just like BBs do. Voila you just won your market back, and securely placed sales for the next 5 years as the only provider of secure electronic documentations to a slate.
As well i can get used DVDs off of amazon for $2-4. When I am viewing movies at home why do I care? In our house we jumped straight from DVD to electronic copy. As well, most movies are still shot with the DVD frame in mind. Ever tried to watch a romantic comedy with the 120Mhz mode on? Creepy looking.
This cannot be a serious academic hospital...more likely a junior college with a nursing program, not Johns Hopkins...
In a professional network, this behavior would not be tolerated. Before the server would even be spun up a CM (Change Management) request would have to be filled out. Proper department buy off would have to occur and a cost center identified. Even if you buy it yourself, you would need to adhere to corporate policy, which even in the more relaxed environments require the item to be donated to the company.
I will put it out there that this is a network where the IT department barely exists, (not their fault just cost cutting by management), any HIPPA standards are loosely followed, and this is standard behavior. I applaud the IT person for at least asking the question but if this were my department I would be ashamed that the server even got on the production network without notice.
Good then I can still get my Banjo of Consternation from Woot.
To this end MS has been doing better at asking people how they want things to work and how things should lay out. Thus the birth of the latest series of products, windows 7, windows server 2008, exchange 2007-10, office 2007-10, etc...
I am just worried with this plan that Nokia is going to become MS's bitch and when Nokia tanks because of this it will just be a blip on MS's radar. Whereas we as consumers will have lost a great manufacturer.
Now it is 10 years after I entered the field full time, things are FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR better. Yes there are still old sites out there, there are still companies that don't update their security because they are struggling to keep the lights on. But seriously as opposed to 10 years ago, Infosec is widespread, companies have security training seminars for employees, Pentests are a regular phenomenon. This increased security is largely because those of us who grew up with tech, intentionally went into the field, and really enjoy the work are now getting to the 10-15 year range on experience and fixing all the damn problems our predecessors set before us. All the while doing our best to defend against the up and comers who are trying to push out projects as fast as possible to pad their resume.
Only if that 5 year old pentium D has had a hard drive refresh recently and is not a laptop. I have been in this industry for a while...machines get slower over time. Not relatively slower, but measurably, due to flex in the motherboard, wearing down of moving parts, static buildup...it happens, companies just need to learn to budget appropriately, you dont need to buy a secretary a Workstation, a terminal will do just fine or a simple celeron processor. Just budget for replacing every 3 years. So if you have a budget of $200 a year for a PC you can buy a $600 PC...that is a good machine with a decent warranty.
umm the drug negotions happen. They screw over the retail pharmacies every day. medicare/medicaid says "Here is how much we will re-imburse for drug X" then the pharmacies take it in the shorts because the big Pharm companies wont go lower on price because they spent 3 billon on this drug and are spending another 8 billion jumping through hoops on the next few drugs thanks to the FDA.
The death panel crap didnt even register with my conservative friends. It was all over the media and no one cared. What people did care about was all the anti-pro-life legislation that was involved in the healthcare bill and everywhere else. If the democrats (which there are quite a few dems for life), would conceed this one issue in their bills you would be impressed at what the conservatives would let through.
However, I am with you as long as you change working class to middle class. I have a number of friends who have 5 kids and make less than 50K a year who pay no taxes. Then you have the upper class who have the ability to hire financial teams that take advantage of all the loopholes in the broken system. So what you have left is people like myself, who make between 50 and 100K a year, and have about 33% of the paycheck go to uncle sam right off the bat. Then pay another 7% of that on sales taxes. Which means for busting my balls I get 20% more than my buddy who is just coasting, and I get none of the assistance with my kids.
So as long as the Reps and Dems keep the taxes high for the middle class, we will keep voting for change, which is what both sides want.
But how is that different from what the Dems did the last 2 years? Not saying that republicans are any better but we have some black kettles here. The democrats refused to budge one inch in the last couple years. Do you know how much legislation we could have passed if the D party wouldn't have been hell bent on pushing the one agenda in every bill that Conservatives wont budge on? Abortion? We could have had the health care bill done in a fraction of the time and we could have had a ton of other bills done in this last two years. Yet per the usual The Dem party always finds a way to shoot themselves in the foot. Now we are going to have to wait another 4 years until we can get anything done. bravo.
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If you have an existing set of licenses then you will be moving to thinclients anyway. We are trying to compare apples to apples here.
You are correct I was thinking of a different PC. But you cannot build an atom with a windows professional license for $200...legally and on a large scale.
Besides the corporate network is moving to a virtualized environment, I dont even think PCs are necessary anymore. Why buy PCs when you can grab a set of MS licenses, $250 thinclients, and be free of the mess.
There I just put together a Vostro, 2GB Ram, 7 Pro, Celeron processor and 160GB hard drive, $423 with 1 year warranty. Beat that with a white box, seriously...go ahead and try, dont forget the windows 7 license. And no one-off deals, you have to plan this for putting together a minimum of 100 PCs.
But seriously, there is a reason this is not done. There is a cost to doing business. Only the extremely shortsighted look at a $1000 business class PC from HP/Dell/IBM and say it is a ripoff. I can build a dune buggy for a couple hundred dollars but it is not going to replace a ford focus.
Even on the $300 dell you still get a 90 day - 1 year warranty. Hell you can even get a 3-4 year warranty on it for a couple hundred. And all this isnt even counting dell outlet where you can pick up PCs in the >$250 range.
I admire people thinking outside of the box but hackjobs on networks just hurts everyone involved.
My advice, if $1000 is too much then break down the cost of the $1000 PC and decide what you can live without, the vostro $300 line will do you just fine, and I dare you to put together a PC for cheaper in a business environment.
However, what is up with the obvious story troll? Are the /. numbers low today?
In high school we talked about this at length to the point that I was the only one left, accepting the proof but not the result. 12 years later I still get grief for it but I stand by the point. Largely now due to the parent's rational. But in science we need to look at practical as well as theoretical. It isn't an XOR.
Holy crap, a slashdotter with an understanding of Mosaic laws and the covenants...excuse me while I go check the sky for bacon...
Ya you have a good point. Personally if I don't want to be tracked I wont be, it is not hard to hide yourself. Relying on some big brother to maintain a list of your IPs and information scares the crap out of me...When are people going to stop being lazy and take care of this themselves?
Were I single I think I would have to use the lemon law....http://www.tvacres.com/sex_dating_barney.htm
Correct, the link does agree with you slightly, I think you said that there was no penetration, perhaps you were alluding to it not penetrating organs. The shot would penetrate just fine, it just wouldnt kill unless you got lucky. #6 or #8 would cause enough damage to cripple all but the drugged up perp.
Given this was 9 shot not this mythical 40 shot spoken above, what is that? dust?
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