Ok, how about you come over and stand still while I hit you with some bird shot at 12-20 feet...I am pretty sure that will stop if not incapacitate you in your tracks unless you have nerves of steel. You evidentally have very little experience with guns. Don't believe me? Go out, borrow a shotgun, get said bird shot, head to the country and set up a good watermelon at 10-20 feet and see what happens.
I agree, but what is funny was I was helping host a lock-in for HS students one time, we did a HALO marathon, was fantastic, 4 projectors and 16 players at a time. Me and my buddy who were big Battlefield Players for PC and were getting schooled until about 3:00am when we finally mapped our brains to the controllers. then we heard shouts of "WHO THE HELL IS KILLING ME" we just raised our hands as we schooled them the rest of the night:)
ya sure, take away 3/4 of the interface, maim the response to fast twitch muscles, and allow the users to only see through a small hole eliminating all perphereal vision. Sure THEN it will be a fair match. That is what it is like playing with a console controller, the joysticks cant keep up with a wrist fast twitch muscle that has had decades of practice in most gaming males.
After years of playing ROMs built for nintendo super nintendo, 64, Sega, Playstation, etc etc. I can still say without a doubt that with a mouse and keyboard the games are much easier. Because they were made with the intent that you wouldnt be able to move that fast.
Interface is interface. Rather than use my mod points to mod you down, (your post really doesnt meet mod criteria and I don't do the -1 disagree like some jackasses).
It isnt the cameral angle...seriously have you played any PC FPS games? Racing games have been around for a very long time and are very enjoyable. And flight simulators? Seriously? Ever heard of a feedback joystick?
Where console game beat PC is in price, and the fact that you know your game will work. There are fewer variables in the hardware and software. Really sucks to be in the middle of a race/shootout/flight and your AV kicks in:)
PC gaming currently is the better control system due to response and immersion. Not to mention macros, fast twitch muscles actually meaning something, and a higher level of detail possible (depending on your $$$) Console gaming is flat out reliable, fun, and you dont have to dump $800-$1200 in hardware to compete. Which means most of your friends can play with you, not just your rich ones.
My biggest complaint was regarding Natilus, which is decidedly a key component in the Ubuntu GUI. You can't administrate very well with it in its native state. Sharing NFS and adding permissions is hokey at best (I couldn't even set group perms through the GUI even though I owned the folder).
Do you see mac people saying they wont support SMB? or AD? heck no, they work to help people with them. My criticisms are a real concern and directly are effected by the way in which Ubuntu was built. I can do all these things, except install Fuse 2.8 (which is just a lack of knowledge on my part) in Ubuntu 9. Once I went to 10, everythign was switched around to the point that all the docs on How to forge couldn't help me. Something as simple as restarting Samba or creating an NFS share was out of scope.
sorry for the brash response, we all want those guys to go away:) sorry for mistaking you.
No I haven't used Ubuntu at all for administrative tasks. This was my first exploration into it. Ubuntu 9 was pretty straightforward. However, while the conf is in the same directory, the services are not.
What I meant by "maybe I am better at this than you" was regarding again the idea that you were a yahoo that thought that they were better than linux noobs. I am quite adept at grabbing new techs or different techs that fit the bill for what I want to do. I do something well, document it, then move on. My exploration of getting Ubuntu 10 to do something obvious was a dismal failure in the end due to shortcomings created by windows 7 kerberos not being compatable with SMB for some weird reason. Since I elevate auth on my network to NTLMv2 the XP boxes would not work either, I am assuming because of my 2008R2 domain. However, many of the issues I was having would have been greatly simplified had a community member assisted me in things as simple as restarting samba in ubuntu 10, or helping me find the right dependencies for Fuse 2.8 in Ubuntu 9.
also the GUI sharing option is a bit broken, once you try to add permissions I wouldn't even let me change them for who knows what reason and yes I was in my usr folder.
In the end, Ubuntu has a lot of work ahead of them if they want admins to switch over, I am what some would call, very good at this kind of stuff and I found it exceedingly difficult to do what I wanted in Ubuntu, and I have a veteran Redhat user sitting 10 feet from me.
Thats odd, because forums supporting Redhat, OSX, and Windows all will help. No one says (sorry that is someone else's problem). Usually you get someone pretty nice who already set up the same thing who is willing to help you out.
I thought dicks like yourself got chased out of the community a while ago. The problem is, where would I find information on nautilus-gksu? Sure it is obvious to you but maybe, just maybe, I am better at this than you and not even I could find it...
There is a gigantic DEV community around ubuntu. Try asking a question in an Ubuntu forum, Ubuntu is notoriously bad here. Ask the same things in a redhat forum and you get solid help.
Ya not to mention I enforce stricter encryption on my LAN so the XP boxes couldn't access the share either. Glad I could save you some time. It really isnt Samba's fault, if MS would open up the protocol for everyone instead of being ass-wipes about it the world would be a better place.
ya that is what I do, but if I am already in the terminal I might as well sudo su and use nano. I use a gui so I DONT have to do that. As Ubuntu stands right now, all the GUI is for is so you can see multiple terminal windows at once and surf firefox...it is useless as a file browser, editor, or any kind of administration. Even creating shares is such a PIA that a guy like myself who only dabbles in linux finds it way more comfortable to be in the CLI running around blind. No wonder Linux fanboys make fun of us windows and OSX guys for our GUIs, the linux gui (GNOME or KDE I don't care which) suck big harry balls.
I'm with ya bud. All the way. I am fine with CHMOD a file or directory but I shouldnt have to and it is a PIA to do things that way. WTF am I running in a GUI for if I have to do it all through CLI? Case and point, I gave up on nautilus and am running my current ubuntu server CLI only, what is that run level 3?
Learning the linux talk is half the battle as well. I get a lot of "just grep for it" or "Use find". That is great if I know what I am looking for but when they change iptables to ufw, how the hell to you grep for something when you don't even know what the name of it is? That is my biggest gripe with 10, they renamed so much to make things easier that unless I spend the next 3 weeks reading the release material I don't know what I am doing...
Be patient with SMB? I worked with it for over 2 weeks, pretty solid. I basically found out that SMB doesn't work with windows 7, or the fact that I only use NTLMv2 (which SMB supports).
Perhaps that is my problem though, I am trying to use Ubuntu as a server, a simple file server. Perhaps Ubuntu isn't designed for that. I don't care how it shares the file though, I just need to be able to mount the directory on a windows box, which has proved to be an insurmountable task. With no help from the community to explain where things are or how ubuntu does things. I want to learn I just don't know how many times I can ram my head into this wall.
Ya eventually I stumbled across ufw. But that is what started irritating me a bit about Ubuntu 10. I felt like it was a lot of stumbling around in the dark rather than an intuitive feel. I am sure there is reasoning to it all but it did not fit the bill for me.
Generally the same spot as 8.04? I think not! You got me though, SMB.conf is in the same directory. But check/etc/ where are the services? init.d rc5.d rc4.d? find / -name SMB.conf tells me the conf file but what is the name of the service now? (btw took someone telling me about the -name flag in find before I could locate anything since it isnt in the man file.) So as a noob I spent a considerable amount of time with 10 just rebooting to restart services and refresh conf files. Really irritating, so I moved back to 9 where everything is in the init.d directory and the names are listed online in forums. But then I was in a bit of a dependency hell again.
Ya I can get NFS to work great with ubuntu 9. As for iSCSI, windows 7 supports that Natively as well, which is awesome, but unfortunately I cannot seem to get windows 7 and Ubuntu 10 to talk to each other.
Ubuntu 10 has been a PIA for me. As an experienced administrator I am largely OS agnostic. I learned to program on Solaris and VAXVMS, I owned a Clamshell through college, and in the business world have been working with MS. However like many I am heavy on the Windows side.
Ubuntu 9 was fine, but it was missing a couple libraries that were dependencies for Fuse 2.8. Not to mention that SMB is broke in 10, the GUI is just awful because it doesn't allow for easy 'run as root'. Want to edit smb.conf, you are SOL unless you go through CLI or create a custom link to your favorite editor. I have no problem going CLI only either, except that in Ubuntu 10 everything has been moved into a slew of *.d directories. As a newbie to 10, where the hell is anything you are looking for? You use the find command and good ol ubuntu leaves out crucial syntax points in their man pages...Often my biggest issue in Ubuntu is not so much that I dont know what I want to do, but rather, I cant find what I want to do. I ahve pretty advanced knowledge of firewalls and routers but WTF do you do when you cannot find the conf file or force it to reload?
For now I think I am going to be sticking with redhat derivatives...seems to be more support there.
If ubuntu wants to win over more windows folk, they really really need to fix that dammed GUI, or at the least work on encouraging the community to be more active. I have 3 separate threads asking for help on either iSCSI, SMB, or NFS. Only got 2 hits and they only posted twice before going MIA. You would think that Ubuntu would be better at supporting communication between windows and Linux.
Yes this is definitely an issue, http://xkcd.com/285/ for those of us who actually research something it is really annoying. "Where did you hear that?" gets a stare, and often enough it was a misquote.
That being said, the easiest way to get someone to change their opinion is not to have one yourself, work on earning the other person's respect then they are willing to listen to your ideas or at least come to you as a reference.
What makes the non-usa'ers more "left wing"? I often have people say this but none can back it up with reasoning. Perhaps you can.
Also:
If all people allowed facts to easily sway their judgment there would be no creationists, no global warming deniers, no birthers, and no war on drugs.
This is based on the assumption that there is no god, that Global warming as presented is real, WTF are birthers?, and that legalized drugs actually would work. You see you are just another bigot, a person pursuing truth wouldn't qualify truth by making statements as above, they would merely accept whatever the truth is, no matter how wrong their presupposition was.
Well that is kind of the way many of these companies go *cough*palm. You have forums filled with threads of people asking for a feature or improvement. Then RIM releases something that not one person asked for. Seriously, community driven development is the way to go. That is why I have so much hope for the Android. I like companies that ask the users what they want rather than telling them what they want.
Preach it. Really all we are waiting for (us blackberry admins) is a good management server for Android or iPhone. Really all we want to do is be able to put policies on our phones so they automatically lock and encrypt. We could do these one at a time but when you have more than 10-20 phones this becomes problematic. Are there any projects out there for this?
Seriously, as a BB admin I can say that their OS sucks big hairy balls. Why would I want, or why would ANYONE want a tablet edition of this? Even with the BIS, you are so limited in what you can do..eg I can brick it and a couple other neat tricks. What is the point? You are a sinking ship BB, going the way of palm because you are a one trick pony whose trick isn't even good anymore.
Things that BB needs to fix before they can even pretend to compete with iPhone and Android devices:
1. Fix the damn OS so it doesn't take 5 to 20 minutes to boot based on the memory card.
2. Allow wifi hotspots from your devices. I mean good lord, you are a business phone! you should at least make the tethering simple and allow 802.11...idiots.
3. Allow at least some kind of reasonable management software...installing 300MB of roxio and desktop crap just to back up my phone? WTF.
4. You havent updated BIS in what? 2 years? Features like online backup are listed but unusable..literally? Any of you who have used BIS know the fun that is installing BIS and managing it, a hundred options, 20% of which are disabled waiting to be finished. Oh yea and it can only be installed on 2003 x32 or less...on a good day.
5. Finally, slap verizon for charging an extraneous $15 charge per phone just for using BIS.
With our next rollout, as the admin i am recommending we switch to an iPhone or Android based phone, depending on who comes out with a central management app first, but that even isnt necessary.
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Ok, how about you come over and stand still while I hit you with some bird shot at 12-20 feet...I am pretty sure that will stop if not incapacitate you in your tracks unless you have nerves of steel. You evidentally have very little experience with guns. Don't believe me? Go out, borrow a shotgun, get said bird shot, head to the country and set up a good watermelon at 10-20 feet and see what happens.
I agree, but what is funny was I was helping host a lock-in for HS students one time, we did a HALO marathon, was fantastic, 4 projectors and 16 players at a time. Me and my buddy who were big Battlefield Players for PC and were getting schooled until about 3:00am when we finally mapped our brains to the controllers. then we heard shouts of "WHO THE HELL IS KILLING ME" we just raised our hands as we schooled them the rest of the night :)
After years of playing ROMs built for nintendo super nintendo, 64, Sega, Playstation, etc etc. I can still say without a doubt that with a mouse and keyboard the games are much easier. Because they were made with the intent that you wouldnt be able to move that fast.
It isnt the cameral angle...seriously have you played any PC FPS games? Racing games have been around for a very long time and are very enjoyable. And flight simulators? Seriously? Ever heard of a feedback joystick?
Where console game beat PC is in price, and the fact that you know your game will work. There are fewer variables in the hardware and software. Really sucks to be in the middle of a race/shootout/flight and your AV kicks in :)
PC gaming currently is the better control system due to response and immersion. Not to mention macros, fast twitch muscles actually meaning something, and a higher level of detail possible (depending on your $$$) Console gaming is flat out reliable, fun, and you dont have to dump $800-$1200 in hardware to compete. Which means most of your friends can play with you, not just your rich ones.
Do you see mac people saying they wont support SMB? or AD? heck no, they work to help people with them. My criticisms are a real concern and directly are effected by the way in which Ubuntu was built. I can do all these things, except install Fuse 2.8 (which is just a lack of knowledge on my part) in Ubuntu 9. Once I went to 10, everythign was switched around to the point that all the docs on How to forge couldn't help me. Something as simple as restarting Samba or creating an NFS share was out of scope.
No I haven't used Ubuntu at all for administrative tasks. This was my first exploration into it. Ubuntu 9 was pretty straightforward. However, while the conf is in the same directory, the services are not.
What I meant by "maybe I am better at this than you" was regarding again the idea that you were a yahoo that thought that they were better than linux noobs. I am quite adept at grabbing new techs or different techs that fit the bill for what I want to do. I do something well, document it, then move on. My exploration of getting Ubuntu 10 to do something obvious was a dismal failure in the end due to shortcomings created by windows 7 kerberos not being compatable with SMB for some weird reason. Since I elevate auth on my network to NTLMv2 the XP boxes would not work either, I am assuming because of my 2008R2 domain. However, many of the issues I was having would have been greatly simplified had a community member assisted me in things as simple as restarting samba in ubuntu 10, or helping me find the right dependencies for Fuse 2.8 in Ubuntu 9.
also the GUI sharing option is a bit broken, once you try to add permissions I wouldn't even let me change them for who knows what reason and yes I was in my usr folder.
In the end, Ubuntu has a lot of work ahead of them if they want admins to switch over, I am what some would call, very good at this kind of stuff and I found it exceedingly difficult to do what I wanted in Ubuntu, and I have a veteran Redhat user sitting 10 feet from me.
Thats odd, because forums supporting Redhat, OSX, and Windows all will help. No one says (sorry that is someone else's problem). Usually you get someone pretty nice who already set up the same thing who is willing to help you out.
There is a gigantic DEV community around ubuntu. Try asking a question in an Ubuntu forum, Ubuntu is notoriously bad here. Ask the same things in a redhat forum and you get solid help.
I don't buy that. That is what permissions is for. This is a ease of use problem.
Ya not to mention I enforce stricter encryption on my LAN so the XP boxes couldn't access the share either. Glad I could save you some time. It really isnt Samba's fault, if MS would open up the protocol for everyone instead of being ass-wipes about it the world would be a better place.
ya that is what I do, but if I am already in the terminal I might as well sudo su and use nano. I use a gui so I DONT have to do that. As Ubuntu stands right now, all the GUI is for is so you can see multiple terminal windows at once and surf firefox...it is useless as a file browser, editor, or any kind of administration. Even creating shares is such a PIA that a guy like myself who only dabbles in linux finds it way more comfortable to be in the CLI running around blind. No wonder Linux fanboys make fun of us windows and OSX guys for our GUIs, the linux gui (GNOME or KDE I don't care which) suck big harry balls.
Learning the linux talk is half the battle as well. I get a lot of "just grep for it" or "Use find". That is great if I know what I am looking for but when they change iptables to ufw, how the hell to you grep for something when you don't even know what the name of it is? That is my biggest gripe with 10, they renamed so much to make things easier that unless I spend the next 3 weeks reading the release material I don't know what I am doing...
Be patient with SMB? I worked with it for over 2 weeks, pretty solid. I basically found out that SMB doesn't work with windows 7, or the fact that I only use NTLMv2 (which SMB supports).
Perhaps that is my problem though, I am trying to use Ubuntu as a server, a simple file server. Perhaps Ubuntu isn't designed for that. I don't care how it shares the file though, I just need to be able to mount the directory on a windows box, which has proved to be an insurmountable task. With no help from the community to explain where things are or how ubuntu does things. I want to learn I just don't know how many times I can ram my head into this wall.
Generally the same spot as 8.04? I think not! You got me though, SMB.conf is in the same directory. But check /etc/ where are the services? init.d rc5.d rc4.d? find / -name SMB.conf tells me the conf file but what is the name of the service now? (btw took someone telling me about the -name flag in find before I could locate anything since it isnt in the man file.) So as a noob I spent a considerable amount of time with 10 just rebooting to restart services and refresh conf files. Really irritating, so I moved back to 9 where everything is in the init.d directory and the names are listed online in forums. But then I was in a bit of a dependency hell again.
For an OS in it's 10th revision I would expect the same...
Ya I can get NFS to work great with ubuntu 9. As for iSCSI, windows 7 supports that Natively as well, which is awesome, but unfortunately I cannot seem to get windows 7 and Ubuntu 10 to talk to each other.
Ubuntu 9 was fine, but it was missing a couple libraries that were dependencies for Fuse 2.8. Not to mention that SMB is broke in 10, the GUI is just awful because it doesn't allow for easy 'run as root'. Want to edit smb.conf, you are SOL unless you go through CLI or create a custom link to your favorite editor. I have no problem going CLI only either, except that in Ubuntu 10 everything has been moved into a slew of *.d directories. As a newbie to 10, where the hell is anything you are looking for? You use the find command and good ol ubuntu leaves out crucial syntax points in their man pages...Often my biggest issue in Ubuntu is not so much that I dont know what I want to do, but rather, I cant find what I want to do. I ahve pretty advanced knowledge of firewalls and routers but WTF do you do when you cannot find the conf file or force it to reload?
For now I think I am going to be sticking with redhat derivatives...seems to be more support there.
If ubuntu wants to win over more windows folk, they really really need to fix that dammed GUI, or at the least work on encouraging the community to be more active. I have 3 separate threads asking for help on either iSCSI, SMB, or NFS. Only got 2 hits and they only posted twice before going MIA. You would think that Ubuntu would be better at supporting communication between windows and Linux.
That being said, the easiest way to get someone to change their opinion is not to have one yourself, work on earning the other person's respect then they are willing to listen to your ideas or at least come to you as a reference.
Also: If all people allowed facts to easily sway their judgment there would be no creationists, no global warming deniers, no birthers, and no war on drugs.
This is based on the assumption that there is no god, that Global warming as presented is real, WTF are birthers?, and that legalized drugs actually would work. You see you are just another bigot, a person pursuing truth wouldn't qualify truth by making statements as above, they would merely accept whatever the truth is, no matter how wrong their presupposition was.
Honestly, I consider the Daily Show to be the most accurate political commentary on TV...which is really really sad...
put on your robe and wizard hat...
Well that is kind of the way many of these companies go *cough*palm. You have forums filled with threads of people asking for a feature or improvement. Then RIM releases something that not one person asked for. Seriously, community driven development is the way to go. That is why I have so much hope for the Android. I like companies that ask the users what they want rather than telling them what they want.
Preach it. Really all we are waiting for (us blackberry admins) is a good management server for Android or iPhone. Really all we want to do is be able to put policies on our phones so they automatically lock and encrypt. We could do these one at a time but when you have more than 10-20 phones this becomes problematic. Are there any projects out there for this?
ya I get yelled at for saying BES as well. Technically I am using BPS. And it really is no more secure than OWA.
Seriously, as a BB admin I can say that their OS sucks big hairy balls. Why would I want, or why would ANYONE want a tablet edition of this? Even with the BIS, you are so limited in what you can do..eg I can brick it and a couple other neat tricks. What is the point? You are a sinking ship BB, going the way of palm because you are a one trick pony whose trick isn't even good anymore.
Things that BB needs to fix before they can even pretend to compete with iPhone and Android devices:
1. Fix the damn OS so it doesn't take 5 to 20 minutes to boot based on the memory card.
2. Allow wifi hotspots from your devices. I mean good lord, you are a business phone! you should at least make the tethering simple and allow 802.11...idiots.
3. Allow at least some kind of reasonable management software...installing 300MB of roxio and desktop crap just to back up my phone? WTF.
4. You havent updated BIS in what? 2 years? Features like online backup are listed but unusable..literally? Any of you who have used BIS know the fun that is installing BIS and managing it, a hundred options, 20% of which are disabled waiting to be finished. Oh yea and it can only be installed on 2003 x32 or less...on a good day.
5. Finally, slap verizon for charging an extraneous $15 charge per phone just for using BIS.
With our next rollout, as the admin i am recommending we switch to an iPhone or Android based phone, depending on who comes out with a central management app first, but that even isnt necessary.