How about this one then: At any point during the creation of the documentary, were you able to ask any Diebold employees or others familiar with thier voting machines why they were not as accurate and problem free as their ATM's?
Yes, that would be much better presented to an actual employee. Maybe one of them will grow a conscience and come out with that info on their own.
I was informed that your company also makes ATM machines. How is it that those don't suffer from the same inaccuracies and problems that your voting machines do? I have never come across an ATM that has had sceen slippage problems, or ATM's that required a bank employee to fiddle with to get to work. Is there a reason for this?
You have been reading too much slashdot if you think that is some sort of response. Pulling sentences and sentence fragments out of paragraphs and responding to them individually is not how to have a discussion. You do that when you lost the argument as a whole, and can only throw out a few thoughts that makes you sound right. I apologize for thinking you wrote the original post, but you only needed to mention it once, not 3 or 4 different times. If you need to make yourself sound right a few extra times to make it seem like your winning the discussion(I didn't want to win or lose, just discuss) then at least say something new. The funny thing is, I can tell that our beliefs on this subject aren't that far apart, but you can't see that in your closed minded I'm always right brain of yours. Also, please don't ever use that "can you only think in terms of black and white" as part of any discussion/argument. Yes, people do think that way but it adds nothing to the discussion and makes you sound like a little child saying, "I know you are but what am I".
But this has turned a bit negative, and after reading what we both wrote neither of us made any good points. I should stop trying to post during work and you should stop trying to post during your grammar school classes. Hehehe, jk.
Just because anarchy can lead to something doesn't mean it will. Any form of government can lead to the destruciton of the human race. Should we avoid them all then? Just because you equate anarchy with chaos does not make it so. I consider America's two party system to be chaos, doesn't mean it is. You have to get beyond the belief that anarchy is people running around trying to rape and kill everyone, trying to become the most powerful human by forming gangs to take advantage of the weak. That is everything that anarchy is not, so there is no connection between the two. The whole point of me stating that we could not have anarchy now, but it is something to strive towards is because I meant just that, we can't live in anarchy right now. There are still people who would take advantage of the weak, as you can see clear as day in the world today, especially with governments. But if we head in that direction, at least the people in government that I don't trust will have little at their disposal to influence my life or force me to live however they think they should. I did not realize that you trust your government completly.
By learned economist I just meant that I actually have a degree in economics. I just liked the way it sounded, sorry if you thought I meant I was some noble prize winning economist, I am not. I asked you to provide examples because I was responding to your post where you failed to cite any. I did not realize thatthe discussions you have with others consists of throwing ideas out and waiting until your proven wrong, and that you are right until that happens. I do not know about Europe, but here in the states the phone companies were broken up, we got worse service(and on top of that a much more inefficent system), we had to pay more, and in the end, the companies all started to buy each other and we are back to where we started, a monopoly. Add to that the purpose of breaking up the monopoloy was to give people more choice, but we were still forced to go through whatever provider happened to be in our area. You can run the numbers if you would like, I don't have time to do that now, but they will not support your belief that it is always a good thing for governments to intervene.
Good post for the most part, but a few things are wrong with it. First off, your definition of anarchy is completely wrong. It seems as if you developed it from watching movies, listening to antiestableshment punks(or the complete opposite), and loking at war ravaged countries that are in a state of complete chaos, not anarchy. Anarchy does indeed mean a life without government(more a life without someone to rule over you, no hierarchy), but it has nothing to do with chaos, disorder, and destruction. Anarachy does not say people can't ban together to form societies, tribes, communities, or anything like that. It isn't all individual. I will admit that to live in a state of anarchy today would be a complete disaster. The human race as a whole is not ready for that. But ideally, it is what our society should be striving toward. To suggest differently is to admit that you do not possess the attributes to live on your own without an authority figure to watch over you.
Secondly, and I say this as a learned economist, no monopoly that has been broken up by the government has ever benefitted the people. I ask for you to provide an example of this. No, the phone monolopy broken up decades ago does not support your view, it supports mine.
Plants require oxygen too. Last I studied anything about plants, I learned that during the day they take in carbon dioxide and release oxygen(what we all learned in school), but during the night the process reverses, and they take in oxygen and release CO2 back into the air. Not sure if all plants do this or not, but is there even enough oxygen on Mars for this to take place? What else is in the air? If Mars atmosphere does anything like it did in Total Recall, plants don't stand a chance. Yes I'm well aware that it was just a movie.
I did not see Duke Nukem in the list. Maybe I skipped over it but I think it should definitely be up there if it is not. The graphics and gameplay were probably nothing special at the time, but I do remember it being the first game to use speech during the game. Speech is probably a bad word to use since it was more short samples from Army of Darkness. Unfortunately not in Bruce's voice but it was still a nice little feature. Ooohhhh, that's got to hurt, Come get some, etc. Classic
It is the bar that needs the license. Without one, dancing is illegal for anyone in the bar. If a place got busted for this, do the police arrest the dancers too? That I'm not sure. Knowing police these days, I woulnd't put it past them. It was a bad example I guess but I think I made my point. One need only look at all the blue laws on the books to find other examples.
Hrothgar the Stupid, do you really think they want the information that is already publicly displayed on the webpages? Or do you think that they perhaps want all the data that is collected and stored behind the scenes.
You know, I never thought of that. And I probably never will again. But before you go around telling people this is your solution to this and many other problems, think about this. Because there are a plethora of laws out there, and even more ways of interpretting them, everyone is basically a criminal already. There isn't one person in this country that hasn't committed some crime or another, be it jay walking, dancing in a bar without a cabert license(nyc), littering, etc. So making everything public would be great if everything wasn't illegal.
Well, almost everything you say is wrong, but I'm just going to focus on one part of it.
Or the brutal cartels that, if they were operating in the same sphere as legitimate businesses, would make every single corrupt corporation, combined in some voltron-like fashion, look like the local, friendly mom & pop.
I think it would actually be the other way around. The brutal cartels, as you call them, would be shocked at how corrupt, ruthless, and evil our corporations are. They wouldn't stand a chance against a true, overlly ambitious, power hungry, self righteous american businessman/politician anyday. Damn I'm proud to be of this country. Our evil kicks your evil's ass.
A few years ago, an ounce of bud was worth more then an ounce of gold(I don't think at the moment since gold prices have gone up quite a bit recently). Once anyone realizes this, it is quite hard to not, literally, grow money on trees. Except your trees are pot plants and your money is nuggets that need to be sold for money. But a lot of it.
This is what I initially thought of as well, that the universe was simply stretching out. Then the whole faster then light thing makes sense. But is there any proof that the universe is strectching itself and not simply just getting larger without having to stretch.
As result, about 50% of US population does not think at all, and votes for whoever they are told to vote, and believes in whatever they are told to believe.
50%? Really? You think the number is that high? I was going to say more like 80% of the population doesn't think, or they do but are too stupid to think to the point where it's dangerous for them to do so. And I'm being generous with 80%, probably worse but I can't lose complete faith in the human race.
I see no need for this to be done in a virtual reality simulation. They could just as easily, and for a lot cheaper, put these people in rooms with the objects and viewed them from simple 2way mirrors so that there are no unintentional cues. Unless you were trying to prove that thoughts/telepathy can travel through electrical currents, it seems to me this whole experiment is a waste of money. It has been tried thousands of times beofre, just not in a virtual world. I bet adding this extra complexity got them more money though.
As far as the USF is concerned, I say get rid of it for rural areas, leave it for schools and libraries. If you want to support urban sprawl and live in the middle of nowhere, fine, but don't ask me to pay for your communication access. If a company wants to do it for you and charge you a lot and you bitch about the cost to you and only you, too bad, move someplace you can afford. I think the way the USF is written now, people in urban areas like NYC are paying for some log cabin in the middle of nowhere Alaska to have internet connection.
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How about this one then: At any point during the creation of the documentary, were you able to ask any Diebold employees or others familiar with thier voting machines why they were not as accurate and problem free as their ATM's?
Yes, that would be much better presented to an actual employee. Maybe one of them will grow a conscience and come out with that info on their own.
I was informed that your company also makes ATM machines. How is it that those don't suffer from the same inaccuracies and problems that your voting machines do? I have never come across an ATM that has had sceen slippage problems, or ATM's that required a bank employee to fiddle with to get to work. Is there a reason for this?
But this has turned a bit negative, and after reading what we both wrote neither of us made any good points. I should stop trying to post during work and you should stop trying to post during your grammar school classes. Hehehe, jk.
By learned economist I just meant that I actually have a degree in economics. I just liked the way it sounded, sorry if you thought I meant I was some noble prize winning economist, I am not. I asked you to provide examples because I was responding to your post where you failed to cite any. I did not realize thatthe discussions you have with others consists of throwing ideas out and waiting until your proven wrong, and that you are right until that happens. I do not know about Europe, but here in the states the phone companies were broken up, we got worse service(and on top of that a much more inefficent system), we had to pay more, and in the end, the companies all started to buy each other and we are back to where we started, a monopoly. Add to that the purpose of breaking up the monopoloy was to give people more choice, but we were still forced to go through whatever provider happened to be in our area. You can run the numbers if you would like, I don't have time to do that now, but they will not support your belief that it is always a good thing for governments to intervene.
Secondly, and I say this as a learned economist, no monopoly that has been broken up by the government has ever benefitted the people. I ask for you to provide an example of this. No, the phone monolopy broken up decades ago does not support your view, it supports mine.
Definitely not the only one that loved the government shutdowns. I think that is why the 90's turned out so great, the government didn't do anything.
Yes, it was Jack London.
Plants require oxygen too. Last I studied anything about plants, I learned that during the day they take in carbon dioxide and release oxygen(what we all learned in school), but during the night the process reverses, and they take in oxygen and release CO2 back into the air. Not sure if all plants do this or not, but is there even enough oxygen on Mars for this to take place? What else is in the air? If Mars atmosphere does anything like it did in Total Recall, plants don't stand a chance. Yes I'm well aware that it was just a movie.
It was also the first fps to bring mushrooms into the game that cause the character to trip when taken. afaik
I did not see Duke Nukem in the list. Maybe I skipped over it but I think it should definitely be up there if it is not. The graphics and gameplay were probably nothing special at the time, but I do remember it being the first game to use speech during the game. Speech is probably a bad word to use since it was more short samples from Army of Darkness. Unfortunately not in Bruce's voice but it was still a nice little feature. Ooohhhh, that's got to hurt, Come get some, etc. Classic
It is the bar that needs the license. Without one, dancing is illegal for anyone in the bar. If a place got busted for this, do the police arrest the dancers too? That I'm not sure. Knowing police these days, I woulnd't put it past them. It was a bad example I guess but I think I made my point. One need only look at all the blue laws on the books to find other examples.
Hrothgar the Stupid, do you really think they want the information that is already publicly displayed on the webpages? Or do you think that they perhaps want all the data that is collected and stored behind the scenes.
You know, I never thought of that. And I probably never will again. But before you go around telling people this is your solution to this and many other problems, think about this. Because there are a plethora of laws out there, and even more ways of interpretting them, everyone is basically a criminal already. There isn't one person in this country that hasn't committed some crime or another, be it jay walking, dancing in a bar without a cabert license(nyc), littering, etc. So making everything public would be great if everything wasn't illegal.
Don't store the data in the first place.
We can replace it with the Any Key.
Or the brutal cartels that, if they were operating in the same sphere as legitimate businesses, would make every single corrupt corporation, combined in some voltron-like fashion, look like the local, friendly mom & pop.
I think it would actually be the other way around. The brutal cartels, as you call them, would be shocked at how corrupt, ruthless, and evil our corporations are. They wouldn't stand a chance against a true, overlly ambitious, power hungry, self righteous american businessman/politician anyday. Damn I'm proud to be of this country. Our evil kicks your evil's ass.
A few years ago, an ounce of bud was worth more then an ounce of gold(I don't think at the moment since gold prices have gone up quite a bit recently). Once anyone realizes this, it is quite hard to not, literally, grow money on trees. Except your trees are pot plants and your money is nuggets that need to be sold for money. But a lot of it.
This is what I initially thought of as well, that the universe was simply stretching out. Then the whole faster then light thing makes sense. But is there any proof that the universe is strectching itself and not simply just getting larger without having to stretch.
So then there are things that travel faster then light?
50%? Really? You think the number is that high? I was going to say more like 80% of the population doesn't think, or they do but are too stupid to think to the point where it's dangerous for them to do so. And I'm being generous with 80%, probably worse but I can't lose complete faith in the human race.
I see no need for this to be done in a virtual reality simulation. They could just as easily, and for a lot cheaper, put these people in rooms with the objects and viewed them from simple 2way mirrors so that there are no unintentional cues. Unless you were trying to prove that thoughts/telepathy can travel through electrical currents, it seems to me this whole experiment is a waste of money. It has been tried thousands of times beofre, just not in a virtual world. I bet adding this extra complexity got them more money though.
Who will pay? Probably the same people who pay for ringtones.
As far as the USF is concerned, I say get rid of it for rural areas, leave it for schools and libraries. If you want to support urban sprawl and live in the middle of nowhere, fine, but don't ask me to pay for your communication access. If a company wants to do it for you and charge you a lot and you bitch about the cost to you and only you, too bad, move someplace you can afford. I think the way the USF is written now, people in urban areas like NYC are paying for some log cabin in the middle of nowhere Alaska to have internet connection.
The government coming to a screeching halt is a good thing. The less it does the better.
Because you don't know how to laugh. I'de rather be a sheep then an ass.