At some point, they have sold the product to everyone who needs it, and any growth in revenue HAS to come from price increases....or adding a small amount of features to the application, allowing a portion of the userbase to upgrade for free. Then having the new version's document format unreadable by the old one, forcing the rest to upgrade in order to read the documents.
This happens on Windows as well but usually not as randomly or unexplainably - that said, maybe if Linux had a user base as large as Windows', there'd be more help available. Probably not though, most of the techies are already on Linux.
How long does it take you to sync?! Probably 10 minutes for me at best... unless you mean 'emerge world', that can take up to an hour. Surely still something you don't have to save up time for:)
Hey, I have nothing wrong with kids tinkering with computers. It's just tinkering with cars, only less exercise and you don't need to bathe afterwards:)
But if you're in the mood to try out the new game you bought, you don't really want to screw about for a couple hours (in that earlier Linux graphics card roundup, it took eight hours until they were happy with the setup!) Leave the tinkering to Gentoo users like myself, and makes games easy with Mandrake.
Of course we can't really do that until binary drivers can be packaged with the OS...
I think it pretty much exemplifies how hard Linux gaming is to set up, when you have an entire Wiki engine set up for one FAQ.
I'd guess it'll be the same as my experiences - a variety of minor problems depending on what hardware you have, in particular ATI users getting shafted.
In fact: "Currently, the game will not run correctly on ATI cards using the fglrx driver. However, the ATI developers are working on new driver releases, and eventually the game will be supported." but DRI drivers might work, and either way the future looks promising.
Also 5.1 surround support isn't currently available. Depressing, but hopefully set to improve:)
Sorry, I oversimplified when I said 'take the browser out of the kernel'... point taken.
Unfortunately, logoff/logon is generally just as inconvenient as shutting down. By your definition though, perhaps only Explorer would have to be shut down and restarted. That wouldn't be much of an issue at all. Rebooting, I guess, is the safest way for Microsoft to be sure everything has been updated after the patch. Or the laziest way:)
That's the point, if you want choice you have to do it yourself!
What are you suggesting? A Gentoo install program that would let you pick your processor type, check off some sample packages ('KDE', 'Apache') and set it all up for you?
I had a similar thought actually, it could just be a graphical app on the livecd that runs a bunch of commandline stuff for you. But if you go that far, you might as well just add portage to Mandrake. Click-And-Run for Linspire/Lindows does that to some extent, and there are surely other projects in the works.
I have to say that Gentoo installation wasn't tricky at all... although my package CD refused to work so I decided to compile KDE on my own - bad idea, it took six hours:( Once booted I have had little issues with it, though.
But I agree with other posters that if you want a painless install, just choose another distro... Gentoo isn't that special once you remove the choice and detail from it.
I can't think of another convenient way to prove that the vast majority of users don't read EULAs. If Blizzard can enter in any clauses it likes into the EULA and rely on users not bothering to read it, the EFF company should be able to add similar clauses to theirs.
To be honest your comment was the exact kind I was trying to lure in with my post, because most people (me included obviously) don't know about these guys. So thanks a lot, that's helpful info:)
In my defence I do know who Bioware is, but not anyone in it my name...
Hmm, now I come to think about it I think this is in the works. When you install an extension 'Unsigned' appears next to the name in bolded red letters.
At the moment this doesn't mean much but perhaps later they will be signed and unsigned ones with show up warnings. Via something like GPG.
Problem is... how well are these warnings going to work? I expect most users to just click OK and ignore them, so the answer is not a lot. After all, try to install 'unsigned' XP drivers... the hardware manufacturers generally avoid certification fees by instructing their users to ignore the warnings!
You are overlooking something clearly, because update.mozilla.org is in the Firefox whitelist by default... adding www.mozilla.org would not cause any extra problems over what's already there for the default user.
Remember that even if you spoof the domain, the user has to accept the download - nothing is automatically installed, thankfully.
For Windows updates this is acceptable, after all it is the OS. It would be more ideal if they took the browser out of the kernel so IE could be updated (as it so often is) without a reboot. And if you go completely modular like Linux, then obviously reboots are almost removed, but you have the problem of getting lots of different programs to talk to each other.
For instance I'm having a hard time getting my sound card to work since you have to pass a command line argument to every audio app so it works with ALSA.
BTW, am I the only one annoyed by Windows Update's 'Reboot Now/Later' pop-up? Even if you click Later, it comes back up after five minutes or so. It's just obnoxious...
I must be the only one who realises Windows Update has the exact same system. It shows up an icon, downloads the updates, asks you to install them, and they get installed.
Maybe slightly more than three seconds but just as painless...
Same goes with Gentoo and Debian package systems, if you add a cronjob to do it.
Perhaps intelligent people or programmers happen to use the computer more, and therefore IE more. So much that they've become used to it and don't want to switch.
Of course this is pure myth since Firefox is virtually identical.
Don't forget there's a key difference between 'programmers' and 'MS programmers' - I've seen exceptionally skilled people who subscribe to MS newsletters and MSDN and use MS products for everything like it's a clothing brand.
Unfortunately a lot of them get XP preinstalled but stick with Internet Explorer - and often Windows Update is set to automatically patch them.
On the other hand these same PCs are still soaking in spyware and adware (despite patching) and there is still hope for anyone looking to convert them to Firefox.
My knowledge of RFCs is a little sketchy. Am I right in saying that if you use (in my case) richardjharris+mypoints@gmail.com, the email still gets through but has a different To: header? That would be ideal... except for the fact I'd still get spam. But it'd be ideal on one of my junk accounts.
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At some point, they have sold the product to everyone who needs it, and any growth in revenue HAS to come from price increases. ...or adding a small amount of features to the application, allowing a portion of the userbase to upgrade for free. Then having the new version's document format unreadable by the old one, forcing the rest to upgrade in order to read the documents.
Yeah, but I was referring to random combinations of hardware failing, e.g. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=124368&cid=104 37160
This happens on Windows as well but usually not as randomly or unexplainably - that said, maybe if Linux had a user base as large as Windows', there'd be more help available. Probably not though, most of the techies are already on Linux.
How long does it take you to sync?! Probably 10 minutes for me at best... unless you mean 'emerge world', that can take up to an hour. Surely still something you don't have to save up time for :)
Hey, I have nothing wrong with kids tinkering with computers. It's just tinkering with cars, only less exercise and you don't need to bathe afterwards :)
But if you're in the mood to try out the new game you bought, you don't really want to screw about for a couple hours (in that earlier Linux graphics card roundup, it took eight hours until they were happy with the setup!) Leave the tinkering to Gentoo users like myself, and makes games easy with Mandrake.
Of course we can't really do that until binary drivers can be packaged with the OS...
I think it pretty much exemplifies how hard Linux gaming is to set up, when you have an entire Wiki engine set up for one FAQ.
:)
I'd guess it'll be the same as my experiences - a variety of minor problems depending on what hardware you have, in particular ATI users getting shafted.
In fact: "Currently, the game will not run correctly on ATI cards using the fglrx driver. However, the ATI developers are working on new driver releases, and eventually the game will be supported." but DRI drivers might work, and either way the future looks promising.
Also 5.1 surround support isn't currently available. Depressing, but hopefully set to improve
All iPod users are pirates?
Ballmer can kiss the fattest part of my ass.
Gentoo users, try emerge -s infocom (as root, of course)
Sorry, I oversimplified when I said 'take the browser out of the kernel'... point taken.
:)
Unfortunately, logoff/logon is generally just as inconvenient as shutting down. By your definition though, perhaps only Explorer would have to be shut down and restarted. That wouldn't be much of an issue at all. Rebooting, I guess, is the safest way for Microsoft to be sure everything has been updated after the patch. Or the laziest way
That's the point, if you want choice you have to do it yourself!
:( Once booted I have had little issues with it, though.
What are you suggesting? A Gentoo install program that would let you pick your processor type, check off some sample packages ('KDE', 'Apache') and set it all up for you?
I had a similar thought actually, it could just be a graphical app on the livecd that runs a bunch of commandline stuff for you. But if you go that far, you might as well just add portage to Mandrake. Click-And-Run for Linspire/Lindows does that to some extent, and there are surely other projects in the works.
I have to say that Gentoo installation wasn't tricky at all... although my package CD refused to work so I decided to compile KDE on my own - bad idea, it took six hours
But I agree with other posters that if you want a painless install, just choose another distro... Gentoo isn't that special once you remove the choice and detail from it.
I can't think of another convenient way to prove that the vast majority of users don't read EULAs. If Blizzard can enter in any clauses it likes into the EULA and rely on users not bothering to read it, the EFF company should be able to add similar clauses to theirs.
To be honest your comment was the exact kind I was trying to lure in with my post, because most people (me included obviously) don't know about these guys. So thanks a lot, that's helpful info :)
In my defence I do know who Bioware is, but not anyone in it my name...
"Among the panel members were Nolan Bushnell... Who?
Hmm, now I come to think about it I think this is in the works. When you install an extension 'Unsigned' appears next to the name in bolded red letters.
At the moment this doesn't mean much but perhaps later they will be signed and unsigned ones with show up warnings. Via something like GPG.
Problem is... how well are these warnings going to work? I expect most users to just click OK and ignore them, so the answer is not a lot. After all, try to install 'unsigned' XP drivers... the hardware manufacturers generally avoid certification fees by instructing their users to ignore the warnings!
You are overlooking something clearly, because update.mozilla.org is in the Firefox whitelist by default... adding www.mozilla.org would not cause any extra problems over what's already there for the default user.
Remember that even if you spoof the domain, the user has to accept the download - nothing is automatically installed, thankfully.
For Windows updates this is acceptable, after all it is the OS. It would be more ideal if they took the browser out of the kernel so IE could be updated (as it so often is) without a reboot. And if you go completely modular like Linux, then obviously reboots are almost removed, but you have the problem of getting lots of different programs to talk to each other.
For instance I'm having a hard time getting my sound card to work since you have to pass a command line argument to every audio app so it works with ALSA.
BTW, am I the only one annoyed by Windows Update's 'Reboot Now/Later' pop-up? Even if you click Later, it comes back up after five minutes or so. It's just obnoxious...
I must be the only one who realises Windows Update has the exact same system. It shows up an icon, downloads the updates, asks you to install them, and they get installed.
Maybe slightly more than three seconds but just as painless...
Same goes with Gentoo and Debian package systems, if you add a cronjob to do it.
No matter, just visit the press page linked by CowboyNeal and click the link to install the XPI patch directly.
Firefox will probably block it, but two more button-presses to whitelist www.mozilla.org for patch installations and you'll be able to apply it.
If this sort of thing continues they should definitely add www.mozilla.org to the default whitelist.
Really!? I'm removing it from my blogroll right away!
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=123702&cid=103 87007
Bruce, one account on Slashdot is enough :)
Apparently some in the Slashdot crowd are immune to literary devices such as hyperbole.
Immune!? Did they get innoculated or is this a genetic thing?
Perhaps intelligent people or programmers happen to use the computer more, and therefore IE more. So much that they've become used to it and don't want to switch.
Of course this is pure myth since Firefox is virtually identical.
Don't forget there's a key difference between 'programmers' and 'MS programmers' - I've seen exceptionally skilled people who subscribe to MS newsletters and MSDN and use MS products for everything like it's a clothing brand.
Unfortunately a lot of them get XP preinstalled but stick with Internet Explorer - and often Windows Update is set to automatically patch them.
On the other hand these same PCs are still soaking in spyware and adware (despite patching) and there is still hope for anyone looking to convert them to Firefox.
My knowledge of RFCs is a little sketchy. Am I right in saying that if you use (in my case) richardjharris+mypoints@gmail.com, the email still gets through but has a different To: header? That would be ideal... except for the fact I'd still get spam. But it'd be ideal on one of my junk accounts.
I could have done without the furry porn :(