Basically, this leaves very little room for me to be me. Why the hell can't we speak for our OWN actions? "oh.. some one else will do it" just doesn't sound like a good life phylosophy. It sounds like a very bad one.
Hey now, just because one of us is uninformed in the Art, doesn't mean the rest of us are lost as well.
I copy paste nothing, yet I use PHP... go figure.
Ya, I'll admit I'm rusty on this little tid bit of history, but.. it was a side note, and the point was to show that the language is very old, and hasn't really changed much all these thousands of years.
Not that I'm swelling with pride or anything, but you are uninformed. 'lo' and 'al' are the same word. However, you cannot use 'lo' as a command(ment). It is gramatically incorrect.
I speak hebrew, and a good portion of the first testimant was taught to me in public school in Israel. The exact words in the bible are "al tirzzah". The current usage of the word means "murder", not "kill". I am quite sure that the word for kill (ereg) existed during the time the bible was written.
As a side note, the "ancient language" remained very consistant for a very long time. There is very little difference between the hebrew spoken then versus now. Only when you get far enough in the past to aramaic (spelling??), you get an actual different language.
"We're basically guessing when we decide how they stood and moved. Intelligent guesses, yes, but no way to prove anything."
I'm guessing you don't know what is typically looked at when bones are studied. I won't claim that I do, but I would argue that what is inferred is anything but an "educated guess". It's not guesswork. And to claim that it is, is to undermine over a century of real study done by individuals who, amonst other things, have dedicated their entire lives to the subject.
Evidence is evidence. Archeologists follow the same science as forensics. Forensic scientists study bones and inffer real events that are admissible in court. In this case the science can make or break an individual, and yet it is *valid*.
Hell, my first real project was less then a year ago, and let me tell you, I realized that I didn't know how to do things very quickly. Thankfully I love programming, so learning how to do it just brings me satisfaction. How I do things now is even hard to compare.
"Since most authors only check their documents using one or two UAs, rather than using a validator, this means that authors are not checking for validity, and thus most documents that claim to be XHTML on the web now are invalid.... Yes, I said _most_ authors. If you are one of the few authors who understands how to avoid the issues raised in this document and does validate all their markup, then this document probably does not apply to you"
Concidering my age, and concidering my one year formal experience in development thus far, IMHO, _most_ of these authors should be fired. In reality, "web standards" is becomming a new "buzzword". Like anything that grows organically, adoption of these web standards is slow, and slowly accelerating. At some point, there will be a "critical mass", and the rest is history.
Of this I am convinced because the new methods simply make sense. And no matter how much some entity will try to push their crap on people, eventually people have the final say. What they will use will be what makes sense to use based on experience, not marketing.
Keep in mind that the *only* thing that makes you a "big presense" on the Internet is your visitors. If your crapsite doesn't render for them, guess what's easier to change (options: 1. people's devices at home, 2. your bloody code). If you opt for option #1, good luck, this is a high risk, with a potentially big return (probably in the form of sales of the device). Option #2 requires someone with experience and understanding somewhat near my own, and it is NOT hard to get a validator extension for FF. The end result is the same with respect to the visitors aspect, what would you chose?
I suspect that the only company that'll bother maintaining HTML 5 will be Microsoft, because they'll simply "forget" to update their [insert w/e handles this function in the OS now "feature"] to read XHTML properly (again), and an HTML 5 renderer will be the cheapest thing for them to plug in. Then, claim "innovation" & "progress", as well as the use of new HTML5(tm) "standards". But, this is mere speculation on my part. *grumble*
"But as far as the future is concerned, as a web applications developer, I honestly hope that I am never asked to write a 'cellphone website'."
As a fellow webapp developer, I definately agree, and would like to point out that a "cellphone website" is a concept that should have never been concieved. I don't think our job is to do things twice for no good reason.
Actually, it works pretty well. That is, if you know what you're doing. And, in her own words, it's "just the same" (as far as she's concerned).
Also, since installing Ubuntu on my laptop, I am convinced that those who'd say what you say they'd say, are full of s**t.
Interestingly, I would think that Windows would make a user more insensitive. What, with all them popups, etc... it's just mindnumbing.
To Mods: If sounds like troll, sorry, not intentional. I am only replying to a single aspect of a basically pointless argument. The important thing here is choice, not platform.
I don't think you are listening. What you want is a *dream*. It is not something that has been developed. Believe me I looked. I am developing with the same techs. you describe and I would love a few short cuts. I found them, they are called libraries. You still have to write code. Period. Propel + phphtmllib are very powerful. Many standard pear packages are definately a boost. But the bottom line is that these neat components need glue code.
Look, unless you are able to at least glue these components with SOME code, you aren't going to get anywhere. Just forget about it, because such an elaborate GUI does NOT exist. GUI isn't your solution either, since you don't understand the fundamentals of the problems you are trying to solve. Sorry, but you're either going to have to hit the books, or pay/convince someone else to do this for you.
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You can concider it valid all you want. It isn't.
What language is this? why is it "void main() {" not "int main()". Quit pretending you're a programmer.
Are you deaf, blind or just stupid? Did you not understand ANYTHING that this guy said?
99% horror is really that much better than 100%? You really think so?
Basically, this leaves very little room for me to be me. Why the hell can't we speak for our OWN actions? "oh.. some one else will do it" just doesn't sound like a good life phylosophy. It sounds like a very bad one.
propel, a pear package http://propel.tigris.org/ does exactly that.
In russian we have. "Kill him, not show mercy" or "Kill him not, show mercy". :)
As far as my own experience goes (PHP/MySQL), the only thing I find that's missing is namespaces.
Hey now, just because one of us is uninformed in the Art, doesn't mean the rest of us are lost as well. I copy paste nothing, yet I use PHP... go figure.
Ya, I'll admit I'm rusty on this little tid bit of history, but.. it was a side note, and the point was to show that the language is very old, and hasn't really changed much all these thousands of years.
Not that I'm swelling with pride or anything, but you are uninformed. 'lo' and 'al' are the same word. However, you cannot use 'lo' as a command(ment). It is gramatically incorrect.
As a side note, the "ancient language" remained very consistant for a very long time. There is very little difference between the hebrew spoken then versus now. Only when you get far enough in the past to aramaic (spelling??), you get an actual different language.
I'm guessing you don't know what is typically looked at when bones are studied. I won't claim that I do, but I would argue that what is inferred is anything but an "educated guess". It's not guesswork. And to claim that it is, is to undermine over a century of real study done by individuals who, amonst other things, have dedicated their entire lives to the subject.
Evidence is evidence. Archeologists follow the same science as forensics. Forensic scientists study bones and inffer real events that are admissible in court. In this case the science can make or break an individual, and yet it is *valid*.
Bones.
Hell, my first real project was less then a year ago, and let me tell you, I realized that I didn't know how to do things very quickly. Thankfully I love programming, so learning how to do it just brings me satisfaction. How I do things now is even hard to compare.
yay! i have a future!
I see you've watched "The Corporation". Good movie. Highly recommend it.
[another] wierd markup language?
It's definately just you. For one, what is it that you think the two have in common?
Dear AC, may I recommend a cold shower?
Concidering my age, and concidering my one year formal experience in development thus far, IMHO, _most_ of these authors should be fired. In reality, "web standards" is becomming a new "buzzword". Like anything that grows organically, adoption of these web standards is slow, and slowly accelerating. At some point, there will be a "critical mass", and the rest is history.
Of this I am convinced because the new methods simply make sense. And no matter how much some entity will try to push their crap on people, eventually people have the final say. What they will use will be what makes sense to use based on experience, not marketing.
Keep in mind that the *only* thing that makes you a "big presense" on the Internet is your visitors. If your crapsite doesn't render for them, guess what's easier to change (options: 1. people's devices at home, 2. your bloody code). If you opt for option #1, good luck, this is a high risk, with a potentially big return (probably in the form of sales of the device). Option #2 requires someone with experience and understanding somewhat near my own, and it is NOT hard to get a validator extension for FF. The end result is the same with respect to the visitors aspect, what would you chose?
I suspect that the only company that'll bother maintaining HTML 5 will be Microsoft, because they'll simply "forget" to update their [insert w/e handles this function in the OS now "feature"] to read XHTML properly (again), and an HTML 5 renderer will be the cheapest thing for them to plug in. Then, claim "innovation" & "progress", as well as the use of new HTML5(tm) "standards". But, this is mere speculation on my part. *grumble*
As a fellow webapp developer, I definately agree, and would like to point out that a "cellphone website" is a concept that should have never been concieved. I don't think our job is to do things twice for no good reason.
Also, since installing Ubuntu on my laptop, I am convinced that those who'd say what you say they'd say, are full of s**t.
Interestingly, I would think that Windows would make a user more insensitive. What, with all them popups, etc... it's just mindnumbing.
To Mods: If sounds like troll, sorry, not intentional. I am only replying to a single aspect of a basically pointless argument. The important thing here is choice, not platform.
I don't think you are listening. What you want is a *dream*. It is not something that has been developed. Believe me I looked. I am developing with the same techs. you describe and I would love a few short cuts. I found them, they are called libraries. You still have to write code. Period. Propel + phphtmllib are very powerful. Many standard pear packages are definately a boost. But the bottom line is that these neat components need glue code.
Look, unless you are able to at least glue these components with SOME code, you aren't going to get anywhere. Just forget about it, because such an elaborate GUI does NOT exist. GUI isn't your solution either, since you don't understand the fundamentals of the problems you are trying to solve. Sorry, but you're either going to have to hit the books, or pay/convince someone else to do this for you.