Sure, much (not all) C code will compile as C++. But that does not mean that a C++ programmer is qualified to write C or vice versa. The languages are vastly different in practice, with completely different sets of styles and idioms. A typical experienced C++ programmer who hasn't also spent a goodly amount of time writing straight C will find maintaining C code to be a terribly frustrating experience (I've been in that position, and learning how to do things "the C way" was not trivial). An experienced C programmer without significant C++ experience will be completely unable to decipher sophisticated C++ code.
What? You mean people in the real world actually use C++ to do something besides write better CoBOL programs in C?
Shoot. I've got to quit spending so much time at work and get out into the real world more.
When are you guys going to wake up to the question of eavesdropping?
One I/O bit attached to a slightly long trace that appears to go nowhere, and the machine could squeal on every voter in real time. That may not make it easy to influence the first election, but it would make it easier to make the people who voted "the wrong way" to start feeling paranoid.
I understand what you are saying. You don't want to risk the military claiming that it contains encryption, and is therefore "classified" as a munitions.
But as someone else points out, we are (supposed to be) our government. So, if the government owns it, we own it, as someone else has pointed out in a post that is for some reason not opened by default. (I don't collect mod points or I'd mod that one up.)
Big government type politicians like to have us forget that, and like to sell us government programs, trading these sorts of rights for security (and for warm fuzzies because we think the government is then taking care of, for instance, our poor people).
I wonder if there is a corrolation between schizophrenia and being born again. I would think it would be only natural to think that the voices in your head were coming from god.
Just in case you're curious, there's a difference between voices in your head and voices in your heart.
We know software that's as bulletproof as our democracy deserves can be written
We do?
I suppose what you mean to see is that it ought to be at least as good as what the banks get is.
I don't think that's good enough, particularly when you consider how much goes on that the banks are covering up because it's more profitable to let the money flow anyway.
One more thing that bugs me, and no one talks about it. The CIA or someone is supposed to be able to read the radio signals from your keyoard and screen, right? What's to stop them from reading the radio signals from an eVoting machine's touchscreen?
Not to mention, what's to stop them from hiding a little UWB chip on the motherboard? Freescale's UWB is supposed to be so low power and scattered you can only hear it on the receiver.
Well, when the bottom line doesn't take into account the possibility that the customers will revolt after all, it's going to be hard to make a case for backing off.
But the customers will eventually revolt or be revolting, and it won't be pretty.
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I have a *BSD box. I have Java running on it. Took a day to compile while I did something else productive.
But if I want Windows.Forms (why, I wouldn't know.), I have to load a half-done mono and a half-done dotgnu.
I got burned on Microsfat C a long time ago, and I will never listen to their sales crew again.
That's why I am not surprised at the heat this debate generates.
Okay, here's the real solution:
Everybody convert to the True Religion and does what God tells him or her about it.
Why doesn't it work? Well, there's always the difficulty of choosing the True Religion. Then there's always the difficulty of getting people to give more than lip service to any part of it other than their own favorite hobby doctrines.
And there's the issue that God, if God exists, seems to be quite content to let the average joker screw him/herself until reality hits.
So the real problem seems to be lack of patience. The problem will be solved one way or another.
In the meantime, I want to see something that can be done without making things worse:
Passive solar water heating seems to be good.
Windmills seem to be good, but I'm wondering about the hidden production costs. I'm not too worried about the effects on wind patterns, but I think there should be some simulations run. (Do we have the technology?)
Bicycles seem to be good.
Jobs close to home seem to be good, but there seem to be socio-political-advertising problems with those.
Telecommuting ought to be good, if we could get the semiconductor industry to slow down their pollution now that we have what should be enough power in the average desktop to support it.
Farming our own land seems like a great solution to the global warming, if only everyone would do it. Of course, some people think there are too many disadvantages to that, worried, I suppose, about the carbon dioxide, natural gas, and heat produced by septic tanks, composts pits, and cattle.
Besides causing havoc in the primitive fauna, the so-called "oxygen holocaust" led to the appearance of the much more efficient respiration mechanism. Which in turn allowed for the emergence of much more complex forms of life (Eukaryotes) in a Bacterial world.
So, now mother nature (through us) is compensating with a CO2 holocaust. And when we are gone, a much more complex lifeform will take our place.
Right thing or wrong thing, the US has never been trusted.
Energy flows through our country like water flows through the ocean, while most of the world hasn't enough energy to pump water where they need it for their day-to-day.
We send our drug enforcement agents and our Peace Corps volunteers around to turn every one into little Americas, then when they've got the windowdressing in place, we disappear with whatever valuable things they had.
We are the problem. We put up with the Congressmen, the lawyers, the Bushes and Clintons and Kerrys and on and on, because we like selling each other the idea of selling.
This whole thread is just like it is on the streets. Everbody beefing, nobody willing to get to work and do the one thing they personally could do to change the world today. And we wake up and it's the same world tomorrow.
If you guys can handle calculus, can you handle the calculus of making the world a better place one person at a time? Quit beefing.
If you don't like who's in power, don't vote for the scum the opposition offers, get out and get good people into office. Then get them back out when their terms end, so they don't end up corrupt like the bunch we have now.
And quit trying to protect your stupid standard of living from the illusion that the poor people who live in other countries are all after your job.
After a couple of stations scrape up enough money for hiring lawyers, MS lawyers meet with the stations's lawyers, and the MS sends in the sales crew:
"Hey, we're doing this as a free service, but we would prefer to pump your actual feed into the 'net for a small fee. You can ensure your survival into the age of BroadBand Radio."
And, yes, it's a small fee. Doing it for free now will hopefully put up a smoke screen when Apple or someone complains that they are effectively service dumping. Then MS owns the music 'net, in spite of Apple being first in.
Nevertheless, if you have as strong (anecdotal?) reason as you say for wanting to try Debian, I'd agree with the guys who think you should talk your company into letting you build a few prototype systems before they throw all their eggs in one basket.
I'd also agree with the guys who say to talk with your IBM people, too.
Well, an iSubNoteBook would be nice. Wouldn't ask for much power, really, just the equivalent of my old 300MHz clamshell, but with a firewire port, too. Maybe a holographic keyboard. Being able to use it as a cell phone would be a nice plus. It would be nice if it fit in my shirtpocket instead of just being a thinner, lighter 'book.
Linux or a BSD on something not power hungry (ARM?) would be nice, if it fit in my shirtpocket, could be used as a phone and gave me access to vi and gcc. (What, somebody already has that?)
But the thing I want most is to be able to type productively on the train standing up.
I also tend to lean towards wondering why anyone would bother using WMC in a project where the targets are all Mac OS X, and (it sounds like there are good odds that) the boxes used for producing, editing, and broadcasting will also be Mac OS X.
I mean, my impression is that unless a tech guy (used to MSWindows style apps) is going to be running the show, it'd be better to avoid the platform jumping issues.
Even if the guy in charge is a tech guy, what could be the advantage of adding the platform jump? Anything you need for the project that runs on MSWindows is there for the Mac.
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and I'll be a happy camper. Maybe even a happy programmer, too.
(I suppose I'll have to do that myself someday, just to find out.)
What? You mean people in the real world actually use C++ to do something besides write better CoBOL programs in C?
Shoot. I've got to quit spending so much time at work and get out into the real world more.
Tokaimura?
that cowboy whats-his-face posted the original to get the slashdotters to go after linuxworld and its ilk?
I suppose I should read the whole thread to see if someone else mentioned it, but kagi is another alternative in many cases.
It's not as complete a solution as paypal tries to be, but it does allow people to sell on-line without having to become full on-line vendors.
When are you guys going to wake up to the question of eavesdropping? One I/O bit attached to a slightly long trace that appears to go nowhere, and the machine could squeal on every voter in real time. That may not make it easy to influence the first election, but it would make it easier to make the people who voted "the wrong way" to start feeling paranoid.
I understand what you are saying. You don't want to risk the military claiming that it contains encryption, and is therefore "classified" as a munitions.
But as someone else points out, we are (supposed to be) our government. So, if the government owns it, we own it, as someone else has pointed out in a post that is for some reason not opened by default. (I don't collect mod points or I'd mod that one up.)
Big government type politicians like to have us forget that, and like to sell us government programs, trading these sorts of rights for security (and for warm fuzzies because we think the government is then taking care of, for instance, our poor people).
Just in case you're curious, there's a difference between voices in your head and voices in your heart.
Or something close enough for practical vote eavesdropping.
Or maybe even a little UWB?
We do?
I suppose what you mean to see is that it ought to be at least as good as what the banks get is.
I don't think that's good enough, particularly when you consider how much goes on that the banks are covering up because it's more profitable to let the money flow anyway.
One more thing that bugs me, and no one talks about it. The CIA or someone is supposed to be able to read the radio signals from your keyoard and screen, right? What's to stop them from reading the radio signals from an eVoting machine's touchscreen?
Not to mention, what's to stop them from hiding a little UWB chip on the motherboard? Freescale's UWB is supposed to be so low power and scattered you can only hear it on the receiver.
was a good movie.
Well, when the bottom line doesn't take into account the possibility that the customers will revolt after all, it's going to be hard to make a case for backing off.
But the customers will eventually revolt or be revolting, and it won't be pretty.
I have a *BSD box. I have Java running on it. Took a day to compile while I did something else productive.
But if I want Windows.Forms (why, I wouldn't know.), I have to load a half-done mono and a half-done dotgnu.
I got burned on Microsfat C a long time ago, and I will never listen to their sales crew again.
So far I haven't seen any.
That's why I am not surprised at the heat this debate generates.
Okay, here's the real solution:
Everybody convert to the True Religion and does what God tells him or her about it.
Why doesn't it work? Well, there's always the difficulty of choosing the True Religion. Then there's always the difficulty of getting people to give more than lip service to any part of it other than their own favorite hobby doctrines.
And there's the issue that God, if God exists, seems to be quite content to let the average joker screw him/herself until reality hits.
So the real problem seems to be lack of patience. The problem will be solved one way or another.
In the meantime, I want to see something that can be done without making things worse:
Passive solar water heating seems to be good.
Windmills seem to be good, but I'm wondering about the hidden production costs. I'm not too worried about the effects on wind patterns, but I think there should be some simulations run. (Do we have the technology?)
Bicycles seem to be good.
Jobs close to home seem to be good, but there seem to be socio-political-advertising problems with those.
Telecommuting ought to be good, if we could get the semiconductor industry to slow down their pollution now that we have what should be enough power in the average desktop to support it.
Farming our own land seems like a great solution to the global warming, if only everyone would do it. Of course, some people think there are too many disadvantages to that, worried, I suppose, about the carbon dioxide, natural gas, and heat produced by septic tanks, composts pits, and cattle.
So, now mother nature (through us) is compensating with a CO2 holocaust. And when we are gone, a much more complex lifeform will take our place.
Am I joking? Only time (or God) will tell.
Right thing or wrong thing, the US has never been trusted.
Energy flows through our country like water flows through the ocean, while most of the world hasn't enough energy to pump water where they need it for their day-to-day.
We send our drug enforcement agents and our Peace Corps volunteers around to turn every one into little Americas, then when they've got the windowdressing in place, we disappear with whatever valuable things they had.
We are the problem. We put up with the Congressmen, the lawyers, the Bushes and Clintons and Kerrys and on and on, because we like selling each other the idea of selling.
This whole thread is just like it is on the streets. Everbody beefing, nobody willing to get to work and do the one thing they personally could do to change the world today. And we wake up and it's the same world tomorrow.
If you guys can handle calculus, can you handle the calculus of making the world a better place one person at a time? Quit beefing.
If you don't like who's in power, don't vote for the scum the opposition offers, get out and get good people into office. Then get them back out when their terms end, so they don't end up corrupt like the bunch we have now.
And quit trying to protect your stupid standard of living from the illusion that the poor people who live in other countries are all after your job.
So, all I have to do to go faster than light is imagine myself in the past.
Here's what I think they're doing.
After a couple of stations scrape up enough money for hiring lawyers, MS lawyers meet with the stations's lawyers, and the MS sends in the sales crew:
And, yes, it's a small fee. Doing it for free now will hopefully put up a smoke screen when Apple or someone complains that they are effectively service dumping. Then MS owns the music 'net, in spite of Apple being first in.
Nevertheless, if you have as strong (anecdotal?) reason as you say for wanting to try Debian, I'd agree with the guys who think you should talk your company into letting you build a few prototype systems before they throw all their eggs in one basket.
I'd also agree with the guys who say to talk with your IBM people, too.
Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm being too agreeable.
Well, an iSubNoteBook would be nice. Wouldn't ask for much power, really, just the equivalent of my old 300MHz clamshell, but with a firewire port, too. Maybe a holographic keyboard. Being able to use it as a cell phone would be a nice plus. It would be nice if it fit in my shirtpocket instead of just being a thinner, lighter 'book.
Linux or a BSD on something not power hungry (ARM?) would be nice, if it fit in my shirtpocket, could be used as a phone and gave me access to vi and gcc. (What, somebody already has that?)
But the thing I want most is to be able to type productively on the train standing up.
But only if you live forever.
I never could quite figure that out.
Get ready!
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I also tend to lean towards wondering why anyone would bother using WMC in a project where the targets are all Mac OS X, and (it sounds like there are good odds that) the boxes used for producing, editing, and broadcasting will also be Mac OS X.
I mean, my impression is that unless a tech guy (used to MSWindows style apps) is going to be running the show, it'd be better to avoid the platform jumping issues.
Even if the guy in charge is a tech guy, what could be the advantage of adding the platform jump? Anything you need for the project that runs on MSWindows is there for the Mac.