Ah, yes, I just got off the phone with my grandmother who's never used computers before last week, she went to copile her optimized version:)
And even the pre-optimized ones aren't the greatest for end users, as they've just been told to get Firefox and not trust executable downloads, now they're being told to download these EXE's off some third party site? If Mozilla were to support pre-built optimized versions, then yeah, they'd be great, but until then it shouldn't be used for benchmarks or anything.
Tell me how many end users care whether it's part of the OS, or it's some software BUNDLED with the OS. Please, tell me. Seriously, cut the technical crap. Any end users of Linux have to face the security flaws whether or not they're part of the OS. It's irrelavent. You're just trying to make an excuse.
Everyone makes fun of Microsoft for not having quality control, yet Linux bundles these horribly insecure packages (and then, of course, says "It's not Linux's fault"). Ridiculous.
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Hey look, w3schools teaches it for free too! And look, they're linking to another Sitepoint book...
What does Opera actually offer over Firefox? Somehow it doesn't make sense to look at ads (text or graphical) unless there's something phenominal about Opera (which I wasn't aware there was, I have tried it). I use the AdBlock extension in Firefox, so I see absolutely no ads ANYWHERE anymore... Opera would just show me more than already's out there.
And then "thinking" about it means it's flawless? No. Even if they thought of it (yes, I definitely think it crossed their minds, I'm not just a Microsoft basher in general), I'm just saying that it's a pretty big issue should a vulnerability come out, and that it's a pretty different way of doing it.
Definitely. I can't think of how many exploits I've seen allowing execution of code in local zone. It's ridiculous. The zone idea should get merit points for the GENERAL concept. The idea of being able to add "Trusted" sites is ideal. But not in an implantation that by default has the Trusted sites wide open.
I had a friend (real tech guy, too, which blew my mind apart), who turned JS off. Why? CNet or someone warned people to. That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen... killing functionality for security, when most of the JS vulnerabilities coincide with stupidity/carelessness (phishing is all the JS exploits do, really). On top of that, he had the "Trusted" and "Local" zone having EVERYTHING on. I showed him a handful of Secunia links to vulnerabilities that let people execute in the local zone, he didn't care. He said it was flawless security that way. I wanted to punch him in the face. (But I just linked him to Firefox instead.)
Somehow a webbased scanner sounds too easy to exploit. Ie. infinite loop bye bye CPU. Oh well. They'll just have to update the tool to kill itself in certain conditions or something.
"But nothing will compete in the long run with server side technologies. It doesn't matter which one as they all do essentially the same job. But there is a huge learning curve that many people do not want to try to overcome. (I can remeber telling my PHB that he could use Dreamweaver like Word, I spent a lot of time cleaning up after him though)"
Yeah, but that's because server side technologies have many other capabilities other than just templating. It really isn't an apples to apples comparison.
I use Thunderbird (1.0), and it's got my profile in C:\Documents and Settings\Nathan Wong\Application Data\Thunderbird. Likewise, Firefox is in C:\Documents and Settings\Nathan Wong\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox and Sunbird in C:\Documents and Settings\Nathan Wong\Application Data\Mozilla\Sunbird.
I sure would like to know why Thunderbird isn't in the Mozilla directory, but who knows. All I know is that if there was another user on this computer, they wouldn't be able to see my files. Not entirely sure.
Dude, what're you talking about? XUL has issues too. XUL can spoof any site, and spoof SSL certificates. On top of that, XUL can be launched automatically, without any confirmation. You click a reletively-normal link, looks like a PHP file, and it takes you to a PayPal spoof where you're to login to see $500 in your account. Bam, there goes your password!
At least ActiveX has a yes/no check.
(Proud Firefox user here)
...and after getting used to the change in UI...
It's funny you should bring that up. If YOU have to get used to the UI, do you really think end users will? End users don't even fully understand how MS Office works, but they know where things are, and what things look like. UI is everything, and very few open source projects realize this.
Not trying to just flamebait here, but have you ever used Windows Server 2003 remotely? If you can tell me that Shell is easier than RDP, then I'll be amazed. (For the record, my server's Linux, not Windows... but I've managed Windows servers, and they're definitely easier to handle.)
We all know Google is king, don't we? Who's gonna beat them, MSN?
When you think about it, anything Google does is going to be amazing, even if it's been done before.
I see a vision... it's the year 2008... and AOL's bankrupt! Yay!
Seriously though, how does AOL expect to compete? They definitely don't have the WOW that Google has, and they don't have the marketing that Micrsoft has. What do they have? I'm more than happy to hear your opinion, 'cause I sure as hell don't know.
Yeah, but 1 person uses 1 account, 1 person doesn't use 6 aggrevators - and if they do, they've got some serious multitasking going on (or all of the aggrevators suck, and they can only handle 1 feed each).
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Ah, yes, I just got off the phone with my grandmother who's never used computers before last week, she went to copile her optimized version :)
And even the pre-optimized ones aren't the greatest for end users, as they've just been told to get Firefox and not trust executable downloads, now they're being told to download these EXE's off some third party site? If Mozilla were to support pre-built optimized versions, then yeah, they'd be great, but until then it shouldn't be used for benchmarks or anything.
Tell me how many end users care whether it's part of the OS, or it's some software BUNDLED with the OS. Please, tell me. Seriously, cut the technical crap. Any end users of Linux have to face the security flaws whether or not they're part of the OS. It's irrelavent. You're just trying to make an excuse.
Everyone makes fun of Microsoft for not having quality control, yet Linux bundles these horribly insecure packages (and then, of course, says "It's not Linux's fault"). Ridiculous.
Hey look, w3schools teaches it for free too! And look, they're linking to another Sitepoint book...
What does Opera actually offer over Firefox? Somehow it doesn't make sense to look at ads (text or graphical) unless there's something phenominal about Opera (which I wasn't aware there was, I have tried it). I use the AdBlock extension in Firefox, so I see absolutely no ads ANYWHERE anymore... Opera would just show me more than already's out there.
Where did you actually see it? Screenshots aren't that great without a URL, and even with it's kind of iffy.
I wouldn't want the temptations of eating it, despite the disclaimer telling me otherwise. Oh wait, mints are even tastier than an iPod...
And then "thinking" about it means it's flawless? No. Even if they thought of it (yes, I definitely think it crossed their minds, I'm not just a Microsoft basher in general), I'm just saying that it's a pretty big issue should a vulnerability come out, and that it's a pretty different way of doing it.
Definitely. I can't think of how many exploits I've seen allowing execution of code in local zone. It's ridiculous. The zone idea should get merit points for the GENERAL concept. The idea of being able to add "Trusted" sites is ideal. But not in an implantation that by default has the Trusted sites wide open.
I had a friend (real tech guy, too, which blew my mind apart), who turned JS off. Why? CNet or someone warned people to. That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen... killing functionality for security, when most of the JS vulnerabilities coincide with stupidity/carelessness (phishing is all the JS exploits do, really). On top of that, he had the "Trusted" and "Local" zone having EVERYTHING on. I showed him a handful of Secunia links to vulnerabilities that let people execute in the local zone, he didn't care. He said it was flawless security that way. I wanted to punch him in the face. (But I just linked him to Firefox instead.)
Somehow a webbased scanner sounds too easy to exploit. Ie. infinite loop bye bye CPU. Oh well. They'll just have to update the tool to kill itself in certain conditions or something.
Yeah, but why don't they have that page locked? It doesn't really make sense to let anyone add a link...
"But nothing will compete in the long run with server side technologies. It doesn't matter which one as they all do essentially the same job. But there is a huge learning curve that many people do not want to try to overcome. (I can remeber telling my PHB that he could use Dreamweaver like Word, I spent a lot of time cleaning up after him though)"
Yeah, but that's because server side technologies have many other capabilities other than just templating. It really isn't an apples to apples comparison.
It's up to +5 now, in case you didn't notice.
I use Thunderbird (1.0), and it's got my profile in C:\Documents and Settings\Nathan Wong\Application Data\Thunderbird. Likewise, Firefox is in C:\Documents and Settings\Nathan Wong\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox and Sunbird in C:\Documents and Settings\Nathan Wong\Application Data\Mozilla\Sunbird.
I sure would like to know why Thunderbird isn't in the Mozilla directory, but who knows. All I know is that if there was another user on this computer, they wouldn't be able to see my files. Not entirely sure.
I use the telephone for long distance...
Is there a satisfaction guarantee with the virus?
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Wasn't there a Welcha worm that cleaned up Blaster, and once the path was clear, it just gave you another virus?
Dude, what're you talking about? XUL has issues too. XUL can spoof any site, and spoof SSL certificates. On top of that, XUL can be launched automatically, without any confirmation. You click a reletively-normal link, looks like a PHP file, and it takes you to a PayPal spoof where you're to login to see $500 in your account. Bam, there goes your password! At least ActiveX has a yes/no check. (Proud Firefox user here)
Wow, never thought of it that way. It reminds me of the Canadian Military now that you mention it!
...and after getting used to the change in UI... It's funny you should bring that up. If YOU have to get used to the UI, do you really think end users will? End users don't even fully understand how MS Office works, but they know where things are, and what things look like. UI is everything, and very few open source projects realize this.
Not trying to just flamebait here, but have you ever used Windows Server 2003 remotely? If you can tell me that Shell is easier than RDP, then I'll be amazed. (For the record, my server's Linux, not Windows... but I've managed Windows servers, and they're definitely easier to handle.)
We all know Google is king, don't we? Who's gonna beat them, MSN? When you think about it, anything Google does is going to be amazing, even if it's been done before.
I see a vision... it's the year 2008... and AOL's bankrupt! Yay! Seriously though, how does AOL expect to compete? They definitely don't have the WOW that Google has, and they don't have the marketing that Micrsoft has. What do they have? I'm more than happy to hear your opinion, 'cause I sure as hell don't know.
Who's up for some Google bombing?
Yeah, unfortunately, if you type "http" into Google (or your Firefox address bar) you get sent to Microsoft.
I don't know ANYONE who uses a pda... personally I don't think they're all that useful.
Yeah, but 1 person uses 1 account, 1 person doesn't use 6 aggrevators - and if they do, they've got some serious multitasking going on (or all of the aggrevators suck, and they can only handle 1 feed each).
It seems like they're tons out there, why do people keep making more?