bsd init may have advantages. But symlinks are awesome. and it's not hell. it's makes alot of sense when yuo get used to it.
at least from a user->computer interface perspective, SYSV is more consistent than BSDinit, which only cares to init the system, fuck all that happens afterwards.
People have been throwing around "linux on the desktop is dead" for a while now, since eazel's demise, and dell's withdrawl from that market, etc etc.
The real story is that The Desktop is Dead. Not just the linux desktop, but all desktops -- as a source of driving revenue in the IT sector. WIth the advent of $400 pc's, the desktop just isn't what it used to be. Microsoft's tax as a percentage of PC revenue has skyrocketed -- an unstable trend if I've ever seen one.
Joe user may be buying desktops in 5 years, but if they cost less than $300, chances are it wont have windows, and chances are it wont have intel or IBM. The desktop just wont be a lucrative revenue source in the years to come. Lets face it and move on. Microsoft is trying to ensare the internet in.NET. IBM is trying add the linux sail to its huge sea ship. And HP/Compaq are so lost they have crossed eachother's event horison with mutual destruction almost assured!.
OSX (as in the graphical styling) is based on MacOS/NeXT GUI. It sits on top of Darwin which could was itself based on BSD. Alot of good osx is doing for the bsd community anyway.. heh heh. Gee we get a binary only graphical shell for a heavily (even absurdly?) modified, proprietary BSD derivative! CHEER!.....
Am I the only one who doesn't understand this kind of cheer leading?
Could someone tell me what this has to do with BSD?
Oroborus was actually started as a replacement for sawfish, with linux as the primary target. BSD, Darwin, etc, can all run Oroborus easily though.
The OroborOSX theme/style for Oroborus runs on Oroborus. It runs on BSD yes, but it also runs on everything oroborus runs on.
BSD isn't dead, but it sure as hell doesn't need our charity. It does what it does - well. And that's all anyone could hope to have said about himself.
Drinking urin is a 1,000,000 times better than eating shit. You were honest but disguised it in a pile of mess. NT = shit. Unix = urin. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Sometimes when a dude eats out his girlfriend he gets a drop or two of urin in his mouth. This isn't so bad. But if he were giving a RIM JOB, and he got a big chunk of DOODIE in his mouth, I think he'd be heading to the toilet to throw up. That is NT. A big chunk of turd on your toungue that makes you want to vomit or commit suicide.
Speaking of AA's VM, does anyone actually know how it works?
Yeah, from personal experience, it works faster, more simply, and with cleaner code. It's way more stable and will leave to 2.5 Rik's new philosophy (where it belongs), that he inherited from Matt Dillon. Read the comments in the VM code in 2.4.11pre6. Andrea has been commenting away.
I think what I said was common sense enough that the onus is on you to show evidence of the opposite. What you asked is like asking someone to prove the great wall of china exists and isn't staged. I mean sure, I could run off a bunch of shit, link you to some photos, but that wouldn't sway ignorant disbeleivers. So put out. why ISNT it just win2kpro with extra software added on, and some features enabled in the kernel/os that are unavailable in win2kpro?
Win2k advanced server is the same as Win2k professional with about 8 registry changes and access to some services. Oh, and a different splash screen. Your argument isn't very well grounded.
Then visit the Microsoft web site, you troll. Microsoft is having NO trouble advocating what tenuous "performance advantages" it has. Slashdot is for nerds, not tools.
It's only a wasted instruction if you have no idea how compilers work. Any normal compiler will optimize away that instruction even when no optimizations are specified!
You are an idiot, and idiots are mostly wrong. All of the functionality you mentioned uses windows pipes in an abstracted way. So you suggest using them (win32 specific apis) when in fact they will be worse. Completion ports a red herring. Linux has these too, and they are not a 1:1 correlation with pipes functionality. Apples and Oranges indeed.
In the workplace that's exactly what you want. A turn key workstation where the worker is preoccupied with what needs to be done, not with the latest gadgets microsoft has crammed down the throats of unsuspecting buyers of "New and improved" operating system software.
Desktop is exactly that. That which sits on your desk and helps you get your work done. I think the burlington computers fit this description exactly.
No. It's not that we want free candy, it's that we want GOOD CANDY. THAT THAT FUCKING MOLLASSES AND FAKE CARAMEL WITH SHITTY PEANUTS THAT PASSES FOR A SNICKERS BAR. I want quality ingredients, good chocolate, good peanuts. Good nougut..
Same way I dont want fucking BRITNEY SPEARS OR N'SYNC. I WANT FUCKING QUALITY. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
I DONT WANT CORN SYRUP IN MY VENDING MACHINE DRINK. I HATE CORN SYRUP. GODDAMNIT, GIVE ME SOME FUCKING CANE SUGAR WITH REAL FRUIT JUICES THAT TASTES GOOD. I"LL FUCKING PAY 50% MORE..
But oh that's right, Nabisco, Coca Cola and Snickers and Pepsi have a monopoly on vending machine distribution. Fuck em. In my mind they are worse than the RIAA. Food is the most enjoyable thing in life. We should eat corresponding to our standards of living. And that means good vending machines goodamnit!.
No. It's simply microsoft's evil that is doing it. They have patented relatively obvious ways of doing business online. And they want them to become official "standards", not microsoft "standards".
This is why Microsoft is evil. Not becsause it's developers are evil. They are probably very nice and hard-working and creative. It's the abominable corperate abuse that makes them so repellant to any moral, computer-using human. Those of you that use and like microsoft products should stand up to this. Maybe through piracy, and other forms of civil disobedience. And if you can find and use alternatives such as linux or bsd or whatever, then that would obviously be better.
And this one is probably stretching it a bit for you folks, but try to use mozilla and not IE. There needs to be a long term viable option to IE. I use mozilla and it does everything I need from a web browser, but IE obviously does more.
Linux is very plug n go. It's almost trivial for an admin to replicate a desktop across hundreds or thousands of computers. Or to create two to five master installations and replicate those to the various desktops of different levels of workers.
Alot of people consider WP office to be on the same level as MS office.
Market penetration is irrelevant to a smart CIO who's given the proper autonomy by the CEO and the board of directors. There may be a problem here, but I think "survival of the fittest" will weed out the businesses that dont practice this as it relates to information technology. Maybe These businesses will survive when IBM holds their hand down linux road. IBM or SAP or one of the other strong linux proponents. To most CIO's, IBM's voice is a stronger one than Microsoft's.
In other words, your attitude is the past. The wave of the future ignores the hangups of the past.
Linux will not be ready for the population at large until OEM's start installing it on home computers (prevented by microsoft oem contracts) and these same OEM's QA it and make sure it's easy to do the basic Office, Email, Web, File storage that they currently find easy on windows. These functions are obviously simplistic for me and other computer experts.
Start with the long threads where Andrea Archangeli, Linus Torvalds, Rik Van Riel, Marcello Tossatti, and Daniel phillips are going back and forth. Yes, it is a major VM change, and for the better. Rik's vm that started in 2.3.99 is not showing signs of getting better, so they are scrapping most of the experimental stuff and going for a solid design from andrea (the guy who finally got 2.2's vm stable under heavy load).
C# is just silliness. It takes about 3 seconds to compile a simple app on a Pentium 4 2 giga hurts. Puh lease. C# gives me what? Some future great architecture to hang my hat on? It's marketing. Microsoft doesn't want to lose *ANY* YES ANY(!) market share to java, linux, WHATEVER.
THEY ARE FIERCE COMPETITORS
THey dont give up shit. THey DESTROY the competition. FEAR them. Hehhe. Anyway. Yes I am drunk. fuck, it's friday night. Fuckl aphganistan. ! Yeah well, I dunno. They are so impoverished.
(the real goal should be to end amreican - israeli hatred, which starts by letting palestinians back to their vanquished homes. Yes, their anger is real. How ould you feel if some russian jew who's family has been in europe for more than 4 centuries has more of a claim to your PARENTS homeland than you? you would be fucking ravenously pissed. Youd want revenge. we have to face this shit. Americans haven't. I am not educated enough on middle east to know if israeli's havent. Israelies want homeland where they are clear majority in light of holocaust and other catastrophes, but palestinians were vanquished from their homeland! There has to be a right of return. This it the key to everything. Let some palestinians back to their homeland. It' fair and just.)
Lol. And why do you think anyone on slashdot should care? Mmmm Beta software doesn't work for person X. Maybe I shouldn't try it. Yeah! Great, thanks for passing on the gewd wh0rd (goat speak - yes, I am durnk)!
Ximian isn't interested in staking new ground. THey want a sure thing. THey are a company in need of money. They want C# because they think it will be a new revenue source in which they can make a name for themselves.
Java is full of weenies mark(et)ing their territory already. No room for ximian. Poor ximian, so badly in need of revenue. what for-ever shall they do? C# Ah yes. Ride on teh back of microsoft. maybe they are wiser than me, for I would be too scared. (offtopic, OSU was kicking tonight! I am so druNK! Fsxk me! hahahha ahahhahah. It aint the 4th biggest party school in the US for nothing!)
Im sure microsoft would love us to stop working on office clones. Linux, coupled with star office, koffice, or whatever, might be the only force capable of dethroning microsoft on the desktop.
It's true our clones will never be as full featured as Word, or as monolithic as office, but that defecit is easy to overcome when you add "FREE" into the mix.
And this little peice is even more BULLSH*T because what the hell does this guy presume? That we are all working to make linux the #1 OS, to make it a Super UNIX? People hack on shit that they want to. Including free word processors and office components. I think it's pretty arrogant to presume you know what's best for people's volunteer time. Keep up the good work office hackers. This kind of shit is pretty worthless.
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SYS V RULES!
/etc/init.d/smb [start|stop|restart|etc..]
one of those for EVERY service!!! THAT IS ELITE..
bsd init may have advantages. But symlinks are awesome. and it's not hell. it's makes alot of sense when yuo get used to it.
at least from a user->computer interface perspective, SYSV is more consistent than BSDinit, which only cares to init the system, fuck all that happens afterwards.
People have been throwing around "linux on the desktop is dead" for a while now, since eazel's demise, and dell's withdrawl from that market, etc etc.
.NET. IBM is trying add the linux sail to its huge sea ship. And HP/Compaq are so lost they have crossed eachother's event horison with mutual destruction almost assured!.
The real story is that The Desktop is Dead. Not just the linux desktop, but all desktops -- as a source of driving revenue in the IT sector. WIth the advent of $400 pc's, the desktop just isn't what it used to be. Microsoft's tax as a percentage of PC revenue has skyrocketed -- an unstable trend if I've ever seen one.
Joe user may be buying desktops in 5 years, but if they cost less than $300, chances are it wont have windows, and chances are it wont have intel or IBM. The desktop just wont be a lucrative revenue source in the years to come. Lets face it and move on. Microsoft is trying to ensare the internet in
OSX (as in the graphical styling) is based on MacOS/NeXT GUI. It sits on top of Darwin which could was itself based on BSD. Alot of good osx is doing for the bsd community anyway.. heh heh. Gee we get a binary only graphical shell for a heavily (even absurdly?) modified, proprietary BSD derivative! CHEER!.....
Am I the only one who doesn't understand this kind of cheer leading?
Could someone tell me what this has to do with BSD?
Oroborus was actually started as a replacement for sawfish, with linux as the primary target. BSD, Darwin, etc, can all run Oroborus easily though.
The OroborOSX theme/style for Oroborus runs on Oroborus. It runs on BSD yes, but it also runs on everything oroborus runs on.
BSD isn't dead, but it sure as hell doesn't need our charity. It does what it does - well. And that's all anyone could hope to have said about himself.
What's wrong with being a nancyboy? are you homophobic?
sigh...
WinXP is "more" 200 than ME?
Excuse me, but WinXP is to Win2k as Win98-se is to Win98.
So much so, that I'm very inclined to call winXP "Windows 2000 Fischer Price edition". It would be truth in advertising, after all.
Drinking urin is a 1,000,000 times better than eating shit. You were honest but disguised it in a pile of mess. NT = shit. Unix = urin. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Sometimes when a dude eats out his girlfriend he gets a drop or two of urin in his mouth. This isn't so bad. But if he were giving a RIM JOB, and he got a big chunk of DOODIE in his mouth, I think he'd be heading to the toilet to throw up. That is NT. A big chunk of turd on your toungue that makes you want to vomit or commit suicide.
Speaking of AA's VM, does anyone actually know how it works?
Yeah, from personal experience, it works faster, more simply, and with cleaner code. It's way more stable and will leave to 2.5 Rik's new philosophy (where it belongs), that he inherited from Matt Dillon. Read the comments in the VM code in 2.4.11pre6. Andrea has been commenting away.
You mean you dont use custom hdparm settings?
(bet you didn't know about `/etc/init.d/hdparm save`... chuckle)
SysV rules.
I think what I said was common sense enough that the onus is on you to show evidence of the opposite. What you asked is like asking someone to prove the great wall of china exists and isn't staged. I mean sure, I could run off a bunch of shit, link you to some photos, but that wouldn't sway ignorant disbeleivers. So put out. why ISNT it just win2kpro with extra software added on, and some features enabled in the kernel/os that are unavailable in win2kpro?
Win2k advanced server is the same as Win2k professional with about 8 registry changes and access to some services. Oh, and a different splash screen. Your argument isn't very well grounded.
Then visit the Microsoft web site, you troll. Microsoft is having NO trouble advocating what tenuous "performance advantages" it has. Slashdot is for nerds, not tools.
It's only a wasted instruction if you have no idea how compilers work. Any normal compiler will optimize away that instruction even when no optimizations are specified!
You are an idiot, and idiots are mostly wrong. All of the functionality you mentioned uses windows pipes in an abstracted way. So you suggest using them (win32 specific apis) when in fact they will be worse. Completion ports a red herring. Linux has these too, and they are not a 1:1 correlation with pipes functionality. Apples and Oranges indeed.
Why to Linux-types always think I have my software configured wrong? First of all, Mandrake automatically optimizes the hard drive at bootup.
1) You have you no idea what you're talking about.
2) You run mandrake and think that it is doing the appropriate thing with your computer.
In the workplace that's exactly what you want. A turn key workstation where the worker is preoccupied with what needs to be done, not with the latest gadgets microsoft has crammed down the throats of unsuspecting buyers of "New and improved" operating system software.
Desktop is exactly that. That which sits on your desk and helps you get your work done. I think the burlington computers fit this description exactly.
No. It's not that we want free candy, it's that we want GOOD CANDY. THAT THAT FUCKING MOLLASSES AND FAKE CARAMEL WITH SHITTY PEANUTS THAT PASSES FOR A SNICKERS BAR. I want quality ingredients, good chocolate, good peanuts. Good nougut..
Same way I dont want fucking BRITNEY SPEARS OR N'SYNC. I WANT FUCKING QUALITY. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
I DONT WANT CORN SYRUP IN MY VENDING MACHINE DRINK. I HATE CORN SYRUP. GODDAMNIT, GIVE ME SOME FUCKING CANE SUGAR WITH REAL FRUIT JUICES THAT TASTES GOOD. I"LL FUCKING PAY 50% MORE..
But oh that's right, Nabisco, Coca Cola and Snickers and Pepsi have a monopoly on vending machine distribution. Fuck em. In my mind they are worse than the RIAA. Food is the most enjoyable thing in life. We should eat corresponding to our standards of living. And that means good vending machines goodamnit!.
Yes I am insane. F- you.
No. It's simply microsoft's evil that is doing it. They have patented relatively obvious ways of doing business online. And they want them to become official "standards", not microsoft "standards".
This is why Microsoft is evil. Not becsause it's developers are evil. They are probably very nice and hard-working and creative. It's the abominable corperate abuse that makes them so repellant to any moral, computer-using human. Those of you that use and like microsoft products should stand up to this. Maybe through piracy, and other forms of civil disobedience. And if you can find and use alternatives such as linux or bsd or whatever, then that would obviously be better.
And this one is probably stretching it a bit for you folks, but try to use mozilla and not IE. There needs to be a long term viable option to IE. I use mozilla and it does everything I need from a web browser, but IE obviously does more.
Linux is very plug n go. It's almost trivial for an admin to replicate a desktop across hundreds or thousands of computers. Or to create two to five master installations and replicate those to the various desktops of different levels of workers.
Alot of people consider WP office to be on the same level as MS office.
Market penetration is irrelevant to a smart CIO who's given the proper autonomy by the CEO and the board of directors. There may be a problem here, but I think "survival of the fittest" will weed out the businesses that dont practice this as it relates to information technology. Maybe These businesses will survive when IBM holds their hand down linux road. IBM or SAP or one of the other strong linux proponents. To most CIO's, IBM's voice is a stronger one than Microsoft's.
In other words, your attitude is the past. The wave of the future ignores the hangups of the past.
Linux will not be ready for the population at large until OEM's start installing it on home computers (prevented by microsoft oem contracts) and these same OEM's QA it and make sure it's easy to do the basic Office, Email, Web, File storage that they currently find easy on windows. These functions are obviously simplistic for me and other computer experts.
Well, yeah, I read that. But what does it mean?
l /
Read the fucking mailing list. God you slashdot jockeys are pitiful. Here's the mailing list url:
http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kerne
Start with the long threads where Andrea Archangeli, Linus Torvalds, Rik Van Riel, Marcello Tossatti, and Daniel phillips are going back and forth. Yes, it is a major VM change, and for the better. Rik's vm that started in 2.3.99 is not showing signs of getting better, so they are scrapping most of the experimental stuff and going for a solid design from andrea (the guy who finally got 2.2's vm stable under heavy load).
C# is just silliness. It takes about 3 seconds to compile a simple app on a Pentium 4 2 giga hurts. Puh lease. C# gives me what? Some future great architecture to hang my hat on? It's marketing. Microsoft doesn't want to lose *ANY* YES ANY(!) market share to java, linux, WHATEVER.
THEY ARE FIERCE COMPETITORS
THey dont give up shit. THey DESTROY the competition. FEAR them. Hehhe. Anyway. Yes I am drunk. fuck, it's friday night. Fuckl aphganistan. ! Yeah well, I dunno. They are so impoverished.
(the real goal should be to end amreican - israeli hatred, which starts by letting palestinians back to their vanquished homes. Yes, their anger is real. How ould you feel if some russian jew who's family has been in europe for more than 4 centuries has more of a claim to your PARENTS homeland than you? you would be fucking ravenously pissed. Youd want revenge. we have to face this shit. Americans haven't. I am not educated enough on middle east to know if israeli's havent. Israelies want homeland where they are clear majority in light of holocaust and other catastrophes, but palestinians were vanquished from their homeland! There has to be a right of return. This it the key to everything. Let some palestinians back to their homeland. It' fair and just.)
Lol. And why do you think anyone on slashdot should care? Mmmm Beta software doesn't work for person X. Maybe I shouldn't try it. Yeah! Great, thanks for passing on the gewd wh0rd (goat speak - yes, I am durnk)!
Ximian isn't interested in staking new ground. THey want a sure thing. THey are a company in need of money. They want C# because they think it will be a new revenue source in which they can make a name for themselves.
Java is full of weenies mark(et)ing their territory already. No room for ximian. Poor ximian, so badly in need of revenue. what for-ever shall they do? C# Ah yes. Ride on teh back of microsoft. maybe they are wiser than me, for I would be too scared. (offtopic, OSU was kicking tonight! I am so druNK! Fsxk me! hahahha ahahhahah. It aint the 4th biggest party school in the US for nothing!)
Well, Kword is pretty simple, as is abiword. It would be nice to pull out the Editor component from the GUI. It's probably hard wired right now.
Im sure microsoft would love us to stop working on office clones. Linux, coupled with star office, koffice, or whatever, might be the only force capable of dethroning microsoft on the desktop.
It's true our clones will never be as full featured as Word, or as monolithic as office, but that defecit is easy to overcome when you add "FREE" into the mix.
And this little peice is even more BULLSH*T because what the hell does this guy presume? That we are all working to make linux the #1 OS, to make it a Super UNIX? People hack on shit that they want to. Including free word processors and office components. I think it's pretty arrogant to presume you know what's best for people's volunteer time. Keep up the good work office hackers. This kind of shit is pretty worthless.