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Two-Thirds of Consumers Don't Expect Google To Track Them the Way It Does (niemanlab.org)

A significant majority of consumers do not expect Google to track their activities across their lives, their locations, on other sites, and on other platforms. Jason Kint, writing for Nieman Lab: Our findings show that many of Google's data practices deviate from consumer expectations. The results of the study are consistent with our Facebook study: People don't want surveillance advertising. A majority of consumers indicated they don't expect to be tracked across Google's services, let alone be tracked across the web in order to make ads more targeted. Nearly two out of three consumers don't expect Google to track them across non-Google apps, offline activities from data brokers, or via their location history.

There was only one question where a small majority of respondents felt that Google was acting according to their expectations. That was about Google merging data from search queries with other data it collects on its own services. They also don't expect Google to connect the data back to the user's personal account, but only by a small majority. Google began doing both of these in 2016 after previously promising it wouldn't.

185 comments

  1. in 2016 after previously promising it wouldn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was that around the time they removed "do no evil" from their company motto by any chance?
    I'm guessing this was a form of warrant canary.

    1. Re:in 2016 after previously promising it wouldn't by yuriklastalov · · Score: 2

      Imagine thinking that a company motto meant jack shit in terms of actual corporate behavior. Congratulations, you fell for corporate PR mumbo jumbo.

  2. Same consumers purchased Google Home by OffTheLip · · Score: 1

    or Amazon Echo/Dot/whatever. In other words they don't understand the EULA or business model.

  3. Expect vs. Care by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure few people expect what Google actually does, as it would require technical understanding to realize what is possible and what is probable...

    But here's the truly important thing - how many people truly CARE what Google or Facebook is doing?

    People say they don't want to be tracked across Google, but then they keep on using it. People say they don't want Facebook tracking, but they keep on using it as well. They are saying "I would like everything this does today but disable the tracking". That's nice and all but by continuing to use those services even when they know what is going on, they are indicating they really don't care that much at all and are willing to make the tradeoff of privacy for service.

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    1. Re:Expect vs. Care by flippy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Excellent question. I believe the answer is that almost NO ONE cares what the companies are doing. If they cared, they'd stop using the services.

    2. Re:Expect vs. Care by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      It's much like elections. MOST PEOPLE do care. They just don't perceive any realistic option to avoid the tyranny.

    3. Re:Expect vs. Care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      There are some of us that don't use the services, but we're quickly being lumped in with the tin-foil hat crowd because if we're not using the services we must be paranoid nutters or we have something we know we want to hide. It's unfortunate that those seem to be the only two possibilities for most people. The fact is, I've learned not to trust big business with any other aspect of my life, so I'm certainly not going to trust my digital presence in the hands of someone like Facebook or Google. They're one-up on the traditional business model where it's simply about profit above all else. These digital monsters are all about siphoning you for data AND maximizing profit, and they don't even pretend to give a fuck it's an even more morally bankrupt concept that simply trying to find a way to maximize profits.

      And those of us that see it and try to circumvent it are seen as the outliers, the weirdos, the nut jobs.

    4. Re:Expect vs. Care by flippy · · Score: 0

      I hear ya. I think it's difficult to make someone understand an explanation other than "paranoid nutters" or "you have something to hide". I myself don't think that way, but it's been increasingly difficult over the last few years to make people understand that maybe I just don't want these companies to have so much information about me.

    5. Re:Expect vs. Care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like what Google is doing. Just other day, I received a message on Google Hangout that my father had a heart attack and he is in ICU. When I opened my GMail, I saw 5 ads of funeral services. In the evening, some evangelical folks visited my house. Next day, I got adds from Estate lawyers. It is so convenient.

    6. Re:Expect vs. Care by flippy · · Score: 1

      I'd tend to disagree. There are realistic options, but they take more effort to use - the Facebooks and Googles of the world are so much easier, many people make the decision to use them even though they know they're giving up some information. I think that most people who make that decision have no idea exactly HOW MUCH information they're giving up. If they really knew the amount and kind of data these companies had on them, they'd be shocked.

    7. Re:Expect vs. Care by Pitawg · · Score: 1

      It is UNLIKE elections. Someone other than you turns against your privacy by sharing their contact list with your details. Then that same person takes pictures of you, and the things you do, writing names and descriptions with the pics. They talk or text about you.

      You find this out, or just realize what others are doing to you on your own if lucky, and you decide whether it is worth your time and effort to keep other things to yourself instead of spreading to your devices. Most think the effort is too much, or it is just too late to decide differently.

      Now, when it happened to me? I told "them", they do not respect me nor my privacy, and will be without me for the remainder. The only thing that changed was the count of people that I could even attempt to call friends went down. That was the goal. You cannot team up against the ruling class if you hate everyone around you, and cannot trust them as far as you can throw them. See something, say something, type something into your phones. Just not to people anymore.

    8. Re:Expect vs. Care by tsqr · · Score: 2

      And those of us that see it and try to circumvent it are seen as the outliers, the weirdos, the nut jobs.

      I don't see you as weirdos or nutjobs, but you're definitely outliers.

    9. Re:Expect vs. Care by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      You're right; many don't care, but only because they don't think far enough into the subject of their own privacy, in a long-term way, to really understand what it is that's being done to them.
      For the average person, you have to beat them over the head with the fact that they're being tracked, watched, listened to, and monitored all day every day, before it really starts getting through to them what's being done to them.
      Meanwhile companies like Google and Facebook may be required by law to disclose what information they're collecting and what they're doing with it, but they hide all that in page after page of twenty-dollar legal terminology that nobody ever bothers to read, and since they would just as soon you didn't bother reading it anyway, they make it easy to 'agree' to it all with one simple mouse-click.
      People are being treated like animals in a zoo or convicts in prison so far as their privacy is concerned, and they're not even aware of it -- and if they do manage to be aware of it, again, companies like Google and Facebook and their ilk have gone to great lengths to indoctrinate and brainwash the masses into believing that 'sharing everything freely' is normal and natural and right, and 'privacy' is only something desired by people who have something to hide, like criminals or other 'bad people'.
      Then to make matters worse, the actual criminals, extremists, terrorists, and other wrong-doers of the world have leveraged platforms that Google and Facebook and Twitter and others have created, to spread their misinformation, radicalization, criminal activities and criminal intent, and so on -- which just re-inforces the 'programming' that's been imposed on the populace that 'privacy is BAD'.

      Really, so-called 'social media' should be abolished. Any valid uses for it have gone by the wayside in favor of corporate profits, and has become the weapon-of-choice for malevolent organizations and malevolent governments. But I diverge..

      To bring it back on-topic: EULAs and Legal Privacy Notices should be required to ensure that the people agreeing to them fully understand what it is they're agreeing to -- not just give them an opportunity to rubber-stamp it and have no idea about it.
      How about treating it like the 'training' that some companies require? Where you have to sit through an online training session, then it reviews the highlights of each section, and at the end you have to take a pass/fail quiz to demonstrate you actually undersand the material? It would likely piss some people off, but perhaps if you're not willing to sit there and be informed and understand what your rights are under the law, you shouldn't be using whatever platform it is in the first place?
      Also, of course, put stricter controls on what information social media and other sites are allowed to collect, and what they're allowed to do with them.
      Ideally, I think we'd all be better off either having so-called 'social media' sites require paid membership instead of the 'free' (as in 'lunch', as in 'no such thing as a free lunch') accounts they have now, or at least an option for a paid account, the main point of which is if you choose to pay, then they collect no information from you whatsoever.

    10. Re:Expect vs. Care by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      There has been and always will be an 'option': don't use it at all, be 'actually social' with people instead of 'fake social' on the internet. Email, skype, or (shocking!!!) actually be social in-person with actual people, and the heck with the internet.

    11. Re:Expect vs. Care by DogDude · · Score: 0

      I ask people if they mind, somewhere, some marketing bro could very well be analyzing their choice of tampons and porn, or their physical location for every minute of every day, or even when and how often they poop. Most people, surprisingly, don't care. I have nothing to hide, but I do have a basic sense of dignity, which I think must be lacking from most people today. People literally would rather have their instantaneous entertainment fix than know that their privacy is being preserved. I think it's completely bizarre. I constantly feel like I'm the last human in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

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    12. Re:Expect vs. Care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, there's a reason why no browser will cache javascript (which it could easily do)
      and insists on loading all of the time. Once I understood that's how they're tracking you,
      it all made sense and cookies became irrelevant.

      CAP === 'uplift'

    13. Re:Expect vs. Care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like you just said "it would require technical understanding to realize what is possible and what is probable"
      They do not know, so how can they care?

    14. Re:Expect vs. Care by ChatHuant · · Score: 1

      If they cared, they'd stop using the services.

      That would be fair, if true. You're using the company's resources, you should pay them one way or another - either directly, via some subscription, or through ads.

      The huge problem is that companies like Google and Facebook don't abide by this implicit contract. They have developed so many sneaky ways of tracking you that they don't need you to sign off with them at all. Google grabs your credit card transactions from brick and mortar stores; Facebook plunders friends' contacts and builds shadow profiles for you. They can and do track you even if you don't use any of their resources and they don't care whether you have consented to any tracking or not.

      This unfettered and shameless tracking has IMHO poisoned the internet. The two big data vampires (and a multitude of lesser ones) are so omnipresent and so insidious that it's practically impossible for a normal person to use the internet and retain any shred of privacy anymore. Stopping an Android phone from snitching on you every minute of the day means disabling so many features that it becomes pretty much unusable. Even giving up on Android altogether and buying an iPhone or a plain featurephone is not enough - because Verizon and the other mobile operators will sell you out to Google anyway.

    15. Re:Expect vs. Care by Dirk+Becher · · Score: 1

      You have to endure Google/Facebook tracking without using Google/Facebook at all. I have several webpages I need to use for work who embed Google services (maps) out of convenience.

      And they buy your cellphone location data.

    16. Re:Expect vs. Care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems like a fair assessment...

    17. Re:Expect vs. Care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But here's the scary part. Let's say some of us do care (there are a few of us). Let's say we were even willing to pay google or a competitor to opt out of the tyranny/ tracking/oversight. This would be conceivably easy for google to allow and to create a separate pay-to-play market. I'm sure they have thought of this but it turns out that they make so much money off of their invasive model that it would be too expensive for the vast majority of the concerned minority for us to even choose the pay-to-play version. The WAZE app is an incredible example of this. I would be happy to pay a fee to have the benefits of WAZE without the obxious tracking / adds / junk etc, but they won't even consider it because the advertisement / big data tracking is so damn profitable.

    18. Re:Expect vs. Care by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      I'm sure few people expect what Google actually does, as it would require technical understanding to realize what is possible and what is probable...

      how many people truly CARE what Google or Facebook is doing?

      Interesting you appear to be conceding the fact people don't understand what these services are doing.

      Then you proceed to make the "nobody cares" argument.

      When the actual argument devolves into: How many people truly CARE about something they don't understand and don't know is happening?

      It isn't clear what value if any exists in the resulting answer.

    19. Re:Expect vs. Care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only thing worse to privacy than big business, is big government.

    20. Re:Expect vs. Care by tsa · · Score: 1

      For most people outliers ARE weirdos or nutjobs.

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    21. Re:Expect vs. Care by tsa · · Score: 1

      Also, if your friends are all on Whatsapp, good luck using Viber to contact them. Same holds for FB and all that other stuff.

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    22. Re:Expect vs. Care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've noticed this trend in many areas.

      "We hate this product and all they stand for!"

      As they purchase the product/use the service/see the movie anyway

      Your voice is irrelevant when your actions can't back up your speech.

    23. Re:Expect vs. Care by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      People care, just not enough to stop using the free services that Google provides.

      Most adults have realized that you don't get something for nothing and almost everything is you trading a bit of yourself, your time or your money or your soul, in exchange for something you want.

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    24. Re:Expect vs. Care by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Semiofftopic: I'd actually like if those companies offered the chance of not spying on you and instead pay for their services with money. I doubt they'll ever willingly do it if only because that'd give away how much they can get from your data (obviously less than what you'd pay)

    25. Re:Expect vs. Care by deadwill69 · · Score: 1

      That's nice and all but how? Even if you don't use FB, google, et al, they are still tracking you. They track you by your friends, Your mobile signal through your carrier. Your wifi signal anytime you touch a 'compromised' access point. Almost any website. So how is not using their services going to help? I use all the blockers, vpn's and filters to clear out what I can find. I operate under no illusion that I am being tracked, but how am i supposed to participate in modern society? Unless you go off grid you are being tracked.

    26. Re:Expect vs. Care by Radiophobic · · Score: 1

      People do care. They weigh the benefits of using a service like Google and Facebook, against the cost to privacy that accompanies the use of those sites. People care about privacy, but they also care about getting free email, robust search, and social connections in a way that doesn't confuse them or cost them money.

  4. only two-thirds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i would have expected the number of oblivious and/or ignorant to all the spying and tracking online and/or on 'devices' to be much higher.

  5. Two thirds of consumers are stupid by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have one question for people who think I'm crazy when I say I don't use Google/Android: Where do you think Google makes its money?

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    1. Re:Two thirds of consumers are stupid by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      Where do you think Google makes its money?

      From Uncle Sam and other oppressive governments?

    2. Re:Two thirds of consumers are stupid by DickBreath · · Score: 0

      > Two thirds of consumers are stupid

      No.

      Two thirds DO NOT expect Google to be doing what it is doing. That is simple lack of awareness. Or lack of being well informed. Not paranoid enough. Etc. But not necessarily stupid.

      That means that one third DOES expect Google to be doing what it is doing. Since this is Google users, and they are aware of what Google is doing to them -- that makes THEM the stupid ones.

      So in summary:
      2/3 -- NOT stupid, but perhaps not well informed or not paranoid enough.
      1/3 -- stupid

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    3. Re:Two thirds of consumers are stupid by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      From selling browsers and self driving cars

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    4. Re:Two thirds of consumers are stupid by DogDude · · Score: 1

      That is simple lack of awareness.

      Lack of awareness of what? Of how Google makes money? Is that a complicated idea?

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    5. Re:Two thirds of consumers are stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not awareness, the post above your reply is correct: 2/3 are plain thick.
      Try to have a conversation about it with a thick average person. "I don't have anything to hide." "I don't care." "So what." And you get nowhere through that armour they put up.

    6. Re:Two thirds of consumers are stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That isn't stupidity either, so long as it is a conscious decision being made.

      You could argue it is foolish, but that would be opinion.
      I could choose to give you $20 for nothing in return, and if we both are aware I get nothing in return, that isn't stupid although there are some that would think it is foolish.

      Ironically though about 1/3rd of "consumers" actually are stupid, just not the group you point out.
      Ask anyone who worked customer support for more than a month.

      There are easily that many people who upon buying a "40w lightbulb" and actually getting a 40w lightbulb will bitch and complain that what they ordered can't be eaten.

      These same people will buy (and get) a pack of AA batteries, only to return them giving the reason that their gas powered lawn mower still won't start.

      These are the people that will drive into the auto mechanic on a flat shredded tire and argue for a half hour the only problem they have and want fixed is that the cell phone store next door is closed.

      People not realizing an ad company would care about what ads to show them is mostly baseline expected. Anything more technical than that and I can easily see more than a third of consumers being actually shocked real witchcraft and magic isn't involved.

      Maybe this is primarily a problem in the US specifically, but the conclusions come to by many people are mild mindbogglingly random and nonsensical to the point it can't be anything but stupidity.

    7. Re:Two thirds of consumers are stupid by lexman098 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you're crazy and I can answer your question.

      Google makes its money from anonymously connecting you with advertisers. They create a very detailed profile on you based on their tracking data. Then they sell advertisements, expecting the buyer to provide blanket information for the kind of person that they're targeting. Google probably then adds some of its own AI on top of the advertisers' expectations to create more ad clicks. Then you go to a random webpage which asks Google which ad to show you. The advertiser pays Google who gives a smaller amount to the website operator.

      Note how Google never has to release any of your information to make money here. I don't think I remember a single article about Google even accidentally leaking private information.

    8. Re:Two thirds of consumers are stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a broken education system spitting out simple minded fools that never look beneath the surface of any given situation. It takes a kid having the initiative when young to seek out real information rather than the regurgitated gossip and propaganda they try to shovel you full of in school to break that cycle in any one case. At one time there were a lot of kids, if not the majority, willing to go research things they were interested in on their own. The tech generations though? They're much happier sitting staring at their screens and letting the propaganda wash over them. Critical thought to them is whatever google answers. The thought of looking at historical information is so foreign to them that someone suggesting it is considered an outlier, and possibly someone pushing some really strange foreign agenda.

      And yes, this is definitely a problem in the States. It was starting to get that way as I went through school, and it's definitely getting more that way as time goes on.

      Maybe if we started prioritizing actual education, and teaching critical thought rather than obedience to the corporate masters, we'd start heading the other direction again? Though I fear it may be too late to turn that tide.

    9. Re:Two thirds of consumers are stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What is Neutrophils? What is the closest star to the Sun? What do the SR in SR-flip flop mean and which operation has priority (in logic programming, not electronics)?

      Don't call people stupid just because they do not know something.

    10. Re:Two thirds of consumers are stupid by DickBreath · · Score: 0

      Lack of awareness that Google does more tracking than that 2/3 expect Google to do.

      But 1/3 do expect Google to do that. So if they are users, then the 1/3 is stupid. But the 2/3 are something, but not necessarily stupid -- although stupid could be included in the list.

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    11. Re:Two thirds of consumers are stupid by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      >That isn't stupidity either, so long as it is a conscious decision being made.

      Just because something is a conscious doesn't exclude it from being stupid. See "Jackass The Movie".


      >There are easily that many people who upon buying a "40w lightbulb" and actually
      > getting a 40w lightbulb will bitch and complain that what they ordered can't be eaten.

      I would kindly inform them that they are wrong. Almost anything is edible. At least one time.

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    12. Re:Two thirds of consumers are stupid by fatwilbur · · Score: 1

      I've had my current smartphone (Apple) for nearly 5 years, finally approaching the time when the combination of slowness and years of wear is forcing my hand to get a new one. I so desperately wanted to move away from Apple and try Android. Not only do the phones appear more capable, I disagree with so much that Apple does, and it's also very good to get practical experience in multiple platforms.

      That said, I think I have sadly resigned to having to stick with Apple. As much as it pains me to give Apple another cent of my money, I begrudgingly have to give them credit for being the only company that puts privacy and encryption first.

    13. Re:Two thirds of consumers are stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I don't use Android
      This is like thinking you've gained ground because you don't use Google Fiber.

      iOS/OSX make you about as untrackable as incognito mode.

      Y'know what, sure, your behavior in the insanely analytics-loaded sites and software of today is totally ninja. Well done. You told that app what to do.

      +5, elevator Close Door button

    14. Re:Two thirds of consumers are stupid by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Yep. Many people don't think about how many businesses make their money. If they did they wouldn't be surprised about this.
      Thinking about that was why I was happy when WhatsApp charged an Euro per year for the service because that was a clear business model and it meant they were less likely (you never know) to sell my data. Also why I don't trust Telegram: It's supposedly financed by one of its founders out of the goodness of their heart. Sure...

    15. Re:Two thirds of consumers are stupid by strikethree · · Score: 1

      I don't think I remember a single article about Google even accidentally leaking private information.

      This actually supports your argument, but there is an incident in which information was "leaking" out of Google. Google started using SSL for internal communications because they found that the NSA had internal wiretaps a few years back.

      This actually makes your overall argument stronger, even it takes exception to a single detail because the response Google had reinforces your argument.

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  6. Opaque, Shadowy Practices by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

    The problem is the opaqueness of what Google and other service providers, advertisers and tracking companies do. It's all secretive and so very well hidden from their users/customers/targets.

    This surveillance, monitoring and logging needs to be made readily available to anyone whose interested in knowing, a couple of clicks and it's all laid out to see. Until that happens, you're damn right people aren't going to realise the extent. Why would they? How can they possibly know all the stuff scripts and cookies are doing behind the scenes?

    As for asking questions about how much people really care about this sort of thing, I would say this: how can they know how much to care about it all if they have no idea what it is that's going on and the extent of it all?

    People need to be made aware and become informed, and only then can they decide if they're happy about it all.

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    1. Re:Opaque, Shadowy Practices by iampiti · · Score: 1

      I agree that people should be made aware of what Google does with their data but I believe even in that case, that most people would continue to use Google's services if the alternatives were to stop using those services or pay money

  7. 30% by BringsApples · · Score: 1

    30% of the people that use computers, don't know how to use computers. And 98% of the people that use computers don't know how computers use them.

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  8. APK, you are incredibly dishonest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    BronsCon specifically told you not to use his name or quote to endorse your work any longer. He retracted his endorsement, yet you dishonestly use his old quote as if he still recommends your program. He does not. You are incredibly dishonest to continue parroting his quote as if it still reflects his views on your program.

    You are a spammer. Trusting you to secure a computer is like giving a thief the keys to your front door and trusting the thief not to steal from you. Your dishonesty regarding BronsCon further proves that you cannot be trusted.

    No one should be using your software. Your program cannot be trusted to not contain malicious functionality.

  9. It keeps colecting my voice despite turning it off by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

    I've turned this off twice now and a few weeks ago, it went right back to "sending voice data to google" in a notification.

    And it seems like over time, the voice recognition is getting *worse* not better. I think it's getting too many words and it's making more and more goofy choices of which is the correct word to use.

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  10. First Be Evil by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    How To Serve Man

    (a recipe epub)

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  11. Adsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm extremely surprised Adsense, Adwords and Admob weren't mentioned in the post or any of the comments thus far, since this is literally how they track consumers outside of their own systems!

    Through other Companies and Developers Apps, where we are completely unable to prevent it as developers, because Alphabet owns everything, even our apps.

  12. Re: Registered /.ers reviews #5/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BronsCon does NOT recommend your software.

  13. Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as you don't do or say anything about it, the entire issue will get worse and worse, because Alphabet literally thinks they can do anything they want, regardless of laws, ethics or any morals whatsoever.

    It's an enterprise or more like an empire, Alphabet makes the rules now...

  14. BronsCon does NOT recommend your work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    BronsCon does NOT recommend your software. That is a fact.

  15. I came for the story... by mccrew · · Score: 1

    ...but I stay for the victim blaming.

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  16. Your comments are not welcome here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Leave now.

    1. Re:Your comments are not welcome here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I enjoy seeing APK make fools of you with facts he used to make you EAT YOUR WORDS and RUN YOU DRY of downmodpoints you abuse.

    2. Re: Your comments are not welcome here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's so obvious that they have administrative privileges on slashdot.
      I wonder why they let them post links to
      Malware on this site

  17. They are stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These days lack of tech literacy IS stupid.
    Lack of media literacy IS stupid.

    We live in a society mediated by media. If you don't have a solid meta-understanding of our environment then you're cattle.

  18. LOL! EAT YOUR WORDS stupid... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes (their senior in malware detection iirc) says he recommends my work @ forum.hosts-file.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4290

    * You have to LOGIN to his forums to see it but he did, INDEED, say he RECOMMENDS my work (above all others).

    APK

    P.S.=> LOL - you LOSE loser (as always, vs. FACT I use vs. your bullshit/lies/libel etc.)... apk

  19. Re: Fact is what I quoted from BronsCon stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That quote is three years old. It's 2019. BronsCon doesn't recommend your spftware. Lies of omission are still lies. Stop lying.

  20. Fact is what I quoted from BronsCon stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263) - ANYONE can check that in his post history by date/time & see what I quote IS fact!

    See subject & EAT YOUR WORDS dimwit!

    APK

    P.S.=> Nothing like FACT to BLOW YOUR do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" ass AWAY, lol... apk

  21. Re: Fact is what I quoted from BronsCon stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    apk meltdown detected

    instigate phase 2

  22. APK lies again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lies of omission are still lies. That's a 2016 quote. It's 2019. BronsCon no longer recommends your software.

    1. Re:APK lies again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like quoted fact to me https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

    2. Re: APK lies again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and now that my perspective has changed I see that it is the work of an abject madman. Or do you not change your opinions as new facts arise?

      -- BronsCon
      June 26, 2018

  23. Re: Fact is what I quoted from BronsCon stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BronsCon said APK's work is good, no denying it. Nobody says that about anything a troll loser like you does. You don't do anything good.

  24. APK is a danger to himself and others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You proved that you're a danger to yourself and others at http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=13721074&cid=58401078 when you directed an implied violent threat at Cederic for no reason at all. You have serious mental health problems and should be institutionalized before you're able to carry out your threats. You pretending to be someone other than APK further demonstrates how mentally ill you truly are. Seek professional help. Your behavior is indefensible.

    NOTHING you have linked to justifies your threats toward Cederic. Not one damn thing.

  25. Security pros etc. QUOTED on hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "classic Windows hosts trick to block the Coinhive or Crypto-Loot domains" - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/a-new-player-joins-coinhive-on-the-browser-cryptojacking-scene/ - BLEEPING COMPUTER

    ZD NET http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-use-a-hosts-file-to-improve-your-internet-experience/ "Hosts files really shine by letting you block ads, spyware sites, malware sites, & tracking sites"

    SANS ("A related approach to the DNS issue is to create a hosts file on each system that sends requests for spyware to some place else" hosts by myself & RAMU right @ START of "malware explosion" mid 2005 on) https://isc.sans.edu/forums/di...

    Aryeh Goretsky/ESET/NOD32: hosts = good security https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7442373&amp.cid=49747129/

    Oliver Day (SYMANTEC/SECURITYFOCUS) http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/491/

    Spybot S&D uses hosts...

    APK

    P.S.=> Malwarebytes' hpHosts hosts & RECOMMENDS my program forum.hosts-file.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4290

  26. STOP SPAMMING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    STOP SPAMMING

  27. Still important what they think by ron_ivi · · Score: 2
    Since privacy laws are mostly based on a "Reasonable Expectation Of Privacy" - it's very important what those users think.

    .

    If they "don't understand the EULA or business model" --- that fact extremely important to protecting the irRight to Privacy. If they did understand the EULAs, or think that Google does track them, it would literally take away such rights.

    TL/DR: NOT reading EULAs is important for preserving your rights.

  28. Of course not. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    They expect Google to track them the way Facebook does. :-)

    --
    It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
  29. "Sensitive Cedric" assburger retard can't read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No violence to fatboy https://slashdot.org/comments.... defective retard https://slashdot.org/comments.... Cederic.

    FACT: EVERYONE KNOWS "your kind" (defective deranged retards) CAN'T INTERPRET THINGS CORRECTLY!

    * I merely asked him to meet me IN PERSON so we can discuss it...

    SEE SUBJECT & LEARN TO READ retard ASSBURGER, lol! I will NEVER "apologize" to a DISGUSTING fatbody "ne'er-do-well" RETARDED mentally DEFECTIVE deficient WHIMP like "Cederic" (he is his OWN demise, after all, lol).

    APK

    P.S.=> Sensitive little FATBOY RETARD, lol (truth/fact from his own fakename mouth)... apk

  30. Re: Security pros etc. QUOTED on hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Other security professionals said your work is complete shit. Why don't you quote them, too?

  31. Oh come on, is it that hard to notice? by foxalopex · · Score: 2

    It's not too hard to figure out what google is tracking even if you aren't an expert. When your phone asks you to give reviews of places you've visited, it's pretty obvious that google is picking up your GPS locations and trying to find your opinion on places that you've visited. Or if you look up some item on Amazon and it follows you around page after page. (A sign that google sort of knows where you're going via Chrome...). In theory Google only uses it to analyse trends, not you as an individual but with any large corporation that has that much personal data, there's a risk of slipping.

  32. "Expect" matters more legally than "care" by ron_ivi · · Score: 1

    Most privacy laws are based around a "Reasonable Expectation of Privacy". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... It doesn't matter if people care. It matters if they expect privacy.

  33. Re: "Sensitive Cedric" assburger retard can't read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing you quoted justifies your behavior. Why are you so obsessed with Cederic's weight, stalker?

  34. Registered /.ers reviews #2/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk has the answer for that - really... kill automatic updates by adding a hosts file entry setting updates.steam.com or whatever to 127.0.0.1. You have to find the right hostname for each software you want to block updates on by raymorris (2726007) on Friday July 06, 2018

    APK your posts on this and the hosts file posts, and more, have never been in error and/or bad advice by BlueStrat (756137) on Wednesday June 21, 2017

    I support APK's stand on the hosts file and can't see why it's not used more than it is. My hosts file is 144247 lines long (4,332 Kb) it & a firewall serves me very well - by Trax3001BBS (2368736)

    ABP is insufficient as a solid hosts file does everything APK reminds us about fast turtle September 17 2013

    You need APK's hosts file - by Teun (17872) on Wednesday August 06, 2014

    * For the Win32/64 model

    APK

    P.S.=> Linux model's faster/more efficient + BETTER merge feature - More coming... apk

  35. Registered /.ers reviews #3/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience in this context. Of course, your phone has to be rooted, which isn't the case with Firefox + adblock." - by chihowa on Saturday May 16, 2015

    APK solution STILL relevant Thud457 June 11 2015

    In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable - by vel-ex-tech (4337079) on Tuesday November 24, 2015

    APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good at the moment - by Culture20 on Thursday November 17

    you're right about hosts files - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26

    APK, I know people give you a lot of shit regarding hosts, but please don't ever stop - by nasredin (958927) on Friday June 12, 2015 @03:34PM

    * For the Win32/64 model

    APK

    P.S.=> Linux model's faster/more efficient + BETTER merge feature - More coming... apk

  36. Registered /.ers reviews #4/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works. - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015

    get around to 'installing' a hosts file list, not sure which one, likely the one from someonewhocares.org. If it works as well as what I used for a while about ten years ago, I'll be happy. And grateful to APK for the lesson and the reminder. - by kermidge (2221646) on Wednesday March 27

    I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster. - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17

    dammit MS, you proved APK right about something by lgw

    * For the Win32/64 model

    APK

    P.S.=> Linux model's faster/more efficient + BETTER merge feature - More coming... apk

  37. Registered /.ers reviews #5/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (APK) is still right a hosts file really does work. It even blocked a some of the video ads that were inserted into a stream OrangeTide February 10 2016

    the Host File Engine performs exactly as promised - by mmell (832646) on Thursday February 16, 2017

    I do use APK's host file on all my systems at home by OrangeTide December 01 2017

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    (Toss on 100,000++ users worldwide too!)

    * For the Win32/64 model

    APK

    P.S.=> Linux model's faster/more efficient + BETTER merge feature... apk

  38. Yea? I'd BLOW THEIR DUMBASSES AWAY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Bring 'em on - watch me do it w/ EASE as I do all you "unidentifiable anonymous wannabe security pros", lol...

    * They want to risk their rep vs. me? I don't think so. They know I'll dust 'em!

    APK

    P.S.=> After all - I've been doing THAT to MORONS like you for a DECADE++ too, lmao... apk

  39. PLAYING "VICTIM" FATBOY RETARD? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PLAYING "VICTIM" FATBOY RETARD? LMAO - you do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" - when YOU do better work https://slashdot.org/comments.... ? THEN TALK!

    * Until then? KEEP EATING YOUR BRAIN DAMAGED assburgers https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... & YOUR WORDS weezil https://slashdot.org/comments.... for YOUR "malnutrition" WEIGHT GAIN, lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> Why are YOU SO OBSESSED w/ STALKING ME by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous? apk

  40. 100% of users of my program don't worry... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Via APK Hosts File Engine 2.0++ 64-bit for Linux/BSD h t t p : / / a p k . i t - m a t e . c o . u k / A P K H o s t s F i l e E n g i n e F o r L i n u x . z i p

    Yields more security/speed/reliability/anonymity vs. any 1 solution (99% of threats use hostnames vs. IP address most firewalls use) more efficiently/FASTER/NATIVELY 4 less.

    Vs. "Bolt on 'MoAr' illogic-logic" slowing u hosts speed u up 2 ways: Adblocks + Hardcode fav. sites u spend most time @ vs. competition w/ security bugs (DNS/AntiVir) + overheads slowing u (messagepass 'souled-out' to advertisers easily detected & blocked addons + firewall filtering drivers) & their complexity leads to exploit.

    * Don't worry about JEWgle's BS - this stops it!

    APK

    P.S.=> Protects vs. scripts/trackers (kernelmode faster vs. usermode slower NoScript vs. 3rd party script)/ads/DNS request tracking + redirect poisoned or downed DNS/botnets/malware download/malcript/email malpayload

  41. They know sometimes by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    They do not know, so how can they care?

    Mostly they do not know, but from time to time stores like this come along in the mainstream that explain things to people, then lots do know - but it doesn't seem to change usage much.

    Hell, I do know and it doesn't affect my use much at all, except that I shy away from Google a little more than I would if they were not as sketchy in behavior. But I still have my email through them, and use them for search a lot because I need a search engine that returns good results which in repeated attempts to switch away I've simply not found a decent replacement for.

    So if even I who do know at a deeper level than most people keep using Google and Facebook, you can understand where a lot of people even knowing more, would still not stop them from using these services because they offer a lot of value to a lot of people.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  42. Re: Fact is what I quoted from BronsCon stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    apk is a raging lunatic who sucks trucker cock

  43. APK is a danger to himself and others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You proved that you're a danger to yourself and others at http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=13721074&cid=58401078 when you directed an implied violent threat at Cederic for no reason at all. You have serious mental health problems and should be institutionalized before you're able to carry out your threats. You pretending to be someone other than APK further demonstrates how mentally ill you truly are. Seek professional help. Your behavior is indefensible.

    NOTHING you have linked to justifies your threats toward Cederic. Not one damn thing.

    Seek professional help.

  44. Re: Fact is what I quoted from BronsCon stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BronsCon said APK's work rocks though quoted fact and you are raging hahahaha https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

  45. "Sensitive Cedric" assburger retard can't read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No violence to fatboy https://slashdot.org/comments.... defective retard https://slashdot.org/comments.... Cederic.

    FACT: EVERYONE KNOWS "your kind" (defective deranged retards) CAN'T INTERPRET THINGS CORRECTLY!

    * I merely asked him to meet me IN PERSON so we can discuss it...

    SEE SUBJECT & LEARN TO READ retard ASSBURGER, lol! I will NEVER "apologize" to a DISGUSTING fatbody "ne'er-do-well" RETARDED mentally DEFECTIVE deficient WHIMP like "Cederic" (he is his OWN demise, after all, lol).

    APK

    P.S.=> Sensitive little FATBOY RETARD, lol (truth/fact from his own fakename mouth)... apk

  46. Security pros etc. QUOTED on hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "classic Windows hosts trick to block the Coinhive or Crypto-Loot domains" - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/a-new-player-joins-coinhive-on-the-browser-cryptojacking-scene/ - BLEEPING COMPUTER

    ZD NET http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-use-a-hosts-file-to-improve-your-internet-experience/ "Hosts files really shine by letting you block ads, spyware sites, malware sites, & tracking sites"

    SANS ("A related approach to the DNS issue is to create a hosts file on each system that sends requests for spyware to some place else" hosts by myself & RAMU right @ START of "malware explosion" mid 2005 on) https://isc.sans.edu/forums/di...

    Aryeh Goretsky/ESET/NOD32: hosts = good security https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7442373&amp.cid=49747129/

    Oliver Day (SYMANTEC/SECURITYFOCUS) http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/491/

    Spybot S&D uses hosts!

    APK

    P.S.=> Malwarebytes' hpHosts hosts & RECOMMENDS my program forum.hosts-file.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4290

  47. Even CHINA copied me (vs. DNS down/redirected) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who did it 1st: China or me? I did - dates are my proof https://theregister.co.uk/2017... w/ the FACT China rampantly STEALS U.S. Intellectual properties & military secrets https://www.theregister.co.uk/...

    * IMITATION truly IS the SINCEREST FORM of FLATTERY!!!

    (... & proves hosts work vs. DNS faults in tracking you via dns request logs (since you avoid it & resolve FASTER locally using hosts) + DNS being downed OR Kaminsky REDIRECT security flaw misdirected poisoned (or vs. DNSChanger))

    US DHS issues DNS redirect is HUGE danger (not w/ hosts vs.) https://threatpost.com/gov-war... & ICANN ISSUES SAME WARNING https://tech.slashdot.org/stor...

    APK

    P.S.=> Folks, It's NOT EASY being "World-Class" like me (lol - 200,000++ users prove it for me) - enjoy the fruits of my labors for FREE + going FASTER/SAFER/MORE RELIABLY online (w/ a bit more anonymity too via my program)... apk

  48. Registered /.ers reviews #1/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your software is just fine - well written, functional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine by mmell February 17, 2017

    Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is quite valid - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant August 10 2015

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg September 25 2015

    I like your host file system by Karmashock September 09 2015

    that APK guy, I use his host file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015

    My HOSTS files are pretty large. Helps me avoid all sorts of trash and malware. - by Cutterman (789191) on Sunday January 20, 2019 @03:20PM (#5799265)

    * For the Win32/64 model...

    APK

    P.S.=> Linux model's faster/more efficient/better MERGE feature too - More coming... apk

  49. BronsCon comments on APK's work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never said I liked it, I said the work was good. If I liked it, I would use it, and I don't (and if I did, I would admit as much; I'm not one to bit off my nose to spite my face). You should know from the rest of that conversation that I would never use software written by someone as toxic and vile as you. It may be clean and safe today, but there's no reason to believe it will remain that way, particularly when you seem to have personal vendettas against so many people, myself included, and it would be trivial to throw some nastiness in that only triggers when the software detects that it is running on a system used by one of those people (for example, by looking for browser cookies of Slashdot logins for your targeted individuals).

    You see, we're not all as stupid as you think us. If we were, we'd make easy targets for exploit by your wares.

    Also, it seems that much has changed in the quality of your software in the past two years and several months. You see, there appears to be a glaring bug in your Slashdot spamming script that is causing it to double-post, though the grammar modification algorithm appears to be working (despite being obvious).

    Please cease using my moniker at least until that has been fixed. Preferably, cease using it at all, especially while you're bitching about a company using your initials, when you know damn well the Android Package isn't named after you and more than the NSA is named after Norman Stanley Alexander.

    -- BronsCon
    June 25, 2018

  50. Registered /.ers reviews #2/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk has the answer for that - really... kill automatic updates by adding a hosts file entry setting updates.steam.com or whatever to 127.0.0.1. You have to find the right hostname for each software you want to block updates on by raymorris (2726007) on Friday July 06, 2018

    APK your posts on this and the hosts file posts, and more, have never been in error and/or bad advice by BlueStrat (756137) on Wednesday June 21, 2017

    I support APK's stand on the hosts file and can't see why it's not used more than it is. My hosts file is 144247 lines long (4,332 Kb) it & a firewall serves me very well - by Trax3001BBS (2368736)

    ABP is insufficient as a solid hosts file does everything APK reminds us about fast turtle September 17 2013

    You need APK's hosts file - by Teun (17872) on Wednesday August 06, 2014

    * For the Win32/64 model...

    APK

    P.S.=> Linux model's faster/more efficient + BETTER merge feature - More coming... apk

  51. Registered /.ers reviews #3/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience in this context. Of course, your phone has to be rooted, which isn't the case with Firefox + adblock." - by chihowa on Saturday May 16, 2015

    APK solution STILL relevant Thud457 June 11 2015

    In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable - by vel-ex-tech (4337079) on Tuesday November 24, 2015

    APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good at the moment - by Culture20 on Thursday November 17

    you're right about hosts files - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26

    APK, I know people give you a lot of shit regarding hosts, but please don't ever stop - by nasredin (958927) on Friday June 12, 2015 @03:34PM

    * For the Win32/64 model...

    APK

    P.S.=> Linux model's faster/more efficient + BETTER merge feature - More coming... apk

  52. Registered /.ers reviews #4/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works. - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015

    get around to 'installing' a hosts file list, not sure which one, likely the one from someonewhocares.org. If it works as well as what I used for a while about ten years ago, I'll be happy. And grateful to APK for the lesson and the reminder. - by kermidge (2221646) on Wednesday March 27

    I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster. - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17

    dammit MS, you proved APK right about something by lgw

    * For the Win32/64 model...

    APK

    P.S.=> Linux model's faster/more efficient + BETTER merge feature - More coming... apk

  53. More comments from BronsCon about APK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you not see irony in the fact that you've become what you hate? You're no different than the in-your-face, cram-their-shit-down-people's-throats, difficult-to-avoid, and hostile marketers that you so despise (and have accused my of being one of in the past). You literally get in people's faces, cram your shit down out throats, persist when people tell you they're not interested, and approach us all in the most hostile way possible; and it doesn't matter what your reason is, nor whether the reason is legitimate or simply perceived, what matters is the very behaviors you are exhibiting are the very behaviors those of us who block ads with to avoid.

    So, why would we use a piece of software written by an advertiser to block ads?

    The simple answer is that those of us who are sane would not. And we will not. That bridge burned the moment you started spamming and the crossing was dug wider when you started attacking people who pointed it out.

    What makes me sad about this is that, one day, you'll stop. And when you do, we won't have a way to know whether it was because you finally sought treatment, were committed, killed yourself, were killed, or if you finally realized the irony in your actions.

    At this point, the only way I would say your software was worth a damn is if it were also miraculously able to block your posts here on Slashdot. If that happened, honestly, that would make it the best fucking piece of software ever written. Of course, the advertiser only ever wants to block everyone else's ads, and never their own.

    -- BronsCon
    June 25, 2018

  54. Registered /.ers reviews #5/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (APK) is still right a hosts file really does work. It even blocked a some of the video ads that were inserted into a stream OrangeTide February 10 2016

    the Host File Engine performs exactly as promised - by mmell (832646) on Thursday February 16, 2017

    I do use APK's host file on all my systems at home by OrangeTide December 01 2017

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    (Toss on 100,000++ users worldwide too!)

    * For Win32/64 model!

    APK

    P.S.=> Linux model's faster/more efficient + BETTER merge feature... apk

  55. Google lied about size of Pentagon AI contract, t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google misled the public about the size of the companyâ(TM)s contract to develop AI for the Pentagon, and its executives chose against publicizing its participation in the project, leaked emails obtained by The Intercept show.

    Diane Greene, the chief executive of the companyâ(TM)s cloud business unit, recently told employees that revenue from Project Maven â" a Pentagon program under development which aims to use artificial intelligence to help drones identify human ground targets without the assistance of human operators â" was âoeonlyâ for $9 million. But internal company emails from September 2017 obtained by The Intercept suggest otherwise.

    READ MORE: 'Not in the business of war': Google employees urge company to abandon Pentagon AI project

    One message, said to be from Aileen Black, a member of Googleâ(TM)s defense sales team, noted that the deal would rake in $15 million over the next 18 months. The email also said that the budget for the program was expected to eventually expand to $250 million. Blackâ(TM)s assessment appears to have merit: According to The Intercept, one month after news of the contract broke, the Pentagon allocated an additional $100 million to Project Maven.

    The emails also show that Google executives were deeply concerned about a potential public backlash if the companyâ(TM)s participation in the Pentagon program became widely known.

            Cofounder Sergey Brin wants Google to be a military contractor. Says it will be better *for peace* if Google does this military work rather than traditional military contractors.

            Google builds weapons for the Pentagon for peace. Got it? Ha-ha.
            â" Yasha Levine (@yashalevine) May 30, 2018

    âoeI donâ(TM)t know what would happen if the media starts picking up a theme that Google is secretly building AI weapons or AI technologies to enable weapons for the defense industry,â Dr. Fei-Fei Li, the head scientist at Google Cloud, wrote in one of the leaked emails. âoeThis is red meat to the media to find all ways to damage Google. You probably heard Elon Musk and his comment about AI causing WW3.â

    Google apparently had no concrete plan for dealing with media coverage surrounding the controversial contract, the email chain suggests. Instead, the company was seemingly hoping that the deal, which was not directly with Google, would remain hidden from the public.

  56. Re: Registered /.ers reviews #5/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Updated BronsCon quote:

    Yes, and now that my perspective has changed I see that it is the work of an abject madman. Or do you not change your opinions as new facts arise?

    -- BronsCon
    June 26, 2018

  57. BronsCon says MY WORK is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    FACT:

    BronsCon says MY WORK is good (& of course, it is)!

    QUESTION - Does he say the SAME of YOUR non-existent NOTThereWare?

    LOL - no.

    * When a DOUCHE do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" ZERO like you does better than I have? THEN, talk.

    APK

    P.S.=> Because until THEN, Jealous "Lil' Jowie"? You prove my points for me, lol - thanks... apk

    1. Re: BronsCon says MY WORK is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does he say it's the work of an abject madman?

    2. Re: BronsCon says MY WORK is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Please cease using my moniker at least until that has been fixed. Preferably, cease using it at all"

      -- BronsCon
      June 25, 2018

  58. BronsCon says MY WORK is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    FACT:

    BronsCon says MY WORK is good (& of course, it is).

    QUESTION - Does he say the SAME of YOUR non-existent NOTThereWare?

    LOL - no.

    * When a DOUCHE do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" ZERO like you does better than I have? THEN, talk.

    APK

    P.S.=> Because until THEN, Jealous "Lil' Jowie"? You prove my points for me, lol - thanks... apk

  59. Alternatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Question:
    What other alternatives, simple free or non-free solutions out there would you recommend? Email (gmail) for example is not exactly easy to run and maintain by having your own mail server.

    When you use something such as Protonmail, it's still hosted by a 3rd party that you need to trust to use.

    Even if you're using an alternative 3rd party mail service, if you're using an Android device to check your mail, Google would still have access to all your mail.

  60. Re: APK is a danger to himself and others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard that APK is one of the past editors here that slipped a backdoor into the code of the website.
    The present editors know exactly who it is but for some reason allow him to post links to warez and stink up this cesspool

  61. LOL - no way... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: YOU said it & that's that -> I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    * :)

    APK

    P.S.=> Just to SPITE you fuckhead 2 faced little FUCK do-NOTHING loser, lol... apk

  62. Surveillance Fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why you cannot call it surveillance "capitalism".

    This is fraudulent activity; they are misrepresenting their interaction with you; they are appropriating your resources in a way that is not aligned with your voluntary agreement, which means they are stealing from you, which means they have no respect for property rights, which means they have no respect for your ownership of capital, which means they are anti-capitalism.

  63. The truth hurts, doesn't it, APK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [APK Hosts File Engine] is the work of an abject madman.

    -- BronsCon
    June 26, 2018

  64. BronsCon says MY WORK's good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BronsCon says MY WORK's good! QUESTION - Does he say the SAME of YOUR non-existent NOTThereWare? No!

    * RoTfLmAo @ U Jealous "Lil' Jowie" the UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous DO-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" UNSKILLED & UNEDUCATED douchebag YOU are... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> Answer my question above so I can LAUGH @ U MORE & let others join me in doing so @ YOUR expense, lol - about ALL you are good for is LMAO @ U... apk

  65. I know they do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's why I do as much as I can to block any online advertising. I don't want to see things I've already seen, I want to see new and different--meaning non-targeted, completely random advertising that, at worst, is related to whatever is on the site I'm reading.

  66. Insanely GREAT (per Steve Jobs)...apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & BronsCon FACT: I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    QUESTION - Does he say the SAME of YOUR non-existent NOTThereWare? No!

    * RoTfLmAo @ U Jealous "Lil' Jowie" the UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous DO-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" UNSKILLED & UNEDUCATED douchebag YOU are... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> Answer my question above so I can LAUGH @ U MORE & let others join me in doing so @ YOUR expense, lol - about ALL you are good for is LMAO @ U... apk

  67. Run, Forrest, Run! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's funny how you keep changing the subject to me, rather than addressing BronsCon's comments about you and your software. Are you afraid to face the truth that he neither uses nor recommends your work?

  68. QUESTION - answer it "Forrest" (lol)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BronsCon quoted says MY WORK's good! QUESTION - Does he say the SAME of YOUR non-existent NOTThereWare? No!

    * RoTfLmAo @ U Jealous "Lil' Jowie" the UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous DO-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" UNSKILLED & UNEDUCATED douchebag YOU are... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> Answer my question above so I can LAUGH @ U MORE & let others join me in doing so @ YOUR expense, lol - about ALL you are good for is LMAO @ U... apk

    1. Re: QUESTION - answer it "Forrest" (lol)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlike you, I don't dishonestly quote BronsCon and keep pretending he endorses me or my work.

    2. Re: QUESTION - answer it "Forrest" (lol)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You talk about integrity, Alexander, but then you masquerade behind the Anonymous Coward moniker and pretend to be other people, using a network of "bridges" (not that you know what those even are or you'd know, simply, that the term you are looking for is "proxy") to evade an ever-growing collection of IP bans in order to post your messages. Yeah, that's integrity, and just the kind of ethics I like to see displayed by the people whose software I allow to run on my system. Yup.

      No, wait, actually, it's unethical, disingenuous, and toxic behavior. Alexander, just leave it alone, lest I start campaigning for your Hosts File Engine on your behalf, pointing would-be users of your software to threads like this where you show your true colors. And there won't be a thing you can do about it because, legally, facts are fair game, and the written record of your words here is a matter of fact.

      I'll advise you once more to just leave it alone. Here we are, both acting like 5 year olds, the difference is I'm admitting it; I'm openly admitting that I'm not letting this go until you do, simply because it is for your own good. Seriously. This is for you, not me; it is only with people like you that I get like this, and people like you aren't the type of people I'd ever have as clients, so I'm not concerned with my reputation here, but you should certainly be concerned for yours.

      -- BronsCon
      February 11, 2016

    3. Re: QUESTION - answer it "Forrest" (lol)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your application could be the best thing ever written but you are still toxic which, by association, makes your application toxic. Period. I hope Whipslash deals with you as he's promised, and soon.

      -- BronsCon
      February 10, 2016

  69. I wouldn't mind ad tracking if it were good by StevenMaurer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, I get it. Googlers got to eat too. And I use enough of their services that having them keep track of every time I use their service to tailor ads to me is a fair enough tradeoff. I'm not buying poodle-porn and doggie sex toys anyway. I don't even know if that exists (though maybe I'm about to find out.)

    But Jesus Christ (no, google, I'm not interested in finding a church), they really need to adjust their machine learning algorithms (please, no keyword matches for that either). I go buy a vacuum cleaner from Amazon, and for months afterwards I'm getting ads for the same model that I already bought!

    I mean seriously. If you go google for wedding cake (no, please no marriage ads - that will look pretty strange next to the doggie sex toy ads), what happens? You get tons of ads, as if you have to get a bulk discount of wedding cake.

    1. Re:I wouldn't mind ad tracking if it were good by Daralantan · · Score: 1

      But Jesus Christ (no, google, I'm not interested in finding a church), they really need to adjust their machine learning algorithms (please, no keyword matches for that either).

      This just reminds me of a strength and muscle site I follow. One of the main editors was talking about how he looks into meat stuff a lot online. And how one time he looked at a hoody. Now he often has Google advertising a hoody to him that is just completely covered in a design of "raw meat."

    2. Re:I wouldn't mind ad tracking if it were good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you want Google to actually know when you purchase a product?

  70. QUESTION - answer it "Forrest" (lol)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BronsCon quoted says MY WORK's good! QUESTION - Does he say the SAME of YOUR non-existent NOTThereWare? No!

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    * RoTfLmAo @ U Jealous "Lil' Jowie" the UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous DO-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" UNSKILLED & UNEDUCATED douchebag YOU are... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> Answer my question above so I can LAUGH @ U MORE & let others join me in doing so @ YOUR expense, lol - about ALL you are good for is LMAO @ U... apk

  71. QUESTION - answer it "Forrest" (lol)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BronsCon quoted says MY WORK's good! QUESTION - Does he say the SAME of YOUR non-existent NOTThereWare? No!

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    * RoTfLmAo @ U Jealous "Lil' Jowie" the UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous DO-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" UNSKILLED & UNEDUCATED douchebag YOU are!

    APK

    P.S.=> Answer my question above so I can LAUGH @ U MORE & let others join me in doing so @ YOUR expense, lol - about ALL you are good for is LMAO @ U... apk

  72. Don't be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "Don't" burnt out of Google's neon sign that read "Don't be evil" a long long time ago.

  73. Why are u RUNNING from a question Forrest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BronsCon quoted says MY WORK's good! QUESTION - Does he say the SAME of YOUR non-existent NOTThereWare? No!

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    * RoTfLmAo @ U Jealous "Lil' Jowie" the UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous DO-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" UNSKILLED & UNEDUCATED douchebag U are!

    APK

    P.S.=> Answer my question above so I can LAUGH @ U MORE & let others join me in doing so @ YOUR expense, lol - about ALL you are good for is LMAO @ U... apk

  74. Toxic "ne'er-do-well" Forrest runs from a question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BronsCon quoted says MY WORK's good! QUESTION - Does he say the SAME of YOUR non-existent NOTThereWare? No!

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    * RoTfLmAo @ U Jealous "Lil' Jowie" the UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous DO-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" UNSKILLED & UNEDUCATED douchebag U are.

    APK

    P.S.=> Answer my question above so I can LAUGH @ U MORE & let others join me in doing so @ YOUR expense, lol - about ALL you are good for is LMAO @ U... apk

  75. See "forrest RUN" from a question, lol... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BronsCon quoted says MY WORK's good! QUESTION - Does he say the SAME of YOUR non-existent NOTThereWare? No!

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    * RoTfLmAo @ U Jealous "Lil' Jowie" the UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous DO-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" UNSKILLED & UNEDUCATED douchebag U are

    APK

    P.S.=> Answer my question above so I can LAUGH @ U MORE & let others join me in doing so @ YOUR expense, lol - about ALL you are good for is LMAO @ U... apk

  76. Why are you RUNNING from this question? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BronsCon quoted says MY WORK's good! QUESTION - Does he say the SAME of YOUR non-existent NOTThereWare? No!

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    * RoTfLmAo @ U Jealous "Lil' Jowie" the UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous DO-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" UNSKILLED & UNEDUCATED douchebag U are...

    APK

    P.S.=> Answer my question above so I can LAUGH @ U MORE & let others join me in doing so @ YOUR expense, lol - about ALL you are good for is LMAO @ U... apk

  77. Why do you RUN from a question "Forrest"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BronsCon quoted says MY WORK's good! QUESTION - Does he say the SAME of YOUR non-existent NOTThereWare? No!

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    * RoTfLmAo @ U Jealous "Lil' Jowie" the UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous DO-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" UNSKILLED & UNEDUCATED douchebag U!

    APK

    P.S.=> Answer my question above so I can LAUGH @ U MORE & let others join me in doing so @ YOUR expense, lol - about ALL you are good for is LMAO @ U... apk

  78. I'll show you what's entirely possible... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

    * Quote Ted Williams & WHY "We have an obligation to make something BETTER if you KNOW that you can..."

    (Catch it on Netflix, it's inspiring)

    APK

    P.S.=> Can I do that (can you is the REAL question)? See subject & see link above... apk

  79. ANSWER = fucking U over & I stop it... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ANSWER = fucking U over & I stop it https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

    * Quote Ted Williams & WHY "We have an obligation to make something BETTER if you KNOW that you can..."

    (Catch it on Netflix, it's inspiring)

    APK

    P.S.=> Can I do that (can you is the REAL question)? See subject & see link above... apk

  80. The app store is an epic cash cow by Chozabu · · Score: 1

    Google takes 30% of all sales/transactions on the app store

    Sure, that is not their only income - but it is a large enough part it should limit bad behaviour to a degree

  81. Like EARLY VanHalen? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Nobody RULES these streets @ night but ME, the Atomic PunK...

    * See subject...

    (I.M the ruler of these 'netherworlds'...)

    APK

    P.S.=> "Where ever my fearsome name is HEARD" https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... "JUST LOOK AROUND - Oh yea... the APK... apk

  82. Ah, but they are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And they don't seem to care. Until they do, we will be fighting an uphill battle for regulation and reform. Still, fight, we will.

  83. 5++ hrs. later BITCHES? LMAO @ U... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Addendum - C'mon 'security pros' (& I've been @ it longer & BETTER than all y'all) - Where are u? You're not. Netflix "Love, Death & Robots" episode "Shape Shifters" is why (is me vs. you PITIFUL blowhard CUNTS)...

    * When I bite your WEEZIL whimp HEADS off... & all you see is a full moon & hear a cry of "FUCK U!"...

    APK

    P.S.=> You & YOURS I replied to? DISGUSTING "NOT MEN", ugh The SMELL of you, repulsive... apk

  84. What choice do consumers have? by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    It's not like Google was running around in 2005, telling everyone that they planned on tracking everyone and everything, even if you didn't use their products. But now they are a monopoly, and have been some time. And a note for would-be pedants: monopoly doesn't mean you have 100% marketshare. It means you have enough market dominance to harm consumers even if they don't use your products.

    So you want to quit Google, and block all their known domains in your hosts file. Okay, cool - but the next biggest search engine is Bing, and Microsoft also tracks the hell out of users. It's not like consumers are going to develop a Borg hive mind and move to/fund Duck Duck Go or anything.

  85. This doesn't make sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HOW?

    Even after all the recent public shaming of companies digging deep into user information and being careless?

    Is this just willful ignorance? How are people so trusting of corporate giants?

    The most educated, ignorant generation. Highly educated morons.

  86. APK is right, I wish I was him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK is right
    I wish I was him so I can become a professional cum dumpster for truckers and host unlimited dicks.
    He can teach me how to write like a serial killer and how to buy derelict houses in the ghetto for a $1.
    I desperately need to know how to keep from being institutionalized while suffering from several different mental illnesses.
    These are all areas where he is an expert and I want to learn from a true master of these skills.

  87. ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    QUESTION: Prove you have a home FULLY paid off as I do & that you have a good job, etc. ok?

    You never can OR DO when I ask that of you.

    You have neither is why obviously.

    You're a MENTALLY ILL total MISANTHROPE who hates ANYONE THAT DID WELL (as I have) because YOU NEVER WILL & you know it.

    APK

    P.S.=> GROW UP loser who STALKS me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous downmodbombing my posts which I repost to NULLIFY your effete 'wannabe weapon' easily with... apk

    1. Re:ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      QUESTION: Prove you have a home FULLY paid off as I do

      That is why I want to learn how to buy a derelict house in the ghetto for a $1 like you did.

      that you have a good job

      I said I want to be a professional cum dumpster for truckers just like you.

      You're a MENTALLY ILL total MISANTHROP

      This is why I need you to teach me how to avoid being institutionalized since you suffer from tons of mental illnesses as well.

      You are an expert at these skills and I desperately need to learn from a true master.

  88. You have issues - grow up... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have issues - grow up!

    APK

    P.S.=> Get a life & quit STALKING me like the MENTALCASE you're proving yourself to be... apk

    1. Re:You have issues - grow up... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have issues - grow up!

      APK

      P.S.=> Get a life & quit STALKING me like the MENTALCASE you're proving yourself to be... apk

      I'm trying to be just like you and appreciate that you acknowledged that I am becoming more like you all the time.

  89. Re:It keeps colecting my voice despite turning it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are willing to 'sacrifice' voice-to-text options alltogether, you can deny the google app permission to access your microphone at all. That was the only way I could find to completely eliminate the whole creepy 'OK Google' shitfest. I personally don't use any voice-controls anyway, so it wasn't even a brief hesitation...

  90. You WISH you were me... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You WISH you were me is more like it - but YOU & "your kind" (sick in the head weirdo waste of life losers)? Never can be.

    * PERIOD...

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well", nothing more (& I'm the complete opposite of that) so IF you're trying to be ME as you say? You do a POOR JOB of it - but then, I bet you've FAILED @ ANYTHING you've EVER attempted... apk

    1. Re:You WISH you were me... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did say I wish I was you.
      I am doing my best to be just like you but I desperately need you to teach me the skills I listed above that you have so expertly mastered.
      I need to know how to fail at everything just like you.

  91. Re:It keeps colecting my voice despite turning it by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    I have a friend who went to that. But I have carpal tunnel. So it's painful even to swipe text.

    But if you dont'- I recommend it. And using duckduckgo or some other similar browser.

    --
    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  92. Why not be yourself instead &? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not be yourself instead & Make a Wheel https://isc.sans.edu/forums/di... as I did giving users more speed/security/reliability & anonymity NATIVELY doing more for less vs. ANY single 'solution' via the best hosts file multiplatform!

    APK

    P.S.=> APK Hosts File Engine 2.0++ 64-bit for Linux h t t p : / / a p k . i t - m a t e . c o . u k / A P K H o s t s F i l e E n g i n e F o r L i n u x . z i p

    APK Hosts File Engine 10++ SR-1 32/64-bit for Windows https://hosts-file.net/?s=Down...