"Middle America, whether it be middle-aged white-guy IS managers, or just your average consumerist sheep, doesn't have a clue as to what Linux is all about, and really could care less!"
All of middle America? Chicago, Minneapolis, all of middle America? Really, even the Geek Compound?
I guess that being from Washington puts you in a unique position, what with your neck of the woods having gone so fully over to Linux and turning away from M$. Oh, wait, isn't M$ from.....
No, Einstein, they should allow the Triscuits to be compatable with non-Nabisco meats, cheeses, spreads etc. They should also not illegally force all other cracker manufacturers out of business, or only allow the other crackers to be topped by Nabisco products. Pay attention.
......this has got to be a troll. "A small number of astronomers will benefit from this move, at the expense of the rest of the world's population. " OK, people are hungry because radio astronomers are looking in a certain frequency range. Free the spectrum, feed the world. I see the logic now. "'It is a win for science'. This is a very naive attitude. It is a win for astronomy, nothing more." Good one, since astronomy isn't actually a science. Jeez. Could go on, gotta work.
I haven't seen anything from Borland suggesting 100% Windows compatibility, quite the opposite. Where are you seeing this claim, because there is no way in hell that claim will stand up?
Personally, I would have to agree with you in general, however in this case I can't say that I have a problem with Borland creating a compiler (even a proprietary one). They seem to have a good handle on how to do that.
Having a browser bundled with all of the other software that comes with a computer has NOTHING to do with a browser being part of the OS, unless you like the "feature" of having your browser crash your entire system.
To be accurate, "music piracy" as you refer to it, is a sub set of "peer to peer fle sharing," therefore Napster actually IS just "peer to peer file sharing." It is only an avenue for music piracy because you "are man enough to state that" you use it to illegally and knowingly pirate music. Napster didn't do it, you did. You could have just easily shared child porn or nuclear weapon secrets (or the cure to cancer, for that matter).
The point is that Napster is just a medium, and the tactics that are used to go after it scare some folks. So what, right?
OK, Gnutella comes along and fills the void that Napster leaves. What kind of tactics are the RIAA and their minions (Lars) going to use then? Are those tactics going to affect me because some hired gun needs to go thru my system to get to you? Get ready, the next round is going to be interesting.
Man, just when I was starting to think that maybe M$ deserved just a little bit of a break, they go and do this. They are the Borg. How freakin' blinded by their corporate mantra would someone have to be to ask a forum like this to engage in blatant censorship. How repugnant!
For Gods sake, this is the Internet, in America. Perhaps they really think this is just an extension of MSN, in MSAmerica (or MSCountry, marketing hasn't settled on a name for the shipping version yet).
This is just obscene!
Well good job M$, you just created another Anti-M$ zealot, and I will tattoo that on my freakin' forehead. Time to start deleting some FAT32 partitions.
I don't know what actions/. will have to take, but I know M$ will never see another dime of my money, and I will evangelize the evils of that God forsaken company to all who will hear me.
Owners who have used computers for defense: 0 About 100% (+/- 0.0000001%) of computers will not be used to commit violent crime in any given year.
While I agree with your point, I would like to point out that sometimes you just undercut your postion by injecting an arguement into an area where it clearly doesn't belong.
"McGrath responded to this scenario: a student uses a campus Internet connection to decide which political candidates to support. That person is misusing university equipment, she said..... On the other hand, the same student, viewing the same pages for a class assignment, is using the equipment properly, she said."
Oh! OK, now, how do we set up the filtering software for that little scenario? That was real well thought out, a testament to benifits of that great 50's style education she refered to in the article.
I assume that same student would be "misusing univeristy equipment" by reading the newspaper provided at the library and forming a personal political opinion.
This sounds like a disturbing and complete lack of understanding on almost all levels.
...at least I did. I used to work in Holland, (lived in South Haven) and I think I can safely say that I have never seen a community so tightly puckered at both ends as Holland,MI (more so at the Zeeland end). I fled the cold of that area (climatic and social) for Phoenix. The only four things that redeem Holland at all are the beaches, the academic excelence of Hope college, the Industrial Wings at the Prime Time Lounge (over which wings I first learned of Linux), and the work of our friends at the Geek Compound (whom I hope don't get too offended at me dinging their city, but ya gotta' admit...).
I am afraid that a large part of fighting what is going on there will have nothing to do with the danger of porn, (it was pointed out that there doesn't seem to be a problem with that) nor with the danger of censorship. I am afraid that the problem will be a group of people who don't understand what they are doing, rallying around something marketed as "a nobel Christian cause to stop a Bad Thing" (Bad Thing being that nasty internet stuff that can harm our children). Anyone who opposes this nobel cause is then some kind of satanic spawn, and if the godless ACLU (or any "Outsiders") get invlolved, yikes, look out.
My experience with this community is that once the debate becomes the Reformed Church vs. the godless hordes, the original issue gets trampled. Which in this case is too bad, it's an important issue. Looking forward to the ongoing coverage...
Let me start by saying that I have seen an OSHA inpsector walk into an office I worked in and site and fine the employer for not having MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheets) stickers on bottles of White-Out. So, I have kind of a Satan == OSHA opinion. I understand that they have done a lot to help workers, yada-yada-yada, but they have gotten out of friggin' control.
Now, it their opinion that my employer can inspect my home office for workplace safety compliance? Well, lets see, OSHA can freely inpect the office, OSHA thinks that my employer can inspect my home office, it's not too big of a leap to believe that they would feel they (OSHA) have the right to inpsect my home office.
Some OSHA bastard wants to waltz into my house and look around at their convienence, better bring a warrant. And backup.
Just a couple of additional points on this thread.
-You might want to reconsider the engine choice: The Hemi is a great engine for power, but a pain to keep running, while the 440 six-pack has almost as much power with the added advantage of being more reliable and easier to find parts for.
-The weapon in question is, I believe, a three barrel version of the GE M61A2 20 m.m. gattling style cannon (a wonderful weapon FWIW). I think that weapon on a articulated mount comes in around 850 lbs, which will require recalculation of the weight bais ratios listed above. Also, the ammo drum for that weapon is the real weight pig (when fully loaded), depending on how much ammo you want to keep on board. You will want to mount the ammo drum centered on the front to back balance point, so your weight bias doesn't change as you expend rounds. I think we all know how unpleasant it can be to be cornering hard at high speed while firing on a target and suddenly have the driving characteristics of the vehicle change on ya. 'Nuff said.
I couldn't help but notice the same thing. Awful lot of posters feeling sorry for Bill. Gotta think that we are going to see alot more of this. M$ may not come up with much that is original, but you don't have to show them something that works more than tow or three times. We may be experiencing the "/. effect" with M$ extensions.
...then when some nut job goes and blows away a dozen of his classmates or co-workers, there could be legal action that would, 1) identify all of the possible responsible parties, 2) assign a percentage of blame to each party, 3) initiate civil litigation against each. Then we would have more actions where the accused would argue, 1) why they aren't responsible, 2) why the percentage of blame is wrong, 3) counter-sue. Think of the lawyers billable hours on that ( smell that? that's sarcasm). Sorry about the rant, but give me a break. Assigning blame for civil actions really misses the point.
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I did some college, regretting not finishing. Lot of job opportunities that shut you off with out the "piece of paper."
Plus, I missed out on some good parties.
"Middle America, whether it be middle-aged white-guy IS managers, or just your average consumerist sheep, doesn't have a clue as to what Linux is all about, and really could care less!"
All of middle America? Chicago, Minneapolis, all of middle America? Really, even the Geek Compound?
I guess that being from Washington puts you in a unique position, what with your neck of the woods having gone so fully over to Linux and turning away from M$. Oh, wait, isn't M$ from.....
No, Einstein, they should allow the Triscuits to be compatable with non-Nabisco meats, cheeses, spreads etc. They should also not illegally force all other cracker manufacturers out of business, or only allow the other crackers to be topped by Nabisco products. Pay attention.
Damn, now I am hungry.
......this has got to be a troll.
"A small number of astronomers will benefit from this move, at the expense of the rest of the world's population. "
OK, people are hungry because radio astronomers are looking in a certain frequency range. Free the spectrum, feed the world. I see the logic now.
"'It is a win for science'. This is a very naive attitude. It is a win for astronomy, nothing more."
Good one, since astronomy isn't actually a science. Jeez.
Could go on, gotta work.
Well said, man. I found your arguement coherent and compelling, especially the point about... ah... hmmm... what what your point?
I haven't seen anything from Borland suggesting 100% Windows compatibility, quite the opposite. Where are you seeing this claim, because there is no way in hell that claim will stand up?
Personally, I would have to agree with you in general, however in this case I can't say that I have a problem with Borland creating a compiler (even a proprietary one). They seem to have a good handle on how to do that.
...Borland
Having a browser bundled with all of the other software that comes with a computer has NOTHING to do with a browser being part of the OS, unless you like the "feature" of having your browser crash your entire system.
To be accurate, "music piracy" as you refer to it, is a sub set of "peer to peer fle sharing," therefore Napster actually IS just "peer to peer file sharing." It is only an avenue for music piracy because you "are man enough to state that" you use it to illegally and knowingly pirate music. Napster didn't do it, you did. You could have just easily shared child porn or nuclear weapon secrets (or the cure to cancer, for that matter).
The point is that Napster is just a medium, and the tactics that are used to go after it scare some folks. So what, right?
OK, Gnutella comes along and fills the void that Napster leaves. What kind of tactics are the RIAA and their minions (Lars) going to use then? Are those tactics going to affect me because some hired gun needs to go thru my system to get to you? Get ready, the next round is going to be interesting.
Man, just when I was starting to think that maybe M$ deserved just a little bit of a break, they go and do this. They are the Borg. How freakin' blinded by their corporate mantra would someone have to be to ask a forum like this to engage in blatant censorship. How repugnant!
/. will have to take, but I know M$ will never see another dime of my money, and I will evangelize the evils of that God forsaken company to all who will hear me.
For Gods sake, this is the Internet, in America.
Perhaps they really think this is just an extension of MSN, in MSAmerica (or MSCountry, marketing hasn't settled on a name for the shipping version yet).
This is just obscene!
Well good job M$, you just created another Anti-M$ zealot, and I will tattoo that on my freakin' forehead. Time to start deleting some FAT32 partitions.
I don't know what actions
.....really impressed with yourself, apparently. Your not in a position to "allow" posts.
I also thought that this measure would be a slam dunk in the Tulip City.
It is good to see that people can see past the hype and know when they are being played.
Stay vigilant, these special interests will be looking for another demographic to attack, this battle isn't over.
Owners who have used computers for defense: 0
About 100% (+/- 0.0000001%) of computers will not be used to commit violent crime in any given year.
While I agree with your point, I would like to point out that sometimes you just undercut your postion by injecting an arguement into an area where it clearly doesn't belong.
"McGrath responded to this scenario: a student uses a campus Internet connection to decide which political candidates to support. That person is misusing university equipment, she said.....
On the other hand, the same student, viewing the same pages for a class assignment, is using the equipment properly, she said."
Oh! OK, now, how do we set up the filtering software for that little scenario? That was real well thought out, a testament to benifits of that great 50's style education she refered to in the article.
I assume that same student would be "misusing univeristy equipment" by reading the newspaper provided at the library and forming a personal political opinion.
This sounds like a disturbing and complete lack of understanding on almost all levels.
Right over there, did you see him oppressing me?
That mean Jon Katz, going and righting his article and not explicitly including me and my group. What a religous bigot! There can only be one answer:
The Spanish Inquisition!!
Well, I guess my post is exactly what the article was about, but sometimes you just vent a little. Anyway, one more Pythonism and I will be on my way.
Come see the violence inherent in the system! Come see the violence inherent in the system!
....sorry, had to say something.
...at least I did. I used to work in Holland, (lived in South Haven) and I think I can safely say that I have never seen a community so tightly puckered at both ends as Holland,MI (more so at the Zeeland end). I fled the cold of that area (climatic and social) for Phoenix. The only four things that redeem Holland at all are the beaches, the academic excelence of Hope college, the Industrial Wings at the Prime Time Lounge (over which wings I first learned of Linux), and the work of our friends at the Geek Compound (whom I hope don't get too offended at me dinging their city, but ya gotta' admit...).
I am afraid that a large part of fighting what is going on there will have nothing to do with the danger of porn, (it was pointed out that there doesn't seem to be a problem with that) nor with the danger of censorship. I am afraid that the problem will be a group of people who don't understand what they are doing, rallying around something marketed as "a nobel Christian cause to stop a Bad Thing" (Bad Thing being that nasty internet stuff that can harm our children). Anyone who opposes this nobel cause is then some kind of satanic spawn, and if the godless ACLU (or any "Outsiders") get invlolved, yikes, look out.
My experience with this community is that once the debate becomes the Reformed Church vs. the godless hordes, the original issue gets trampled. Which in this case is too bad, it's an important issue.
Looking forward to the ongoing coverage...
Let me start by saying that I have seen an OSHA inpsector walk into an office I worked in and site and fine the employer for not having MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheets) stickers on bottles of White-Out. So, I have kind of a Satan == OSHA opinion. I understand that they have done a lot to help workers, yada-yada-yada, but they have gotten out of friggin' control.
Now, it their opinion that my employer can inspect my home office for workplace safety compliance? Well, lets see, OSHA can freely inpect the office, OSHA thinks that my employer can inspect my home office, it's not too big of a leap to believe that they would feel they (OSHA) have the right to inpsect my home office.
Some OSHA bastard wants to waltz into my house and look around at their convienence, better bring a warrant. And backup.
I am gonna show my ignorance here, but is K&R style C a bad thing? Why? Not OO or what?
I just got the K&R book for Xmas, I thought it was THE C book to have. Please enlighten (but not flame please) a programming newbie.
The six-pack was staged, no synched. And it wasn't overly complicated (for a Mopar).
Well maybe a little.
But I am glad you could get in the spirit of all of this and see that the carb setup was the one shortcoming in the design.
Feel free to unclench at your conveinence
Just a couple of additional points on this thread.
-You might want to reconsider the engine choice: The Hemi is a great engine for power, but a pain to keep running, while the 440 six-pack has almost as much power with the added advantage of being more reliable and easier to find parts for.
-The weapon in question is, I believe, a three barrel version of the GE M61A2 20 m.m. gattling style cannon (a wonderful weapon FWIW). I think that weapon on a articulated mount comes in around 850 lbs, which will require recalculation of the weight bais ratios listed above. Also, the ammo drum for that weapon is the real weight pig (when fully loaded), depending on how much ammo you want to keep on board. You will want to mount the ammo drum centered on the front to back balance point, so your weight bias doesn't change as you expend rounds. I think we all know how unpleasant it can be to be cornering hard at high speed while firing on a target and suddenly have the driving characteristics of the vehicle change on ya. 'Nuff said.
Have a happy new year, see ya on the roads.
I couldn't help but notice the same thing. Awful lot of posters feeling sorry for Bill. Gotta think that we are going to see alot more of this. M$ may not come up with much that is original, but you don't have to show them something that works more than tow or three times. We may be experiencing the "/. effect" with M$ extensions.
Yikes!! Hadn't even thought of that. Perverse enough to have some merit.
...then when some nut job goes and blows away a dozen of his classmates or co-workers, there could be legal action that would, 1) identify all of the possible responsible parties, 2) assign a percentage of blame to each party, 3) initiate civil litigation against each. Then we would have more actions where the accused would argue, 1) why they aren't responsible, 2) why the percentage of blame is wrong, 3) counter-sue.
Think of the lawyers billable hours on that ( smell that? that's sarcasm).
Sorry about the rant, but give me a break. Assigning blame for civil actions really misses the point.