The Suite had not been gaining popularity because there was no concerted effort by the MoFo to market it as an alternative to IE/OE.
FF/TB is the product-line for the MoFo now. However, do not discount the efforts of the forkers. They are highly motivated to make the Suite a far better alternative than Firefox. It is far from deprecated.
If everyone says, "Damn I should have waited", it means they've already bought the product, and so the market has already materialized.
If the world decides the Nomad is good enough, and the iPod tanks, all that would happen is all products formerly known as iPod killers would be known as Nomad killers. However, demand is such that they will want more down the road. There is always a market; it just depends how far along the road you are willing to look.
It was just another way for him to increase his visibility, and for his company too.
He manipulated Wired and used them to "optimize" search engines, while preaching to them about search engine optimization. It's quite brilliant really.
It's only 5% of their global revenue. In any case, no one is forcing Microsoft to pay that much. But if Microsoft is not going to get its act together, the EU has to make it hurt.
If Java gets open sourced, and if another company or group of developers decides to fork Java and extend it, it is left to the Java developers and consumers to decide which version of Java to use.
Essentially, only a few versions of Java could survive, which is curiously the way it is now. Most of the world is on Java 1.3 or 1.4, even though 1.5 is out.
If Sun wants to maintain a semblance of control over Java, they could create something like the W3C or seek to standardize it like C++ is.
Most C/C++ compilers seek to implement the standard, with the notable exception of Microsoft. But Microsoft's lack of support for standards is a non-issue.
Netscape opened Mozilla up to the world, and see how far that has reached?
Had AOL controlled Mozilla every step of the way, Mozilla wouldn't be where it is now. Sure, Mozilla had its ups and downs, and experienced many random forces, but they survived.
If Sun truly cares about Java, they are free to create something like the W3C, where other companies and developers have a voice, to make sure there is a standard for Java. Any rogue developer whose JVM chooses not to follow the standard will be ignored because the JVM would not work with the majority of Java applications out there.
If there is a fork of Java, it would only seek to improve Java, not change its compatibility. If the fork broke compatibility with Java (Java 2 or Java 5), no one would use it because it wouldn't work with the applications currently written in Java.
If Sun wants to control Java's development after it opens it, then it is not true open-source.
Not all Linux users, I'm afraid, are geeks, and know what K3B is. Aunt Tilly isn't going to run and learn K3B because it's there. She's going to go with something she knows, and that's the target market.
I can't blame Nero for leaving because of the attitude of Linux users. It was the point I was trying to make. However, as many *nix developers realized, Linux needs corporate support too, and the more support it gets from software developers, the more appealing it will be as a platform.
Linux needs software houses like Nero as much as Nero needs the Linux market, if not more. Ever wonder why more software companies cater to Mac than to Linux?
Surely, in any market, an inferior product would generally be disregarded.
However, my point was simply that if the Linux community was more encouraging of the commercial companies, which could provide software on the Linux platform that would be familiar to Windows users, there would be more acceptance of Linux, by both software companies and the general public.
In any case, this is Nero's first Linux venture, and if they receive more compliments, they'd be more willing to pursue Linux development.
This is the kind of attitude that is keeping commercial software companies off Linux.
Yes, most of the needs of the FOSS/Linux/BSD community are taken care of by the FOSS community and a whole variety of free software, so much so that most opportunities/markets are saturated.
However, when a well-recognized company tries to enter the Linux market, it faces comments such as the parent's. Why would any commercial software company take the Linux community seriously, as a potential market, when the Linux community does not take them seriously, unless it is free?
So NeroLinux is not free. Perhaps it is worse than GnomeBaker and K3B. But at least they recognize the Linux community. Encouraging Nero to try harder, rather than posting trollish comments about how it's not free and not as good as other software, would do more to help Linux's image in the corporate world.
After all, the FOSS community is not the be-all and end-all of software development.
There is a way to do this, although it is a bit ugly. The reverse-runner forks the program into 3, one for each of the possibilities. It then continues this until values have been solved.
It would produce a decision tree, and the debugger could work backwards.
Of course, this is purely theoretical. If A and B were strings, the number of processes would be infinite, in which case heuristics would be required, and it wouldn't be perfect.
The fact is that MoFo is looking to focus its development efforts on Firefox and Thunderbird, while keeping Seamonkey stable at 1.7, mainly for testing purposes.
There are many, however, in the MoFo who like the Suite, and that's all this whole thing is really about.
If those developers who support Seamonkey are to follow in MoFo's direction, in order to maintain solidarity in the open-source community, this would hamper the spirit of the open-source community, while saving its face. And this is something these developers will not do, and this is a good thing, the very essence of democracy at work.
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The Suite had not been gaining popularity because there was no concerted effort by the MoFo to market it as an alternative to IE/OE.
FF/TB is the product-line for the MoFo now. However, do not discount the efforts of the forkers. They are highly motivated to make the Suite a far better alternative than Firefox. It is far from deprecated.
If everyone says, "Damn I should have waited", it means they've already bought the product, and so the market has already materialized.
If the world decides the Nomad is good enough, and the iPod tanks, all that would happen is all products formerly known as iPod killers would be known as Nomad killers. However, demand is such that they will want more down the road. There is always a market; it just depends how far along the road you are willing to look.
It was just another way for him to increase his visibility, and for his company too.
He manipulated Wired and used them to "optimize" search engines, while preaching to them about search engine optimization. It's quite brilliant really.
what will European Average Joe consumer reaction be?
Sacre bleu!
Wouldn't that be totalitarian if they just forced them to do things?
All Microsoft would have to do then is pull their products from Europe, and the EU would have a lot of problems from companies and consumers alike.
Fining a company is ok, however, because that is how a lot of crime is dealt with. This way, they make Microsoft look like the bad guy.
It's only 5% of their global revenue. In any case, no one is forcing Microsoft to pay that much. But if Microsoft is not going to get its act together, the EU has to make it hurt.
If Java gets open sourced, and if another company or group of developers decides to fork Java and extend it, it is left to the Java developers and consumers to decide which version of Java to use.
Essentially, only a few versions of Java could survive, which is curiously the way it is now. Most of the world is on Java 1.3 or 1.4, even though 1.5 is out.
If Sun wants to maintain a semblance of control over Java, they could create something like the W3C or seek to standardize it like C++ is.
Most C/C++ compilers seek to implement the standard, with the notable exception of Microsoft. But Microsoft's lack of support for standards is a non-issue.
Netscape opened Mozilla up to the world, and see how far that has reached?
Had AOL controlled Mozilla every step of the way, Mozilla wouldn't be where it is now. Sure, Mozilla had its ups and downs, and experienced many random forces, but they survived.
If Sun truly cares about Java, they are free to create something like the W3C, where other companies and developers have a voice, to make sure there is a standard for Java. Any rogue developer whose JVM chooses not to follow the standard will be ignored because the JVM would not work with the majority of Java applications out there.
The reason Microsoft's JVM was a huge problem was that Microsoft used its monopoly power to push the JVM.
However, with open-source, JVMs and JREs, from Sun and elsewhere, would compete simply on merit. The end result: everyone wins.
If there is a fork of Java, it would only seek to improve Java, not change its compatibility. If the fork broke compatibility with Java (Java 2 or Java 5), no one would use it because it wouldn't work with the applications currently written in Java.
If Sun wants to control Java's development after it opens it, then it is not true open-source.
It's your choice: blue pill or red pill
The lawsuit would be filed so fast, your question would be posted on the Slashdot article concerning the lawsuit rather than this one.
GPL-Violations should GPL their processes.
In any case, I doubt this is an MS tactic. They've actually settled the majority of the cases amicably. Microsoft does nothing legal amicably.
Also, where's Groklaw when you need it?
We should get Sir Tim Berners-Lee and Sir William H. Gates III to duke it out in a joust, just like real knights of the empire.
Never been to Tennessee have you?
This is what I thought. In that case, Sun JRE is working as advertised, as are Firefox, Opera and other Sun JRE-reliant browsers.
This is not even in the same league as IE-exploits, and is barely a warning towards future attacks.
Isn't this a Java problem more than it is a browser problem, as it seems the installer escapes Java's sandbox and alters external files?
A CSS/XHTML-ized version of Slashdot (with or without Roland's articles, your choice entirely)
Not all Linux users, I'm afraid, are geeks, and know what K3B is. Aunt Tilly isn't going to run and learn K3B because it's there. She's going to go with something she knows, and that's the target market.
I can't blame Nero for leaving because of the attitude of Linux users. It was the point I was trying to make. However, as many *nix developers realized, Linux needs corporate support too, and the more support it gets from software developers, the more appealing it will be as a platform.
Linux needs software houses like Nero as much as Nero needs the Linux market, if not more. Ever wonder why more software companies cater to Mac than to Linux?
Surely, in any market, an inferior product would generally be disregarded.
However, my point was simply that if the Linux community was more encouraging of the commercial companies, which could provide software on the Linux platform that would be familiar to Windows users, there would be more acceptance of Linux, by both software companies and the general public.
In any case, this is Nero's first Linux venture, and if they receive more compliments, they'd be more willing to pursue Linux development.
This is the kind of attitude that is keeping commercial software companies off Linux.
Yes, most of the needs of the FOSS/Linux/BSD community are taken care of by the FOSS community and a whole variety of free software, so much so that most opportunities/markets are saturated.
However, when a well-recognized company tries to enter the Linux market, it faces comments such as the parent's. Why would any commercial software company take the Linux community seriously, as a potential market, when the Linux community does not take them seriously, unless it is free?
So NeroLinux is not free. Perhaps it is worse than GnomeBaker and K3B. But at least they recognize the Linux community. Encouraging Nero to try harder, rather than posting trollish comments about how it's not free and not as good as other software, would do more to help Linux's image in the corporate world.
After all, the FOSS community is not the be-all and end-all of software development.
the patches screw up the systems, as has happened in the past?
Also, how would other governments see this? Would they accept being 'second-class customers', no different in Microsoft's eyes to the Average Joe?
There is a way to do this, although it is a bit ugly. The reverse-runner forks the program into 3, one for each of the possibilities. It then continues this until values have been solved.
It would produce a decision tree, and the debugger could work backwards.
Of course, this is purely theoretical. If A and B were strings, the number of processes would be infinite, in which case heuristics would be required, and it wouldn't be perfect.
The fact is that MoFo is looking to focus its development efforts on Firefox and Thunderbird, while keeping Seamonkey stable at 1.7, mainly for testing purposes.
There are many, however, in the MoFo who like the Suite, and that's all this whole thing is really about.
If those developers who support Seamonkey are to follow in MoFo's direction, in order to maintain solidarity in the open-source community, this would hamper the spirit of the open-source community, while saving its face. And this is something these developers will not do, and this is a good thing, the very essence of democracy at work.
Wouldn't I use Linux on mac hardware given to him? No, no I wouldn't. Unless that was part of the Linux Server Break-in Challenge. :P