"Uh. I was under the impression that Americans believe in God and Bible." Erroneous assumption on your part.
"Now, the American faith seems to be that it is up to every American to take arms and decide themselves whether another life is worth living." Take this strawman and shove it up where the sun don't shine so it will be in good company.
1. What is this American faith you speak of? 2. every American? Hah! you obviously have not paid any attention to the 'gun control' controversy in the USA- just look at TFA: it was a 5-4 decision, not 9-0. 3. decide themselves? No, we have a multitude of laws to pretty much take that decision out of 'every American's' hands except in a few specific circumstances. (ie:defense of life) 4.'whether another life is worth living' Not all humans cooperate with society sufficiently to be worthy of continued life. Take Jeffery Dahmer, or Timothy McVeigh for example.
They did not have to travel back in time, just review the extensive writings of our founder's thoughts on the constitution (ie: the Federalist Papers) and how it should work, what the purpose was, etc.
SCOTUS seems quite fond of them as a reference, having quoted them in their decisions 291 times as of the year 2000. (according to the above wiki link)
I call BS! How is it that impinging on someone's freedom to own guns NOT hypocrisy? My owning a gun has absolutely nothing to do with impinging on you freedoms. That is unless you come onto my property uninvited first. If you stay away, we will both be happy, and I won't have to shoot you for invading my home. Pretty simple.
Get over the 'whole world revolves around me' attitude, it hinders finding respect for you and your opinions.
"Do you have any further historical references supporting this much-derided viewpoint?"
I can't give you exactly what your asking (been a while since I read the Federalist Papers), but I for sure can tell you where to look.
The 'Federalist' he referred to is a compilation of the Federalist Papers, and for the texts to these try here.
Interesting reading on what was going on in the minds of the framers of the Constitution when they were fighting to get it ratified. Apparently SCOTUS reviews these writings even now days to help come to their decisions.( according to the wiki link above, SCOTUS has quoted them 291 times as of 2000)
No, the military is trained to follow lawful and constitutional orders that do not violate the UCMJ. They are required by the UCMJ and our Oath to disobey and resist any orders that are unlawful, unconstitutional, or go against the UCMJ.
I'll admit that currently there are inexcusable things happening, but they are few and isolated. This does not mean that it's trivial, just saying that the major majority of our military are not mindless drones without morals and ethics.
Honestly, I think that a trained, professional army deciding enbloc to defy the Constitution, their Oaths, and the Uniformed Code of Military Justice to attack their friends, neighbors, and families in any meaningful way is utterly ridiculous.
As for your "...average Joe Americans with handguns and rifles...", many of them are veterans of military service. I would even hazard a guess that the number of average Joe American veterans probably outnumber our active duty personnel.
It is not as cut and dried or black and white as you seem to think.
Stormtroopers? Where are these Stormtroopers you refer to? *looks outside,in closet, even under the bed* Nope, have never seen stormtroopers outside of TV and the movies. You sir, are delusional.
Here is the full text for the US Military oath of enlistment:
"I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (So help me God.)"
The (So help me God) is optional according to your religious convictions, as is substituting 'affirm' for 'swear'
You are correct that the oath is to the Constitution, not the Government. Also note that we took the oath to defend our Constitution from ALL enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC.
My vote goes for this one: "Hey, y'all! Watch this!" It also would not surprise me if it was somewhere around Huntsville, Alabama. Disclaimer, I just finished reading Von Neumanns War last night.
I used to do tech support for Creative Labs, and they always had us emphasize the need to back up your files from your device before sending it in, as it WOULD be formatted before anything else was done. I was told to explain to them that it gave the repair team a baseline to work from, but I had several higher ups also tell me that it was a common industry practice at the request of the major media distributors to fight media 'piracy'. Judging by the number of calls I got just asking how to get files onto the device, I suspect this actually had some effect. (effect on exactly what is open to debate)
Pure anecdote, so it doesn't count for much, but I know what I was told by people who should know. I am also posting AC in case any of them are still there. Has nothing to do with me, as I'm not there anymore.
You could be entirely right, but the public will try to get what they want. They (the public) will find or develop protocols that will enable them to do what they feel is their due.(right or wrong according to current copyright laws)
The average 'consumer' just want their 'media' to work in the fashion they are used to(and want). Expect a lot of resistance for anything else.
I used to work as tech support for creative labs. Most of my questions I had to deal with from callers were: !: why can I NOT record my DVD's to my device. Why is it illegal? 2 why does "plays for sure" limit what I can do with my purchased item? 3. How do I make a folder in WinXP?? And Where the FSCK is my music? 4. Why does 'Napster' and any other subscription service become 'unavailable after a Windows Update?'or if I get a new laptop? 5. Why does the 'extended' warranty help besides the availability of the knowledge base, and eight minute call ceiling?
Hah! U,ser are Loosing yer controll, and loosing your viewers. I haff to asx; Is this anythink like 'loosing yer dogg's of War?' BTW: I am n ur computer!!!!can I has cheezberger?
P.S. I don't really get 'it'. What's with all of the: loose/lose, than/then/, a/an, thing/think. their/they're, lose/loose confusion? (yes, I no that eye listed loose/lose twyce, but stil, WTF?!?!)
All sarcasm aside oldspewy(1303305), I really do not understand this 'newspeak' that seems prevalent now days. Is it some kind of SMS 133tspeek?, or is it an actual change in the legitimate English language and grammar? I honestly do not 'get it'. What am I missing? Am I just an old fogy that has not kept up with modern advances? Seriously, I first thought that it was just an internet fad, but now I have to wonder. Is this the 'new' spelling and grammar of the proper language?
BTW, do NOT take this as an attack, as I happen to agree with the sentiment of your reply, and may have went overboard at the beginning of my reply....I really just do not 'get it'. I am 50 years old, and have 'learned' English and grammar some 'years back', and have noticed some changes since then. By your UID, I am assuming (probably a false assumption- but what the heck!) that I could be older than you. I would appreciate a learned insight here if you are able to do so. If not, then I will just resign myself to laugh with you, and keep asking WTF?!?!?!?
I was part of the Honor's Program via my English Comp grades in college back in 1990-1991, but all that I learned seems to have been negated by the 'newspeak' internet school.....I truly do not 'get it' any more. Is there a conversion table online I can use? Or is it just a failure in our schools?
Although the questionable files should not have even existed on a company owned and admin'd pc, I feel that your approach to the issue was more than reasonable unless you were trying for the BOFH extortion approach. You had him over a barrel, but seemed to allow him an escape. This is a more productive approach than usual, ahd having been caught in the middle of a similar incident (not of my making), I can only applaud your discretion and handling of the issue.
At times it's difficult to make a decision on how to handle something like this without some personal knowledge to help, but sometimes you can fall into circumstances beyond your influence level to deal with.
*disclaimer* I fell into a/. goatse+tubgirl link trap at work several years back that caused a similar incident. We were allowed to cruise/. at the time during our 'scheduled breaks' and I got trolled bigtime due to being a/. n00b, and it cost me my job. I know better now, but at the time I had no clue. My boss was NOT amused by the link.
I realize my anecdote may not be typical, but I present this in the framework that sometimes it is not a deliberate and knowing action that can cause grief. At the same time I will acknowledge the fact that sometimes emplyees will go out of their own way to 'stomp on their own dick'.
All I am trying to say is that it may not be a cut and dried incident. You gotta check it out in detail before you ruin someone's career if you attest to being responsible.
In view of that, it sounds (Heh! Heh!-listen to me!) that this person MAY have been in the 'flakey' side of truth, but who knows for sure.
I can't answer your question about "Do you think I did wrong in not reporting the guy?" without more specific information/data, I can say that I find your solution admirable as long as : 1. The problem stops/ceases to exist. 2. It had no impact on the network/server environment. 3. You are not a BOFH, and plan to exploit this alleged lapse in IT Security, and have plugged the 'holes'. 4. You have been/are allowed to eliminate this problem from here on out.
It's much easier to give the benefit of doubt and deal with the issue than to declare war on your users and cause a company/corp wide crisis.
I admire your handling of the problem as far as the info you gave, but under different circumstances, a much different solution may have been in order.
P.S. Did I cover my own ass adequately with that answer? Sorry, but it's what I have learned to do in Corporate USA instead of actually doing my real job.
P.S.S. Maybe that's why I am currently unemployed?!
"Animals do not have ego. They never hunt more than they could eat. Period." Citations? Or is this just one of your fantasies made up to support your nonsense? Ever watch a mountain lion kill a deer, eat it's fill, then wander off to let the bulk of the deer rot? I have. How about dogs that are not fenced in killing cats for fun, or wildlife? Yep, seen that too...many times. How about the cats killing stuff and bringing it home as a trophy? Yep, all the time again. You have no clue here on this subject.
"Oh, and btw. I don't really care what anyone thinks about it." and (in the same paragraph) "But I'd really love to see more people discussing peace rather than war." So, you don't care what anyone else thinks about it, just what you think is important. Right.
The rest of your clueless diatribe is not even worth discussing, so crawl back into your mom's basement and use some of that internet time to get at least a LITTLE education instead of trolling forums, you will benefit from it tremendously.
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Nuclear weapons are classed as 'munitions', not 'arms'.
"Uh. I was under the impression that Americans believe in God and Bible."
Erroneous assumption on your part.
"Now, the American faith seems to be that it is up to every American to take arms and decide themselves whether another life is worth living."
Take this strawman and shove it up where the sun don't shine so it will be in good company.
1. What is this American faith you speak of?
2. every American? Hah! you obviously have not paid any attention to the 'gun control' controversy in the USA- just look at TFA: it was a 5-4 decision, not 9-0.
3. decide themselves? No, we have a multitude of laws to pretty much take that decision out of 'every American's' hands except in a few specific circumstances. (ie:defense of life)
4.'whether another life is worth living' Not all humans cooperate with society sufficiently to be worthy of continued life.
Take Jeffery Dahmer, or Timothy McVeigh for example.
Here, now get some remedial education.You should have learned this in high school.
They did not have to travel back in time, just review the extensive writings of our founder's thoughts on the constitution (ie: the Federalist Papers) and how it should work, what the purpose was, etc.
SCOTUS seems quite fond of them as a reference, having quoted them in their decisions 291 times as of the year 2000. (according to the above wiki link)
"No hypocrisy there."
I call BS!
How is it that impinging on someone's freedom to own guns NOT hypocrisy?
My owning a gun has absolutely nothing to do with impinging on you freedoms. That is unless you come onto my property uninvited first. If you stay away, we will both be happy, and I won't have to shoot you for invading my home. Pretty simple.
Get over the 'whole world revolves around me' attitude, it hinders finding respect for you and your opinions.
"Do you have any further historical references supporting this much-derided viewpoint?"
I can't give you exactly what your asking (been a while since I read the Federalist Papers), but I for sure can tell you where to look.
The 'Federalist' he referred to is a compilation of the Federalist Papers, and for the texts to these try here.
Interesting reading on what was going on in the minds of the framers of the Constitution when they were fighting to get it ratified.
Apparently SCOTUS reviews these writings even now days to help come to their decisions.( according to the wiki link above, SCOTUS has quoted them 291 times as of 2000)
Hope this helps somewhat.
No, the military is trained to follow lawful and constitutional orders that do not violate the UCMJ. They are required by the UCMJ and our Oath to disobey and resist any orders that are unlawful, unconstitutional, or go against the UCMJ.
I'll admit that currently there are inexcusable things happening, but they are few and isolated. This does not mean that it's trivial, just saying that the major majority of our military are not mindless drones without morals and ethics.
Honestly, I think that a trained, professional army deciding enbloc to defy the Constitution, their Oaths, and the Uniformed Code of Military Justice to attack their friends, neighbors, and families in any meaningful way is utterly ridiculous.
As for your "...average Joe Americans with handguns and rifles...", many of them are veterans of military service. I would even hazard a guess that the number of average Joe American veterans probably outnumber our active duty personnel.
It is not as cut and dried or black and white as you seem to think.
Stormtroopers?
Where are these Stormtroopers you refer to? *looks outside,in closet, even under the bed* Nope, have never seen stormtroopers outside of TV and the movies.
You sir, are delusional.
Here is the full text for the US Military oath of enlistment:
"I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (So help me God.)"
The (So help me God) is optional according to your religious convictions, as is substituting 'affirm' for 'swear'
You are correct that the oath is to the Constitution, not the Government. Also note that we took the oath to defend our Constitution from ALL enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC.
A lot of thought and effort went into this oath.
It was also covered herehere on /. in Dec. 2001.
I believe you, as my mouthful of coffee accelerated straight onto my monitor and keyboard as I read your post!
I wish you would have warned me how painful it would be going out through my nose though. :)
My vote goes for this one:
"Hey, y'all! Watch this!" It also would not surprise me if it was somewhere around Huntsville, Alabama.
Disclaimer, I just finished reading Von Neumanns War last night.
I used to do tech support for Creative Labs, and they always had us emphasize the need to back up your files from your device before sending it in, as it WOULD be formatted before anything else was done.
I was told to explain to them that it gave the repair team a baseline to work from, but I had several higher ups also tell me that it was a common industry practice at the request of the major media distributors to fight media 'piracy'.
Judging by the number of calls I got just asking how to get files onto the device, I suspect this actually had some effect. (effect on exactly what is open to debate)
Pure anecdote, so it doesn't count for much, but I know what I was told by people who should know.
I am also posting AC in case any of them are still there. Has nothing to do with me, as I'm not there anymore.
This French Revolution you speak of?
Bah! Let them eat cake!
P.S. Don;t tell them that the cake is a lie, though!
Yes, but I see that you got better.
Wait until the USA annexes canada-you/they will be happy.
all sarcasm aside, Is there much REAL difference anymore?
I used to LOL at the intro for these games, but not anymore.
Yes, my Karma can stand th 'fallout', but can you argue the fact?
You could be entirely right, but the public will try to get what they want. They (the public) will find or develop protocols that will enable them to do what they feel is their due.(right or wrong according to current copyright laws)
The average 'consumer' just want their 'media' to work in the fashion they are used to(and want). Expect a lot of resistance for anything else.
I used to work as tech support for creative labs.
Most of my questions I had to deal with from callers were:
!: why can I NOT record my DVD's to my device. Why is it illegal?
2 why does "plays for sure" limit what I can do with my purchased item?
3. How do I make a folder in WinXP?? And Where the FSCK is my music?
4. Why does 'Napster' and any other subscription service become 'unavailable after a Windows Update?'or if I get a new laptop?
5. Why does the 'extended' warranty help besides the availability of the knowledge base, and eight minute call ceiling?
Hah! ,ser are Loosing yer controll, and loosing your viewers. I haff to asx; Is this anythink like 'loosing yer dogg's of War?'
U
BTW: I am n ur computer!!!!can I has cheezberger?
P.S.
I don't really get 'it'.
What's with all of the:
loose/lose, than/then/, a/an, thing/think. their/they're, lose/loose confusion? (yes, I no that eye listed loose/lose twyce, but stil, WTF?!?!)
All sarcasm aside oldspewy(1303305), I really do not understand this 'newspeak' that seems prevalent now days. Is it some kind of SMS 133tspeek?, or is it an actual change in the legitimate English language and grammar? I honestly do not 'get it'.
What am I missing? Am I just an old fogy that has not kept up with modern advances?
Seriously, I first thought that it was just an internet fad, but now I have to wonder. Is this the 'new' spelling and grammar of the proper language?
BTW, do NOT take this as an attack, as I happen to agree with the sentiment of your reply, and may have went overboard at the beginning of my reply....I really just do not 'get it'.
I am 50 years old, and have 'learned' English and grammar some 'years back', and have noticed some changes since then.
By your UID, I am assuming (probably a false assumption- but what the heck!) that I could be older than you. I would appreciate a learned insight here if you are able to do so. If not, then I will just resign myself to laugh with you, and keep asking WTF?!?!?!?
I was part of the Honor's Program via my English Comp grades in college back in 1990-1991, but all that I learned seems to have been negated by the 'newspeak' internet school.....I truly do not 'get it' any more.
Is there a conversion table online I can use? Or is it just a failure in our schools?
Tor is your friend
It may be our only option-onion routers to do what we want.
Although the questionable files should not have even existed on a company owned and admin'd pc, I feel that your approach to the issue was more than reasonable unless you were trying for the BOFH extortion approach.
/. goatse+tubgirl link trap at work several years back that caused a similar incident. We were allowed to cruise /. at the time during our 'scheduled breaks' and I got trolled bigtime due to being a /. n00b, and it cost me my job.
You had him over a barrel, but seemed to allow him an escape. This is a more productive approach than usual, ahd having been caught in the middle of a similar incident (not of my making), I can only applaud your discretion and handling of the issue.
At times it's difficult to make a decision on how to handle something like this without some personal knowledge to help, but sometimes you can fall into circumstances beyond your influence level to deal with.
*disclaimer*
I fell into a
I know better now, but at the time I had no clue.
My boss was NOT amused by the link.
I realize my anecdote may not be typical, but I present this in the framework that sometimes it is not a deliberate and knowing action that can cause grief. At the same time I will acknowledge the fact that sometimes emplyees will go out of their own way to 'stomp on their own dick'.
All I am trying to say is that it may not be a cut and dried incident. You gotta check it out in detail before you ruin someone's career if you attest to being responsible.
In view of that, it sounds (Heh! Heh!-listen to me!) that this person MAY have been in the 'flakey' side of truth, but who knows for sure.
I can't answer your question about "Do you think I did wrong in not reporting the guy?" without more specific information/data, I can say that I find your solution admirable as long as :
1. The problem stops/ceases to exist.
2. It had no impact on the network/server environment.
3. You are not a BOFH, and plan to exploit this alleged lapse in IT Security, and have plugged the 'holes'.
4. You have been/are allowed to eliminate this problem from here on out.
It's much easier to give the benefit of doubt and deal with the issue than to declare war on your users and cause a company/corp wide crisis.
I admire your handling of the problem as far as the info you gave, but under different circumstances, a much different solution may have been in order.
P.S. Did I cover my own ass adequately with that answer?
Sorry, but it's what I have learned to do in Corporate USA instead of actually doing my real job.
P.S.S. Maybe that's why I am currently unemployed?!
I was going to include dogs and livestock in my post, but I got sidetracked at the stupidity of the idiot posting.
You are truly correct, and the similarity between the sheep herd and modern most Americans is disturbingly spot on.
Just remember one thing:Watch out where the huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow!
Here you go!
Hear! Hear!
Just the thought of that makes my lunch want to escape forcefully!
"Animals do not have ego. They never hunt more than they could eat. Period." Citations? Or is this just one of your fantasies made up to support your nonsense?
Ever watch a mountain lion kill a deer, eat it's fill, then wander off to let the bulk of the deer rot? I have. How about dogs that are not fenced in killing cats for fun, or wildlife? Yep, seen that too...many times. How about the cats killing stuff and bringing it home as a trophy? Yep, all the time again.
You have no clue here on this subject.
"Oh, and btw. I don't really care what anyone thinks about it." and (in the same paragraph) "But I'd really love to see more people discussing peace rather than war."
So, you don't care what anyone else thinks about it, just what you think is important. Right.
The rest of your clueless diatribe is not even worth discussing, so crawl back into your mom's basement and use some of that internet time to get at least a LITTLE education instead of trolling forums, you will benefit from it tremendously.