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How To Clean Up Incorrect Geolocation Information?

zorro6 writes "I thought this might be an interesting question/topic and it would sure help me to get some kind of answer. I recently got internet service from a small, local wireless ISP in my area (south central Colorado, USA). The strange thing is that many, many web sites think I am in Quebec, Canada when I use the service. Evidently some geolocation service thinks my IP address indicates I am in Canada. I have checked the obvious. The WHOIS information for my IP correctly indicates a location of Durango, CO. So the bad info is coming from some more sophisticated geolocation service. My ISP is at a loss as to how to fix this but it is causing me a lot of grief. Many of the ads I get shown on Yahoo! for instance are in French! Certain sites won't sell me goods or services because they don't do business in Canada. So far I know that Yahoo! (or their ad provider), Nvidia, Movielink, etc. all think I am in Canada. I would sure appreciate any help/info on how to get this corrected."

392 comments

  1. personal sites by hansoloaf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Adult Friend Finder would like to know too
    it's silly when they show many hot looking ladies from Morrisville VT (pop. 2000).

    1. Re:personal sites by UnixUnix · · Score: 3, Funny
      Try Pearblossom, CA :)

      I mention the Geneva Convention in a post... here come the hawt chykks of Lausanne.

      I write "too many Chiefs and not enough Indians" in an email and presto, I'm contemplating Bollywood beauties.

      Semantic Web my foot.

    2. Re:personal sites by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's stupid, but I always look twice... pop 10k here, so I would have seen them before.

      Still, my favorite has to be this one, and ones like it.

      Seriously, one of these days, I have got to get into the porn business. If any idiot with FrontPage can make money, imagine what will happen when you get someone competent... I can see it now: PornDB! Complete with buzzword compliance (social networking! REST!) and a query language!

      SELECT videos.* FROM models LEFT JOIN videos ON model_id WHERE bust_size > size('33C') AND bmi 120;

      (Nobody mod me insightful!)

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    3. Re:personal sites by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1
      Damn quoting...

      SELECT videos.* FROM models LEFT JOIN videos ON model_id WHERE bust_size > size('33C') AND bmi < 23 AND iq > 120;
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    4. Re:personal sites by Zerth · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have to say, I thought the original query was more interesting. With a BMI of 120, they'd have to be like... 900 pounds for the average height female. With a bust of 33C, they'd practically be inverted:)

      I wonder how many /.'s meet those criteria.

    5. Re:personal sites by backbyter · · Score: 1

      His query indicated any bust size greater than '33C' would satisfy his current desires. Imagine the thrills he will get when the little gal with an '80A' bust responds to him.

    6. Re:personal sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AND bmi 120 OH MY GOD!!!



      You have damn big models there...
    7. Re:personal sites by aproposofwhat · · Score: 2, Funny

      AND bmi 120;

      You're not from Oldham or Rochdale, are you?

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    8. Re:personal sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow you grew a whole 50 to that population since i lived up there in 1994... LoL

    9. Re:personal sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's nothing. In some countries you'll see dozens of hot chicks from municipalities with a population of less than 50. Although I suppose there could be pockets of hot chicks out there without me knowing. Hm, on second thought, I'd better investigate this further...

    10. Re:personal sites by Junior+Samples · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I see the same ladies that you see, but they are labeled as being from Binghamton, NY. I was visiting in Rochester, and once again, these very same ladies were tagged as being from Rochester NY.

      These hot ladies sure get around.

    11. Re:personal sites by lena_10326 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      SELECT videos.* FROM models LEFT JOIN videos ON model_id WHERE bust_size > size('33C') AND bmi 120;
      The gay version. Heh. Heh.

      SELECT videos.* FROM models LEFT JOIN videos ON model_id
      WHERE cock_size > size('7.0 INCH') AND height > size('6 FEET') AND chest = 'hairless' AND body_rating >= 80/100;

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    12. Re:personal sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! A BMI of 120? Now THAT's a woman.

    13. Re:personal sites by zehaeva · · Score: 2, Funny

      They must be stalking you!

    14. Re:personal sites by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 3, Funny

      0 rows returned

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    15. Re:personal sites by LilBlackKittie · · Score: 1

      Yesterday I had mod-points... damn!

    16. Re:personal sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how in the hell did parent get modded insightful? is this a case of karma trolling, or did the mods mod insightful just because the poster said not to? honestly, this is incredibly off-topic, and as such should be modded down into the basement.

    17. Re:personal sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SELECT videos.* FROM models LEFT JOIN videos ON model_id WHERE bust_size > size('33C') AND bmi 120;

      (Nobody mod me insightful!) AND Beauty = ??
    18. Re:personal sites by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Well, the original query also wasn't valid SQL -- it needs an = in there to do what you want.

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    19. Re:personal sites by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Slashdot ate my <; I reposted the real query.

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    20. Re:personal sites by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Beholder.

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    21. Re:personal sites by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      I was actually expecting to be modded "Funny", but I put that disclaimer there because I thought people might mod me insightful. Backfired, of course. D'oh!

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    22. Re:personal sites by mazarin5 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Semantic Web my foot. Measuring tapes, rulers, and more at measuringtools.com!
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    23. Re:personal sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Adult Friend Finder would like to know too

      it's silly when they show many hot looking ladies from Morrisville VT (pop. 2000). That's what I thought until I visited Barrow, AK.
    24. Re:personal sites by UnixUnix · · Score: 1

      Dunno... I might also try Tom's Hardware :)

    25. Re:personal sites by dsoltesz · · Score: 1

      Er, I thought wanting to watch videos well-endowed men made me heterosexual... sheesh, I'll never get this stuff straight.

    26. Re:personal sites by mazarin5 · · Score: 1

      I'm left wondering, though, how many people assumed that was spam :)

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    27. Re:personal sites by UnixUnix · · Score: 1
      You mean... it WASN'T??? 8-X

      :-))

    28. Re:personal sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, a bmi of 120? Talk about a fat dataset!

  2. happened to me by jupiterssj4 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't know how to fix it, but I know that some ads (before I got adblock plus) thought I lived in a town about 25 miles from here but it was later fixed. I don't know what happened but it was weird seeing "Find sexy ladies in xxxxxx, oh" and it not being my current location.

    1. Re:happened to me by bladesjester · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe it was trying to tell you that the closest sexy ladies were 25 miles away :P

      (I'm trying really hard to not make Ohio jokes since I live here lol)

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    2. Re:happened to me by Dak+RIT · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Geolocation services are just large databases that map IP addresses to physical locations. There's really nothing else to it. Who owns a set of IP addreses can also change quite frequently, and so these databases need constant updating.

      As an example, here's the FAQ provided by a geolocation service I've used in the past:

      GEO I/O compiles several sources of data to achieve 99% accuracy at the country level, 85% at the state/regional level, 80% at the (US) city level (within a 25-mile radius), and 60% accuracy for cities outside of the US. The data is stored in a proprietary format, limiting our ability to make individual changes to it, however the database is updated monthly by our data providers.

      Basically, it will get fixed when the group maintaining the data updates it, which in my experience can be anywhere from a couple weeks to a year.

    3. Re:happened to me by MrNaz · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are two widely used geolocation services which should be your starting point:
      MaxMinds and IP2Location.

      I would contact them and get them to update their records, especially MaxMind, as they are probably the most widely used geolocation service on the Internet.

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    4. Re:happened to me by kdemetter · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's normal . The whois information of your ip adress doesn't contain your adress , but it likely contains the adress of your ISP headquarters , or some datacenter .

      So in other words , your ISP is 25 miles away .

      It's probably the same case here : the ISP datacenter might be located in Canada for reason , and so the whois information shows that .

      There's no way to fix it , unless you get your ISP to move . Or maybe you could just get another ISP.

    5. Re:happened to me by Mike89 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have the exact opposite problem... plugging my IP address into Maxmind, I get my EXACT town (and it's a small one, believe me). Yet, any other address in my ISPs range just says the capital city of my state. Can I convince Maxmind to like.. you know.. MAKE MY DAMN STATIC IP NOT POINT RIGHT AT ME!? And how'd it get like that in the first place?

    6. Re:happened to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could it be that your line is a static connection to your ISP as opposed to the other addresses which are most likely dynamic? With a static connection, it is far easier to pinpoint your location.

    7. Re:happened to me by Nutria · · Score: 1
      Can I convince Maxmind to like.. you know.. MAKE MY DAMN STATIC IP NOT POINT RIGHT AT ME!?

      Well, no. That would defeat the purpose of geo-IP.

      And how'd it get like that in the first place?

      Your ISP probably told them.

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    8. Re:happened to me by Mike89 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your ISP probably told them.
      Then they would have told them for the thousands of other subscribers. But they didn't - I'm the only one that I can find actually...
    9. Re:happened to me by Chapter80 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Maybe it's because you HAPPEN to live "in the centerpoint of town" or whatever point they happen to point to.

      No one assumes that those are EXACT, so you're safe.

      Honest, Mike. We couldn't find you if we tried.

      <knock> <knock>

    10. Re:happened to me by Chapter80 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      You should go to another site, and do a "tracert" (traceroute) to your regular location, and see what path it takes (noting the last few locations). Or do a tracert from your regular location and look at the first few entries. Maybe even try a web-based tracert site.

      You may see an upstream location that appears to be in Canada. Maybe the reverse lookup domain name is misleading, and these geo services are making an assumption (like router5-ontario-ca.someisp.com being in Ontario Canada, and not Ontario California).

    11. Re:happened to me by bytesex · · Score: 1

      It may be that you're the only one running a service on a domain, which you own. They just have to do an reverse name lookup on the IP address to get to yours.

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    12. Re:happened to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone in your family (or your drunk self) may have told them at some point, thinking it would be cool or something. I had to convince a friend of mine to stop plugging his location into every geolocation database he came across years ago.

    13. Re:happened to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or have a look at an 'open solution' here: http://www.hostip.info/

    14. Re:happened to me by Mike89 · · Score: 1

      Nope:
      203.12x.xxx.xxx.dynamic.rev.aanet.com.au

      (aanet = ISP)
      Running HTTP server, but all it says is "Nothing to see here".

    15. Re:happened to me by grahamm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I notice that neither of their demos work when presented with an IPv6 address.

    16. Re:happened to me by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Can I convince Maxmind to like.. you know.. MAKE MY DAMN STATIC IP NOT POINT RIGHT AT ME!?

      Nope. There are probably plenty of other sources doing the same. Run whois my.ad.dr.ess sometime to see who owns the netblock you're in. If it's someone like Qwest, that doesn't tell you much. If you use a small ISP, that might get you right to them.

      Method #2: dig -t ptr -x my.ad.dr.ess to get the hostname you're posting from, or one of .0 or .255 if that doesn't tell you much. Then whois the domain name or check out their website. That may be as vague as telling the world that you use Comcast, or as specific as yourcity-yourstate-mothersmaidenname-shoesize.pacbell.net.

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    17. Re:happened to me by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      Just be happy you aren't in the dead centre of town....... :o)

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    18. Re:happened to me by djones101 · · Score: 1

      Follow the white rabbit. Knock knock, Neo...

    19. Re:happened to me by edgr · · Score: 1

      Looking at Maxmind's latitude/longitude data is also scary. I'm on a dynamic IP, but the latitude/longitude data is only a few blocks off.
      Looking at a few other IPs, it seems the location is often your ISPs POP in your city.

    20. Re:happened to me by Hatta · · Score: 1

      See, this guy has it. I liked it when there was no connection between one's IP address and one's physical address. I'm not all that concerned about being tracked down, but I don't want to be treated differently on the internet based on where I'm from.

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    21. Re:happened to me by hereisnowhy · · Score: 1

      It's interesting to think that, with 99% accuracy at the country level, 30 million Americans could theoretically have the same problem as the submitter. At that point advertising revenue becomes significant, not to mention availability of online shopping.

    22. Re:happened to me by Hyppy · · Score: 1

      Except he stated that his ISP has no clue what the problem is, either.

    23. Re:happened to me by zorro6 · · Score: 1

      It's been about a year now and still no fix.

    24. Re:happened to me by zorro6 · · Score: 1

      Both MaxMinds and IP2Location have it correct. MaxMinds has it down to my (very little) town. IP2Location only has it down to the country but it has it correctly.

    25. Re:happened to me by zorro6 · · Score: 1

      Did you read the post? Oh no I forgot this is /. The WHOIS information is correct, at least insofar as it points to my ISPs headquarters 60 miles away. The problem isn't coming from the WHOIS info.

    26. Re:happened to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whois information of your ip adress doesn't contain your adress, but it likely contains the adress of your ISP headquarters, or some datacenter.

      Unless, of course, the net block has been assigned to you by your ISP. This doesn't happen for single IPs, but I have a block of 8 static IPs (to my home) and Verizon has assigned the block to me, and my address appears in the WHOIS information.

    27. Re:happened to me by Rob+Kaper · · Score: 1

      I don't want to be treated differently on the internet based on where I'm from.


      While I agree in general, there are some valid exceptions:

      - betting agencies who are by law required to do as much as they can to prevent users from certain countries to place (certain) bets,

      - content with export restrictions (BBC videos are paid for by the British and therefore only available in the UK)

      User input can obviously not be trusted, so in these cases blocking users with GeoIP makes sense.

      As annoying as it can be... Opera Mini uses Opera proxies in Norway.. guess what kind of AdSense ads and other targetted content appears?
    28. Re:happened to me by Walkingshark · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow, the US popped up to 3 billion population while I was asleep? There must be some very chafed vaginas out there...

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    29. Re:happened to me by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Those are exactly the kinds of things I want to avoid. In each case knowing where I'm from allows them to restrict my freedom. It would be best for everyone if location based restrictions were impossible to enforce.

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    30. Re:happened to me by Bat+Country · · Score: 1

      A lot of these GeoLocation services buy IP/zipcode data from companies.

      You go to, say, "gimmemyweather.tk" and type in your zipcode, they map your IP as an occurrence of a certain IP to that zipcode.

      You type in a zipcode into a "store locator" and that data might be sold too.

      That's really the only way to get correct information of that kind - through user input, if the ISP doesn't make data available.

      Verizon in Eastern Washington allocates addresses from the Seattle and Coeur d'Alene areas (about a 300 mile spread), so the geoip data for those IP addresses are all over the place.

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    31. Re:happened to me by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

      I just tried my company's external IP address and got reasonable answers. The MaxMind location is consistent with what I get when my iPod asks Google Maps where it is. The IP2Location coordinates are down the street, possibly the central office (our internet is through the phone company).

      I'm not sure which service they are using, but I see a number of web sites that think I'm in Blaine, Washington. This is the nearest town in the U.S. (30 km away).

      ...laura

    32. Re:happened to me by ThePeices · · Score: 1

      If the law of the country your in states that you cannot legally do a certain thing on the net, say gambling for example, then you didn't have the 'freedom' to do so in the first place, so how is this restricting your freedoms? Its simply helping to enforce the law.

    33. Re:happened to me by MadonnaC · · Score: 1

      Just be happy you aren't dead in the center of town...... :-0

    34. Re:happened to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel your pain, My podunk telco back hauls traffic 3 states away so I get ads/info from Iowa. More amusing than useful. Guess I'll have to drive 600 miles to meet the woman of my dreams. Doubt the wife will go for that trip.

  3. Proxy by KevMar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You might have to track down a proxy to surf from.

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    1. Re:Proxy by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, a hidden proxy upstream is the problem.

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    2. Re:Proxy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Presumably one in Quebec, n'est-ce pas?

  4. possibly stating the obvious by v1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    but you're going to get a lot more help if you provide your ip address, even if you don't like doing that to the crowd. Or at least let us know what your router's IP address is or some other address in your subnet, since they are probably all the same (wrong).

    Unless you are only interested in knowing the generals of how to fix it yourself, not more in depth examination of your problem (and possibly an immediate solution) This will be the difference between "try this and look that up and see what this is and google for that and ..." vs "call XXX at 555-1212 and ask for their geo department, problem solved".

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    1. Re:possibly stating the obvious by TheSpoom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.

      Teach a man to fish, and he'll feed himself for years.

      Hackers follow this model when giving support. Even if the asker gave such details, we'd likely show them how to figure out the answer themselves. It's not that we don't care to give a quick solution, it's that we want to share the knowledge so they can help themselves and help others in the future.

      And frankly, I wouldn't want to make it immediately obvious what my IP address was to such a large audience. There's inevitably going to be some jackass that sends a botnet at it.

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    2. Re:possibly stating the obvious by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would have suggested he have his ISP assign him different IPs until he gets one that geolocates to America.

      "Don't know what's going on" is different from "we can't resolve the matter"

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    3. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Stray7Xi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Glad to hear you'll help. My IP is 192.168.1.101. If that's not enough my router's IP is 192.168.1.1.

    4. Re:possibly stating the obvious by thetartanavenger · · Score: 5, Funny

      And frankly, I wouldn't want to make it immediately obvious what my IP address was to such a large audience. There's inevitably going to be some jackass that sends a botnet at it. I was about to correct you for thinking there would only be the one jackass, when I realised that slashdot is it's own human botnet.. So by posting his own address, he'd be the jackass unleashing the botnet upon himself..
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    5. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Give a man fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

    6. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's why no one likes a "hacker."

      People don't ask for help as a lead-in to a lecture about something over their head, they ask for help. Giving them a load of crap they can't use as a substitute speaks to a dearth of social understanding and an unwillingness to be a decent human being to someone who doesn't share the same skillset. That's the true "hacker" mentality.

      I say this without malice - I myself dabble in the dark arts of making computers do my will. It's simply the result of many years of observation of the personality types of people who are into computers.

      Luckily, I was socialized as a child so I'm a hell of a lot easier to get along with. In real life, that is. Don't care much about here, I don't know any of you and you don't know me, so you're outside of my circle of give-a-shit.

    7. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow, you must be living pretty close to me, my router's IP is 192.168.0.1!

    8. Re:possibly stating the obvious by UnixUnix · · Score: 2, Funny

      Teach a man to fish, and he'll buy an ugly hat [@Dilbert :) ]

    9. Re:possibly stating the obvious by UnixUnix · · Score: 2, Funny

      You guys are on my subnet... but sorry, I prefer 127.0.0.1, it's uncannily like my stuff.

    10. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damnit, I'm too far away from the cool kids...172.16.1.1 :(

    11. Re:possibly stating the obvious by mindwhip · · Score: 2, Funny

      I must be in the same place as you! My IP is 192.168.1.2 and my router is 192.168.1.100!

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    12. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm about to DoS your router in 3...2...1...[NO CARRIER]

    13. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Antity-H · · Score: 2

      Sorry but I prefer ::1 myself

    14. Re:possibly stating the obvious by synaptic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Give a man a fish and he'll tell you to cook it for him while you're at it.

    15. Re:possibly stating the obvious by sonofusion82 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      yeah.. IPv6!

    16. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Z34107 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm running Vista. I'm located at 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1, or possibly at FF02::1. Take me down if you can; Vista's pretty secure!

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    17. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Funny

      Did he at least try reversing the polarity ?

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    18. Re:possibly stating the obvious by UnixUnix · · Score: 2, Funny
      Gasp... your ipv6 is longer than my ipv4 :(( [*walks away heartbroken*]

      :-PP

    19. Re:possibly stating the obvious by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      It's a shame we're so far apart. My IP address is 10.0.0.101.

      Shucks.

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    20. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, You are using my router

    21. Re:possibly stating the obvious by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Excellent last paragraph - I'm going to steal it from you :-)

    22. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Amamdouh · · Score: 1

      WOW!! I didn't know that so many people on slashdot live in Egypt I am also on 192.168 !!!

    23. Re:possibly stating the obvious by bloodninja · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wow, you must be living pretty close to me, my router's IP is 192.168.0.1! Amazing! That's the IP address of my luggage!
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    24. Re:possibly stating the obvious by nog_lorp · · Score: 4, Funny

      Fuck the RFCs, I modified all the necessary software (incl. router), and run on the 207.46.197.0 subnet, so no one can access microsoft.com from the lan.

    25. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are hackers, and there are hackers. Some of us will blather about things that araen't part of the problem, and lose track of the issue, and forget the person with the problem (such as we're doing here). Others of us will pay attention to the original problem.

      In this case, there are only a few industrial grade geo-IP setups that can support a client as large as Yahoo: that's a lot of DNS traffic to deal with. I'm not sure what they are this year (because of all the turnover in the field and companies buying companies or splitting off services, even if they're the same servers and staff as last year). Perhaps Yahoo can help our original poster more directly? And perhaps he can switch to using Google, which may be better about this particular issue? The only use I have for Yahoo is their old www.gamesdomain.com URL, which is now http://videogames.yahoo.com/.

    26. Re:possibly stating the obvious by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Look behind you.

    27. Re:possibly stating the obvious by arachnoprobe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day.

    28. Re:possibly stating the obvious by ConanG · · Score: 4, Funny

      Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you lose your monopoly on fish.

    29. Re:possibly stating the obvious by johannesg · · Score: 1

      Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.

      Teach a man to fish, and he'll feed himself for years.

      Hackers follow this model when giving support. Even if the asker gave such details, we'd likely show them how to figure out the answer themselves. That's very nice. But it would be nice if hackers would recognize that, occasionally, just fixing the problem is all that is required, and long theoretical answers that do not help *at all* aren't welcome. It makes them come across as being extremely unhelpful, unpleasant, elitist human beings.

      Simple example: many, many years ago, I asked the resident hacker at the university how to do something slightly esoteric under UNIX.

      His answer? "man" Nothing else, just that one word.

      When I complained that his "teaching" did not help because I didn't know what to look for, he just stared at me and intoned "man man".

      That's not helpful. That's not pleasant. That's elitist bullshit, and it is the thing that gives hackers their bad name as social misfits. Quite frankly, that was the point where I decided I didn't care for UNIX, nor for the attitude that pervades its users.

    30. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give a man a fish, and he owes you a fish

      Teach a man to fish, and you lose your fisheries monopoly.

    31. Re:possibly stating the obvious by houghi · · Score: 1, Funny

      Wussies. Soooo scared that they don't tell where they realy are.
      I am at http://hackme.houghi.org/
      It varies whether http is open or others are open or closed.

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    32. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Praxx · · Score: 1

      I find less that people ask for help, but rather they're asking you to do the work for them. It's not uncommon that a question starts out as "I can't figure out x, can you help me?", and after I explain where to find the answers, ends up as "Can you just tell me what to do?"... I found this disturbingly common as a mentor in the CS lab during my undergraduate years.

      Anyhow, your second sentence probably sums up the general case - most of these people have probably been bombarded with technical jargon by more than a few "hackers" who lack the skills to effectively communicate. It's no wonder they don't care to learn.

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    33. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Quite frankly, that was the point where I decided I didn't care for UNIX, nor for the attitude that pervades its users.

      I know exactly how you feel. I went into a shop once and one assistant was unhelpful and rude. Well, that was it. I left and *never* went into another shop again!

    34. Re:possibly stating the obvious by WingedHorse · · Score: 1

      Give man a fish and you'll feed him for a day. Give man a religion and he'll starve to death while praying for that fish.

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    35. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you must be living pretty close to me, my router's IP is 192.168.0.1! Amazing! That's the IP address of my luggage! Amazing! That's the IP address of my coffee pot!

    36. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's inevitably going to be some jackass that sends a botnet at it. No I won't!
    37. Re:possibly stating the obvious by myth_of_sisyphus · · Score: 1

      My brother sometimes has a say in new hires at his company. He gets a lot of people who say they know electronics.

      He asks them "How do you reverse the direction of a three-phase motor?"

      My bro says most people are bullshitting about their experience and just stare at him blankly.

      "You reverse the polarity." Dumbasses.

      Why would one claim to be a thing that he is not?

    38. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will someone think of the fish!!!

    39. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      i LOL'd. Have an internets.

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    40. Re:possibly stating the obvious by houghi · · Score: 1

      Troll? LOL. Bceause I replied with a 127.x adress where everybody else did as well.
      houghi@penne : host hackme.houghi.org
      hackme.houghi.org has address 127.183.82.167

      Oh well, one persons humor is another persons troll, I guess.

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    41. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2, Informative
      You don't reverse the polarity (the classic definition of polarity loses its neaing with AC, anyway) - you reverse the direction of phase rotation.

      3 phase consists of 3 power leads each 120 degrees out of phase with each other. By switching any two leads, you will reverse the direction of the phase rotation, which will make the motor turn the other way.

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    42. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Dang it! s/meaning/neaing/

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    43. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My router's IP address is 192.168.1.1 and I copyrighted it. Please start sending me royalties.

    44. Re:possibly stating the obvious by samjam · · Score: 1

      And its not an electrONICS question either.

      It is an electrICAL engineering question though.

      Maybe someone is dumb, but you and your brother have failed to make the case that it is the new hires.

      Sam

    45. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you must be living pretty close to me, my router's IP is 192.168.0.1! Amazing! That's the IP address of my luggage! Let's go! And have my secretary change the IP address of my luggage!
    46. Re:possibly stating the obvious by birrddog · · Score: 1

      Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will waste weeks and weeks on the water drinking beer and fishing.

    47. Re:possibly stating the obvious by mhamel · · Score: 1

      Quebec is in America.

    48. Re:possibly stating the obvious by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      No, that's not helpful, and that's not what I'm saying we should do. I didn't tell the asker to RTFM, as your "hacker" fellow did a while ago.

      If you check below, I told him that it's likely that he could contact MaxMind and have them fix the IP in their database. I could have, for example, contacted MaxMind myself and said "fixed", but I figure he could learn why it's happening at the same time as fixing it.

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    49. Re:possibly stating the obvious by fredklein · · Score: 2, Informative

      Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.

      Teach a man to fish, and he'll feed himself for years.


      No, no. I've found it to be more like this:

      Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.

      Teach a man to fish, and he'll whine about how hard it is, and bitch at you for not just giving him a fish.

    50. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      127.0.0.1

    51. Re:possibly stating the obvious by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying we shouldn't adjust our level of technospeak for the person asking (easy to follow instructions for the novice, more technical but more to-the-point for the more technical person).

      I'm also not claiming that we should try to teach him the whole GeoIP API, how it works, why he might have been listed incorrectly, or what have you.

      Check further down, I posted a fairly succinct answer about contacting MaxMind before even posting the GP.

      What I'm saying is that as I'm helping someone, I want them to understand what I'm doing and possibly where I got the knowledge. I'm satisfied if I can give them enough knowledge to both solve their problem, and pass that knowledge on to others if it comes up with one of their friends.

      That's why I wouldn't say "Call XXX-XXXX and ask for YYYYY, tell them to fix your IP" because it's cryptic and without context. Saying who to contact, how to contact them, and why you should contact them is a much better option, IMHO.

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    52. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe what you meant to say was:

      Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day.

      Teach a man how to fish and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day.

    53. Re:possibly stating the obvious by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Tiller's Rule: Never use a word in written form that you've only heard and never read. You will end up looking foolish.

      Ha, this was great. I literally laughed my head off.

    54. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazing... That's the IP address of the fica tree in my office!

    55. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1
      If you're laughing at my typo, that's not what my rule is about. It's about atrocious misuses of words, typically homonyms of the intended word.

      Most recently seen examples:

      1. Walla! for Voila!
      2. persay for per se
      3. "a setaline torch" for Acetylene torch
      4. Monocot construction with regard to automobiles instead of monocoque.
      You get the idea, I'm sure.
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    56. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      isn't the IP of your luggage 1.2.3.4.5?

    57. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Hyppy · · Score: 1

      If 90% of all brick-and-mortar shops treated me like that, I'd avoid walking into them at all costs. Fortunately, most shop owners are at least tolerable.

      On the other hand, many people experience a very high level of elitism when attempting to do anything *nix related.

    58. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Hyppy · · Score: 1

      How is this a troll?

    59. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Hyppy · · Score: 1

      I'm kinda close. 172.32.16.1

      And no, that's not a public address.

      Yes, the tier above me is composed of mostly idiots.

    60. Re:possibly stating the obvious by zorro6 · · Score: 1

      I am a computer/networking professional. I don't need detailed help. I was primarily looking for specific info on what geolocation service Yahoo uses for instance. Or a short list of the major geolocation services (google lists hundreds). Certainly specific contact info would be helpful. But I think giving out my IP address would be a hugely stupid thing to do. At least at this point. If I get desperate then maybe I will reconsider.

    61. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I was trying to watch content on discovery.ca and it said I couldn't because my 192.168.2.x address was in Redmond, Washington! I live in Alberta.

      Yep, they geolocated my private IP address. Same for all the computers on my network. And they don't respond to queries on how to resolve it. Although, for a 2 day period they changed my private IP location to Quebec. Sooo, no discovery channel viewing for me or my family.

    62. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Born2bwire · · Score: 1

      He changed it after finding out that it was the same IP as his airhead neighbor's garage door opener.

    63. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you must be living pretty close to me, my router's IP is 192.168.0.1! That is your internal IP address, provided by your home router. You need to look at the external IP address (WAN side) on your router.
    64. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Kiralan · · Score: 1

      (Didn't see this above anywhere, and please excuse a possibly obvious tip or two :-> ) 1. Do others (such as your neighbor(s)) get the same results? If so, obviously back to finding out who Yahoo uses to geo-locate your ISP. If not, there is possibly something on your computer, don't know what, that is mis-identifying you. Some sort of plugin from Yahoo, Google, MSN or the like, or your using Dynamic DNS or similar? Also, I would try a release/renew of IP address on your router, or power cycle the cable/DSL modem. (Some ISPs changes addresses when you do so), or ask your ISP to change your IP if possible. Hope this is some help. -K-

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    65. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You literally missed the joke.

    66. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      woosh!

    67. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow- I must be right down the street- my routers' address is 1 92.168.2.1

    68. Re:possibly stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.

      Share your fire with a man, and he'll be warm for a night.

      Set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

    69. Re:possibly stating the obvious by XP_sucks · · Score: 1

      Well, my ip is 192.168.1.169.... send away

  5. Use ArcGIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Use ESRI's ArcGIS Software Suite to fix any problems that start with GEO or GIS.

  6. But you probably *are* a canuck! by Ambiguous+Coward · · Score: 1

    Not to point out the obvious, but my first instinct is always "blame the user." Have you tried clearing out any cookies relevant to the offending sites?

    -G

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    1. Re:But you probably *are* a canuck! by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is always wrong to blame the user for stale cookies. Cookies are set by the server, not the user, and the server can (and should) update them as necessary.

      Besides, that has nothing to do with the problem here, which happens when the web site looks up the IP address in a locator service, and gets wrong information back. The IP address is independent of cookies.

    2. Re:But you probably *are* a canuck! by profplump · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not that cookies have anything to do with geo-location of IP addresses, but you're only 98% correct. Cookies are set by the server. And servers should updates them as necessary.

      But sometimes you have old cookies with names that still mean something to the server, and values that don't. It's bad programming practice, but it happens. In particular it can happen if you don't go to the site very often -- when the site is updated from v1 to v2, v2 can read v1 cookies without a problem. And when the site is updated from v2 to v3, v3 can read v2 cookies without a problem. But if you visit during v1, and don't visit again until v3, the server could be confused by your cookies that are invalid for both v2 and v3. Obviously the right choice is for the server to clear/update cookies it doesn't understand, but that doesn't always happen. And while clearing the cookies client-side is lame, it does fix such problems.

    3. Re:But you probably *are* a canuck! by JohnVanVliet · · Score: 1

      talk about old cookies try not cleaning them out after using tor Google or yahoo will pop up in some odd language

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    4. Re:But you probably *are* a canuck! by Ambiguous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I didn't necessarily mean blame the user himself, but rather that the problem is often on the user's end...i.e. client-side. And regardless of who sets them, cookies are *definitely* a client-side property.

      Also, I held out very little hope that checking for stale cookies would solve the issue, but it is always a possibility. I guess what I was really getting at is that before you go wandering the world in search of obscure solutions, try the simple and easy ones first, i.e. "Is it plugged in?"

      So along those lines, I would like to propose an alternate question to the submitter in lieu of my cookies question: "Is your computer plugged in?"

      -G

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    5. Re:But you probably *are* a canuck! by Ambiguous+Coward · · Score: 1

      They might not have anything to do with geo-location of IP addresses, but you can bet your ass they're used to indicate locality. Not initially, but it seems like every friggin' corporate site out there requires you to set your location upon first visit. Really annoying, but that's how they do it. It's totally possible that this user f'ed it up somewhere, or in several places, and that information either persists in the form of a cookie (or two) or has, through some arcane (and possibly illicit) process, propagated to other sites, or at the very least to any sub-sites. How this information would migrate from, say, Yahoo to Nvidia, well...like I said in another post, I didn't actually expect cookies to be at fault here. But it's a hell of a lot easier to clear a few cookies than it is to track down some obscure agency who may or may not have mis-represented your location.

      On the other hand, submitting an article to /. is pretty easy, so I guess there's that...

      -G

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    6. Re:But you probably *are* a canuck! by JuanCarlosII · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sure, it's on an extension cable running from here to Canada.

  7. Canada, Colorado... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    What's the difference?

    1. Re:Canada, Colorado... by richardkelleher · · Score: 3, Funny

      What's the difference... Why it's mostly the vowels. One has O's and the other has A's. Seems obvious actually.

    2. Re:Canada, Colorado... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought we were talking about Quebec. Bon st Jean tabarnak!

    3. Re:Canada, Colorado... by richardkelleher · · Score: 1

      There the majority of the vowels are E's and, as I'm sure you can see, the C is at the wrong end. Who would put a C at that end of a word anyway. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that even with the oddly spelled name, they have quality baked goods.

  8. South-central?!? by gardyloo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    We native Durangoans think we're in southwest Colorado. South central is the San Luis Valley, or maybe Creed. You're not a dirty Alamosan, are you?

    1. Re:South-central?!? by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Jebus. Creede> .

    2. Re:South-central?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Must be Pueblo.

    3. Re:South-central?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he's from Cortez, so it seems central...

    4. Re:South-central?!? by zorro6 · · Score: 1

      Not that far east. Begins with P.

  9. Check ARIN by BeBoxer · · Score: 1, Informative

    Whois provides info on domain registrations. Go to arin.net and plug your IP into the search field. It should tell you who has been assigned the IP block you are in. That's probably how they are doing the tracking. Anybody can put whatever they want for a reverse DNS entry. Or nothing at all. No reasonable advertising service would use it to target ads. It's too slow and unreliable.

    1. Re:Check ARIN by kayditty · · Score: 0

      Except ARIN runs WHOIS servers, too, dumbass (and so do all the other RIRs). And, no, that's not how they're doing the tracking, as he's indicated that the WHOIS information is accurate (geolocation services use a mixture of different things, including multiple WHOIS records [you can get more specific records for a particular net]).

      Christ, the amount of misinformation on Slashdot is astonishing. And I don't know what you're babbling about in relation to reverse DNS. Where did anyone say anything about it?

    2. Re:Check ARIN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      this is all wrong. whois is also used to query the arin database. as the OP stated, this whois information from ARIN is correct.

      reverse DNS can not be modified by anyone. only the authoritative nameserver for a region of IP address space (your isp's isp) can delegate that role to another party. this is the essence of the in-addr.arpa domain. most ISPs will not even allow customers with static IP addresses to control the reverse DNS for their addresses.

      if you perform reverse dns lookups on the IP addresses appearing near the end of a traceroute you can find useful information for geolocation of the target address. networks generally provide reverse dns for router IP addresses, and those are likely to reveal where the router lives.

    3. Re:Check ARIN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The problem is that whois information can not be legally used for geolocation. Read the whois data terms of service: Commercial use is explicitly forbidden. The whois databases are not available for bulk download without a written agreement about the use of the data.

      There are other sources of geolocation information, but they are much less reliable. Reverse DNS has already been mentioned, but nothing says that reverse lookups must be handled by a server in the TLD which matches the organizations country-code. Geolocation services use a combination of several, often ambiguous and conflicting sources of information. There's no way to contact all services, so your best bet is for your ISP to get a fresh allocation and do everything the obvious way: No legacy IPs (assigned before 1997), no reallocations from a larger ISP in another country, reverse DNS handled by a server with the correct CC, correct whois (some do use it nevertheless). Of course that may get you blacklisted for a while because a server with an outdated geolocation database may classify your IP address as a "bogon."

      IMHO you should consider yourself lucky. Some people would pay money to get an IP with consistently misidentified geolocation.

    4. Re:Check ARIN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arin will tell you the entity that it's registered to, but not necessarily where it is. They will more than likely give you the corporate headquarters, or where they connect to the backbone.

      My IP is registered as being in Calgary, AB through arin (because that's where my ISP is headquartered), but I'm actually in Vancouver. Several neighboring class B blocks are the same.

    5. Re:Check ARIN by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Speaking of traceroute, have you tried running a traceroute to see what route the packets are going? While I admit it is a lower chance than a geo service screwup, IMHO it is always better to start at the bottom and then work your way up. And he is talking about a little WISP,after all. I had the displeasure of trying my local WISP and believe me there are some real dumbasses working in that business, at least in the several I've dealt with in my home state. If they don't have good admins there is no telling what is going on once it reaches them. But that is my 02c,YMMV

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    6. Re:Check ARIN by value_added · · Score: 4, Informative

      most ISPs will not even allow customers with static IP addresses to control the reverse DNS for their addresses.

      Dunno what you mean by most or control, but for ATT DSL customers, a call to DNS Provisioning and a day's wait is all that's required. For their part, they basically just create a CNAME record and let you take care of the rest. Unless, of course, you choose to have them take of the rest.

    7. Re:Check ARIN by Bat+Country · · Score: 1

      Comcast and Time Warner will not allow residential customers to control RDNS. They want you to fork out the bill for their small business accounts, even if your IP is fixed and you're paying extra for a fixed IP.

      I'd imagine that's what he was referring to.

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  10. Move to Canada by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey! Cheap meds!

    1. Re:Move to Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      And according to these advertisements im seeing cheap women too.

    2. Re:Move to Canada by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 3, Funny

      You'll need the cheap meds after your fill of cheap women.

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    3. Re:Move to Canada by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Seeing how cheap those women look, I'd say you'll be needing the very best, most expensive meds.

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  11. maxmind.com by braddeicide · · Score: 3, Insightful

    maxmind.com seems to pioneer GeoIP information, I suggest contacting them.

    1. Re:maxmind.com by braddeicide · · Score: 1

      they also have a popular free version, so even if you only get it fixed in their database that will probably fix you for a lot of sites :)

    2. Re:maxmind.com by TheSpoom · · Score: 4, Informative

      I agree with this. I've implemented GeoIP on a bunch of sites. Basically, they give you a database linking class A / B / C blocks to certain areas. I don't know where they get this data, but it's what most sites use to determine where you're from. I suggest contacting MaxMind, the maintainers of GeoIP, to correct your information (it's not immediately obvious from their FAQ who you should talk to, but I would start at their contact page). Unfortunately, getting them to make the change may not immediately come into effect on clients' sites... most sites use a static version of the database and update it fairly infrequently (since GeoIP charges for a subscription).

      As a side note, I once made an antifraud system on a major unlocked cell phone seller that relied mostly on flagging orders coming from certain countries (using GeoIP) as possible fraud, as well as people who had used the same CC number on more than one account, people who had more than one account in general (using various stats like email address), etc. Seemed to work pretty well for them.

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    3. Re:maxmind.com by shawnmchorse · · Score: 1

      Every web application I've ever used that did geotargeting used the MaxMind databases. I'd certainly recommend contacting them.

    4. Re:maxmind.com by nicklott · · Score: 3, Informative
      You can check if it's maxmind by simply pasting your IP in the box on this page: http://www.maxmind.com/app/locate_ip

      I've spoken to some of the devs there before; if it's wrong I don't think you'll have any problems getting it changed.

  12. OLD whois info by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 0

    Probably the block belonged to a canadian ISP before yours and its all just cached. You could have given us the netblock so we could see..... but no

    As you have stated it was a wireless ISP so probably is relatively new.

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  13. Relying on unreliable information by Skidge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's amazing how many people rely on geo-IP information when it's so unreliable. Denying potential customers use of your services because of tenuous assumptions you're making about them seems like bad business.

    We'd use geo-IP data at my old job, but it was just in non-critical, stop-gap places, trying to provide a better experience to users that we knew nothing about. Denying some customers use of our site would have been costly.

    1. Re:Relying on unreliable information by Endareth · · Score: 1

      I couldn't agree with you more. For various reasons my connection generally goes through various other countries, meaning that any website using Geo-IP information (and yes Google, I'm talking to you!) gets it wrong. It's really a case of people trying to make their software too clever. It really makes a lot more sense to provide a tiny drop down list in one corner of your site to allow people to choose location/language.

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    2. Re:Relying on unreliable information by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Well, if you are using geo-Ip to prevent usage from countries of high fraud rates, then it can make a lot of sense. No reason for mom & pop to accept wedding cake orders from mongolia.

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    3. Re:Relying on unreliable information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if the geo-location information is accurate, it's really annoying. When I visited Canada last month, many of the websites I visited tailored themselves to the assumption I was Canadian. Pretty annoying.

      I would have been really pissed if a website had actually prevented me from making an order to be delivered to my apartment back in America. Who cares where you currently are if the transaction involves a credit card accepted in the country you're doing business in and an address in the same country as well?

    4. Re:Relying on unreliable information by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      Mom and pop ought to be screening shipping addresses, not rejecting users based on spurious information.

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    5. Re:Relying on unreliable information by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Interesting
      any website using Geo-IP information (and yes Google, I'm talking to you!) gets it wrong. It's really a case of people trying to make their software too clever.

      I live in Hong Kong, and my IP matches that. But I don't read Chinese. Many websites thoughtfully redirect me to a Chinese language site, and have NO FUCKING WAY to override their language choice. Google.com is automatically converted to Google.com.hk. Assholes. If I wanted Google.com.hk I WOULD HAVE TYPED IT MYSELF. Yes, I know, now, how to fix that on my PC, but Google still does that whenever I use it from someone else's PC.

      And it was always good for a laugh to see the Adult Friend Finder ads, with buxom corn-fed blondes spreading their legs under the heading "Girls in Hong Kong want to meet you for sex".

    6. Re:Relying on unreliable information by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 3, Funny

      By "wedding cake" he presumably means "online porn"

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      Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
    7. Re:Relying on unreliable information by dmizer · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, it's not just "Mom and pop". Most U.S. banks and a great many U.S. government sites block access according to this information. I know, because I live in Japan, and it's a royal pain to get any official business done. I can't imagine how frustrating it might be to ACTUALLY live in the states, but not be able to visit these sites because someone keyed in your IP block as Canadian.

      Because of this, any time I need to take care of official business, I have to go to the embassy in Tokyo. I've been to Durango. I'm quite sure there's no embassy there.

      So, while TFS reads like a joke, the problem is quite real.

    8. Re:Relying on unreliable information by jibjibjib · · Score: 4, Informative

      Try going to some other country-specific google url, or going to www.google.com/ncr (No Country Redirect).

    9. Re:Relying on unreliable information by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      You still don't want them to be spinning cards on your site. Often scammers will find a site with low security to try credit card numbers to see if they are valid. They don't want the $1.00 plastic bride and groom statue. They'll ship it to to Wrigley field to get around shipping addresses. They just want to know if the card account is still open, but mom & pop still get hit with the ~ $30 charge back.

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      Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
  14. huh? by SuperBanana · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    My ISP is at a loss as to how to fix this but it is causing me a lot of grief.

    What grief? The only 'grief' you've elaborated on is being shown ads (which most everyone on slashdot probably blocks or ignores anyway) in French. That hardly seems tangible. Can you elaborate in a comment, please?

    1. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From Post:
      "Certain sites won't sell me goods or services because they don't do business in Canada."

    2. Re:huh? by Buran · · Score: 3, Informative

      The only 'grief' you've elaborated on is being shown ads (which most everyone on slashdot probably blocks or ignores anyway) in French. That hardly seems tangible. Can you elaborate in a comment, please?

      Article summary says "Certain sites won't sell me goods or services because they don't do business in Canada."

      That's a lot worse than inline ads.
    3. Re:huh? by XopherMV · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was in Mexico recently. Whenever I visited Google, I'd get the Mexican Google site. Getting the USA Google website was virtually impossible. As soon as I changed the URL, it'd just forward me back to the Mexican Google site.

      Yahoo exhibited the exact same behavior. Same thing happened with a bunch of other websites. It was really damn annoying. As an American living in the US, I was never aware of this behavior because I never previously ran into it.

      Hulu was particularly bad because they only display video for "US" IPs. This guy is legitimately living in the US, but with his IP coming up as Canada, he wouldn't be able to access that website.

    4. Re:huh? by UnixUnix · · Score: 1
      $$ Getting the USA Google website was virtually impossible $$

      Uh... www.google.us

    5. Re:huh? by adinu79 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Or www.google.com/ncr ... this sets a cookie that prevents further redirects to country-specific sites.

    6. Re:huh? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh, come on.... When I visit Google for the first time, I get it in German. You know what I do? Yeah, there is a small link on the bottom of the page named "Google in English" (and it's really written in English!) It's to the right, just above © 2008 Google. Click it and you will be in English nirvana. A cookie is set and it never asks you again.

      I checked, http://www.google.com.mx/ has it too...

    7. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell the sites you want to buy something from that they are losing business because of a stupid (and invalid) check.

    8. Re:huh? by Antity-H · · Score: 1

      Have you tried looking down at the bottom of the page where, on every single google web search front page, whatever the language it is setup for, there is a link called "Google.com in English" ?

    9. Re:huh? by no.good.at.coding · · Score: 1

      there is a link called "Google.com in English" ? Or 'Go to Google.com'
    10. Re:huh? by bouchecl · · Score: 1

      For one thing, the top poster won't be able to watch videos from Comedy Central. They are using some GeoIP scheme to block views from Canada.

    11. Re:huh? by aeschenkarnos · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'd say that's the real problem. Even if for some real or idiotic reason you don't want to ship to Canada, there's nothing to say that the "Canadian" you're bouncing from your online store doesn't want to have the item delivered somewhere you will ship to. Front page is the proper place to declare shipping destination policy; delivery address is the proper place to perform the software check.

    12. Re:huh? by aeschenkarnos · · Score: 1

      Video display denial due to geolocation is one of the most utterly fucktarded features of the modern WWW. Firstly, it's fairly trivial to circumvent if the viewer is sufficiently interested. Or they can just download it from a P2P site or YouTube. Secondly, you really, really are being an asshole. It might gain you some trivial commercial advantage; it may be your "right"; but, you're an asshole all the same.

    13. Re:huh? by Buran · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I agree, and I don't get it either. It's one thing to guess where a user is, another to guess wrong and refuse them business. I'd say the OP should write polite but firm letters telling these companies how much business they lost from refusing to override their mistaken guesses.

    14. Re:huh? by XopherMV · · Score: 1

      Uh, going to http://google.com/ from a foreign country takes you to that country's google website, typically not in English.

      And yes, there is a setting for displaying English. However, you still get listings for that country, in their language, rather than the US listings, in English, which is what I really wanted.

      Even so, the question I was answering comes down to: when does geographical information make browsing a pain in the ass? The fact that I have to know the settings for Google and every website that I visit to get the results I want is a pain in the ass. It's a further pain to apply those settings instead of my preferred settings (clearing the browser of cookies upon close). And the fact that applying those settings still don't give me the results I expect is a further pain in the ass.

      I'd much rather prefer to have one global geographical setting which I could set.

    15. Re:huh? by XopherMV · · Score: 1

      Yes, and you're still on the German Google, with German results, only it's printed in English. That is not the same as getting the US Google website.

      Further that was an example of a single website. The fact that I have to learn how to change the settings for every website I visit is a pain in the ass. Making those changes instead of my preferred settings is another pain in the ass.

    16. Re:huh? by XopherMV · · Score: 1

      Again, the Google example is an example of one website. Other websites may not be so flexible.

      Further, even if those other sites are that flexible, it's a pain in the ass to figure out how to change the settings for all of them.

      Further still, that means I have to change my browser settings from clearing my cookies on close - yet another pain in the ass.

      The fact that I can get around all of these nuisances does not change the fact that they are a nuisance in the first place.

    17. Re:huh? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      That's very interesting, because when I do my searchs and click on links they are not translated. So, I do my search in English, I get my results in English and I click the link and it's English, then what is the problem?

      Making those changes instead of my preferred settings is another pain in the ass.

      Try inverting that: it is a pain in the ass for native people to switch every webpage to their native language. Do remind: *you* are the *exception* in that particular country. Every other Mexican, is actually happy that he gets the page in his native language.

      Try to see this world through the eyes of someone else sometimes, mmmkay?

    18. Re:huh? by XopherMV · · Score: 1

      I hate it when people like you don't even bother to read the thread before posting.

    19. Re:huh? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      I did read this thread and you're complaining about something that is useful for others. That you weren't aware of this behaviour is not important.

  15. There is an easy fix! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Learn French and/or move to Quebec.

    1. Re:There is an easy fix! by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 1

      a better solutio would be to learn French and INVADE Quebec. you would be doing both yourself, and the rest of Canada a huge favour.

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    2. Re:There is an easy fix! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Quebec french are a completely differant breed than the France french. Invasion would be be nearly as easy as you seem to think, which you're basing on results from 60-some years ago.

  16. Start Downloading! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Download anything and everything. The MPAA will think your in Canada and look for someone else to sue.

    1. Re:Start Downloading! by [m1] · · Score: 4, Funny

      the MPAA will think my what is in canada?

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    2. Re:Start Downloading! by Brickwall · · Score: 2

      better hurry. The Canadian government has introduced a bill regarding digital copying that looks like it was written by RIAA and MPAA on a very bad day....

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    3. Re:Start Downloading! by dave1791 · · Score: 1

      Let's leave that to the imagination!

    4. Re:Start Downloading! by Extremus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your printer...

    5. Re:Start Downloading! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not true, altough DMCA warning have no effect up here hollywood companies still send them up by the droves. I've received 5 that my ISP just told me about, although they didn't care they still follow up on it.

      I have a friend in the local university and they had to hire an extra tech person, *solely* to go through the piles of complaints they get daily about students. Don't ask me why they didn't consider the other option: not hire someone and just ignore all the fuckin notices...

  17. You are worried about targeted ads? by garcia · · Score: 0

    You know, I visit a lot of sites that feed me stuff based on geolocation and none of it I'm interested in. I'm quite confused as to why you would be at all concerned with targeted ads. Is there a reason you aren't blocking them in the first place? I don't know anyone that is concerned about advertisements because, well, most people use AdBlock Plus. The rest of the population just ignores ads.

    Why are you so interested in ensuring that the ads you see are being shown properly? If anything, you should be thrilled that some asshole company is putting out ads, at a cost, that are not worth clicking on.

    1. Re:You are worried about targeted ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Try reading the whole summary.

      "Certain sites won't sell me goods or services because they don't do business in Canada."

  18. Re:Sounds like it's time for a call to the ISP... by enoz · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, why not ask the ISP what's going on? From the summary:

    My ISP is at a loss as to how to fix this There, I just saved you having to RTFS.
  19. General troubleshooting techniques by ziah · · Score: 1

    Try another computer connected to the same wireless device - eliminate your own computer as culprit. Google "free proxy colorado" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=proxy+colorado+free&btnG=Search Results in: http://www.cooleasy.com/index.php?act=whois&ip=128.138.207.181 - 5th hit In any case, google is always your friend when it comes to troubleshooting stuff, there's a good chance someone else has experienced what you have

  20. Good luck with that. by Stalus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Even if you do get the address corrected, it will take years before these companies update their databases and work correctly. About a year ago, the US Post Office changed the zip code in the area that I just moved into, and it has been a hassle left and right.

    The electric company claimed they didn't offer service to a house that they were currently providing electricity to. My health insurance was changed to an 'out of area' plan even though my dad already had the right provider in the same zip code. Sears wouldn't deliver until I gave them the old, incorrect zip code. Even Google still has it wrong on some maps, but not others (and I filed the bug months ago, but no fix).

    Welcome to another series of problems created by software developers who made bad assumptions.

    1. Re:Good luck with that. by vanquished · · Score: 1

      Even Google still has it wrong on some maps, but not others... I think it's funny that Google is referred to as an end all, be all, authority on most anything. Not saying I disagree, but I'm wondering what will happen when people start really believing that Google is never wrong. "If Google says it's true, it must be..." Perhaps having one behemoth corporate entity with the goal of organizing (and therefore controlling) the worlds information isn't such a noble idea after all...
    2. Re:Good luck with that. by Welshalian · · Score: 1

      About a year ago, the US Post Office changed the zip code in the area that I just moved into, and it has been a hassle left and right. Maybe they should've divided the city in two - the "new" and the "classic" version. Sorry, could not resist.
    3. Re:Good luck with that. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      The electric company claimed they didn't offer service to a house that they were currently providing electricity to.

      I had that with a phone number change. I was calling my electric company for some reason, went to update my phone number, and found that I no longer lived in my city. "But my address is the same," sayeth I. "No. You live in Next Town Over now," respondeth the dusty old bat at the coal plant. Eventually cooler heads prevailed and I somewhat begrudgingly convinced her that I hadn't teleported.

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      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    4. Re:Good luck with that. by WhatsAProGingrass · · Score: 1

      I had a problem getting my mail when I first moved into my house as well. Zip code changed for that area. Then I had a problem getting internet service. They claimed they didn't offer it in my area even though both neighbors on both sides of me were getting it. I never got the right mail. I got no mail most of the time. MY mail was going to the city next to me. Finally got the mailing thing figured out. Now I have someone parkign next to my mailbox everyday (While I'm at work). The mailman sends me a notice saying that they will not deliver mail because the mailbox is blocked. I told them "How can I make sure nobody parks on the street while i'm at work?" They said I would have to file a complaint. What ever happened to the days when mail persons would actually get out of the car and deliver the mail?

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      Mark
    5. Re:Good luck with that. by barzok · · Score: 1

      Think that's bad? Try dealing with the bureaucracy of getting a street name changed - or even adding a "neighborhood" to the address - when there are 2 streets with the same name in the same ZIP code although technically in 2 different towns.

      EMS, fire & police have been dispatched to the wrong location by 911 because of this screw-up. People have come to my parents' house demanding a tour/showing because they saw it listed in MLS, complete with pictures - when in fact it was the OTHER street where the house was for sale. Prescriptions delivered to the wrong location. It goes on and on.

      It's been over 20 years that they've been fighting it and the town has decided that the cost & inconvenience outweighs the benefit. I figured the full emergency response force being dispatched to the wrong place & needing 45 minutes to sort it out would get them to come to their senses, but apparently not. At least they'll have it on public record that the town decided to do nothing when a wrongful death or property loss lawsuit gets filed against them when the EMS/fire crews really are needed and something really bad happens because of the mix-up.

      This could easily be solved via fixing data/software - it's the bureaucracy that's killing it.

    6. Re:Good luck with that. by Skapare · · Score: 1

      Welcome to another series of problems created by software developers who made bad assumptions.

      It's not the software developers. It's the managers that won't get daily or at least weekly data updates.

      The electric company claimed they didn't offer service to a house that they were currently providing electricity to.

      Give them the address of a neighbor. Ask them if that's in their database. If not, tell them that obviously the neighbor is stealing electricity. Repeat for each neighbor.

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      now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
    7. Re:Good luck with that. by Skapare · · Score: 1

      It could have been worse. You could have gotten a VoIP service with a phone number in another state.

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      now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
    8. Re:Good luck with that. by bloobloo · · Score: 1

      Two TOWNS in a ZIP code? Wow. In the uk, each post code covers one street or less, and if you regularly receive over 50 letters a day (i.e you are a business) you get your own post code.

    9. Re:Good luck with that. by Scaba · · Score: 1

      ...wondering what will happen when people start really believing that Google is never wrong. "If Google says it's true, it must be..."

      Probably the same thing that happened when people started doing that with TV and religion.

    10. Re:Good luck with that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the Postal "Service" in south Florida loves to issue ZIP codes based on which facility delivers the mail, rather than what city it's being delivered to.

      Hence, Lighthouse Point, which is a 50 year old city with its own police force, fire department, and has over 11,000 residents, is forced to share one of neighboring Pompano Beach's ZIP codes. There are several other cities in the region in the same predicament. Ironically, there are also some unincorporated areas of Broward County that are being required to formally join one or another adjacent city so that, like New Hampshire, every square inch of Broward County will be in one town/city or another. You can tell which organizations have decent application software engineers when your city and ZIP are actually correct (and match what you entered), and which ones got lazy and ASSumed that there is absolutely always a 1:1 correspondence between ZIP code and city name. (I always love it when I can't enter my ZIP+4, either, which tells me that the organization can't be bothered to save a few bucks by getting a mailing discount from the USPS for pre-coded mail with ZIP+4's and bar codes.)

      Needless to say, the USPS could care less - most of the smaller towns and cities are "served" by a sectional facility in Miami (330- series ZIP codes), and not by the county seat (Fort Lauderdale, 333xx) and one city has two ZIP codes from the Palm Beach County sectional facility (334xx). Heaven forbid that a gummint agency actually get off its duff and do what it's being funded to do, and Do The Right Thing for us.

    11. Re:Good luck with that. by thogard · · Score: 1

      US Zip codes were originally 5 digits and each post office was assigned one or two. Latter they added Zip +4 which gives a 9 digit zip code and the bar coded zip codes are 11 digits which are unique to the building in most cases. The 5 digits are now mostly used for routing information and the +4 is used for local sorting and delivery. If you check any mail you get from the US in the UK, you will find its been barcoded with the UK's zip code of 00144. I got a letter sent from the US with just my house number, part of the street name, local post code and a barcode that says "put it on the next plane to Oz" and it only had domestic 1st class postage.

    12. Re:Good luck with that. by bloobloo · · Score: 1

      That's good - I like the fact that they've gone with the international dialling code for the ZIP.

      Apparently Bill Bryson once received a letter addressed to "Bill the American Author, Yorkshire" when he was living in the UK :-)

    13. Re:Good luck with that. by thogard · · Score: 1

      The 44 being the same as the UK's dialling code appears to be an accident. here is a list. If anyone is playing with barcodes, MS Word's envelope feature can create them and there is a macro that you can feed arbitrary data.

    14. Re:Good luck with that. by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      If you're going to pin anyone on this, pin it on those who set the policy that "If it ain't on the screen, the caller is trying to scam us." All of the database stupidity you've encountered could more easily be attributed to corporate incompetence than a handful of developers making stupid assumptions.

      That, and hard-headed South Asian call center reps. Once they believe they're right, they can be quite stubborn.

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      "We are Microsoft. You shall be assimilated. Competition is futile."
    15. Re:Good luck with that. by Bryan+K.+Feir · · Score: 1

      I liked the story about the mail that was addressed to ‘James Herriot, It Shouldn't Happen to a Vet, Yorkshire, Scotland’. Apparently, it did arrive, but on it was also written in a different hand, ‘It Shouldn't Happen to a Postman, either.’

    16. Re:Good luck with that. by barzok · · Score: 1

      US Zip codes were originally 5 digits and each post office was assigned one or two. Latter they added Zip +4 which gives a 9 digit zip code and the bar coded zip codes are 11 digits which are unique to the building in most cases. The 5 digits are now mostly used for routing information and the +4 is used for local sorting and delivery.
      Do you know your +4? (I've never known it anywhere I've lived)
      Does everyplace you order from allow you to enter the +4?
      What do you do when UPS, FedEx or DHL don't bother to check beyond the 5-digit ZIP code?
    17. Re:Good luck with that. by barzok · · Score: 1

      The "other" town just overflows by a few blocks into this one. But that's only for mailing address purposes.

      It's really fucked up. It's only a matter of time before someone dies or loses a large amount of property because of this.

  21. Contact Yahoo about it? by Ares · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You may not get anywhere with it, but it might be worth it to try and contact Yahoo's ad department about this. After all, its pretty worthless to be dumping a French ad to an American, and as a result a waste (however small) of the money the advertiser spent getting the ad to you in the first place. I'm suggesting Yahoo because you mention specifically their ads showing up, but if there are any others that do the same thing, it might be worth contacting them as well.

    Yes, it does seem rather counterintuitive to most of us here who block ads, but they are a source of revenue for the likes of Yahoo, and if they can chip in some effort to more effectively target you, you've gone a ways towards solving the problem with the other sites.

  22. south central by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (south central Colorado, USA) Like we care what part of Colorado he's it.
  23. Proxy by EEPROMS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The actual problem may be that your ISP is outsourcing the proxy to a datacentre in Canada thus it may be stuffing up the GEO_LOC software on some retail servers. Try using another proxy (within your area obviously).

  24. An Interesting Opportunity by theshibboleth · · Score: 1

    Perhaps the person experiencing this should take advantage of his situation and test the censorship laws of various countries and see what content changes when non-Americans visit U.S. sites - at the very least NBC doesn't allow non-American viewers to see its shows, for instance.

    1. Re:An Interesting Opportunity by enoz · · Score: 1

      I think there might be one or two non-Americans on /. that could answer those questions.

    2. Re:An Interesting Opportunity by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Not only non-US, even on another continent! Yeah, it's amazing what they can do with technology these days. :)

      So fire away, which pages would you like checked?

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    3. Re:An Interesting Opportunity by theshibboleth · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      If they're actually able to get to slashdot... I doubt you can in the PRC.

    4. Re:An Interesting Opportunity by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      He actually SAID so. He was talking about America, not the US....

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    5. Re:An Interesting Opportunity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what he said, but that's not what he meant.

  25. CO IS CANADA by rcarsey · · Score: 5, Funny

    As you may have been aware, the US economy has been in a rut. I'm not quite sure how "connected" you folks are out there in them sticks of Colorado.. but Bush decided he needed a new war to boost the economy and get cash flowing again.

    The Russians weren't interested.. so we picked a fight with neighboring Canada. As is usual with US military operations lately, we failed.

    Your part of the country actually IS Canada now dude. Good luck.. better than living in the States.

    1. Re:CO IS CANADA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, like every invasion the US has lead into Canada it failed miserably. Farmers and natives drove them out in a humiliating fashion.

    2. Re:CO IS CANADA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I thought Max sold the US to Queen Sybil of Canada.

    3. Re:CO IS CANADA by dido · · Score: 1

      Gee, wasn't that the plot of a movie starring John Candy? Oh, here it is, Canadian Bacon. Apparently it was a Michael Moore movie, and John Candy's last before his death.

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    4. Re:CO IS CANADA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, we're That good in québec! we taken over!

      Well now you can't watch streaming videos from abc and fox, but you can download them! well for a little while ...

  26. Contact Geo data provider by uss_valiant · · Score: 1

    Yahoo and other sites rely on databases of geo data. E.g. databases mapping IP ranges to geographical locations.
    There are a few providers of such databases and they constantly need to update their databases to fix issues as the one reported by you.
    E.g. notify http://www.quova.com/

  27. Simplest solution. by Karpe · · Score: 2, Funny

    Move to Canada.

  28. I do live in Québec! by filbranden · · Score: 1

    I live in Québec!

    You insensitive clod!

    1. Re:I do live in Québec! by Drew84 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't you mean "insensitive Claude"?

  29. Easy - contact the advertisers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Like radio, television, and newspapers, advertisers pay an advertising company for targeted ad placement. If the advertisers were to find out their ads are being viewed by people that aren't even in the same country they are trying to target (much less speaking a different language), they'll call the advertising company selling them the ads and yell about it - probably threatening not to pay. Once you start affecting the advertising company's income, someone will figure out the problem and fix it. This probably isn't your ISP's issue, or even the advertising company. The lesson, though, is to target the person that can bitch the loudest (the advertiser), and have them target the person they pay for the service the advertising company, with threats not to pay. The advertising company will find the bad database entry and force the location company to repair it. Good luck. Good luck.

    1. Re:Easy - contact the advertisers by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, he'd have to tell the ad companies whose ads he does not see (despite them wanting him to). I doubt anyone advertising in the Canadian Yahoo really thinks it's a problem that he sees their ad even though he shouldn't.

      Now, how do you find out which ads you do not see?

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  30. Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.swissvpn.net :)

  31. They Don't Know My Location Either! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    My IP address is 127.0.0.1 and none of the geo-location companies can find me.

    1. Re:They Don't Know My Location Either! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      127.0.0.1 is God's own IP address. You know, because of that "being everywhere at the same time".

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    2. Re:They Don't Know My Location Either! by deniable · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you've got some open ports. Hey, you like the same stuff as me. Do you mind if I copy it?

    3. Re:They Don't Know My Location Either! by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      haha fucker i just sent you a virus.

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    4. Re:They Don't Know My Location Either! by mariuszbi · · Score: 1

      You're wrong, I can pretty sure say you are @HOME

    5. Re:They Don't Know My Location Either! by deroby · · Score: 1

      Interesting thought, wonder if I'll recognize anyone in Adult Finder when they target my localhost...

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    6. Re:They Don't Know My Location Either! by Bat+Country · · Score: 1

      Sure they can. The response is either "here" or "there."

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  32. I'm not here by enoz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm interested to find out how to clean up "incorrect" Geolocation info too.

    Increasingly it appears sites are using GeoLocation to route you to a different version of their website, or prevent you from viewing content.

    Sometimes it may be useful, such as when Google serving you localised adverts, however when they get it wrong it can becomes a great pain in the arse.

    Worse is when sites ban you from viewing content, or just ban you completely, based on your location.

    I'm sure some people will rationalise the need for Geolocation for restricting content, but I think it is akin to putting a poster in a public place and then trying to restrict people from viewing it.

    1. Re:I'm not here by riceboy50 · · Score: 1

      That's the real problem though isn't it? Companies shouldn't be told (or shouldn't believe) that this is authoritative information. It should be used for non-critical convenience purposes only. We have a big problem with this on a major site that I work on.

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    2. Re:I'm not here by nwetters · · Score: 1

      > I'm interested to find out how to clean up "incorrect" Geolocation info too.

      You can't.

      I wrote IP::Country, the library used for country detection of relays within SpamAssassin. There is no manual tweaking of the country codes, I simply take the raw country data from the Regional Internet Registries (ARIN, RIPE, APNIC, LACNIC, AFRINIC) and encode them into a small, portable database.

      That is also how all the other IP geolocation libraries work. If you started out from the premise that you'd accept manual changes to the database, it would produce more inaccuracies in the long run that simply following the WHOIS changes.

      There is another way, which no one is using. Contraint-based geolocation pings the IP address from several known locations to estimate the location. There are academic papers saying it's more accurate than the WHOIS data, but it's never going to work on a webserver because it's doesn't produce a fast enough answer.

      If you're interested in how the country data changes over time, check out the CVS of my data.

      The only way to clear up a mistake in my country code is to correct the country code with the Regional Internet Registry. You won't be able to do that unless you own the block.

  33. I wish I had this problem by RockMFR · · Score: 1

    If I had this problem, I would be able to watch the current season of Degrassi!

  34. Wording: 'Money' makes the geolocation get fixed by Mathinker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My advice is to go the route Ares suggests, by contacting Yahoo about the problem, but in addition, I would emphasize in my communications with them that as a customer, they aren't getting full value for the money they pay their geolocation service. This may be more effective for actually motivating Yahoo to contact its geolocation service about it, rather than just complaining about bad ads.

  35. Quoi? by pipingguy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Desole, mais je ne comprend pas. S'il vous plait, ecrit en francais.

    Merci,

    Jean-Guy de Tabernac

    1. Re:Quoi? by UnixUnix · · Score: 5, Funny

      "ecrivez en francais", you insensitive Claude :))

    2. Re:Quoi? by FlyingOrca · · Score: 1

      Thank you sir, that's the funny of the morning.

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    3. Re:Quoi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For anyone wondering, "ecrit" is the informal imperative you would use with friends. "ecrivez" is the polite form of the imperative.

    4. Re:Quoi? by UnixUnix · · Score: 1
      You are welcome; happy to have been of service :)

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    5. Re:Quoi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "ecrivez en francais", you insensitive Claude :)) haha... politeness comes first! :)
    6. Re:Quoi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "écrivez en franÃais", you insensitive clod!

    7. Re:Quoi? by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      For anyone wondering, "ecrit" is the informal imperative you would use with friends. "ecrivez" is the polite form of the imperative. No, the complaint was with faulty parallelism. "S'il vous plait" is second person plural, but "ecrit" is second person singular.

      - RG>

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  36. We're coming to get you! by vawarayer · · Score: 0

    Quebec invasion over North America has started now! If we can't have independance, we'll invade!

  37. MaxMind by jon_cooper · · Score: 1

    MaxMind are pretty big on Geo-location. Try their tool to see if it's them: MaxMind Geo-location

  38. Yahoo Ads by rueger · · Score: 4, Funny

    My ISP is at a loss as to how to fix this but it is causing me a lot of grief. Many of the ads I get shown on Yahoo! for instance are in French!

    Ah, you're complaining about the utility of ads that you see on Yahoo...? This must be a first.

    1. Re:Yahoo Ads by UnixUnix · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Lol! ...oops, sorry: XD!

      In emails in Greek the word "kai" is ubiquitous, as it translates to "and". Yahoo happily serves ads about Kai Fragrances or the Napili Kai Beach Resort -- in Maui. How much bang are these sponsors getting for their buck?!

  39. Let me ask you this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does this new small ISP have a Pringles can on its roof, pointed North?

  40. To use the vernacular.... by vanquished · · Score: 1

    Canada, Eh?

    1. Re:To use the vernacular.... by Monkey_Genius · · Score: 1

      Take off, eh.

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    2. Re:To use the vernacular.... by garbletext · · Score: 1
  41. It's most likely Akamai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work at an ISP, and our customers had this problem after upgrading to a newer, larger Akamai cluster. See if changing your DNS servers to something like OpenDNS seems to solve the problem. If so, your ISP should open a ticket with Akamai to fix the ixsue.

  42. Move? by BizzyM · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or perhaps you should just move out of Quebec???

    1. Re:Move? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or perhaps you should just move out of Quebec??? Quebec population: roughly 8 millions
      Hot ladies count: lots

      Perhaps you should move in Quebec, where you won't need an internet service to get laid.
    2. Re:Move? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Maybe the submitter of this article should learn French?

      Oh, I can't resist, "Duh, everyone knows Colorado is in Quebec, they both start with the same sound."

  43. Contact Akamai by pashdown · · Score: 5, Informative

    Have your ISP contact Akamai. As an ISP who was also misidentified as "being outside of the USA" by Akamai's geolocation, our customers suffered from the exact same kinds of problems with region protection on network streaming. We didn't get it resolved until we were able to shake the tree properly at Akamai.

    AFAIK, Akamai has the most utilized geolocation service out there.

    1. Re:Contact Akamai by Stray7Xi · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure parent is correct that this is your problem. If you want to test it, you could try doing a traceroute to yahoo and see where the Akamai node is.

  44. Fallout1&2 by rts008 · · Score: 1

    Wait until the USA annexes canada-you/they will be happy.

    all sarcasm aside, Is there much REAL difference anymore?
    I used to LOL at the intro for these games, but not anymore.

    Yes, my Karma can stand th 'fallout', but can you argue the fact?

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    1. Re:Fallout1&2 by UnixUnix · · Score: 1
      $$ Wait until the USA annexes canada $$

      No dice. We've also been trying to give Florida back to Spain for YEARS :(

  45. Bummer by Ranger · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    It means when you surf those porno sites, you won't be able to find a fuck buddy in your area.

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  46. Just Move to Canada! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK?

  47. Why do you want to correct this?! by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    with the MAFIAA trying to sue everyone with an american address, and with the massive attacks on internet privacy underway in the US, I'd think you'd WANT to be mistaken for canadian.

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  48. Actually, contact Quova by davenaff · · Score: 5, Informative

    Most of the major Internet companies use Quova (Google, Yahoo, MSN, etc.) for their IP geolocation data (linky. You don't need to have your ISP contact them. Just send an email to support@quova.com with your IP and physical location. They used to provide weekly data updates, so I imagine it is equivalent or more frequent now.

    1. Re:Actually, contact Quova by pooh666 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hey I was searching for this answer, because no one else seemed to know it! Surprising to me because Quova in our own testing is not that much more accurate than Maxmind in many cases, but what Quova does that Maxmind doesn't, is to tell you how trustworthy each record is. That makes a big difference, but only if your software takes advantage of it!

    2. Re:Actually, contact Quova by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also send an email to Digital Envoy... many companies (including a couple listed) are switching over.

    3. Re:Actually, contact Quova by fabbbie · · Score: 1

      why would google go to Digital Envoy last news i heard is that they tried sue google

  49. Ways this affects life by dukeofurl01 · · Score: 1

    I would like to know how to fix this kind of information also. Incorrect Geocoding has affected my life in many ways.

    About a year ago, I went for a job interview in a suburb of my city that I am unfamiliar with. It started out normal, they gave me the address over the phone. I looked it up in google maps, and printed out a map from my place to there. I also punched it up in my GPS in my car. It took me there. It took me to a residence, not a business. It turns out that where the place is on a street, there is an identically named avenue a few miles away, and all maps and directions point to the incorrect place, despite typing it either way. I was late to the interview because I was in the wrong spot.

    This business gets their address misprinted in the phone book every year also, even though they point it out manually, every year, it never gets fixed because somewhere it says otherwise, incorrectly.

    I pointed this mistake out to Google, they still haven't fixed it.

    The neighborhood I live, underwent a zip code split about a year and a half ago, and I live in a new zip code now. Most websites and other places do not recognize this new zip code, or say it's otherwise invalid. Including Google Maps. A year and a freaking half later... It would seem that this new zip code only exists to the postal service.

  50. MaxMind by _Shad0w_ · · Score: 1

    MaxMind are the main GeoIP provider, afaik. You might want to try getting in contact with them.

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  51. hah i've been to durango by timmarhy · · Score: 1

    nice place, i went rafting there and then had some really nice beer brewed locally. i liked it so much i bought a gallon jar of it and i have it on my cabinet right now.

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    1. Re:hah i've been to durango by cwgatling · · Score: 1

      It's empty, right? :D

  52. It might be your regional settings by neile · · Score: 1

    If you're on a Windows machine it may have nothing to do with geolocation and everything to do with your regional settings. Go to Control Panel, Regional Settings (XP) or Regional and Language Options (Vista) and make sure your current format is English (United States) not English (Canada). Yes, I know it's odd to have Language Options instead of Location affect this, but it does.

    Neil

    1. Re:It might be your regional settings by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      That setting has effects on installed software on Windows, not on anything else. I am not in the UK, but I like all my programs to "think" that I'm English. So, I always choose UK as a location. My "geolocated ads" are always correct (as far as I have seen: they are at least located within my country).

      The only way it might affect the browsing experience is that your browser might say you're in locale de_DE and it decides that you speak German. So, if he sees French ads, his locale is at worst fr_CA, which is unlikely, he would have noticed somewhere else in the system.... Like multilingual software presenting itself in French upon installation.

  53. How to Clean Up Incorrect Geolocation Information? by kawabago · · Score: 1

    It hasn't been announced yet but GW Bush sold Colorado to Quebec for some magic beans. They'll be moving it some time next year.

  54. Check your Firefox locale setting by origamy · · Score: 1
    If you are using Firefox, go to about::config and change the value in general.useragent.locale.

    In my laptop, this value was set to en-GB and this was leading me to UK websites instead of American websites. Yours is probably set to something different than en-US.

    Hope this helps!

    1. Re:Check your Firefox locale setting by Detritus · · Score: 1

      Any application that would rely on that as an indication of geographic location is truly brain dead. It's not as if we still have to ask the lord's permission to leave the manor.

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  55. Is it possible... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    ...that your Yahoo account somehow got assigned to ".ca" instead of ".com"? As in: hyades1@yahoo.ca instead of hyades1@yahoo.com

    If that was your problem, you could be changing settings all over the place and none of it would help.

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  56. You want ads? by Malc · · Score: 1

    Did I read that right? You're complaining about the advertising? I don't care if it relevant or not, I'm not interested.

    I'm from Toronto but living in Shanghai. I get a mix of ads for Toronto, which are utterly pointless as I don't live there any more, and most of the others are in Chinese, which I can't read and so utterly pointless. What seems to break things most is that my browser is set for en-GB (and then en-CA followed by en)... how many websites force you to the wrong version based on this? Stupid programming - use it for localising the diplay. Yes Yahoo Mail, the American date format is irritating and confusing when you're the only exposure to it in my life. And then sites like Yahoo Mail and Facebook can't keep up with all my time zone-changes, or just screw things up completely when I travel.

    Advertising: intrusive waste of space.

  57. Why fix it? by ishmalius · · Score: 1

    Enjoy your relative privacy, and the fact that ads targeted at you are being routed elsewhere. I would love to have your predicament.

  58. We don't ship to New Mexico... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  59. no 100% correctness in the virtual world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cheat ur managers instead of making stds
    hahahaa

  60. Look at the bright side by aceofspades1217 · · Score: 1

    Now you can use Canadian torrent sites :P

    But seriously there isn't anything you can do. Talk to your ISP. They have all the power in this situation. But than again not sure if they can fix it. Obviously your the ISP is getting their internet from Canada and even though your registered router is in Canada most Geo Location sites are only region specific and don't do an accurate trace.

    They just try try to find the general area you live because doing a full trace for targeted ad is resource intensize. So pretty much no sites (besides adult friend finder) will get your location right.

  61. your isp needs to update arin's ip info by ilovecheese · · Score: 0

    I had the same thing recently here, as well. Your ISP will need to update the info in arin, and specify the country were the ip block is currently listed. When I got my latest batch of IP blocks from RIPE, I did the same thing. Takes about 30 days or so for the GeoIP database to be updated, I think they do it once a month.

    Once done, all should be ok. I was getting targeted ads for the period from which the netblock was assigned, all from The Netherlands. Give it a bit of time.

  62. My Oregon shuttle bus thinks it's in Canada too by Pvt_Waldo · · Score: 1

    I'm on a shuttle bus right now going between Portland and Corvallis Oregon, and Yahoo thinks I'm in Canada. Of course the fact that there IS wireless in this bus definitely makes the 2.5 hour ride a lot nicer :^)

    1. Re:My Oregon shuttle bus thinks it's in Canada too by karmic_penguin · · Score: 1

      I'll bet the Canuck wi-fi is nice, but do they really need all those obnoxious noises on their website? I feel like I'm standing on a landing strip.

  63. CA vs CYA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are two possible explanations that come to mind, though I'm not all-knowing, despite my pretenses.

    1) CA is both a State Code and a Country Code - California and Canada. Coincidence? Perhaps.

    2) Your ISP may be renting IP space from a larger Canadian provider and so, depending on what part of the whois is returned, the sites could believe you're from a different location.

    3) The internet has become so infected with spyware, it knows that withing the next few years, you will move to Canada and learn french... that's a possibility, ay?

  64. I had the same problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had AT&T Mobile's 3G "mobile broadband" service in the US, and some sites, including CBS.com would sometimes tell me that I couldn't view their site because I wasn't in the US, which makes me ask a few things:
    a.) Why would they care?
    b.) How do they know, based on my IP? they don't, they can guess. I could be using a proxy or something...
    c.) Since it was mobile broadband, they REALLY couldn't know, unless, you know, AT&T stored my location somewhere and let people access my HSDPA card's location based upon the IP address. And then they would know I was in Pennsylvania and show me the damned web site. Curiously, now that I'm in Japan, I can access cbs.com just fine.

    While I don't care so much about CBS.com, it took me to the wrong log-in page for my bank every time, etc. Since one of the main advantages of the internet is the ability to be free of physical boundries it seems... misguided to try to do geo-location even if it did work - and it doesn't.

  65. That sounds really tough by thegoldenear · · Score: 1

    "My ISP is at a loss as to how to fix this but it is causing me a lot of grief. Many of the ads I get shown on Yahoo! for instance are in French!"

    That sounds really tough.

  66. Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Amazon is one of the biggest providers of geo data, based on purchases made by their customers. Try make a few purchases on amazon with a few different names and see if it helps.

  67. Contact MaxMind by imrtt · · Score: 1
    The database likely comes from MaxMind. You can contact them here:

    http://www.maxmind.com/app/contact

    To confirm that their database is incorrect, here is a simple frontend to MaxMind's data:

    http://mapthisip.com/

  68. HostIP by jginspace · · Score: 1

    Use hostip.info. Everytime you reset your router go there and tell it where you are. Stop after you've done 10-20 subnets and wait a while. Hopefully the updates will propagate down to Maxmind and the others ... reasonably ... erm ... soon.

  69. IPligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try www.ipligence.com

    1. Re:IPligence by zorro6 · · Score: 1

      They have it correct.

  70. Using a web-proxy. by catwh0re · · Score: 1
    If you can find one, use a web proxy located closer to home. (Or set up one on your work internet account.)

    Alternatively, change ISPs.

  71. What Else Can They Do? by logicnazi · · Score: 1

    Given the legal differences between various localities what other option do they have than restricting all of our rights to the lowest common denominator. I mean other than geolocation how does ebay avoid WWII german memorabilia or copies of mein kampf in europe? As companies expand to have operations in more places with more and more restrictions they don't have a choice about obeying the local laws but I certainly don't want to have an internet only of stuff that's legal everywhere.

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  72. Can be caused by the strangest things... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had this exact problem 10 years ago with an AOL free trial. Only difference was, they wouldn't let me connect to the internet in the first place "because you are in Canada", despite it being dialup and me being on the other side of the Atlantic. This was also a classic-era Mac, with system extensions for everything and 24MB RAM. I had disabled the system help extension to save memory, and for some strange reason, AOL's dialler assumed "no help"=="Canada".

  73. Re:happened to me - WEATHERBUG sold you out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Top secret fact : Weatherbug, the very famous free service is actually a front end collector for accurate geolocator databases.

    That is why for years i have poluted Weatherbug by using fake zip codes 20 miles from me to try to ruin biusiness model.

    But someone used weatherbug in your microscopic town a few times in the last 10 years and now the ip address is perfectly locked in and resold to all the geolocators.

    You are doomed. You have been weatherbugged.

  74. Not unusual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My ISP in Ireland (Esat BT) picked up a new block of IP's which had been used by some backbone provider before. So depending on site, my IP was in the Netherlands, in London or in the US somewhere.

    If a site relies on such dodgy, guaranteed unreliable methods of trafficing people just imagine what they do with your personal data. Avoid them.

  75. AOL is the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back when my parents were on AOL, various websites stated we were in the US, that's a loong way from were I really am the UK!

  76. Re:happened to me - WEATHERBUG sold you out by freedumb2000 · · Score: 1

    Sounds plauseable, but do you have any sources/proof ?

  77. Use Google Sitemaps by The+MESMERIC · · Score: 0

    I think they have a tool there .. somewhere, for that.
    What do you mean by RTFA?

  78. Blame it on the Coloroado Nordiques by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean the Colorado Avalanche.

  79. It'll fix itself in a few months by farbles · · Score: 1

    This happened to me when my ISP bought some IP addresses from somewhere else. All the porn sites thought I was from a different country for about three months then it fixed itself.

  80. http://ask.slashdot.ca by felddy · · Score: 1

    B'y you're in a real kerfuffle. You might have better luck posting at http://ask.slashdot.ca/

  81. from the 123-fake-street dept. by anarkavre · · Score: 1

    Funny I just mentioned this reference on IRC a few days ago. I love you Slashdot. You make me feel all warm inside.

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    1. Re:from the 123-fake-street dept. by anarkavre · · Score: 1

      Funny, I just mentioned this reference on IRC a few days ago. I love you Slashdot. You make me feel all warm inside. I am a punctuation nazi.

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  82. Durango, CO is located at 37.267N, 107.867W by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Sacre-Blimey! They're on to us! Francois -- to the Bat-Sheep!"

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    Will Bat-Homme and Frenchy survive this assault on the Bat-Cave?
    Will the Evil Geoduck have the last laugh?
    Only their beautician knows for sure!

  83. "causing me a lot of grief" by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Because targeted spam is incorrect?

    WTF?

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  84. If I had my way. by KozmoKramer · · Score: 1

    No Location information would be available. They less that is known about me by a complete stranger, the better.

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  85. Check Maxmind by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    Most people use the MaxMind database for geolocation. You can download the DB for free and check if your IP subnet is incorrectly listed. If it is, wouldn't hurt to drop them an email.

    http;//www.maxmind.com

    That is where the error probably is. Unfortunately, they only update their database every quarter or so, and even then who knows when customers update their copy, so you will probably be seeing this problem for a long time.

  86. Just had to by gx5000 · · Score: 1

    I for one welcome our new French Canadian Overlords.
    May the Labatt and Molson reign over you for as long as it can.

    '-)

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    1. Re:Just had to by danzona · · Score: 1

      LaBatt is owned by Belgians and Molson is owned by Coors. Moosehead is Canadian! (but not French Canadian)

    2. Re:Just had to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Molson isn't owned by Coors. They merged into the Molson-Coors Brewing Company. Merger != buyout

    3. Re:Just had to by gx5000 · · Score: 1

      I know I know....
      I guess I'd need a time machine to feel good about reaching 45 years...
      But just because it's foreign owned doesn't mean it's not Canadian...
      If that's your yardstick, Canada is not Canadian either !!

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  87. Re: by clint999 · · Score: 0

    Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll feed himself for years. Hackers follow this model when giving support. Even if the asker gave such details, we'd likely show them how to figure out the answer themselves.
  88. DNS Loc by InvisiBill · · Score: 1

    http://www.ckdhr.com/dns-loc/howto.html

    You won't be able to fix it yourself, but the ISP should be able to configure their domain to indicate its proper location. A reverse lookup on your IP should then work as intended.

  89. This is an easy fix by Cytlid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Dear movielink, nvidia, {insert website here},

      Your website is broken. I live in Colorado and my IP is 1.2.3.4. If you don't believe me, my ISP is Joe's ISP and Tire Shack, Inc, just perform a quick whois on the information. I would suggest you contact whomever you use for geolocation information to have them correct it. ...

      Same information, not sent to Slashdot. If the people running the service don't respond to you, maybe they'll respond to a dozen companies who own the websites you go to. Remember, you're *their* customer, it's in their best interest to have your info correct.

      I used to work as a SysAdmin for an ISP, we acquired a new block of IPs which previously were owned by a nefarious spammer. I had to jump through hoops trying to convince some blacklists to remove us. Finally, when there was one list with zero contact information and it seemed to no longer have any management behind it, I called our customers (there were only about two) having issues emailing a particular state office. I called the state office and explained the situation, they whitelisted just the IP of our particular mail server.

      Think about solving the problem in a different way.

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    1. Re:This is an easy fix by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      Easier fix: find or run a proxy server.
      Added bonus: random strangers don't know your real location unless you want them to.

    2. Re:This is an easy fix by zorro6 · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes, yes. Try to go to Yahoo and find out who and how to actually contact anyone real. I dare you. You can type whatever you want into their little feedback form and hope someday someone sees it.

  90. Change to OpenDns or get isp to offer differentdns by nman4ever · · Score: 1

    Lots of geo location information is often based on the requesting DNS server. The popular webpage does a geo-location lookup of your DNS server location. A way around this is to use Open DNS or request your ISP offer an alternative DNS server based entirely, in your country & ensure that all geo data would point to the same country, e.g. United states, IP Allocation, RADB/RSPL/ARIN information etc etc.

  91. Local Language Settings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had this issue as well for some time after I moved from Canada to the US. I recently changed my language settings from English (Canada) to English (United States) on windows and surprisingly I have seen an improvement with this. Could be coincidence, but worth a try.

  92. Name the sites by Skapare · · Score: 1

    Certain sites won't sell me goods or services because they don't do business in Canada.

    Name the sites! We'll morph the Agent Smith template into Guido and send over a few thousand copies.

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    1. Re:Name the sites by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      Pandora and NBC are two biggies that I'd like to be able to use from Canada.

      Some Joost programming, too.

      Assuming there is any worth watching.

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  93. move by nategoose · · Score: 1

    Maybe you should just move to Canada, learn French, and be done with it!

  94. Google Maps also has geolocation problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I have a different, but similar google maps problem. My house number was grandfathered in as 116 xyz road. It should really be 372 xyz road. There is only a quarter mile field between me and 108 xyz road on my side, but on the other side of the road there are houses before mine in the 300 range.

    Most of my problems are with delivery drivers. They come down the road, see the other 300 numbered houses and think they have passed mine. I have tried on google maps to change the location but they never really do change it like they say they might.

  95. Re:Change to OpenDns or get isp to offer different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Er, right. Mod parent clueless

  96. Possible fix to your problem by fabbbie · · Score: 1

    Your provider probably has put new blocks online that have not been picked up by the provider of these websites. What is your provider plus your IP; i can check this. Please I do not need your exact IP only the first 3 octets eg: 62.100.201.xxx Thanks

  97. hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Til you get the problem fixed, just use a proxy server. Actually, sometimes using proxy servers can be good for this sort of stuff since it might make out of country folks look in country. I've read lots of people use proxies to see the bbc's iviewer by just using an anonymous proxy in the UK

  98. you *like* ads? by toby · · Score: 1

    Many of the ads I get shown on Yahoo! for instance are in French!

    Oh, I see - you'd prefer them in Spanish. *rimshot*

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  99. Re:Actually, contact Quova(Referring dns server 2) by nman4ever · · Score: 1

    yes you have a point there davenaff, also note that many top sites actually use dns referrer targeting which countries servers you get directed too. e.g. if your sending a request from a server that is obviously in canada, then likely send you the .ca server locations etc.

  100. Re:happened to me - WEATHERBUG sold you out by Jellybob · · Score: 1

    It's a Firefox plugin, if you've got installed you already have the source.

  101. use a proxy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    find a proxy service close by (or not so much) to do your business. (nearest large city would work)

  102. I have a solution that works well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought of the idea a while ago and have not officially launched it. I have developed a proof of concept that works and will gladly share the results of the data to the general public. The idea is simple:

    Provide someone with something useful based on location. If the location is wrong, let them change it.

    http://weather.globalhostllc.com

    This page will provide you with local weather based on your IP address.

  103. Geolocation at work by Thelasko · · Score: 1

    When my company set up an office in Canada, the IT staff set up a VPN to connect the two offices. Unfortunately, they accidentally routed all US HTTP traffic through the Canadian office. All of the sudden we were all forwarded to Google.ca.

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  104. Stating the obvious by turkeyfish · · Score: 1

    Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.

    Teach a man to fish, and he'll feed himself for years.

    Teach a man to fish and he will create a fishery that will soon be depleted.

  105. Re:happened to me - WEATHERBUG sold you out by Hyppy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I googled this myself out of curiosity, but could find none.

    I was surprised to see, however, that they seem relatively legitimate. They have 8,000 of their own weather monitors, and even the National Weather Service has signed on to use some of Weatherbug's weather tracking data in some fashion.

  106. Anonymous Coward. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *cough* proxy *cough*

  107. DNS LOC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get your ISP to add DNS LOC records to the DNS.

    LOC records exist so that ISPs (or, at least, hostmasters, can add longitude and lattitude-based location information, either at the zone or record level.

    The major players already mentioned will use LOC information as part of their mapping process.

  108. Plano, Texas by ukemike · · Score: 1

    I use statcounter.com to track use on my websites. I noticed that when I access my own sites from work, statcounter tells me that I was in Plano, Texas. I've only been in Texas once. I've noticed since then that LOTS of surfers are apparently from Plano, Texas. I'm guessing that some major ISP has a big operation there.

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  109. Re:Wording: 'Money' makes the geolocation get fixe by richardkelleher · · Score: 1

    While you are at it, cc a few of the advertisers who are paying Yahoo to target you incorrectly with their ads. They are more able to put pressure on Yahoo to fix the problem, being the source of the cash in question.

    Maybe you could get one of the bilingual members here to translate the message to French for you. (Assuming their bi are the correct linguals.)

  110. Re: by clint999 · · Score: 0

    There are two widely used geolocation services which should be your starting point:MaxMinds and IP2Location .I would contact them and get them to update their records, especially MaxMind, as they are probably the most widely used geolocation service on the Internet.
  111. Here's the demo by wbean · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those who want to try it, here's a link to the demo page http://www.maxmind.com/app/lookup_city. (And note the link to check your own IP in the bottom right :)

  112. Do you really want ads? by Simon+Huet · · Score: 1

    I think you should be glad to get ads in French. At least you don't understand them. Think about getting AdBlock, you won't even notice that.

  113. Re:Quoi? Ã by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    français

  114. Blame your hockey team by mlheur · · Score: 1

    Someone from the Avalanche probably put in their old address when signing up for some online service and set the whole range to QC.
    As for fixing it, sorry, can't help you.

  115. Funny joke... by WebCowboy · · Score: 1

    ...but there might be some insight in this post too.

    The "192.168.1.101" thing might be a funny joke, but NAT routing and proxies along the way do indeed interfere with geolocation. This can happen even if you have a proper public IP address that by all appearances comes from a local netblock.

    For example, when I use my work computer at home, geolocation correctly identifies me as being in Alberta, Canada. Though my office is also in Alberta, when I use the very same notebook there it days I am in Wisconsin, USA. This is the case even though the public-facing internet addresses in our office are very obviously Canadian.

    It isn't good enough to do "ifconfig" or "ipconfig" and figure out the IP address you have locally--it isn't even good enough to get the IP address of your gateway or the public IP address of your NAT router, because there may in fact be proxies, VPNs and the like. In my case we are a branch office in Canada for a parent company with its network operations centred in Wisconsin. Though local tools indicate local IP addresses, a proxy address different from anything on our local systems shows up when you go to a page that reports your IP address or hostname. This even happens when I log into the Citadel server in my home from my office--the "who's online" returns me with the hostname of a proxy server.

    I wonder if this person has tried going to one of those sites that shows your hostname or IP address as its servers can determine. If you are using a small wi-fi ISP in that quite sparsely populated "4 corners" region of the US then there could be one or two levels of service providers above them yet, with all sorts of proxies and virtual networks and traffic-shaping gateways in between you and the 'net.

  116. Contact Yahoo! by Neanderthal+Ninny · · Score: 1

    You need to contact Yahoo! about correcting the old data they have about this IP address because I think Yahoo! may use their own whois data a. Ehh! You should check several third party systems to check if whois data has propagated to all of servers in the world properly. You can use these websites to check:
    http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp
    http://www.internic.net/whois.html
    http://uwhois.com/
    http://www.whois.net/
    If you see one that is out of sync then you need to contact that registry server/db owner and tell them to update that data.
    I remember I updated my whois data for my company several months ago and occasionally I find a backwater server that still has the old whois information and depending who they are I'll contact them to update their server/db.

  117. President Scroob? by blueZ3 · · Score: 1

    You're wanted aboard Spaceball One immediately! And I'll have someone change the IP address of your luggage :-)

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  118. Locale Settings on the Computer by yasny_jp · · Score: 1

    I've noticed that changing the locale settings of the PC can affect what ads are displayed. I'm in the US but I run my Mac in Japanese mode and I regularly see adds for things in Japan. (At least, Adult Friend Finder thinks I'm in Japan... I didn't know there were so many hot foreign women living there!) I haven't tested on Windows, but I think running a different language browser (for example, Japanese Firefox on an English Windows) will also cause this problem. I'm guessing some sites look at the user agent of the browser for language settings.

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  119. Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brilliant, and there we have the answer to both the original poster's question and the GP!

  120. I had a similar problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a few months ago. My ISP, though, is a major ISP in this region (Ohio), which is why it was surprising. Per both Yahoo and Google websites, I was in Germany! I have to admit, it was interesting seeing the ads. The problem was ultimately resolved after I sent an email to Google. (I tried previously with my ISP, but that ended with no resolution.) They created a work order for me, worked it, and then asked for feedback afterward. So, if nothing else works, contact Google.

  121. Content-negotiation problem, not geolocation. by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1

    It's localization and language problem, not a geolocation problem. Where you are or where they think you are has nothing to do with the problem. Quebec is officially bilingual English and French, so while you are correct in that the services like Yahoo! are wrong to serve you French ads, it's because they are ignoring your browser's language preference settings.

    Many other countries and regions have more than one official language. It's pathetic to see the slow, steady evaporation of technical knowledge in the market. Ten years ago, anyone and everyone working with WWW services knew how to deal with user-specified language preferences and, where more than one language was required, used the HTTP content negotiation. It's very easy in Apache to support this HTTP function. For Lighttpd you need a lua script, but that too is easy. For Yahoo or Google, they have their own home grown HTTP servers, so have to file a bug report directly with them.

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  122. Re: and with Comcast... by Douglas+Goodall · · Score: 1

    I live on the Central California coast in Santa Maria and my ISP Comcast shows as being east of Oakland. I guess it depends on where your Internet provider leaves their private network and hits the public Internet.