This thing could even be a life saver.. If you implement it into company cars like cabs (and touring busses, an hot issue in Europe at the moment) I guess it could also detect if the driver is under influence (not only alcohol but drugs as well, which is an extremely good thing(tm) IMO) since this can save lives.
iirc it should be theoreticly possible to detect if a person is getting tired beyond the state in which he, or she, is able to drive. This would sure make vacations by bus a lot safer (note; there have been 2 major bus accidents in Europe recently and in both cases it was due to the driver falling asleep).
so maybe if Debian FIXED their methods and procedures so that upgrades to stable packages were easy to get without switching distros
Make sure/etc/apt/sources.lists contains a list of servers and also tell it too use the 'stable' and 'frozen' flavor. After that your done. I wonder about your 'more easy' part; can't find anything more easy then "apt-get distupgrade" myself.
In the early days I'd open up a DOS box and did 'diskcopy a: b:' or 'scan c:\uploads' and stuff like that because this was the fastest thing to do. When other people finally opened 'my computer' to copy a disk mine was allready reading the sourcedisk. But I guess we now have to adapt to the speed Windows can handle. In this case; slowing down big time.
After all winNT hasn't included a true dos for a heck of a long time
Try formatting a diskette with WinNT 4.0 and then check the bootrecord of that floppy. You'll notice that it was formated using MS-DOS 5.0. Their DOS may not be complete, as in lacking autoexec.bat and stuff (the files, not the options they offer), but it sure is as real as it gets.
Personally I don't think this is going to happen. There are just to many glitches in the law, and besides that; this is quite a major topic. I kinda find the theory interesting though; if it would turn out this way I wonder what would happen with companies which produce operating systems (ok,ok: I'm focussing on Microsoft).
But that would also be a good example of why it doesn't work (IMHO). Care to track down all Linux developers and sue 'm? I don't even want to consider the effort and amount of money that would take.
That was basicly exactly what the first poster said yet you told him he was wrong. But now you're telling me exactly the same again. Anyway; the church took offence in him making those calculations. Therefor he was punished for making those calculations, nothing more and nothing less.
*sigh* It's not a threat, it's just how it is. Read the Bible if you don't believe me.
I did. Problem; the bible can tell me anything I want to hear. You'll find stories about people getting condemned for trading and in other sections will find stories about people who's complete success is based upon making money. And there's allways the fact that even the Bible was written by mere mortals. So basicly you're telling me again that your ways are a fact yet you still fail to hand proof.
After all it is far better than to suffer on Earth and go to heaven than to life a comfortable life here and then suffer eternal damnation in Hell isn't it?
That heavily depends on what you call heaven and hell. And my friend; you can't tell me whats heaven nor whats hell since all descriptions were, once again, given by mere mortals. I hate to repeat but it still boils down to you guys threatening me and I take offence to that.
You are in error. The church did not execute Galileo because of his calculations, but instead because he was using them to attack religion.
Attacking? Thats a load of crap; he was merely telling the common people (most could not read nor write, while the wealthy church however...) about his findings. In other words; handing them a clue that there were more sides and points of view then just the one the church told about. And thats something the church could not handle; freedom of speech? The idea alone... Nohoo; let the people remain clueless, don't want to loose the income they provide.
Nonsense. You have "faith" in science don't you?
Ehmz, offcourse not. I do have some confidence in the people working on this matter. science is nothing more then to study, come up with theories and backup those theories with proof.
Faith is required for following the path of the Lord and being allowed into Heaven. It's not required, but the consequences of its lack is eternal damnation.
I take serious offence in the way you morons threaten the rest of the community with this loaded piece of crap. Its the same old story and I guess you dumbo's will never grow up; you can't force people anymore into believing the things you seem fit. In this aspect you are no better then your ordinary dictator. Those dictators can still use drastic measures to enforce their will, but we can be very gratefull that we took away that kind of power from the likes of you a long time ago. Please don't forget that the main reason for doing so was the fact you morons could not handle it; you killed and tortured people because they didn't believe the things you did.
Religion; the best way to justify ordinary dictatorship.
No bashing intended here but I truly do not understand the purpose of releasing commercial beta code unless... Unless they want to use all their users to do their work for 'm, to a certain extent at least. Don't get me wrong; I'm not claiming that this is a bad thing, I do find it odd. Especially if people go out and test the beta and finally will purchase the boxed set. The least RH could do is grant those users a small refund or another small gesture for their hard work.
But then again; I also can't understand why people buy Microsoft beta's and participate in the testing. MS is afaik the only company which can test a beta and make money out of it as well.
Considering *NIX is the home of the CLI it seems strange that KDE is so keyboard-unfriendly...
Ahh, but KDE has nothing to do with *NIX except that it runs on top of it. Why not try running WindowMaker instead? iirc thats a window manager which capable of doing allmost everything with the keyboard. Like allways; choose software which works for you, not because all your friends seem to like it.;)
Read/. recently? After a k|dd|3 is in any simple r00tk|t can erase his actions from the logs. If the admin was a dork for letting him in in the first place & firing his DoS without noticing him (remember; I was the one warning them about it) I doubt he is capable to track the kiddie down. Any moron would notice the loss of bandwith IMHO.
Obviously, and as usual, this will only be limited to the American version of CN I guess... I hope they will get to their senses one day and also show the Europeans better cartoons than giving us 24/7 reruns of old Hanna Barbara cartoons which get pretty boring after seeing them run for a zillion times.
Artist makes money out of CD sale, CD sales drop, artist is forced to find alternatives, artist fails and finds a career being a bookstore holder, end of story; no more music. IMHO any loss because of this is a waste.
They should be pressuring the RIAA to change their practices.
Then ask them to instead of trying to force them into doing something they may not even want to do in the first place. Who are you to tell those people what to do? Don't forget that the RIAA still protects their interests, at least thats what most will think anyway. In either way; you are hurting them and still expect them to take your side? I call that being very naief.
. I don't see how a consumer boycott is bad but ripping off fans is good.
Ripping off? IMHO thats a complete different issue. If you feel being ripped off then don't buy their records. No one is forcing you to do so. And if you really want to make a difference write letters to the artists in question and tell him or her how you (preferably a lot) feel about the whole issue and that you feel ripped off. That way you'll give the artist the choice and you will surely know if the artist really gives a damn about his/her fans or just likes the money.
Thats a whole lot different then just stating "I don't like the RIAA so they'll just have to pay, to bad about the artists but they should have picked a better company". You can call it whatever you like but that doesn't change the thing you are doing.
The Artists will end up deciding the outcome. Right now the RIAA has them in hand, but perhaps if they felt the effects of a boycott, they would be more willing to break the chains that bind them.
Ahh, but that choice isn't allways for them to make. People have contracts you know. And not all artists can afford to buy of these contracts. So if you would take this theory one step further you'd make it even worse. The, allready, rich artists might be able to go elsewhere but there would be plenty of artists who are not (financialy) capable of doing this. So we should just ignore them and get ready to ruin their careers alltogether?
I assume you're talking about kuro5hin and saying they are lusers
On the contrary... I'm referring to all the idiots who hook up a server to the internet but miss the knowledge to secure it well enough to keep the kiddies out. IMHO its idiots like that who cause much of the DoS grief. They don't know how to setup their machines so others can mis-use them to start DoS attacks.
To clear any misunderstanding; I call the administrators of the machines which are sending out those DoS packets total morons for not having the clue to secure their machines.
Sure, lets all stop buying any CD's they produce and all cheer about the new happy free world. Haleluja!
Offcourse there is still the small problem of artists who will suddenly see their income drop because people want to hear 'm but now stop buying their CD's alltogether. Is this how you treat the artists? C'mon try and use your brains; this won't help us one bit. On the contrary. How will the artists think of Napster and others when this whole "napster affair" causes them to loose their income? I doubt that artists who now feel positive or not-all-negative about Napster will continue to do the same.
Nah, use your brains and get 'm where it truly hurts. Don't make the artist become the scapegoat.
Being a very satisfied Debian user for a decent amount of time (I switched from RedHat two days after I upgraded from 6.1 to 6.2) I can only say one thing...
Beat that (RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake, Corel, Caldera and all the other commercial distro's around)! This proofs to me that the Debian distro truly is focused on the people using and developing it. Personally I don't see this happen in any of the commercial distro's. Sure; a name change can be very easy to do. But when the whole marketing strategy is completely setup it would cost money and in those cases I don't think that "commercial respect / admiration" will have the same 'impact' as personal admiration.
Don't get me wrong; You can't judge a distro by this gesture but you can sure see what kind of people are working on it.
I agree but does that solve anything where DoS is concerned? I don't think it will. Offcourse there will be enough weenies who suddenly get very nerveous about the idea that their real IP adresses can be traced. But so what? There are a dozen free ISP's out there which you can use. If one account gets traced use another! And then there is the tracing. I don't believe that a server which has been hacked to install a DoS exploit will be capable of reproducing logs which lead to the attacker. Incapable if the rootkit used by the kiddie fixed that offcourse. Personally I strongly doubt if those kiddies are capable of manually removing these traces in the logfiles.
Sounds kinda nice but let me get this right; I'm tracing the origin of the DoS flood. In other words; this will lead me to one of the, in most cases, many servers which are sending me this flood. What good will that do me? Sure, I know which company has a h4x0r3d server and I can tell them that their server flooded me but this won't resolve the issue. C'mon; there are millions of servers out there. If I can trace one and even let them shut it down the script kiddie can have 5 others in no time. Happy tracing!!
No, I've said it before in an earlier post; the only way to solve this IMHO is to let the Hosting providers come together and setup a guideline / rule for all servers being hosted. If they don't meet the security limits its either done for them or bye bye. When these people will stop thinking about money all the time and also give a little bit more consideration to the Net our troubles would reduce enormously.
It goes against everything our legal system was built for.
Easily said but this heavily depends on the side that you are on. The legal system did manage to put a stop to the illegal copying of all the music circulating. So for the record companies the system is working quite well.
Napster has always taken the position that it is about building a community. This means we band together and we care about the future and we care about the issues larger than ourselves.
No offence but that sounds very naief to me. Face it; most people don't know or don't even give a damn about this. For them its just an easy and cheap way to grab some music. Nothing more, nothing less.
Before I go on; this whole article consists of some speculation allthough I'm convinced about some parts of the story. And as allways its merely my own opinion...
Many people ask themselves why and iirc some organisations are even spending thousands of dollars on it 'cause they want to know what could motivate a person to do something like this. In this case its a site which isn't as well known as, shall we say, Amazon but IMHO much (maybe most) of the DoS attacks done by 5cr|py lus3r5 are solely for that oh so burning feeling of having control and having power over something. I know; nothing new here.
The only problem with having control and power is the question if you are capable of dealing with it. Those DoS attacks proof to me that the most kiddies doing it aren't capable of handeling anything what so ever. Most are just loosers, nothing more, nothing less. And yes; this is easilly said but gimme a change to explain myself... In most cases starting up a DoS takes nothing more then knowing how to operate a program. Installing the exploit on some servers is in many (maybe even all) cases much easier then people claim it is. There are millions of servers on the net and not all of them are secured in the way they ought to be. If you really want a good amount of servers to attack someone you don't want to spend to much time on breaking into one. Heck; the longer it takes to set up / prepare your "DoS cluster" the higher the risk that your exploit gets discovered, allthough on some servers this risk isn't there alltogether. And once we're done its picking a target and voila.
Is this 3l33t? Nay, but this probably is the best these morons are capable off. If you can't beat 'm make their lives miserable. Dunno how to hack your way into a computer system? Disable it. Sure, it is a felony these d00ds are commiting but IMHO they don't deserve all the blaim. The more you mention them the more 3l33t they feel.
So why focus on the messenger while the real problems lies elsewhere? Everyone with a small piece of understanding knows where the problems lie yet no-one seems to care enough to do something against it. Hosting providers could make a start by checking the systems being put online. If it meets the security approval it can be placed online. When the system is one big security hole; tough luck. I truly believe this is technically possible. Only problem we are facing now is money and competition. If one hosting provider would start by setting up security "seals of approval" you can be sure it'll go bankrupt 'cause the competition won't.
And thats why I feel that those organisations are the real persons responsible. Not only that but they seem narrow minded as well. If they would invest the time and money (the money lost by customers who aren't capable nor willing to secure their box(es)) they would make the Net more secure while still keeping control of the freedom we are having now. If they don't then I'm pretty sure that one day a politician will get a brainwave and will "make" the goverment kick in and enforce all of this. I don't have to tell you that the latter option will probably bring more then just a "safer Internet". The more important the Net is becoming the higher the chances this scenario will unfold IMHO.
Is the future of the Internet a place where only the most well-monied companies can afford to defend themselves
If that were the case then sites like yahoo and amazon didn't have to cope with this as well. As long as clueless lusers can hookup a machine on the Net and feeling extremely c00l about it you'll be facing problems like these. Lusers like that who aren't even capable of securing their iMac with one mouseclick (no offence intended at iMac here, just naming it due to its user friendlyness).
What seperates these lusers from the rest? They have the money to afford themselved being on the net 24/7 (T1?) unfortunatly don't have the brains for it.
Are you sure that those failures are due to the client or the whole setup itself? I've seen quite a lot of people shutting down their computers when a download was running. Offcourse those downloads failed but IMHO you can't blaim the whole napster concept for it.
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iirc it should be theoreticly possible to detect if a person is getting tired beyond the state in which he, or she, is able to drive. This would sure make vacations by bus a lot safer (note; there have been 2 major bus accidents in Europe recently and in both cases it was due to the driver falling asleep).
Make sure /etc/apt/sources.lists contains a list of servers and also tell it too use the 'stable' and 'frozen' flavor. After that your done. I wonder about your 'more easy' part; can't find anything more easy then "apt-get distupgrade" myself.
In the early days I'd open up a DOS box and did 'diskcopy a: b:' or 'scan c:\uploads' and stuff like that because this was the fastest thing to do. When other people finally opened 'my computer' to copy a disk mine was allready reading the sourcedisk. But I guess we now have to adapt to the speed Windows can handle. In this case; slowing down big time.
Try formatting a diskette with WinNT 4.0 and then check the bootrecord of that floppy. You'll notice that it was formated using MS-DOS 5.0. Their DOS may not be complete, as in lacking autoexec.bat and stuff (the files, not the options they offer), but it sure is as real as it gets.
But that would also be a good example of why it doesn't work (IMHO). Care to track down all Linux developers and sue 'm? I don't even want to consider the effort and amount of money that would take.
That was basicly exactly what the first poster said yet you told him he was wrong. But now you're telling me exactly the same again. Anyway; the church took offence in him making those calculations. Therefor he was punished for making those calculations, nothing more and nothing less.
*sigh* It's not a threat, it's just how it is. Read the Bible if you don't believe me.
I did. Problem; the bible can tell me anything I want to hear. You'll find stories about people getting condemned for trading and in other sections will find stories about people who's complete success is based upon making money. And there's allways the fact that even the Bible was written by mere mortals. So basicly you're telling me again that your ways are a fact yet you still fail to hand proof.
After all it is far better than to suffer on Earth and go to heaven than to life a comfortable life here and then suffer eternal damnation in Hell isn't it?
That heavily depends on what you call heaven and hell. And my friend; you can't tell me whats heaven nor whats hell since all descriptions were, once again, given by mere mortals. I hate to repeat but it still boils down to you guys threatening me and I take offence to that.
Attacking? Thats a load of crap; he was merely telling the common people (most could not read nor write, while the wealthy church however...) about his findings. In other words; handing them a clue that there were more sides and points of view then just the one the church told about. And thats something the church could not handle; freedom of speech? The idea alone... Nohoo; let the people remain clueless, don't want to loose the income they provide.
Nonsense. You have "faith" in science don't you?
Ehmz, offcourse not. I do have some confidence in the people working on this matter. science is nothing more then to study, come up with theories and backup those theories with proof.
Faith is required for following the path of the Lord and being allowed into Heaven. It's not required, but the consequences of its lack is eternal damnation.
I take serious offence in the way you morons threaten the rest of the community with this loaded piece of crap. Its the same old story and I guess you dumbo's will never grow up; you can't force people anymore into believing the things you seem fit. In this aspect you are no better then your ordinary dictator. Those dictators can still use drastic measures to enforce their will, but we can be very gratefull that we took away that kind of power from the likes of you a long time ago. Please don't forget that the main reason for doing so was the fact you morons could not handle it; you killed and tortured people because they didn't believe the things you did.
Religion; the best way to justify ordinary dictatorship.
But then again; I also can't understand why people buy Microsoft beta's and participate in the testing. MS is afaik the only company which can test a beta and make money out of it as well.
Ehmz, IMHO its dead when people stop pounding on its chest.
Ahh, but KDE has nothing to do with *NIX except that it runs on top of it. Why not try running WindowMaker instead? iirc thats a window manager which capable of doing allmost everything with the keyboard. Like allways; choose software which works for you, not because all your friends seem to like it. ;)
Read /. recently? After a k|dd|3 is in any simple r00tk|t can erase his actions from the logs. If the admin was a dork for letting him in in the first place & firing his DoS without noticing him (remember; I was the one warning them about it) I doubt he is capable to track the kiddie down. Any moron would notice the loss of bandwith IMHO.
Obviously, and as usual, this will only be limited to the American version of CN I guess... I hope they will get to their senses one day and also show the Europeans better cartoons than giving us 24/7 reruns of old Hanna Barbara cartoons which get pretty boring after seeing them run for a zillion times.
Artist makes money out of CD sale, CD sales drop, artist is forced to find alternatives, artist fails and finds a career being a bookstore holder, end of story; no more music. IMHO any loss because of this is a waste.
Then ask them to instead of trying to force them into doing something they may not even want to do in the first place. Who are you to tell those people what to do? Don't forget that the RIAA still protects their interests, at least thats what most will think anyway. In either way; you are hurting them and still expect them to take your side? I call that being very naief.
. I don't see how a consumer boycott is bad but ripping off fans is good.
Ripping off? IMHO thats a complete different issue. If you feel being ripped off then don't buy their records. No one is forcing you to do so. And if you really want to make a difference write letters to the artists in question and tell him or her how you (preferably a lot) feel about the whole issue and that you feel ripped off. That way you'll give the artist the choice and you will surely know if the artist really gives a damn about his/her fans or just likes the money.
Thats a whole lot different then just stating "I don't like the RIAA so they'll just have to pay, to bad about the artists but they should have picked a better company". You can call it whatever you like but that doesn't change the thing you are doing.
Ahh, but that choice isn't allways for them to make. People have contracts you know. And not all artists can afford to buy of these contracts. So if you would take this theory one step further you'd make it even worse. The, allready, rich artists might be able to go elsewhere but there would be plenty of artists who are not (financialy) capable of doing this. So we should just ignore them and get ready to ruin their careers alltogether?
On the contrary... I'm referring to all the idiots who hook up a server to the internet but miss the knowledge to secure it well enough to keep the kiddies out. IMHO its idiots like that who cause much of the DoS grief. They don't know how to setup their machines so others can mis-use them to start DoS attacks.
To clear any misunderstanding; I call the administrators of the machines which are sending out those DoS packets total morons for not having the clue to secure their machines.
Offcourse there is still the small problem of artists who will suddenly see their income drop because people want to hear 'm but now stop buying their CD's alltogether. Is this how you treat the artists? C'mon try and use your brains; this won't help us one bit. On the contrary. How will the artists think of Napster and others when this whole "napster affair" causes them to loose their income? I doubt that artists who now feel positive or not-all-negative about Napster will continue to do the same.
Nah, use your brains and get 'm where it truly hurts. Don't make the artist become the scapegoat.
Beat that (RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake, Corel, Caldera and all the other commercial distro's around)! This proofs to me that the Debian distro truly is focused on the people using and developing it. Personally I don't see this happen in any of the commercial distro's. Sure; a name change can be very easy to do. But when the whole marketing strategy is completely setup it would cost money and in those cases I don't think that "commercial respect / admiration" will have the same 'impact' as personal admiration.
Don't get me wrong; You can't judge a distro by this gesture but you can sure see what kind of people are working on it.
I agree but does that solve anything where DoS is concerned? I don't think it will. Offcourse there will be enough weenies who suddenly get very nerveous about the idea that their real IP adresses can be traced. But so what? There are a dozen free ISP's out there which you can use. If one account gets traced use another! And then there is the tracing. I don't believe that a server which has been hacked to install a DoS exploit will be capable of reproducing logs which lead to the attacker. Incapable if the rootkit used by the kiddie fixed that offcourse. Personally I strongly doubt if those kiddies are capable of manually removing these traces in the logfiles.
No, I've said it before in an earlier post; the only way to solve this IMHO is to let the Hosting providers come together and setup a guideline / rule for all servers being hosted. If they don't meet the security limits its either done for them or bye bye. When these people will stop thinking about money all the time and also give a little bit more consideration to the Net our troubles would reduce enormously.
Easily said but this heavily depends on the side that you are on. The legal system did manage to put a stop to the illegal copying of all the music circulating. So for the record companies the system is working quite well.
No offence but that sounds very naief to me. Face it; most people don't know or don't even give a damn about this. For them its just an easy and cheap way to grab some music. Nothing more, nothing less.
Many people ask themselves why and iirc some organisations are even spending thousands of dollars on it 'cause they want to know what could motivate a person to do something like this. In this case its a site which isn't as well known as, shall we say, Amazon but IMHO much (maybe most) of the DoS attacks done by 5cr|py lus3r5 are solely for that oh so burning feeling of having control and having power over something. I know; nothing new here.
The only problem with having control and power is the question if you are capable of dealing with it. Those DoS attacks proof to me that the most kiddies doing it aren't capable of handeling anything what so ever. Most are just loosers, nothing more, nothing less. And yes; this is easilly said but gimme a change to explain myself... In most cases starting up a DoS takes nothing more then knowing how to operate a program. Installing the exploit on some servers is in many (maybe even all) cases much easier then people claim it is. There are millions of servers on the net and not all of them are secured in the way they ought to be. If you really want a good amount of servers to attack someone you don't want to spend to much time on breaking into one. Heck; the longer it takes to set up / prepare your "DoS cluster" the higher the risk that your exploit gets discovered, allthough on some servers this risk isn't there alltogether. And once we're done its picking a target and voila.
Is this 3l33t? Nay, but this probably is the best these morons are capable off. If you can't beat 'm make their lives miserable. Dunno how to hack your way into a computer system? Disable it. Sure, it is a felony these d00ds are commiting but IMHO they don't deserve all the blaim. The more you mention them the more 3l33t they feel.
So why focus on the messenger while the real problems lies elsewhere? Everyone with a small piece of understanding knows where the problems lie yet no-one seems to care enough to do something against it. Hosting providers could make a start by checking the systems being put online. If it meets the security approval it can be placed online. When the system is one big security hole; tough luck. I truly believe this is technically possible. Only problem we are facing now is money and competition. If one hosting provider would start by setting up security "seals of approval" you can be sure it'll go bankrupt 'cause the competition won't.
And thats why I feel that those organisations are the real persons responsible. Not only that but they seem narrow minded as well. If they would invest the time and money (the money lost by customers who aren't capable nor willing to secure their box(es)) they would make the Net more secure while still keeping control of the freedom we are having now. If they don't then I'm pretty sure that one day a politician will get a brainwave and will "make" the goverment kick in and enforce all of this. I don't have to tell you that the latter option will probably bring more then just a "safer Internet". The more important the Net is becoming the higher the chances this scenario will unfold IMHO.
If that were the case then sites like yahoo and amazon didn't have to cope with this as well. As long as clueless lusers can hookup a machine on the Net and feeling extremely c00l about it you'll be facing problems like these. Lusers like that who aren't even capable of securing their iMac with one mouseclick (no offence intended at iMac here, just naming it due to its user friendlyness).
What seperates these lusers from the rest? They have the money to afford themselved being on the net 24/7 (T1?) unfortunatly don't have the brains for it.
Are you sure that those failures are due to the client or the whole setup itself? I've seen quite a lot of people shutting down their computers when a download was running. Offcourse those downloads failed but IMHO you can't blaim the whole napster concept for it.