average british bobby may directly earn 45k a year but the real actual cost with benefits, equipment etc is significantly more. 6 policeman x 3 spots is unlikely to cover such extensive surveillance. add at least another couple of people per shift and support, equipment etc. 18 million actually seems extraordinarily cheap. it is also in dollars not pounds, so about 12 million pounds.
considering the number of people deployed for this for around the clock surveillance, the support staff and equipment this actually sounds insanely cheap. I wonder if they have actually left off some of the costs to reduce the embarrassment.
yep, considering the brand lock in I would say it is the exact opposite of a burner. It is extremely highly priced, especially with a myriad of cheap sub $100 smart phones available.
It is actually getting pretty bad here now. Slashdot has always been fairly anti MS, but usually with good reason and people that had some basic skills in explaining why. the amount of crap posts you see nowadays is really a little unfathomable. I personally associate it with the next generation of users that don't seem to have any social skills to argue their case beyond spewing hate.
geez if you don't understand basic words then at least learn to google. customers and consumers can be the same or a consumer may actually not be a customer. Not sure what sader, that you posted that or that you spent the time posting it rather than spend 5 seconds doing a google search.
most of the world don't give a shit about the MS telemetry (wrongly or rightly), they care about functionality. What you are missing is you can't see past your own concerns to look at what consumers actually care about.
how many does it take to flood the system?. I would expect in a relatively small volume to be extremely problematic tying up a considerable number of staff, after all they can't just hang up on the person immediately as it could be someone injured struggling to speak or someone in trouble silently dialing in the hope of someone listening in and providing assistance.
maths fail. it is not 4.91% of a billion machines. it is 4.91% of their market share, which is less than 100,000. So at best that is 4.9 million, in reality much much lower.
It might be windows! or it might be some farted while typing the price in at the factory! or more likely it might be that we are mid migration to DDR4 or that there is a lot of competition with no recent natural disasters impacting production or it might be that memory requirements simply haven't escalated much in the past decade beyond around 4GB for most users or it might be that PC's purchased in the last 5 or so years are still more than powerful enough for anything a user does or more likely a combination of all of the above. What a fucking retarded article correlation DOES NOT equal causation
I lived for some years in Oz, and I can confirm that Aussies often show that they like you by having a dig at you. The correct response is to have a dig back at them.
In American terms, Aussies like to tease each other quite a lot, and it's considered entirely normal there.
exactly! we see a lot of the same trouble with americans (not all) but definitely a group that has trouble culturally adjusting. My wife had a hell of a time adjusting too when she moved to Australia. For the first year she was constantly offended when I had a dig at her or when someone else did, thankfully I finally got her over that and now she just fires right back at the person with a smile.
Microsoft has chosen this hill to die on; so be it!
die on? so far their surface offerings are performing massively well, so well that google and apple have been copying what they are doing. the sp4 looks like an exceptionally well built high specced machine, most of the execs where I work have replaced their ipads for surfaces and while the phones I think are still dead the surfaces are doing gang busters in enterprises as they are light, powerful and allow people to actually do real work rather than just consume media.
Of course this is a *problem* for MS, this is causing their partners to be at least somewhat concerned. I think getting dug in too hard into hardware is a mistake for MS. They overwhelmed Apple with partners to win in the past, trying to beat apple at their own game seems perilous.
It was a necessary thing. The oem's had shown complete unwillingness to compete on the high end with Apple and instead were ceding that market in exchange for fighting for the basement low cost high volume offerings. The high end offerings they were coming up with were while quite often performant were uninspiring.
I would go a step further and say that any company or research making such an out of context claim should be avoided at all costs. If they can't understand the context of such a basic statement then I seriously don't want to rely on them for anything else.
it won't be 10's of thousands, it will be in the hundreds of thousands or more likely a million+ kilometres of cable needed if you actually expect to hook up houses. remember the northern territory alone is around 1.5 million square kilometres and that is not even half of the area you need to cover. There are people in NT where there driveway alone can be 100km, you could be averaging close to a million dollars a house to hook them up to fibre in a lot of areas.
1.5 billion USD would not even make a dent in the cost of the amount of fibre you would need to cover people in outback Australia. even replacing the satellites every 10 years would likely be a huge saving by comparison.
while I don't agree with much that is being done with the NBN (under this or the previous government). It would be a FUCK load cheaper for the satellite solution than running fibre. I don't think you have any concept of just how sparsely populated most of Australia is, especially in the outback it can be a 100+ km to your neighbour, you have tiny communities of just a handful of people. running fibre to all these places would cost exponentially more than these very overpriced satellites.
So you jump from one fallacious argument to another one to try and justify the behavior. Freedom of the press is not the same as civil disobedience which is not the same as a company ignoring laws.
Can we not take each situation on it's merits, rather than throwing around sheep of various types? I feel ambiguous about Uber, I understand that government regulations are supposed to be for my protection. And yet Uber offers a better service. I think the regulations probably need an overhaul. I can't help but think that the furore is mostly sour grapes from a taxi industry that doesn't want to be challenged.
No I don't believe we can. Companies don't get to make decisions on what laws to obey, I don't believe their is any fuzzy or grey area here. Not saying I agree with all the various laws and regulations but the way for a company is to go to the courts, go to the politicians or appeal to the public to partition the politicians for them to change the laws/regulations or decide to obey the laws or don't do business in that country.
that is a fallacious argument. You have incorrectly associated an individuals right to civil disobedience with the rights of a company. A company is not a citizen and as such it cannot commit civil disobedience. The world would be a very bad place if companies got to decide on laws, companies don't have the individual consequences associated with civil disobedience.
because people tend to be sheep when it comes to corporate welfare & protection laws. everyone likes to drag out the image of the poor uneducated taxi driver trying to make ends meet, not the corporation that actually owns his license and rents it to him.
They certainly are, the amount of sheep running out to protect Uber is absurd. They need to remember this next time a company they don't like decides the law shouldn't apply to them, you can bet they will be bleeting like sheep for the government to step in.
"Time for tech companies to consider moving their European offices elsewhere?"
how about, Time for tech companies to stop thinking local laws don't fucking apply to them. Either obey the law, fight to get the laws changed or get the fuck out of the market. NO company should get to decide what laws they will and won't obey, that is a slippery slope that no one wants to be on.
Is that a joke? Are you an Amazon shill? or do you just not understand the difference between IaaS and PaaS? Amazon dominate in IaaS, but Amazon are non existent in the PaaS space and falling further and further behind every day. Most analysts don't even mention them when talking about PaaS
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average british bobby may directly earn 45k a year but the real actual cost with benefits, equipment etc is significantly more. 6 policeman x 3 spots is unlikely to cover such extensive surveillance. add at least another couple of people per shift and support, equipment etc. 18 million actually seems extraordinarily cheap. it is also in dollars not pounds, so about 12 million pounds.
considering the number of people deployed for this for around the clock surveillance, the support staff and equipment this actually sounds insanely cheap. I wonder if they have actually left off some of the costs to reduce the embarrassment.
spend 10 seconds and do a search, you will find a heap. There are even sub $100 ones.
yep, considering the brand lock in I would say it is the exact opposite of a burner. It is extremely highly priced, especially with a myriad of cheap sub $100 smart phones available.
It is actually getting pretty bad here now. Slashdot has always been fairly anti MS, but usually with good reason and people that had some basic skills in explaining why. the amount of crap posts you see nowadays is really a little unfathomable. I personally associate it with the next generation of users that don't seem to have any social skills to argue their case beyond spewing hate.
geez if you don't understand basic words then at least learn to google. customers and consumers can be the same or a consumer may actually not be a customer. Not sure what sader, that you posted that or that you spent the time posting it rather than spend 5 seconds doing a google search.
most of the world don't give a shit about the MS telemetry (wrongly or rightly), they care about functionality. What you are missing is you can't see past your own concerns to look at what consumers actually care about.
how many does it take to flood the system?. I would expect in a relatively small volume to be extremely problematic tying up a considerable number of staff, after all they can't just hang up on the person immediately as it could be someone injured struggling to speak or someone in trouble silently dialing in the hope of someone listening in and providing assistance.
maths fail. it is not 4.91% of a billion machines. it is 4.91% of their market share, which is less than 100,000. So at best that is 4.9 million, in reality much much lower.
It might be windows! or it might be some farted while typing the price in at the factory! or more likely it might be that we are mid migration to DDR4 or that there is a lot of competition with no recent natural disasters impacting production or it might be that memory requirements simply haven't escalated much in the past decade beyond around 4GB for most users or it might be that PC's purchased in the last 5 or so years are still more than powerful enough for anything a user does or more likely a combination of all of the above. What a fucking retarded article correlation DOES NOT equal causation
I lived for some years in Oz, and I can confirm that Aussies often show that they like you by having a dig at you. The correct response is to have a dig back at them.
In American terms, Aussies like to tease each other quite a lot, and it's considered entirely normal there.
exactly! we see a lot of the same trouble with americans (not all) but definitely a group that has trouble culturally adjusting. My wife had a hell of a time adjusting too when she moved to Australia. For the first year she was constantly offended when I had a dig at her or when someone else did, thankfully I finally got her over that and now she just fires right back at the person with a smile.
Microsoft has chosen this hill to die on; so be it!
die on? so far their surface offerings are performing massively well, so well that google and apple have been copying what they are doing. the sp4 looks like an exceptionally well built high specced machine, most of the execs where I work have replaced their ipads for surfaces and while the phones I think are still dead the surfaces are doing gang busters in enterprises as they are light, powerful and allow people to actually do real work rather than just consume media.
Of course this is a *problem* for MS, this is causing their partners to be at least somewhat concerned. I think getting dug in too hard into hardware is a mistake for MS. They overwhelmed Apple with partners to win in the past, trying to beat apple at their own game seems perilous.
It was a necessary thing. The oem's had shown complete unwillingness to compete on the high end with Apple and instead were ceding that market in exchange for fighting for the basement low cost high volume offerings. The high end offerings they were coming up with were while quite often performant were uninspiring.
I would go a step further and say that any company or research making such an out of context claim should be avoided at all costs. If they can't understand the context of such a basic statement then I seriously don't want to rely on them for anything else.
I used my Tandy 1000ex as a tire chock for a number of years. It made an excellent weighty wedge to keep my trailer in place.
it won't be 10's of thousands, it will be in the hundreds of thousands or more likely a million+ kilometres of cable needed if you actually expect to hook up houses. remember the northern territory alone is around 1.5 million square kilometres and that is not even half of the area you need to cover. There are people in NT where there driveway alone can be 100km, you could be averaging close to a million dollars a house to hook them up to fibre in a lot of areas.
1.5 billion USD would not even make a dent in the cost of the amount of fibre you would need to cover people in outback Australia. even replacing the satellites every 10 years would likely be a huge saving by comparison.
while I don't agree with much that is being done with the NBN (under this or the previous government). It would be a FUCK load cheaper for the satellite solution than running fibre. I don't think you have any concept of just how sparsely populated most of Australia is, especially in the outback it can be a 100+ km to your neighbour, you have tiny communities of just a handful of people. running fibre to all these places would cost exponentially more than these very overpriced satellites.
So you jump from one fallacious argument to another one to try and justify the behavior. Freedom of the press is not the same as civil disobedience which is not the same as a company ignoring laws.
Can we not take each situation on it's merits, rather than throwing around sheep of various types? I feel ambiguous about Uber, I understand that government regulations are supposed to be for my protection. And yet Uber offers a better service. I think the regulations probably need an overhaul. I can't help but think that the furore is mostly sour grapes from a taxi industry that doesn't want to be challenged.
No I don't believe we can. Companies don't get to make decisions on what laws to obey, I don't believe their is any fuzzy or grey area here. Not saying I agree with all the various laws and regulations but the way for a company is to go to the courts, go to the politicians or appeal to the public to partition the politicians for them to change the laws/regulations or decide to obey the laws or don't do business in that country.
that is a fallacious argument. You have incorrectly associated an individuals right to civil disobedience with the rights of a company. A company is not a citizen and as such it cannot commit civil disobedience. The world would be a very bad place if companies got to decide on laws, companies don't have the individual consequences associated with civil disobedience.
because people tend to be sheep when it comes to corporate welfare & protection laws. everyone likes to drag out the image of the poor uneducated taxi driver trying to make ends meet, not the corporation that actually owns his license and rents it to him.
They certainly are, the amount of sheep running out to protect Uber is absurd. They need to remember this next time a company they don't like decides the law shouldn't apply to them, you can bet they will be bleeting like sheep for the government to step in.
"Time for tech companies to consider moving their European offices elsewhere?"
how about, Time for tech companies to stop thinking local laws don't fucking apply to them. Either obey the law, fight to get the laws changed or get the fuck out of the market. NO company should get to decide what laws they will and won't obey, that is a slippery slope that no one wants to be on.
So you get around a 3rd of the milage of those crappy EuroWeenies. What does that say about your piece of shit?
Is that a joke? Are you an Amazon shill? or do you just not understand the difference between IaaS and PaaS? Amazon dominate in IaaS, but Amazon are non existent in the PaaS space and falling further and further behind every day. Most analysts don't even mention them when talking about PaaS