Yes that's true and also since Apple introduced the 5 Pack for $199 it's gotten cheaper per machine in the house too.
I currently have 3 Macs that will be upgradeable for around $66 each. 30 Months since Tiger so whats that? Less than $30 per machine per year at the current rate.
The difference is that this has always been Apple's stance and business model since day dot. You want Mac OS, buy a Mac - it has always been this way.
MS on the other hand has always been the "it's the software stupid" model - hey if it runs, go for it!
Now they are artificially drawing a line in the sand on VMs.
It's not that Apple is BETTER than MS in this regard it's just that MS is now attempting to retard the "open hardware" model that has made them successful.
I meant "we" the Mac users. Sorry if it is confusing, it is hidden away in the title and entire context of my post. Cryptic I know.
Who in the world asks "who in the world" except people who are trying to make a big deal out of something insignificant like someone identifying themselves with a group of users because they are in fact one of those users?
"Starting from the Win Word 2.0 code base presented a couple of technical problems for those of us on the Mac side. The first was that it was written to the Windows APIs. Solving this problem isn't simply a matter of writing a layer that emulates the Windows APIs on the Mac."
The API's my friend - were Windows ones.
I say lies? I need education you say? I think not.
OMFG Pwned! Emphatically even.
And yes I do all my 300 page technical proposals in TextEdit too. Everyone does. I'm surprised they sell any Mac version of Office at all with TextEdit around. In fact I find stickies does most documents just fine without the bloatware of Textedit required.
I want Leopard, I really do, but honestly Tiger is a great OS and I can live a few months more with it.
The IPhone however, we need to be great.
For those of you that think iPods, AppleTVs, and iPhones are supplanting the Mac for Apple, you clearly weren't listening to Jobs from the early days of his return.
He said that digital lifestyle was the future and the Mac was the centre of that.
Every time someone buys one of these digital lifestyle devices and find they work better on the Mac, they will consider a Mac for their next computer.
Back in the 90s Microsoft effectively killed the Mac in enterprise by releasing good Windows Office and bad Mac Office.
"Thanks Steve - why not offer DRM free music from artists and labels that you already have granted you permission?"
Because they aren't the issue. Those artist can be picked up around the net already DRM free at places like emusic.com and already have full interoperability with itunes, ipod and and generally cheaper than 99 cents a throw.
"I understand that OSX is a solid alternative to Windows, but better stability and security is not going to make me switch. I want the same operating system my friends, parents and neighbours have."
Yeah I had that too. I'm the guy who knows computers and the one they always used to call for help. Then one day I said "If you want my assistance in future, switch to a Mac", they did, and now they don't need my support nearly as often, win-win.
Well, not really. Australia consists of a number of states that used to be separate colonies before federation. A number of these were founded as "free" colonies. Generally speaking the ones that play the better code of football...
Maybe the XBOX actually improved the console world, unlike many other Microsoft products. Is it possible that they actually got the XBOX line right? Maybe the Slashdot crowd can actually recognize a good product when they see it.
Maybe Windows is rubbish, maybe office is bloated, maybe the Zune is appropriately brown in colour and maybe the XBOX is actually good....just a thought...
Interesting when there is a chorus of people suggesting that Apple needs to license fairplay that MS is pulling back from that very approach and doing it the Apple way. Zune is not only a deliberately closed system but closed to MS existing partners.
"If OS X is "the best 'nix [you]'ve ever used" then please tell us why, I'm still waiting for real reasons."
I'm sure many will bite here but it's pretty much pointless. As the arbiter of what are "real reasons" you will easily be able to dismiss any reason that may be "real" to them.
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Yes that's true and also since Apple introduced the 5 Pack for $199 it's gotten cheaper per machine in the house too.
I currently have 3 Macs that will be upgradeable for around $66 each. 30 Months since Tiger so whats that? Less than $30 per machine per year at the current rate.
Not bad at all IMHO.
"That pretty much eliminates Skype for everything except calling your mistress on her home phone"
So for for slashdot readers: "That pretty much eliminates Skype for everything."
It's interesting you should point out the "personal' nature of laptops. I think Apple have done this very well.
J ust_Another_Geek/Entries/2007/8/23_The_Rise_of_the _Mac.html
I blogged about this over here http://jbosjag.com/Site/Just_a_Bunch_of_Stuff_by_
I think you are spot on about the personal aspect and the rise of the iPod and iPhone as sister devices for the iBook are really assisting in this.
...or download the source and compile yourself - a 132MB saving for the Internet...
"NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and even Linux are more Unix than Mac OS X will ever be in terms of both philosophy and technical details"
Philosophy and technical details? Do tell. You obviously given it more though than this pfffft "Open Group" mob....
Yes LOL, apart from that - which as you say only serves to illustrate the point....
The difference is that this has always been Apple's stance and business model since day dot. You want Mac OS, buy a Mac - it has always been this way.
MS on the other hand has always been the "it's the software stupid" model - hey if it runs, go for it!
Now they are artificially drawing a line in the sand on VMs.
It's not that Apple is BETTER than MS in this regard it's just that MS is now attempting to retard the "open hardware" model that has made them successful.
"Surely two countries have gone to war for less than $1.65 trillion. On a side note, let's not forget that Russia has oil."
Oh no! don't say that.
" The war with Russia is not about the oil, it's about the artists"
"Our intelligence tells us that Russia has Weapons of Mass Distribution and are not afraid to use them"
Irrelevant to Microsoft's business? - no
I meant "we" the Mac users. Sorry if it is confusing, it is hidden away in the title and entire context of my post. Cryptic I know.
Who in the world asks "who in the world" except people who are trying to make a big deal out of something insignificant like someone identifying themselves with a group of users because they are in fact one of those users?
Don't take my word for it read this account from a MACBU guy who worked on Word 6.0. It sucked.
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http://blogs.msdn.com/rick_schaut/archive/2004/02
Including this about Word 6.0 for Mac
"Starting from the Win Word 2.0 code base presented a couple of technical problems for those of us on the Mac side. The first was that it was written to the Windows APIs. Solving this problem isn't simply a matter of writing a layer that emulates the Windows APIs on the Mac."
The API's my friend - were Windows ones.
I say lies? I need education you say? I think not.
OMFG Pwned! Emphatically even.
And yes I do all my 300 page technical proposals in TextEdit too. Everyone does. I'm surprised they sell any Mac version of Office at all with TextEdit around. In fact I find stickies does most documents just fine without the bloatware of Textedit required.
I want Leopard, I really do, but honestly Tiger is a great OS and I can live a few months more with it.
The IPhone however, we need to be great.
For those of you that think iPods, AppleTVs, and iPhones are supplanting the Mac for Apple, you clearly weren't listening to Jobs from the early days of his return.
He said that digital lifestyle was the future and the Mac was the centre of that.
Every time someone buys one of these digital lifestyle devices and find they work better on the Mac, they will consider a Mac for their next computer.
Back in the 90s Microsoft effectively killed the Mac in enterprise by releasing good Windows Office and bad Mac Office.
Digital lifestyle is Apple's MS Office.
Don't sweat it - the Mac stays.
"Thanks Steve - why not offer DRM free music from artists and labels that you already have granted you permission?"
Because they aren't the issue. Those artist can be picked up around the net already DRM free at places like emusic.com and already have full interoperability with itunes, ipod and and generally cheaper than 99 cents a throw.
"I understand that OSX is a solid alternative to Windows, but better stability and security is not going to make me switch. I want the same operating system my friends, parents and neighbours have."
Yeah I had that too. I'm the guy who knows computers and the one they always used to call for help. Then one day I said "If you want my assistance in future, switch to a Mac", they did, and now they don't need my support nearly as often, win-win.
when I get my Universal binary version of MS Office.
A VLC bug is an Apple Bug?
Well, if that qualifies maybe they should start looking into MS Office for Apple bugs......
I've never considered this before but could Apple actually be doing us a favour by not licensing fairplay?
By not licensing fairplay the only way for others to get into sales for the somewhat successful(!) ipod is through DRMless format.
I'm sure this has been to the benefit of organisations like emusic which can and do sell unencumbered mp3s to ipod owners.
If the labels want to get into online sales directly the only realistic way to do it is via DRMless mp3 or aac.
Just a thought.
Well, not really. Australia consists of a number of states that used to be separate colonies before federation. A number of these were founded as "free" colonies. Generally speaking the ones that play the better code of football...
Its just that Microsoft had to trample over the battered bodies of their "plays for sure" partners to get there.
Maybe the XBOX actually improved the console world, unlike many other Microsoft products. Is it possible that they actually got the XBOX line right? Maybe the Slashdot crowd can actually recognize a good product when they see it.
...just a thought...
Maybe Windows is rubbish, maybe office is bloated, maybe the Zune is appropriately brown in colour and maybe the XBOX is actually good.
'virtualization is not mature enough for broad adoption.'
Well, neither is Vista probably.....
Xserves have not one but two GigE ethernet connections.
Tricky I know, but I think that's how they did it.
Interesting when there is a chorus of people suggesting that Apple needs to license fairplay that MS is pulling back from that very approach and doing it the Apple way. Zune is not only a deliberately closed system but closed to MS existing partners.
Zune - the whole widget.
"If OS X is "the best 'nix [you]'ve ever used" then please tell us why, I'm still waiting for real reasons."
I'm sure many will bite here but it's pretty much pointless. As the arbiter of what are "real reasons" you will easily be able to dismiss any reason that may be "real" to them.
Six word story can't be done.