But they are willing and able to do exactly that.. and it only takes one suitably equipped suicide terrorist to do the job.
I don't think they are too concerned that passengers will get frisky and try to stop them.. they will kill any that bother them and then kill the rest after anyway..
If they are able to get on the plane, then its all over no matter what.. best that can be hoped for is that less people are killed on the ground as well.
Of diving suits and flying machines..
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There was a documentary (or several) on the beeb I think about this.. some US robotics dude building a 'robot' following leos plans.. amazing machine really.. very much influenced by his slightly obsessive interest in anatomy and grave robbing.. all sorts of wires and weights and pulleys modeled on human muscles, tendons, joints etc.
Quite cool but not terribly useful at the time.
However his other inventions also mentioned in the tv proggie(s) were..
a divers suit that featured pipes going up to the surface where a hand operated bellows would blow air down to the diver - this was built and tested for real with a diver walking on the sea bed.. I think the original idea was to equip an army of 'divers' who could walk under the sea right up to an unsuspecting enemy (and probably scare the crap out of them).
a hang glider which was built and tested by some crazy hang glider freaks (really risking life and limb) - amazingly it worked with only a very small change and has been said elsewhere it was apparantly common for him to put errors in the plans to protect his work.. they worked out the correct way by remembering his interest in observing and learning from nature and so modified the 'tail' based on a bird..
Da Vinci was so far ahead of his time it is almost scary.. if his work hadn't been lost for so long one wonders where modern technology would be now instead.. imagine centuries of development on things like planes, submersibles, automatons etc. - chances are the x-prize would have been won a couple hundred years ago!;)
Are you seriously saying that because there are a lot of islamic countries, they must be trying to take over the world? And that this only applies to them? Fallacy.
No I am disputing the notion that islam is not out to convert others to their religion - islam has a track record of apparently doing exactly that otherwise how are non-arab countries, thousands of miles away, now islamic states? Did the locals just wake up one day and think "todays a good day to become a muslim!" and promptly drop the indiginous belief system?
So... what's your point? Solve the Israel problem (and other injustices) and then they can concentrate on bringing those regimes down? Works for me.
My point is people forever jump on the 'blame israel for everything wrong in the world' bandwagon which is just too easy. There are obviously problems relating to the israel-arab conflict but there are also many other problem areas in the world that simply don't make good viewing on cnn for whatever reason..
For example - a million civilians butchered in africa will be mostly forgotton within days (if anyone even takes notice of it happening) whereas any military action israel takes that results in a single death is headline news on all major media networks and results in yet more anti-israel rhetoric, hatred all around and blaming for all the ills in the world.. there are thousands of conflicts in the world, thousands of 'sides', with a complex network of relationships.. a little persepctive is required!
Arab nations will forever blame israel for all that is wrong in the world for as long as israel exists. It is convenient for them.. it keeps their people occupied.. despite the fact that israel is barely the tiniest speck on the map of the middle east compared the the vast areas and populations commanded by the arab nations.. why are they so bothered by such a mosquito bite of a country? Because it suits their internal political agendas and keeps their expanding backsides firmly on the throne.
In fact if israel did cease to exist now then those regimes would most likely also fall.. however by the same reasoning the fall of the US would probably have the exact same effect on those arab regimes.. its a funny old world.
US and EU backing for corrupt arab regimes are more of a culprit than anyones backing of israel.
Bad time to be guessing. Name one historical example of systemic suicide attacks, directed at civilians. One off's don't count.
I am not a historian and cnn wasn't around in the past to document such events for our viewing pleasure however a quick search turns up this.
But either way I don't think you made any mention of suicide attacks on civilians only - last I checked the suicide attacks in israel target military as well as civilians. The point is that suicide attacks of whatever kind (no need to nit pick) did not spring up out of nowhere in israel first.. they have happened before and will happen again..
Even if that argument carried any moral weight, it wouldn't matter because the 'nature of things' is going to end pretty quick if we continue on in this way with the firepower currently available.
Quite possibly, we wouldn't be the first civilization that has destroyed itself. At least this time we can watch it happen live on cnn/sky/fox/bbc!
There will never be an entirely muslim world. The idea is ridiculous. Islam isn't even an evangelical religion so to pull this off they would have to kill every non-muslim on earth. Only the truly paranoid would believe that they want this.
So how did a religion born in the middle east (afaik) end up dominating large tracts of the world already - there are islamic states and regions in africa (sudan as well as all north africa), europe (balkans and going back a few centuries even spain!), asia (pakistan, indonesia, malaysia, parts of thailand and the philipines not to mention china) and probably many others.. for a peaceful, non-evangelical religion they have done a pretty good job of converting the world so far (and killing anyone that got in the way) so I would have to say there is already plenty of 'prior art' in this case..;)
support for Israel is certainly the #1 uniting factor of the Arab world against the west. It's something that secular and fundamentalist muslim Arabs all agree on.
Actually it is more likely the excuse/weapon used by the dicatorial regimes in the middle east (as mentioned by osama) who use the israel 'problem' as the unifying force to deflect the anger of their own people from their own repressive regimes.. a simple case of uniting against a common (perceived) enemy.. and covering their own asses.
The first sucide bombing occurred in Israel in 1984. They helped CREATE this. Took about 50 years of 'fighting terrorism' before the enemy resorted this relatively new tactic.
Just a wild guess but I would say that 'suicide missions' were around long before the modern state of israel was born and in fact long before bombs existed and have been used by many people and many nations thoughout history. Japan/kamikazi being a relatively recent and well known example..
Or when the west supports Israel in the outright and indefensible stealing of arab land.
Best sweep under the carpet the outright and indefensible stealing of native american land in the not too distant history of america eh? Or the many european nations who colonised just about every corner of the globe?;)
In fact its been a feature of human behaviour/development throughout history that populations move, by force or by choice, borders are changed, countries come and go, empires rise and fall.. it was not invented by israel.. 'tis the nature of things.. we adapt and survive.
As I said - relative stability - there hasn't actually been full scale war between israel and any arab nations for many many years.. not something that can be said for example about the US (iraq war twice, afghanistan), uk (iraq war twice, falklands war) and various other countries and wars that I can't remember right now..
That money must be used to buy weapons made in the United States, at inflated prices. I seriously doubt that anyone who is in control of this policy has anything against Arabs or Jews, or even knows much about their cultures. It's government corruption, only that, not ideology.
More like common sense.. instead of pouring billions into the local economy directly (or straight to welfare) they get to help another country (hopefully earning a loyal ally and maintaining relative stability) and the money then gets put back into the US economy by way of the sales of US weapons companies and the many thousands of people who work for them.. their salaries depend on the US financing Israeli weapons purchases..
Same applies to the billions that the US also gives to Egypt and probably plenty of other places.. does this mean the US is supporting the killing of Jews too?
More a case of maintaining the status quo in the region and keeping the local workforce happy too. Its a win win situation - unless you meet the business end of a tomahawk..;)
..on slashdot all day complaining about the robot programming jobs being outsourced to india.. not to mention that the robot builders really should have used iRobonix instead of Windowsbot Longdong..
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But they are willing and able to do exactly that.. and it only takes one suitably equipped suicide terrorist to do the job.
I don't think they are too concerned that passengers will get frisky and try to stop them.. they will kill any that bother them and then kill the rest after anyway..
If they are able to get on the plane, then its all over no matter what.. best that can be hoped for is that less people are killed on the ground as well.
Quite cool but not terribly useful at the time.
However his other inventions also mentioned in the tv proggie(s) were..
a divers suit that featured pipes going up to the surface where a hand operated bellows would blow air down to the diver - this was built and tested for real with a diver walking on the sea bed.. I think the original idea was to equip an army of 'divers' who could walk under the sea right up to an unsuspecting enemy (and probably scare the crap out of them).
a hang glider which was built and tested by some crazy hang glider freaks (really risking life and limb) - amazingly it worked with only a very small change and has been said elsewhere it was apparantly common for him to put errors in the plans to protect his work.. they worked out the correct way by remembering his interest in observing and learning from nature and so modified the 'tail' based on a bird..
Da Vinci was so far ahead of his time it is almost scary.. if his work hadn't been lost for so long one wonders where modern technology would be now instead.. imagine centuries of development on things like planes, submersibles, automatons etc. - chances are the x-prize would have been won a couple hundred years ago! ;)
No I am disputing the notion that islam is not out to convert others to their religion - islam has a track record of apparently doing exactly that otherwise how are non-arab countries, thousands of miles away, now islamic states? Did the locals just wake up one day and think "todays a good day to become a muslim!" and promptly drop the indiginous belief system?
So... what's your point? Solve the Israel problem (and other injustices) and then they can concentrate on bringing those regimes down? Works for me.
My point is people forever jump on the 'blame israel for everything wrong in the world' bandwagon which is just too easy. There are obviously problems relating to the israel-arab conflict but there are also many other problem areas in the world that simply don't make good viewing on cnn for whatever reason..
For example - a million civilians butchered in africa will be mostly forgotton within days (if anyone even takes notice of it happening) whereas any military action israel takes that results in a single death is headline news on all major media networks and results in yet more anti-israel rhetoric, hatred all around and blaming for all the ills in the world.. there are thousands of conflicts in the world, thousands of 'sides', with a complex network of relationships.. a little persepctive is required!
Arab nations will forever blame israel for all that is wrong in the world for as long as israel exists. It is convenient for them.. it keeps their people occupied.. despite the fact that israel is barely the tiniest speck on the map of the middle east compared the the vast areas and populations commanded by the arab nations.. why are they so bothered by such a mosquito bite of a country? Because it suits their internal political agendas and keeps their expanding backsides firmly on the throne.
In fact if israel did cease to exist now then those regimes would most likely also fall.. however by the same reasoning the fall of the US would probably have the exact same effect on those arab regimes.. its a funny old world.
US and EU backing for corrupt arab regimes are more of a culprit than anyones backing of israel.
Bad time to be guessing. Name one historical example of systemic suicide attacks, directed at civilians. One off's don't count.
I am not a historian and cnn wasn't around in the past to document such events for our viewing pleasure however a quick search turns up this.
But either way I don't think you made any mention of suicide attacks on civilians only - last I checked the suicide attacks in israel target military as well as civilians. The point is that suicide attacks of whatever kind (no need to nit pick) did not spring up out of nowhere in israel first.. they have happened before and will happen again..
Even if that argument carried any moral weight, it wouldn't matter because the 'nature of things' is going to end pretty quick if we continue on in this way with the firepower currently available.
Quite possibly, we wouldn't be the first civilization that has destroyed itself. At least this time we can watch it happen live on cnn/sky/fox/bbc!
So how did a religion born in the middle east (afaik) end up dominating large tracts of the world already - there are islamic states and regions in africa (sudan as well as all north africa), europe (balkans and going back a few centuries even spain!), asia (pakistan, indonesia, malaysia, parts of thailand and the philipines not to mention china) and probably many others.. for a peaceful, non-evangelical religion they have done a pretty good job of converting the world so far (and killing anyone that got in the way) so I would have to say there is already plenty of 'prior art' in this case.. ;)
support for Israel is certainly the #1 uniting factor of the Arab world against the west. It's something that secular and fundamentalist muslim Arabs all agree on.
Actually it is more likely the excuse/weapon used by the dicatorial regimes in the middle east (as mentioned by osama) who use the israel 'problem' as the unifying force to deflect the anger of their own people from their own repressive regimes.. a simple case of uniting against a common (perceived) enemy.. and covering their own asses.
The first sucide bombing occurred in Israel in 1984. They helped CREATE this. Took about 50 years of 'fighting terrorism' before the enemy resorted this relatively new tactic.
Just a wild guess but I would say that 'suicide missions' were around long before the modern state of israel was born and in fact long before bombs existed and have been used by many people and many nations thoughout history. Japan/kamikazi being a relatively recent and well known example..
Or when the west supports Israel in the outright and indefensible stealing of arab land.
Best sweep under the carpet the outright and indefensible stealing of native american land in the not too distant history of america eh? Or the many european nations who colonised just about every corner of the globe? ;)
In fact its been a feature of human behaviour/development throughout history that populations move, by force or by choice, borders are changed, countries come and go, empires rise and fall.. it was not invented by israel.. 'tis the nature of things.. we adapt and survive.
As I said - relative stability - there hasn't actually been full scale war between israel and any arab nations for many many years.. not something that can be said for example about the US (iraq war twice, afghanistan), uk (iraq war twice, falklands war) and various other countries and wars that I can't remember right now..
More like common sense.. instead of pouring billions into the local economy directly (or straight to welfare) they get to help another country (hopefully earning a loyal ally and maintaining relative stability) and the money then gets put back into the US economy by way of the sales of US weapons companies and the many thousands of people who work for them.. their salaries depend on the US financing Israeli weapons purchases..
Same applies to the billions that the US also gives to Egypt and probably plenty of other places.. does this mean the US is supporting the killing of Jews too?
More a case of maintaining the status quo in the region and keeping the local workforce happy too. Its a win win situation - unless you meet the business end of a tomahawk.. ;)
Ok now mod me down! (again)
Quite clearly this is evidence of outsourcing in the early days of the aerospace industry.. I suppose we'll never learn.. ;)
All I can say now is Woohoo!!!
I wont make a fool of myself in front of all the gamerz by asking in the games shop for Halo2 like I did last christmas! Cool!