As perfectly as invasion has worked for iraqui people, i guess. You know, these new tools are trashing your civil liberties, and therefore are unpatriotic tools. I'd even say that those who support those tools are TRAITORS to their country.
"The Democrats did the math and they don't lose as many votes over this as they'd lose if they handed Bush another veto, again accomplishing nothing."
They would accomplish something: not giving up in defending their ideals. They are in the opposition, it's normal that they do not control the Senate and the House, but that doesn't mean that they have to give up holding their ideals because that's why they were chosen and empowered by the people. If they just approve anything that the government wants, what do you have elections for in first place?
I wonder if it's because i'm an european and there's some kind of a cultural barrier but, you know, in theory the opposition is there to stand for their ideals just as they would if they were governing the country. Maybe it's because we normally have more than just 2 parties elected in our senante and congress, but you only have 2 and it looks that 1 party would be enough for you!
The fact is that you indeed had the tools and your government was using them. It is a fact that they were requiring help to telcos in order to do a mass domestic surveillance BEFORE 9/11. And, indeed, you know something called ECHELON? Well, echelon was with us when you were a baby. So, in other words, you are wrong. BTW i'm from Europe.
As we are headed seemingly toward a more "European" philosophy here in the USA where the government assumes the duties of "personal watchdog" over your "lifestyle," what you eat, what you drink or smoke, what you teach your kids, etc., this would seem to be a foolhardy attitude.
I'm european and i must point that it's not an "European" philosophy.
"Many people's interpretation of (neo-)darwinism is pretty shaky and it could be subverted if they got exposed to alternative views, say a litterate Intelligent-Designer. But they didn't get exposed."
Maybe in the USA many people's interpretation of evolution theories are shaky, but don't underestimate the education on that matter in europe. Try to talk to a spanish in spain about ID/Creationism, they will send you to (the inexistent) hell. No one really questions scientific facts like evolution, not even believers. No one here knows ID/Creationism exists, and in fact when i talk about it with anyone, let it be my mother, my very christian grandparents, friends who are themselves believers... THEY JUST DON'T BELIEVE THERE EXIST CREATIONISTS IN THE USA, because it's so so so sooooooo stupid and lame that they just can't believe such people actually exist. And i'm not joking at all with this, they just can't believe such a stupid person as a creationist actually exists in the USA.
I don't know what's happening there in the USA, you tell me, but here? here no one, not even the Church questions evolution. It is an unavoidable fact and so it is taught in schools, whether they are private catholic schools or not. There can be many scientific theories on evolution, but evolution is an unavoidable fact, just like there are many scientific theories on gravity (newton's, einstein's), but gravity is a fact. And that is well understood here.
"I mean, think about it. You want to belong to the same club as two thirds of the population? That can't be right."
If that two thirds of the population are the ones who accept evolution as a fact, which btw it is, yes, i want to belong to that club. Your question is the same kind of "Do you want to belong to the same club as 99.9% of the population of your country, which strongly believe that torture (like what you americans do in Guantanamo) should be absolutely illegal?" Of course i want!
BTW, i'm from Spain, which scores in that table about 70%, your country scores 25%, you americans should be ashamed of your ignorance. It's not god who blesses USA (because god doesn't exist), it is ignorance.
"Todays science was yesterdays theory and hypothesis and much of it remained untestable until recently."
The point is that this yesterday's theory was a SCIENTIFIC theory. BTW, it looks like you have no idea of what a scientific theory is. A scientific theory is a scientific model of reality, which errors are delimited, supported on evidence and which makes predictions. Darwin's theory is a scientific theory on evolution, evolution is a fact, in the same way that newton's theory on gravity or Einstein's theory on gravity are scientific theories, but gravity is a fact.
"Its not that we lack answers, we dont even know what questions to ask and will not know if science remains so convinced of its own arguments of which much is lacking especially the big one"
You are the stubborn here. You know? you and all creationists are exactly the same kind of people who denies that earth is an sphere and says it is flat. You are a phanatic, a religious zealot, because one thing is to doubt darwin's theory on evolution (which i do, because there are new and perfected theories on evolution), but what you cannot doubt is the fact: EVOLUTION.
Creationists = people who believe earth is flat, when it's a proven fact that it's not.
"What evidence do you offer about pre-evolutionary origins of life? NOTHING, YOU HAVE NOTHING, YOU SIMPLY CHALK IT UP TO RANDOMNESS, CHAOS OR LUCK I GUESS"
Well, What do YOU offer? Science hasn't proven everything yet but that doesn't mean that, automatically, ID is right.
"I believe some form of reasonable Creationism/ID Theory can also be regarded as valid hypothesis alongside of Evolution and until its disproven, ID is a theory."
It can be a theory, but not a scientific one, as it is not based on evidence, reason, makes no predictions, and it's not falsifiable/testable.
"What evidence do you offer about pre-evolutionary origins of life?
NOTHING, YOU HAVE NOTHING, YOU SIMPLY CHALK IT UP TO RANDOMNESS, CHAOS OR LUCK I GUESS"
Well, What do YOU offer? Science hasn't proven everything yet but that doesn't mean that, automatically, ID is right.
"I believe some form of reasonable Creationism/ID Theory can also be regarded as valid hypothesis alongside of Evolution and until its disproven, ID is a theory."
It can be a theory, but not a scientific one, as it is not based on evidence, reason, makes no predictions, and it's not falsifiable/testable.
As an european, i can only laugh hard at this movie. I see some people here is supporting ID in some way (fortunately, they are a minority). Well, there's nothing to discuss, ID is not Science and those who support creationism/ID are simple-minded religious zealots.
Please. Please, I'm ever so curious - do show me an "invite-only torrent site" with ratios that distributes all this legal torrent traffic everyone's always talking about. thelinuxisobay.org, perhaps? (Yes, I know TPB is not invite-only) or perhaps linuxisonoid.com?
Forgive me, but if you're bitching about it screwing with your ability to illegally obtain things, my sympathy isn't all that high.
Let me remember that downloading copyrighted material was, once upon a time, legal, and it was the industry, with the opposition of society, who illegalized it (yes, your democracy is crappy sometimes). They are criminalizing millions of americans, they are criminalizing a behaviour that is found natural and good by society. Basically, the industry is trying to adapt society to the industry's needs, when it should be the industry who adapted itself to society's needs. It's illogial and anti-democratic to prohibit a behaviour that an enormous amount of society does regularly and most of the people accepts as something good.
You know? It freaks me out, because i'm spanish and here IT IS ABSOLUTELLY LEGAL to download or upload any copyrighted material, if you're not doing it for profit. Our particular RIAA and MPAA are pushing very hard to ban it but we won't allow it happen, not in Spain. And i can't help to think that if they finally win and downloading copyrighted material is banned, although at this moment 99.9% of our society knows it's a good thing to share culture in a non-profit basis, after some years, it would be easier to find people like you. They would have really won if that happens, because what they want is not banning downloading, what they want is to adapt society to their prehistoric economic model. I won't let them ban it in my country, because when i read you i see what we'd become, we'd start to fear sharing culture.
I live in Spain and here it's absolutely legal to download or upload copyrighted material without paying. What is punished is to make profit of it, but if you download, let's say, the movie 300, which hasn't been released on the cinemas yet, well, that's absolutely legal (i'm not joking). And we're ready to fight back if any politician here wants to change this.
So, when you say 'legit' p2p, what do you mean? do you mean legit in the USA, UK, or where?
Here in Spain, i'm sure that if our ISPs did this, everyone would sign off their DSL connections. Why on earth would anyone want a broadband connection if they cannot download music and films from the p2p networks? I'm glad here in Spain 'piracy' is absolutelly legal whilst it's non-profit (ie. when you download a film and then sell it).
Of course many people pirated windows then. And of course piracy helped the Romanian IT Industry, and of course it helped M$ to settle down there. That's the trick, piracy actually helps the pirated products to expand themselves across the territory, because no one would copy something valueless. And, as the Mozart music, linux, console videogames or the Beatles, it doesn't matter if everyone can get it for free, because there will always be people willing to buy a copy.
Last time I tried to explain here, i got modded down. I know most of you are americans, but, think that "piracy" (sharing culture between peers, just like when you copied you friend's tapes) is legal in most of the european countries. Now go and see your recent history, guantanamo, the fact that your country only had 10 years of peace on the last century, the 'free-speech zones', the Patriot Act, eavesdropping on americans and so on... Maybe making piracy illegal was just one more of those stupid things you allowed to happen? I'm absolutely sure that's the case.
Here, in Spain, even our special RIAA/MPAA says that they won't ever support a ban on filesharing, and that it would be stupid to illegalise a practise that if ever properly enforced would send millions of spaniards directly to prison!
How the hell do you allow a law to say that a common and accepted practise among society should be banned? No law should seek to send to prison half the population of a country (who has never ever used a pirate copy of something?).
Maybe you should reconsider voting you Pirate Party. Of course they won't win a seat, but you can say that you didn't contribute to this insanity! Or maybe you should convince Nader to support those views;)
I wasn't talking about games or programs, i was talking about culture (books, films, music, art etc). And i explicitly said it when i said:
"What this peple calls "piracy" is not boarding ships... instead, they are talking about... sharing CULTURE between peers!"
I don't think i'm doing something wrong when i download the discography of a band, for example AC/DC. I wouldn't buy it anyway and they already want us to listen to their music to become famous (well, AC/DC is famous enough). And i would say exactly the same for films and so on. This is the economy of attention, they should be grateful that i like them, because i would possibly go to a concert to see them.
BTW, i think i'mnot a communist nor a leecher nor an idiot. I just have a different oppinion on the subject.
In an ideal world, the anti-DRM, pro p2p crowd would be the very people who were actively moderating sites like these and keeping them clean of illegal content. As it is, nobody is going to take seriously any claims about such sites being mostly for legal use.
Who fukin' cares if it's "legal"! PIRACY IS RIGHT. What this peple calls "piracy" is not boarding ships... instead, they are talking about... sharing culture between peers! And, my friend, it doesn't matter if that's been banned on your country (here in Spain is absolutely legal), morally speaking, "piracy" is not wrong, moreover, "piracy" is possitive and should be encouraged.
I know it's not legal anymore in your country, but that does only mean that your politicians suck more then ours on this subject, and that you should struggle to get it back your RIGHTS. Yes, i'm talking about "piracy"(sharing culture between peers) as a right. We've got the right to pirate in Spain, and if you think our culture has died because of that, then think again! You americans have been taken away one of your rights, and everyone knows that maintaining your rights is easier than taking them back.. that means you have to struggle on this fight even more.
If he is stupid enough not to care about politics, then he can be stupid enough to vote while being uninformed. Instead of caring about what are you going to do when you are uninformed, you should go and inform yourself. As Ralph Nader said, "If you don't turn on Politics, Politics will turn on you".
Slashdot Mirror
From what I can read on the comments, it looks like half slashdot is into the movies industry!
That's french.
That's a very good argument...! English is not my mother tongue, is your spanish perfect?
As perfectly as invasion has worked for iraqui people, i guess. You know, these new tools are trashing your civil liberties, and therefore are unpatriotic tools. I'd even say that those who support those tools are TRAITORS to their country.
"The Democrats did the math and they don't lose as many votes over this as they'd lose if they handed Bush another veto, again accomplishing nothing."
They would accomplish something: not giving up in defending their ideals. They are in the opposition, it's normal that they do not control the Senate and the House, but that doesn't mean that they have to give up holding their ideals because that's why they were chosen and empowered by the people. If they just approve anything that the government wants, what do you have elections for in first place?
I wonder if it's because i'm an european and there's some kind of a cultural barrier but, you know, in theory the opposition is there to stand for their ideals just as they would if they were governing the country. Maybe it's because we normally have more than just 2 parties elected in our senante and congress, but you only have 2 and it looks that 1 party would be enough for you!
The fact is that you indeed had the tools and your government was using them. It is a fact that they were requiring help to telcos in order to do a mass domestic surveillance BEFORE 9/11. And, indeed, you know something called ECHELON? Well, echelon was with us when you were a baby. So, in other words, you are wrong. BTW i'm from Europe.
As we are headed seemingly toward a more "European" philosophy here in the USA where the government assumes the duties of "personal watchdog" over your "lifestyle," what you eat, what you drink or smoke, what you teach your kids, etc., this would seem to be a foolhardy attitude.
I'm european and i must point that it's not an "European" philosophy.
"Many people's interpretation of (neo-)darwinism is pretty shaky and it could be subverted if they got exposed to alternative views, say a litterate Intelligent-Designer. But they didn't get exposed."
Maybe in the USA many people's interpretation of evolution theories are shaky, but don't underestimate the education on that matter in europe. Try to talk to a spanish in spain about ID/Creationism, they will send you to (the inexistent) hell. No one really questions scientific facts like evolution, not even believers. No one here knows ID/Creationism exists, and in fact when i talk about it with anyone, let it be my mother, my very christian grandparents, friends who are themselves believers... THEY JUST DON'T BELIEVE THERE EXIST CREATIONISTS IN THE USA, because it's so so so sooooooo stupid and lame that they just can't believe such people actually exist. And i'm not joking at all with this, they just can't believe such a stupid person as a creationist actually exists in the USA.
I don't know what's happening there in the USA, you tell me, but here? here no one, not even the Church questions evolution. It is an unavoidable fact and so it is taught in schools, whether they are private catholic schools or not. There can be many scientific theories on evolution, but evolution is an unavoidable fact, just like there are many scientific theories on gravity (newton's, einstein's), but gravity is a fact. And that is well understood here.
"I mean, think about it. You want to belong to the same club as two thirds of the population? That can't be right."
If that two thirds of the population are the ones who accept evolution as a fact, which btw it is, yes, i want to belong to that club. Your question is the same kind of "Do you want to belong to the same club as 99.9% of the population of your country, which strongly believe that torture (like what you americans do in Guantanamo) should be absolutely illegal?" Of course i want!
BTW, i'm from Spain, which scores in that table about 70%, your country scores 25%, you americans should be ashamed of your ignorance. It's not god who blesses USA (because god doesn't exist), it is ignorance.
"Todays science was yesterdays theory and hypothesis and much of it remained untestable until recently."
The point is that this yesterday's theory was a SCIENTIFIC theory. BTW, it looks like you have no idea of what a scientific theory is. A scientific theory is a scientific model of reality, which errors are delimited, supported on evidence and which makes predictions. Darwin's theory is a scientific theory on evolution, evolution is a fact, in the same way that newton's theory on gravity or Einstein's theory on gravity are scientific theories, but gravity is a fact.
"Its not that we lack answers, we dont even know what questions to ask and will not know if science remains so convinced of its own arguments of which much is lacking especially the big one"
You are the stubborn here. You know? you and all creationists are exactly the same kind of people who denies that earth is an sphere and says it is flat. You are a phanatic, a religious zealot, because one thing is to doubt darwin's theory on evolution (which i do, because there are new and perfected theories on evolution), but what you cannot doubt is the fact: EVOLUTION.
Creationists = people who believe earth is flat, when it's a proven fact that it's not.
"What evidence do you offer about pre-evolutionary origins of life? NOTHING, YOU HAVE NOTHING, YOU SIMPLY CHALK IT UP TO RANDOMNESS, CHAOS OR LUCK I GUESS"
Well, What do YOU offer? Science hasn't proven everything yet but that doesn't mean that, automatically, ID is right.
"I believe some form of reasonable Creationism/ID Theory can also be regarded as valid hypothesis alongside of Evolution and until its disproven, ID is a theory."
It can be a theory, but not a scientific one, as it is not based on evidence, reason, makes no predictions, and it's not falsifiable/testable.
"What evidence do you offer about pre-evolutionary origins of life? NOTHING, YOU HAVE NOTHING, YOU SIMPLY CHALK IT UP TO RANDOMNESS, CHAOS OR LUCK I GUESS" Well, What do YOU offer? Science hasn't proven everything yet but that doesn't mean that, automatically, ID is right. "I believe some form of reasonable Creationism/ID Theory can also be regarded as valid hypothesis alongside of Evolution and until its disproven, ID is a theory." It can be a theory, but not a scientific one, as it is not based on evidence, reason, makes no predictions, and it's not falsifiable/testable.
As an european, i can only laugh hard at this movie. I see some people here is supporting ID in some way (fortunately, they are a minority). Well, there's nothing to discuss, ID is not Science and those who support creationism/ID are simple-minded religious zealots.
Let me remember that downloading copyrighted material was, once upon a time, legal, and it was the industry, with the opposition of society, who illegalized it (yes, your democracy is crappy sometimes). They are criminalizing millions of americans, they are criminalizing a behaviour that is found natural and good by society. Basically, the industry is trying to adapt society to the industry's needs, when it should be the industry who adapted itself to society's needs. It's illogial and anti-democratic to prohibit a behaviour that an enormous amount of society does regularly and most of the people accepts as something good.
You know? It freaks me out, because i'm spanish and here IT IS ABSOLUTELLY LEGAL to download or upload any copyrighted material, if you're not doing it for profit. Our particular RIAA and MPAA are pushing very hard to ban it but we won't allow it happen, not in Spain. And i can't help to think that if they finally win and downloading copyrighted material is banned, although at this moment 99.9% of our society knows it's a good thing to share culture in a non-profit basis, after some years, it would be easier to find people like you. They would have really won if that happens, because what they want is not banning downloading, what they want is to adapt society to their prehistoric economic model. I won't let them ban it in my country, because when i read you i see what we'd become, we'd start to fear sharing culture.
Germany bans knives because they can be used to kill people. Smart movement, cows.
Only in USA you could see such a building, a museum worshiping stupidity.
And on the Seventh Day... god rested by switching off the creationists brains!
I live in Spain and here it's absolutely legal to download or upload copyrighted material without paying. What is punished is to make profit of it, but if you download, let's say, the movie 300, which hasn't been released on the cinemas yet, well, that's absolutely legal (i'm not joking). And we're ready to fight back if any politician here wants to change this.
So, when you say 'legit' p2p, what do you mean? do you mean legit in the USA, UK, or where?
Here in Spain, i'm sure that if our ISPs did this, everyone would sign off their DSL connections. Why on earth would anyone want a broadband connection if they cannot download music and films from the p2p networks? I'm glad here in Spain 'piracy' is absolutelly legal whilst it's non-profit (ie. when you download a film and then sell it).
Of course many people pirated windows then. And of course piracy helped the Romanian IT Industry, and of course it helped M$ to settle down there. That's the trick, piracy actually helps the pirated products to expand themselves across the territory, because no one would copy something valueless. And, as the Mozart music, linux, console videogames or the Beatles, it doesn't matter if everyone can get it for free, because there will always be people willing to buy a copy.
Gold bless piracy!
Last time I tried to explain here, i got modded down. I know most of you are americans, but, think that "piracy" (sharing culture between peers, just like when you copied you friend's tapes) is legal in most of the european countries. Now go and see your recent history, guantanamo, the fact that your country only had 10 years of peace on the last century, the 'free-speech zones', the Patriot Act, eavesdropping on americans and so on... Maybe making piracy illegal was just one more of those stupid things you allowed to happen? I'm absolutely sure that's the case.
;)
Here, in Spain, even our special RIAA/MPAA says that they won't ever support a ban on filesharing, and that it would be stupid to illegalise a practise that if ever properly enforced would send millions of spaniards directly to prison!
How the hell do you allow a law to say that a common and accepted practise among society should be banned? No law should seek to send to prison half the population of a country (who has never ever used a pirate copy of something?).
Maybe you should reconsider voting you Pirate Party. Of course they won't win a seat, but you can say that you didn't contribute to this insanity! Or maybe you should convince Nader to support those views
I wasn't talking about games or programs, i was talking about culture (books, films, music, art etc). And i explicitly said it when i said:
"What this peple calls "piracy" is not boarding ships... instead, they are talking about... sharing CULTURE between peers!"
I don't think i'm doing something wrong when i download the discography of a band, for example AC/DC. I wouldn't buy it anyway and they already want us to listen to their music to become famous (well, AC/DC is famous enough). And i would say exactly the same for films and so on. This is the economy of attention, they should be grateful that i like them, because i would possibly go to a concert to see them.
BTW, i think i'mnot a communist nor a leecher nor an idiot. I just have a different oppinion on the subject.
Who fukin' cares if it's "legal"! PIRACY IS RIGHT. What this peple calls "piracy" is not boarding ships... instead, they are talking about... sharing culture between peers! And, my friend, it doesn't matter if that's been banned on your country (here in Spain is absolutely legal), morally speaking, "piracy" is not wrong, moreover, "piracy" is possitive and should be encouraged.
I know it's not legal anymore in your country, but that does only mean that your politicians suck more then ours on this subject, and that you should struggle to get it back your RIGHTS. Yes, i'm talking about "piracy"(sharing culture between peers) as a right. We've got the right to pirate in Spain, and if you think our culture has died because of that, then think again! You americans have been taken away one of your rights, and everyone knows that maintaining your rights is easier than taking them back.. that means you have to struggle on this fight even more.
If he is stupid enough not to care about politics, then he can be stupid enough to vote while being uninformed. Instead of caring about what are you going to do when you are uninformed, you should go and inform yourself. As Ralph Nader said, "If you don't turn on Politics, Politics will turn on you".
I bet it's a false claim