I was also beset by nasty crashes until I installed the MS "security"?? patch for msoffice X. Even now it still crashes sometimes (see my other post to this parent). This is on a G4 Powerbook with (now) 512MB RAM, so I don't think it is too underpowered.
Secondly, although it isn't really a bug, I hate the way that I can slide windows under the menubars so that I can no longer click the top of the window to move it. To fix this problem I have had to change my menubars to mac-like floating boxes to the side of my workspace. Well I suppose I am using a Mac !;P
Yes I am not sure about MS office X being "absolutely perfect".
Just got hit by a nasty bug today that made me lose 1 hours worth of work.. Try it:
Open excel
type the formula
=average(
in a cell, then hold down apple key (whatever it's called!) and click on three separate cells (not sure if they have to contain data). When you click the third, the program magically disappears along with your data, only to be replaced by a sarcastic message about reporting th bug to people who don't bother to fix bugs (okay the last bit didn't happen, but you get the idea!)
Anyway, if anyone knows of a patch to fix this, I would be very grateful. In the meantime I think I will stick with openoffice.org
Okay, so the simplicity side is not so good at the moment, although I think Ubuntu/Gnome is making excellent strides in this direction.
Personally I find the dumbing down of software extremely irritating. I would much rather sacrifice simplicity so that the software does _exactly_ what I want it to rather than what some programmer or software designer thinks I want it to do. Hence I use WindowMaker and Mutt, and both are better than anything on OS X in my experience. But probably not for 90% of noobs, I admit.
Talking of how great Mac OS X is, have you tried sorting by date recently? It certainly isn't working out of the box on my computer, and as far as I can see there is no patch for it, also trying to build open source software on the Mac takes 2x as long as on Linux for me (what's up with these framework libraries??).
For day to day work I agree the Mac is probably better than Linux for most people at the moment, but for fun OSS building it is nowhere near! Perhaps in the coming years there will be a load of open source software available for the Mac, but I will believe it when I see it.
You tried compiling any X11 programs on the mac recently??
With all the ugly workarounds: fink and the like, it still isn't as easy as under Linux.. often it doesn't work, and when it does, it does not offer the same level of functionality.
I use a mac for work, and, while i don't exactly love it, it is certainly better than the windoze selections..
I run some x11 stuff under freefloating blackbox on the mac, but it doesn't approach the ease of use for building OSS from source, or developing under python/wxPython that my Debian sid box (running windowmaker) offers.
OSX office crashes like nothing you've ever seen before without patching.. and even after that it is _slow_.. it has difficulty keeping up with even moderate size documents with embedded diagrams.. So I really don't know what sort of award it deserves..
The rest was just my experince.. I really wanted to like it.. I bought it specifically because I didn't want to give any more of my money to Redmond, but although I prefer it to WinXP, I was seriously underwhelmed.
I think it is really a question of taste, and what you want to do.
I have a G5 Powerbook at work, and I am pretty disappointed with the performance. Partly the problem is the lack of RAM (256Mb) but it should be possible to run a laptop with this..
So.. here are my experiences:
1) I have to use M$ Office for my work, and the native OSX implementation of Office is a pile of **** (thanks M$!)..
2) It is also far from simple to install OpenOffice.org,
3) The X-Server solution (darwin) is a real pig (I would rather use Cygwin quite honestly, the amount of extra overheads it uses).
4) The way Macs keep applications open after the window has been closed is also very irritating since it guzzles RAM like there is no tomorrow...
5) This is to say nothing of the irritation of getting right click to work with a single mouse button...
6) Oh.. Also wxWindows/wxPython is not up to Linux/Windows levels of stability yet, and the built in python implementation is really weird (there is a dodgy workaround to get graphical python apps to appear by using a different python binary).
If you are into Medya stuff, and like flashy GUIs then sure, try the Mac, I am sure your productivity will improve. Otherwise, use Windoze or Linux..
The hardware is cool, and the fact it is so standardised makes driver problems very infrequent. But I am really so close to ditching OSX and installing Debian or Ubuntu... My work laptop is nowhere near as sweet as my desktop at home running Debian sid, and it is all down to the resource drain thar is OSX IMHO.
The actual novelty of this story is that the plaques are being imaged with MRI using a probe rather than SPET or PET using a probe. Both SPET and PET imaging of amaloid plaques has been possible for several years...
Not dropping support for various archs, just removing the requirement for all release-critical bugs in all architectures to be fixed before each stable release.
This means faster release cycle, and the less major archs will lag behind in terms of stable release, (but as someone else noted, testing or unstable is more usual for all but the most conservative setups).
It is then necessary to restart the program from the beginning, and re-run it to just before that procedure call, which might only take a few seconds, but in many instances can take several hours.
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You aren't the only one with problems running msoffice X on the Mac.
I was also beset by nasty crashes until I installed the MS "security"?? patch for msoffice X. Even now it still crashes sometimes (see my other post to this parent). This is on a G4 Powerbook with (now) 512MB RAM, so I don't think it is too underpowered.
Secondly, although it isn't really a bug, I hate the way that I can slide windows under the menubars so that I can no longer click the top of the window to move it. To fix this problem I have had to change my menubars to mac-like floating boxes to the side of my workspace. Well I suppose I am using a Mac ! ;P
Yes I am not sure about MS office X being "absolutely perfect".
Just got hit by a nasty bug today that made me lose 1 hours worth of work.. Try it:
Open excel
type the formula
=average(
in a cell, then hold down apple key (whatever it's called!) and click on three separate cells (not sure if they have to contain data). When you click the third, the program magically disappears along with your data, only to be replaced by a sarcastic message about reporting th bug to people who don't bother to fix bugs (okay the last bit didn't happen, but you get the idea!)
Anyway, if anyone knows of a patch to fix this, I would be very grateful. In the meantime I think I will stick with openoffice.org
Okay, so the simplicity side is not so good at the moment, although I think Ubuntu/Gnome is making excellent strides in this direction. Personally I find the dumbing down of software extremely irritating. I would much rather sacrifice simplicity so that the software does _exactly_ what I want it to rather than what some programmer or software designer thinks I want it to do. Hence I use WindowMaker and Mutt, and both are better than anything on OS X in my experience. But probably not for 90% of noobs, I admit. Talking of how great Mac OS X is, have you tried sorting by date recently? It certainly isn't working out of the box on my computer, and as far as I can see there is no patch for it, also trying to build open source software on the Mac takes 2x as long as on Linux for me (what's up with these framework libraries??). For day to day work I agree the Mac is probably better than Linux for most people at the moment, but for fun OSS building it is nowhere near! Perhaps in the coming years there will be a load of open source software available for the Mac, but I will believe it when I see it.
Do ya feel lucky punk?
Well do ya?
You tried compiling any X11 programs on the mac recently??
With all the ugly workarounds: fink and the like, it still isn't as easy as under Linux.. often it doesn't work, and when it does, it does not offer the same level of functionality.
I use a mac for work, and, while i don't exactly love it, it is certainly better than the windoze selections..
I run some x11 stuff under freefloating blackbox on the mac, but it doesn't approach the ease of use for building OSS from source, or developing under python/wxPython that my Debian sid box (running windowmaker) offers.
Still I am probably just a Linux troll..
Who can tell?
Thanks.. I will try this..
Here's hoping!
Ok, I meant G4..
Happy now?
OSX office crashes like nothing you've ever seen before without patching.. and even after that it is _slow_.. it has difficulty keeping up with even moderate size documents with embedded diagrams.. So I really don't know what sort of award it deserves..
The rest was just my experince.. I really wanted to like it.. I bought it specifically because I didn't want to give any more of my money to Redmond, but although I prefer it to WinXP, I was seriously underwhelmed.
I think it is really a question of taste, and what you want to do.
I have a G5 Powerbook at work, and I am pretty disappointed with the performance. Partly the problem is the lack of RAM (256Mb) but it should be possible to run a laptop with this..
So.. here are my experiences:
1) I have to use M$ Office for my work, and the native OSX implementation of Office is a pile of **** (thanks M$!)..
2) It is also far from simple to install OpenOffice.org,
3) The X-Server solution (darwin) is a real pig (I would rather use Cygwin quite honestly, the amount of extra overheads it uses).
4) The way Macs keep applications open after the window has been closed is also very irritating since it guzzles RAM like there is no tomorrow...
5) This is to say nothing of the irritation of getting right click to work with a single mouse button...
6) Oh.. Also wxWindows/wxPython is not up to Linux/Windows levels of stability yet, and the built in python implementation is really weird (there is a dodgy workaround to get graphical python apps to appear by using a different python binary).
If you are into Medya stuff, and like flashy GUIs then sure, try the Mac, I am sure your productivity will improve. Otherwise, use Windoze or Linux..
The hardware is cool, and the fact it is so standardised makes driver problems very infrequent. But I am really so close to ditching OSX and installing Debian or Ubuntu... My work laptop is nowhere near as sweet as my desktop at home running Debian sid, and it is all down to the resource drain thar is OSX IMHO.
The actual novelty of this story is that the plaques are being imaged with MRI using a probe rather than SPET or PET using a probe. Both SPET and PET imaging of amaloid plaques has been possible for several years...
Yawn.
mod parent up.
This is the correct reading of the announcement.
Not dropping support for various archs, just removing the requirement for all release-critical bugs in all architectures to be fixed before each stable release.
This means faster release cycle, and the less major archs will lag behind in terms of stable release, (but as someone else noted, testing or unstable is more usual for all but the most conservative setups).
What's wrong with Gaim?
You could always give qemu a try...
http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/
A very nice, reasonably fast, and open-source x86 emulator.
Runs Win98 nicely.
They have just released a kernel module (on a free-as-in-beer basis) which speeds up the emulation to 50% native (works with Win2k but not Win98 yet).
....particularly on my Longhorn system.
....running on my C64.
I think of you misunderstand the joke.
Well.. time will tell..
With Linux installed, why is it using proprietary mp3 and not ogg?
...But the mere threat of court action could be enough to close down many free software open source projects.
I think this could lead to "not distributable in the US" clauses...
Hope y'all like living in a ghetto!
The white haired women with handbags are back!
And this time they mean business!