Offshoring IT jobs most definitely reduces the number of IT jobs in the US. It may be that a company will end up employing 1.8 foreignors for every 1 US citizen displaced, but there will still be less IT jobs in the US because of it.
A tiny fraction of the money returns to the US as increased demand by the foreign workers for US goods and services. So now the former IT workers can try to create media content for Disney to sell the [insert favorite 3rd world country here] workers or wait tables at Ruth's Chris, where the CEO dines. A few unlucky few get to stay on as project managers and experience the frustration of trying to accomplish things across physical distance and cultural gaps.
CEOs/CIOs/Investors reap the rewards. Effectively, offshoring transfers wealth from the middle class to the rich. A little of it gets transferred to the supposedly poorer citizens of other countries.
Of course, those who love programming will eventually find jobs for much less, as they're now competing for small change with someone in a Less Developed Country.
Don't forget the bigger threat to US citizens' jobs-- H2B visas. CEOs/fat investors, who control most of the US government, keep the doors open for foreignors to take jobs in the US where they've deemed there exist "critiical shortages." Critical shortage, in CEO-speak, means they see an opportunity to take more of the profits for themselves and pay employees less -- drive down wages in the IT industry.
Oh yeah, and for the comment about companies' intentions to grow and then employ more US workers too... if the top priority is growth, the CEO needs to be fired for failing to do his job: maximizing profits, earnings per share, return on equity, etc. Profits may follow expansion, but many think they follow cost-cutting, so that's what occurs much of the time. (Short-sightedness, related to a ridiculous focus on quarterly profits.)
The big difference here is that textile workers wanted employment. Most didn't particularly like working in textile mills. IT workers often like the work itself, and the work generally requires education and provides challenge. You know, things valuable to a healthy society.
Temporary satellites... connect the garbage to a conductive tether. Traveling through Earth's magnetic field, the device generates electricity. How to use it? Temporary communications, cool bright light, whatever. Just use the power. The price of the power is reduction in momentum, and eventually the whole thing falls low enough for atmospheric drag to take it down. A lot of money was spent putting energy into the stuff by orbiting it, now lets at least extract some of the energy from it.
In my case (which did not end in divorce), I was pretty confident I could find work in most other geographic areas because of my field, which made it easier for me to consider leaving. It absolutely did enter into the equation. Other than that, I can't see any particular evidence or basis for believing that being in IT would make divorce more likely.
Yes. Fire him. Simple.
Isn't it always these types that want to
"set an example"? So let's do it. Make an
example of him, and see how many others
propose such things. Keep firing them.
How about it, Houston?
Yeah, I realize this sounds like the
French army at the beginning of "We Were
Soldiers" (kill every one that comes and
eventually they'll stop coming), but I think
it would make clear the public's expectation
of law enforcement officials.
Also my first. Indus floppy drive, 300 baud modem that plugged into the 2nd game controller port to avoid buying the retarded "interface module" just to get an RS-232C port. Crappy 1027 printer, too, but at least it was "letter quality."
The machine still gets used frequently for game playing by other family members.
Wonder what the teenage Steves would have thought about this? Wonder what comments they might make now, when pissing off school systems might mean cutting into sales of Apples?
...if it captures 15 points or 1000 or whatever? You would not. Maybe it captures 15 in the begining, then later is altered. How would you know? You would not. Are people naive enough to trust those "authority figures" who put this kind of crap into operation? Never mind...
They think that their position in the industry allows them to adopt such policies. It's really up to customers and developers, unless they want to lose market share.
No thanks. I'm not seeking written permission to build something that indirectly benefits the hardware vendor and I'm not buying the digital SLR I've been planning from Nikon unless they change this policy. It's simple--just say no to formats involving proprietary stuff. This is a competitive enough field of products that if enough refuse to go along, Nikon will have to choose to either write off some customers or adopt a better policy.
...is that the worse it gets, the more good Texans leave, so the worse it gets. I suspect it would occur with the U.S. and Canada except that plenty of us like warm weather. Whereas for Texas, there are plenty of other places with comparable climate.
Very true, it IS a management issue, not IT. Same goes for whatever employees might be doing on the Internet. The problem is what isn't getting done, not how much time is spent elsewhere.
It is also a symptom of politics as usual. NC is just behind. A decade ago I was the grunt removing Solitaire from Virginia state computers per the order of an assistant Secretary. This guy was a know-nothing who'd helped the Gov win and in the process secured himself a cushy job. The first order of business? Make up something to do that he could pretend was important. Unfortunately, the real work was being put on hold during my search-and-destroy missions. At least I had a copy of the memo to show users so they didn't blame me or my boss for interrupting their work. So how much was this guy being paid to spend his time ordering Solitaire deleted? Don't ask questions for which you don't really want the answers.
I agree completely with the first sentence. But as far as the business degree... that just gets you in the door (admittedly sometimes important). Someone earlier talked about learning the "whys" (of business decisions). That would be economics. Managing people involves, surprise, psychology. So study behavioral psych.
But if you want to do more tech stuff, geography/geology pairs nicely with CS for GIS, remote sensing, etc. Physics for the coming quantum computing revolution, or for a lot of other applications. Maybe engineering, if a particular path is of interest. EE, mechanical, civil, chemical, (around here I keep hearing IE is Imitation Engineering). Remember, many early programmers were EEs, and in my opinion, programmers should understand what's going on at the lowest levels.
Wish to understand the world better? History, economics, some interdisciplinary programs...
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Offshoring IT jobs most definitely reduces the number of IT jobs in the US. It may be that a company will end up employing 1.8 foreignors for every 1 US citizen displaced, but there will still be less IT jobs in the US because of it. A tiny fraction of the money returns to the US as increased demand by the foreign workers for US goods and services. So now the former IT workers can try to create media content for Disney to sell the [insert favorite 3rd world country here] workers or wait tables at Ruth's Chris, where the CEO dines. A few unlucky few get to stay on as project managers and experience the frustration of trying to accomplish things across physical distance and cultural gaps. CEOs/CIOs/Investors reap the rewards. Effectively, offshoring transfers wealth from the middle class to the rich. A little of it gets transferred to the supposedly poorer citizens of other countries. Of course, those who love programming will eventually find jobs for much less, as they're now competing for small change with someone in a Less Developed Country. Don't forget the bigger threat to US citizens' jobs-- H2B visas. CEOs/fat investors, who control most of the US government, keep the doors open for foreignors to take jobs in the US where they've deemed there exist "critiical shortages." Critical shortage, in CEO-speak, means they see an opportunity to take more of the profits for themselves and pay employees less -- drive down wages in the IT industry. Oh yeah, and for the comment about companies' intentions to grow and then employ more US workers too... if the top priority is growth, the CEO needs to be fired for failing to do his job: maximizing profits, earnings per share, return on equity, etc. Profits may follow expansion, but many think they follow cost-cutting, so that's what occurs much of the time. (Short-sightedness, related to a ridiculous focus on quarterly profits.) The big difference here is that textile workers wanted employment. Most didn't particularly like working in textile mills. IT workers often like the work itself, and the work generally requires education and provides challenge. You know, things valuable to a healthy society.
Temporary satellites... connect the garbage to a conductive tether. Traveling through Earth's magnetic field, the device generates electricity. How to use it? Temporary communications, cool bright light, whatever. Just use the power. The price of the power is reduction in momentum, and eventually the whole thing falls low enough for atmospheric drag to take it down. A lot of money was spent putting energy into the stuff by orbiting it, now lets at least extract some of the energy from it.
In my case (which did not end in divorce), I was pretty confident I could find work in most other geographic areas because of my field, which made it easier for me to consider leaving. It absolutely did enter into the equation. Other than that, I can't see any particular evidence or basis for believing that being in IT would make divorce more likely.
Yes. Fire him. Simple. Isn't it always these types that want to "set an example"? So let's do it. Make an example of him, and see how many others propose such things. Keep firing them. How about it, Houston? Yeah, I realize this sounds like the French army at the beginning of "We Were Soldiers" (kill every one that comes and eventually they'll stop coming), but I think it would make clear the public's expectation of law enforcement officials.
Also my first. Indus floppy drive, 300 baud modem that plugged into the 2nd game controller port to avoid buying the retarded "interface module" just to get an RS-232C port. Crappy 1027 printer, too, but at least it was "letter quality."
The machine still gets used frequently for game playing by other family members.
Wonder what the teenage Steves would have thought about this? Wonder what comments they might make now, when pissing off school systems might mean cutting into sales of Apples?
...if it captures 15 points or 1000 or whatever? You would not. Maybe it captures 15 in the begining, then later is altered. How would you know? You would not. Are people naive enough to trust those "authority figures" who put this kind of crap into operation? Never mind...
They think that their position in the industry allows them to adopt such policies. It's really up to customers and developers, unless they want to lose market share. No thanks. I'm not seeking written permission to build something that indirectly benefits the hardware vendor and I'm not buying the digital SLR I've been planning from Nikon unless they change this policy. It's simple--just say no to formats involving proprietary stuff. This is a competitive enough field of products that if enough refuse to go along, Nikon will have to choose to either write off some customers or adopt a better policy.
...is that the worse it gets, the more good Texans leave, so the worse it gets. I suspect it would occur with the U.S. and Canada except that plenty of us like warm weather. Whereas for Texas, there are plenty of other places with comparable climate.
In theory, perhaps, but in practice, there's a very small difference.
George Carlin: "Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out."
I haven't personally seen a Murdoch (except the one on A-Team) but I've heard they exist. Why would anyone want to send one their money?
Personal health aside, people who never have their feet in contact with Mother Earth do a lot of ugly things to her!
Never seems about right to me, too. They really don't have something that I just must have.
Very true, it IS a management issue, not IT. Same goes for whatever employees might be doing on the Internet. The problem is what isn't getting done, not how much time is spent elsewhere.
It is also a symptom of politics as usual. NC is just behind. A decade ago I was the grunt removing Solitaire from Virginia state computers per the order of an assistant Secretary. This guy was a know-nothing who'd helped the Gov win and in the process secured himself a cushy job. The first order of business? Make up something to do that he could pretend was important. Unfortunately, the real work was being put on hold during my search-and-destroy missions. At least I had a copy of the memo to show users so they didn't blame me or my boss for interrupting their work. So how much was this guy being paid to spend his time ordering Solitaire deleted? Don't ask questions for which you don't really want the answers.
I agree completely with the first sentence. But as far as the business degree... that just gets you in the door (admittedly sometimes important). Someone earlier talked about learning the "whys" (of business decisions). That would be economics. Managing people involves, surprise, psychology. So study behavioral psych. But if you want to do more tech stuff, geography/geology pairs nicely with CS for GIS, remote sensing, etc. Physics for the coming quantum computing revolution, or for a lot of other applications. Maybe engineering, if a particular path is of interest. EE, mechanical, civil, chemical, (around here I keep hearing IE is Imitation Engineering). Remember, many early programmers were EEs, and in my opinion, programmers should understand what's going on at the lowest levels. Wish to understand the world better? History, economics, some interdisciplinary programs...
TJ's grave is kinda shiny and slick inside from all the spinning