I'm not the AC, but I empathize with him/her greatly.... Why do you think the AC is an arrogant jackass? Because he/she is telling you the truth? Why are you penalizing people for being honest?
The last personality test I did had two questions which were supposedly the same one worded different ways... it's MEANING was completely different:
a)Did you give your teachers trouble while you were at school?
b)Did your teachers have trouble dealing with you while you were at school?
'a' DOES NOT equal 'b' in this instance, I NEVER gave a teacher trouble, yet the teacher always hated me for asking questions, because he/she couldn't answer them! (I wasn't trying to make her or him feel stupid, I just wanted to know!!)
So I'd answer question 'a' with strongly disagree, 'b' with strongly agree.
However, this is not the answer the tester wanted!
About the only thing "wrong" with them is that they miss subtlety and sometimes lack tact.
Perhaps they don't so much miss it as don't really care?
When a girl comes in and starts asking me about Computer Hardware you don't think I immediately consider the fact that she possibly has another agenda at hand?
Perhaps they want you to think they have issues, so you leave them alone, it's you who take your perception away and see what you want to see.
If I want to charm your pants off or be flirtatious I can, if I want you to think I'm a no-hoper socially ostracized Geek I can do that too. "Social Skills" is just acting within a construct, the real skill is being able to understand the context within the construct.
I can choose to deceive and manipulate, but I don't believe that I should gain at other people's expense, individual selfishness within a society is a limited ideology, ultimately leading to the destruction of the society. In the long-term, Altruism is the only way for a social construct to evolve.
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Very well, my apologies for the hostility.
I had thought that the BRCA1 Gene Patent was amended allowing other people's methods for applying the test to be used without licensing fees to be paid for Myriad?
A quick Google for the topic brings up afewarticles dated some time ago.
Do you know what the current state of play regarding this is now?
I'm curious as I'm currently studying "Regulatory, Ethical and Legal issues in Biotechnology" in anticipation of filing a Patent for one of my own implementations of a "Special creature".
To clarify, I don't believe I should be allowed to patent a naturally-occuring sequence I discovered, however if I come up with a unique way to implement a new function in an organism I think I'm entitled to own the method via which it is done.
There is no genetic rights. Businesses can exclude you from working for them due to it. Health insurance can disclaim all the "bad gene" illnesses, that is if they accept you at all. The government can pidgeonhole you in some god-awful plan in which you cannot escape.
Why don't you lie a bit more and spread some more FUD?
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It was for a senior uni case study concerning a few major happenings about 1.5 years ago. I was urged to publish, but after I stepped back and realized what exactly I had written, I thought otherwise. I petitioned that the school keep it internal and not release potentially disastrous critiques of many companies, organizations, and governmental law.
Sounds like FUD mixed with BS to me... What University? Give me an example of one of these disastrous critiques?
Genetic testing offers a great number of benefits, and some pretty (dire) consequences too, if it's not used Ethically.
Fortunately most Genetic testing is medically vetted/requested. The old Doctors HippocraticOath, theoretically means it would only be used when Medically sensible.
Part of the biggest problem faced with this type of technology/research is the "I don't want to know" factor combined with paranoia about Eugenic ideology. I've read articles by stupid misinformed Journalists describing Geneticists as "The Devil's Messengers" - of course based off that I tend to think "Well, then Physicists must be the Devil himself!".
My opinion, is that the research should continue, however under regulation (as happens currently), and that private interest (corporations) be prevented from developing tests and or technology that could be used to discriminate and differentiate amongst individuals in one of the worst ways imaginable... the worst thing we can do is run off half-cocked and start preaching the benefits of technologies not yet ready.
Disclaimer: Just my (somewhat-unhumble) opinion. I am NOT a Molecular Biologist, but I do have some understanding in this area.
I'd like to give the Author of the Trojan a +5 "Magnificent Bastard" Moderation
Clue-Passive, because those with clue will remove it in 2 seconds...
"L33t Script-Kiddie" hax0rs will say: "The site was removed, argh I'm being tracked!!!" (and hopefully either stop, so SysAdmins don't have to de-virus their machines constantly, or learn enough so they understand a little bit more about what they're doing).
All in all, a clever combination of Technology and good understanding of Human-Computer Interaction.
They've ALREADY opened Pandora's box, now they're trying to get some publicity on how they can fix the problem they (at least helped) create.
I don't hate Google, I think they tend to go "Oh, cool, we can do this!" without thinking through the implications of it... much like other clever people in history have done.
Face it, what kind of attention do you get when your servers never fail? When you never lose a database?
Actually, you get asked to justify your existance in the company since "you never seem to be doing anything".
There is nothing more professionally satisfying than having a company tell you they're replacing you with a (generally Indian) Outsourcing firm (having been advised to do so by HR), for 2 reasons:
1. Things have been going so well they don't think they have any IT "problems" to fix.
2. They will be calling you (or if they're completely without humility, another firm) once they realise how bad things can be without someone who knows what their doing at the helm.
Good IT people "fix" problems. Great IT people prevent them from happening at the first place.
I think the biggest reason most IT people are abused is because they care too much. When I spoke to a Psychiatrist how he dealt with having everyone tell him their personal problems his response was "I only care when I'm being paid for it".
Probably the best piece of advice I've heard from someone in the Mental Health industry.
I'll try as best as I can (this topic is beyond my level of understanding of Physics).
Essentially they've found something, they don't know what it is... a speculation is it could be caused by Black Holes which were formed by the first Stars to exist in the Universe Imploding (as predicted by Einstein).
The other part of the submission leads on to say that if they are correct in their first speculation, it could possibly validate other theories like the one made by Eric Lerner, on how the Universe "works" in terms of the various structures of matter and energy in the space between large masses (like planets or stars).
I'm suspect as to the accuracy of the first link in the article, it quotes:
Dust grows over time as stars manufacture heavy elements called metals, like carbon, silicon and oxygen, that make up dust and then spit them out into space.
The reason I'm suspect, is because Oxygen and Carbon are both nonmetallic elements (or at least I understood they were - I checked Wikipedia to confirm).
I hope that helps you a bit, this stuff is a bit of a mindbender.
there are hundreds of things associated with autism which any individual has a sampling of.
Wait, you mean, I could randomly say... because someone is very interested in something "uncommon" and spends time doing it, and also mistypes the occasional letter, or uses uncommon language, that they have Autism/Aspergers???
Oh, and that typically these tendancies are exhibited mostly in males? (and sometimes sound alot like savantism?)
So you're comparing autism to stupidity? Fantastic. It's not like autistics aren't already treated like shit. We are put in Special Ed classes, treated like we can't learn, like we are broken or inferior.
Most autistics have higher intelligence levels than neurotypicals, yet we have a harder time communicating such. Autism is a communication problem, not a stupidity problem.
No, I'm saying exactly what you are, and have done, if you read my post history before jumping to conclusions you will have a better undrstanding of the point I am/was trying to make.
Another flawed assumption you make is that I myself do not fall within some point of the autism spectrum, and haven't endured exactly what you describe at various points of my life.
The least you could do if you're trying to attack my credibility is post without anonymity.
The idea that autistics have a lower amount of total neurons is quite the opposite, people who are autistic have larger then average brains.
That's not what I said, I was giving the opposite end of the spectrum as an example, my meaning is being misinterpreted, read my other posts before jumping to conclusions.
Currently not much is understood about autism at all.
This, in a sense, is the point I was trying to make regarding the prescription (by a number of the Psychiatric community) of SSRIs, I don't think this is a good thing, seeing as we don't know enough about the condition.
It is scary stuff, the general public does not understand the ethics or its wider implications.
Which is why I believe it needs to be talked about, so people understand what it is, as you'll know, Autism covers a spectrum of conditions (according to my current understanding of it). My annoyance is when people stereotype behaviours that aren't exhibited by every individual within the spectrum.
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I'm not saying it shouldn't be studied, I just seriously doubt people will be able to "cure" something that I suspect is linked to inheritable Genetic traits.
Of course you could move into the territory of Eugenics, but I think that's a slippery slope to tread.
Apparently they're just used by medical students for scalpel practise.
Alot (possibly the majority) of them are, however, would you rather a surgeon who's never practiced working on you while you're alive?
Take your FUD elsewhere.
FUD... in the most vile form.
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Even more despicable than trying to create fear, uncertainty and doubt of Open-Source, are people who try to do the same thing against those who would save lives... I hope you sleep well girlintraining.
Trying to cure Autism is like trying to cure innate stupiditity, I have serious doubts you'll be able to change the neurological wiring with any efficacy.
Certain learning techniques can be used to improve synaptic formation in those with a lower amount of total neurons, thus increasing their mental capacity somewhat, which works for some of those individuals born with below-average intelligence. But how do you fix someone with "too many"?
Of course, currently, most Psychologists/Psychiatrists work on the concept of treatment with Cognitive Behavioural Therapy and/or drug treatment: "Now Jimmy, if people are WRONG, just go along with it and pretend they aren't, and here, have some SSRIs, we dont' know if these will fuck you up for life, but it's easier on everyone else if we give you pills".
How about we just lobotomize them all instead? Sound good?! The sentance above is an example of hostile sarcasm.
Anyway, I'm more than happy to donate any bits of me that Medical Research can use! Disclaimer: I'm not a Neurologist/Neurosurgeon/Neuropsychiatrist - happy for anyone else to correct me if I'm incorrect somewhere and they've got the knowledge.
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I'm not the AC, but I empathize with him/her greatly.... Why do you think the AC is an arrogant jackass?
Because he/she is telling you the truth? Why are you penalizing people for being honest?
The last personality test I did had two questions which were supposedly the same one worded different ways... it's MEANING was completely different:
a)Did you give your teachers trouble while you were at school?
b)Did your teachers have trouble dealing with you while you were at school?
'a' DOES NOT equal 'b' in this instance, I NEVER gave a teacher trouble, yet the teacher always hated me for asking questions, because he/she couldn't answer them! (I wasn't trying to make her or him feel stupid, I just wanted to know!!)
So I'd answer question 'a' with strongly disagree, 'b' with strongly agree.
However, this is not the answer the tester wanted!
Perhaps you misunderstood the humor in my posts?
I'm not entirely sure what your point is here... or why you've been modded insightful?
Interestingly the most brilliant and talented people tend to be eccentric.
Insightful... my favorite line to use is:
:)"
"There's a fine line between Genius and Eccentricity, I like to think I've got a foot firmly planted either side!
Somehow I misspelt excellent, and forgot the word "how"...
Here's something I thought was an excellent example of how HR people tend to think.
Here's something I thought was an exellent example of HR people tend to think (copied from here):
1. Put 400 bricks in a closed room.
2. Put your new hires in the room and close the door.
3. Leave them alone and come back after six hours.
4. Then analyze the situation.
a. If they are counting the bricks, put them in the Accounting Department.
b. If they are recounting them, put them in Auditing.
c. If they have messed up the whole place with the bricks, put them in Engineering.
d. If they are arranging the bricks in some strange order, put them in Planning.
e. If they are throwing the bricks at each other, put them in Operations.
f. If they are sleeping, put them in Security.
g. If they have broken the bricks into pieces, put them in Information Technology.
h. If they are sitting idle, put them in Human Resources.
i. If they say they have tried different combinations and they are looking for more, yet not a brick has been moved, put them in Sales.
j. If they have already left for the day, put them in Management.
k. If they are staring out of the window, put them in Strategic Planning.
l. If they are talking to each other, and not a single brick has been moved, congratulate them and put them in Top Management.
m. Finally, if they have surrounded themselves with bricks in such a way that they can neither be seen nor heard from, put them in Congress.
About the only thing "wrong" with them is that they miss subtlety and sometimes lack tact.
Perhaps they don't so much miss it as don't really care?
When a girl comes in and starts asking me about Computer Hardware you don't think I immediately consider the fact that she possibly has another agenda at hand?
Perhaps they want you to think they have issues, so you leave them alone, it's you who take your perception away and see what you want to see.
If I want to charm your pants off or be flirtatious I can, if I want you to think I'm a no-hoper socially ostracized Geek I can do that too.
"Social Skills" is just acting within a construct, the real skill is being able to understand the context within the construct.
I can choose to deceive and manipulate, but I don't believe that I should gain at other people's expense, individual selfishness within a society is a limited ideology, ultimately leading to the destruction of the society. In the long-term, Altruism is the only way for a social construct to evolve.
Very well, my apologies for the hostility.
I had thought that the BRCA1 Gene Patent was amended allowing other people's methods for applying the test to be used without licensing fees to be paid for Myriad?
A quick Google for the topic brings up a few articles dated some time ago.
Do you know what the current state of play regarding this is now?
I'm curious as I'm currently studying "Regulatory, Ethical and Legal issues in Biotechnology" in anticipation of filing a Patent for one of my own implementations of a "Special creature".
To clarify, I don't believe I should be allowed to patent a naturally-occuring sequence I discovered, however if I come up with a unique way to implement a new function in an organism I think I'm entitled to own the method via which it is done.
There is no genetic rights. Businesses can exclude you from working for them due to it. Health insurance can disclaim all the "bad gene" illnesses, that is if they accept you at all. The government can pidgeonhole you in some god-awful plan in which you cannot escape.
Why don't you lie a bit more and spread some more FUD?
There is ALREADY LEGISLATION AGAINST THIS!!!
It was for a senior uni case study concerning a few major happenings about 1.5 years ago. I was urged to publish, but after I stepped back and realized what exactly I had written, I thought otherwise. I petitioned that the school keep it internal and not release potentially disastrous critiques of many companies, organizations, and governmental law.
Sounds like FUD mixed with BS to me... What University? Give me an example of one of these disastrous critiques?
You wouldn't happen to be this bullshit artist would you?
Genetic testing offers a great number of benefits, and some pretty (dire) consequences too, if it's not used Ethically.
Fortunately most Genetic testing is medically vetted/requested. The old Doctors Hippocratic Oath, theoretically means it would only be used when Medically sensible.
Part of the biggest problem faced with this type of technology/research is the "I don't want to know" factor combined with paranoia about Eugenic ideology. I've read articles by stupid misinformed Journalists describing Geneticists as "The Devil's Messengers" - of course based off that I tend to think "Well, then Physicists must be the Devil himself!".
My opinion, is that the research should continue, however under regulation (as happens currently), and that private interest (corporations) be prevented from developing tests and or technology that could be used to discriminate and differentiate amongst individuals in one of the worst ways imaginable... the worst thing we can do is run off half-cocked and start preaching the benefits of technologies not yet ready.
Disclaimer: Just my (somewhat-unhumble) opinion. I am NOT a Molecular Biologist, but I do have some understanding in this area.
I'd like to give the Author of the Trojan a +5 "Magnificent Bastard" Moderation
Clue-Passive, because those with clue will remove it in 2 seconds...
"L33t Script-Kiddie" hax0rs will say: "The site was removed, argh I'm being tracked!!!" (and hopefully either stop, so SysAdmins don't have to de-virus their machines constantly, or learn enough so they understand a little bit more about what they're doing).
All in all, a clever combination of Technology and good understanding of Human-Computer Interaction.
Disclaimer: No, I didn't write it.
They've ALREADY opened Pandora's box, now they're trying to get some publicity on how they can fix the problem they (at least helped) create.
I don't hate Google, I think they tend to go "Oh, cool, we can do this!" without thinking through the implications of it... much like other clever people in history have done.
Yah, he SO is! /sarcasm>
:)
Incidentally Electrolytes are reported to have the motto "Don't be Evil!"
In other news, Google reports they're working to eliminate your privacy even more!!! :)
Face it, what kind of attention do you get when your servers never fail? When you never lose a database?
Actually, you get asked to justify your existance in the company since "you never seem to be doing anything".
There is nothing more professionally satisfying than having a company tell you they're replacing you with a (generally Indian) Outsourcing firm (having been advised to do so by HR), for 2 reasons:
1. Things have been going so well they don't think they have any IT "problems" to fix.
2. They will be calling you (or if they're completely without humility, another firm) once they realise how bad things can be without someone who knows what their doing at the helm.
Good IT people "fix" problems. Great IT people prevent them from happening at the first place.
I think the biggest reason most IT people are abused is because they care too much.
When I spoke to a Psychiatrist how he dealt with having everyone tell him their personal problems his response was "I only care when I'm being paid for it".
Probably the best piece of advice I've heard from someone in the Mental Health industry.
Oh, cool!
Thank you, I didn't know that was the correct term.
I'll try as best as I can (this topic is beyond my level of understanding of Physics).
Essentially they've found something, they don't know what it is... a speculation is it could be caused by Black Holes which were formed by the first Stars to exist in the Universe Imploding (as predicted by Einstein).
The other part of the submission leads on to say that if they are correct in their first speculation, it could possibly validate other theories like the one made by Eric Lerner, on how the Universe "works" in terms of the various structures of matter and energy in the space between large masses (like planets or stars).
I'm suspect as to the accuracy of the first link in the article, it quotes:
Dust grows over time as stars manufacture heavy elements called metals, like carbon, silicon and oxygen, that make up dust and then spit them out into space.
The reason I'm suspect, is because Oxygen and Carbon are both nonmetallic elements (or at least I understood they were - I checked Wikipedia to confirm).
I hope that helps you a bit, this stuff is a bit of a mindbender.
there are hundreds of things associated with autism which any individual has a sampling of.
Wait, you mean, I could randomly say... because someone is very interested in something "uncommon" and spends time doing it, and also mistypes the occasional letter, or uses uncommon language, that they have Autism/Aspergers???
;)
Oh, and that typically these tendancies are exhibited mostly in males? (and sometimes sound alot like savantism?)
Do the Psychiatric community know this?!?!?!
So you're comparing autism to stupidity? Fantastic. It's not like autistics aren't already treated like shit. We are put in Special Ed classes, treated like we can't learn, like we are broken or inferior.
Most autistics have higher intelligence levels than neurotypicals, yet we have a harder time communicating such. Autism is a communication problem, not a stupidity problem.
No, I'm saying exactly what you are, and have done, if you read my post history before jumping to conclusions you will have a better undrstanding of the point I am/was trying to make.
Another flawed assumption you make is that I myself do not fall within some point of the autism spectrum, and haven't endured exactly what you describe at various points of my life.
The least you could do if you're trying to attack my credibility is post without anonymity.
The idea that autistics have a lower amount of total neurons is quite the opposite, people who are autistic have larger then average brains.
That's not what I said, I was giving the opposite end of the spectrum as an example, my meaning is being misinterpreted, read my other posts before jumping to conclusions.
Currently not much is understood about autism at all.
This, in a sense, is the point I was trying to make regarding the prescription (by a number of the Psychiatric community) of SSRIs, I don't think this is a good thing, seeing as we don't know enough about the condition.
Completely agree with you...
It is scary stuff, the general public does not understand the ethics or its wider implications.
Which is why I believe it needs to be talked about, so people understand what it is, as you'll know, Autism covers a spectrum of conditions (according to my current understanding of it).
My annoyance is when people stereotype behaviours that aren't exhibited by every individual within the spectrum.
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I'm not saying it shouldn't be studied, I just seriously doubt people will be able to "cure" something that I suspect is linked to inheritable Genetic traits.
Of course you could move into the territory of Eugenics, but I think that's a slippery slope to tread.
Learning about or understanding more about the condition is never a bad thing.
Apparently they're just used by medical students for scalpel practise.
Alot (possibly the majority) of them are, however, would you rather a surgeon who's never practiced working on you while you're alive?
Take your FUD elsewhere.
Even more despicable than trying to create fear, uncertainty and doubt of Open-Source, are people who try to do the same thing against those who would save lives... I hope you sleep well girlintraining.
Trying to cure Autism is like trying to cure innate stupiditity, I have serious doubts you'll be able to change the neurological wiring with any efficacy.
Certain learning techniques can be used to improve synaptic formation in those with a lower amount of total neurons, thus increasing their mental capacity somewhat, which works for some of those individuals born with below-average intelligence. But how do you fix someone with "too many"?
Of course, currently, most Psychologists/Psychiatrists work on the concept of treatment with Cognitive Behavioural Therapy and/or drug treatment:
"Now Jimmy, if people are WRONG, just go along with it and pretend they aren't, and here, have some SSRIs, we dont' know if these will fuck you up for life, but it's easier on everyone else if we give you pills".
How about we just lobotomize them all instead? Sound good?!
The sentance above is an example of hostile sarcasm.
Anyway, I'm more than happy to donate any bits of me that Medical Research can use!
Disclaimer: I'm not a Neurologist/Neurosurgeon/Neuropsychiatrist - happy for anyone else to correct me if I'm incorrect somewhere and they've got the knowledge.