Amazon will ship my order in one box instead of three or four boxes when I checked the box to group my order together? I usually don't go to my post office box unless I have a handful of packages coming in. Amazon splitting my order into multiple boxes multiplies the number of tracking numbers I can need to keep tabs on.
You can reasonably ask questions like "Is there a Windows version?" or "When will there be a Windows version?" or "Why isn't there a Windows version?". You asked "Where's the Windows version?" [...]
Those are all the same question.
[...] and then acted like Apple had some sort of obligation to provide one.
If Apple wants Swift to be a successful language, it should be on all the major platforms. Apple doesn't lack the resources to do this, so it shouldn't be unreasonable to ask for a Windows version. It is unreasonable to portray me as the villain for asking the question. Of course, Swift could end up in quiet obscurity like Objective-C and Microsoft can support it for Windows via Open Source.
I still can't figure out why anyone cares what Rep. Lorgren thinks about this. It isn't in her district and it isn't a federal issue.
Lorgren sits on the House subcommittees for intellectual properties and immigration enforcement. Immigration in general, and enforcement in particular, is considered to be a federal issue.
Ditto Senator Feinstein.
Feinstein also sits on Senate subcommittees for technology and immigration.
That's nothing. I work at a place if you plug a USB stick into your workstation, the USB port will immediately locked out and security guards will show up at your desk in five minutes to take away your USB stick.
You're right. I only care about Swift as an end user. It's not worth my time as a programmer to do someone else's job to port their programming language to a popular platform.
I suggested you port it to Windows, just Windows, since you claimed it wouldn't be difficult.
For APPLE this shouldn't be difficult.
Now you're saying it is so difficult only a company could do it.
I'm talking about APPLE. A multi-billion-dollar COPORATION with tons of Linux, Mac and Windows developers on staff.
Apple developed this programming l
Make your mind up.
Learn to read.
As to doing it on your own, if it's too much work for your, get help. GitHub is there for you to both host the code and run the development as a team effort.
I'll let Apple know that they need help on the Windows port.
In the case of Sun, that was Sun's choice which is the point you are missing.
You're missing my point. Apple is a CORPORATION just like Sun back in the day. Apple has Windows developers since they put out iTunes for Windows. If Apple want their Open Source language to be successful, they should port it to Windows. They're not lacking the resources like Linus, RMS and Canonical.
Secondly using Cygwin is not porting to Windows. That's running Linux in a VM in Windows.
If I can use it on Windows, then its a Windows program. I'm not a purist.
I used to work in the video game industry when the PlayStation 2 (Linux-based), xBox (Windows-based) and GameCube (probably Linux-based) were current gen consoles. The developers would code on the PlayStation 2, and then port to the other consoles from the same codebase. A generalized bug fixed for the PlayStation 2 got fixed for the other platforms. Nintendo rejected anything that looked like a PlayStation 2 port, which required more work for the GameCube version than the Xbox version. Using a common codebase for multiple platforms with different operating systems was doable. That Apple is unwilling to do a Windows port suggests that they didn't something wrong.
Most open source software ends up ported to other platforms, because as the source is available, it's relatively easy for someone to do it if the original maintainer doesn't want to, but that doesn't make them the same thing.
If you're putting out Open Source software for Linux and Mac, a Windows version shouldn't be that difficult. Especially since Apple has Windows development teams on hand to do the work.
I haven't yet seen anything equivalent to the "birther" crap, but I won't be surprised if it arises.
I call it The Friends of Putin Club. Until Trump releases his tax returns, we don't know how much money he owes the Russian. The only person Trump ever talks about with admiration and respect is former KGB agent Putin. I grew up in the Cold War. Kissing Putin's ass makes me suspicious about what's really going on with Trump.
But your comment is one (of many!) examples that the left is no more rational or measured than the right.
I'm a moderate conservative and I don't represent the left. I find it interesting that the Republicans who derided Obama all these years are hyperventilating that Trump will get the same treatment by the Democrats.
As my mom taught me: "Two wrongs don't make a right!"
As my father taught me: "What goes around comes around."
Remember that Trump is neither a conservative nor a Republican, and, just a few short years ago, a Clinton Democrat. If you're going to put a Clinton Democrat in the White House, it should be Hillary.
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Amazon will ship my order in one box instead of three or four boxes when I checked the box to group my order together? I usually don't go to my post office box unless I have a handful of packages coming in. Amazon splitting my order into multiple boxes multiplies the number of tracking numbers I can need to keep tabs on.
You can reasonably ask questions like "Is there a Windows version?" or "When will there be a Windows version?" or "Why isn't there a Windows version?". You asked "Where's the Windows version?" [...]
Those are all the same question.
[...] and then acted like Apple had some sort of obligation to provide one.
If Apple wants Swift to be a successful language, it should be on all the major platforms. Apple doesn't lack the resources to do this, so it shouldn't be unreasonable to ask for a Windows version. It is unreasonable to portray me as the villain for asking the question. Of course, Swift could end up in quiet obscurity like Objective-C and Microsoft can support it for Windows via Open Source.
Why wouldn't they just disable the USB port to begin with?
Need working USB ports for keyboard, mouse and security token (admin access).
I still can't figure out why anyone cares what Rep. Lorgren thinks about this. It isn't in her district and it isn't a federal issue.
Lorgren sits on the House subcommittees for intellectual properties and immigration enforcement. Immigration in general, and enforcement in particular, is considered to be a federal issue.
Ditto Senator Feinstein.
Feinstein also sits on Senate subcommittees for technology and immigration.
Sounds like government. That's where I ran into those measures - DoE.
I can neither confirm nor deny. ;)
That's nothing. I work at a place if you plug a USB stick into your workstation, the USB port will immediately locked out and security guards will show up at your desk in five minutes to take away your USB stick.
But crying on Slashdot? That gets you nothing except ridicule.
I asked a question. I don't understand why everyone is acting so butthurt about it.
It's not Apple's job to do a Window's port.
Maybe Microsoft can do it since they're interested in Open Source programming languages. For example, Objective-C for Windows.
https://github.com/Microsoft/WinObjC/
Clearly you are not up to it.
You're right. I only care about Swift as an end user. It's not worth my time as a programmer to do someone else's job to port their programming language to a popular platform.
Therefore you'll have to do without.
I'll use the Cygwin port.
I suggested you port it to Windows, just Windows, since you claimed it wouldn't be difficult.
For APPLE this shouldn't be difficult.
Now you're saying it is so difficult only a company could do it.
I'm talking about APPLE. A multi-billion-dollar COPORATION with tons of Linux, Mac and Windows developers on staff.
Apple developed this programming l
Make your mind up.
Learn to read.
As to doing it on your own, if it's too much work for your, get help. GitHub is there for you to both host the code and run the development as a team effort.
I'll let Apple know that they need help on the Windows port.
In the case of Sun, that was Sun's choice which is the point you are missing.
You're missing my point. Apple is a CORPORATION just like Sun back in the day. Apple has Windows developers since they put out iTunes for Windows. If Apple want their Open Source language to be successful, they should port it to Windows. They're not lacking the resources like Linus, RMS and Canonical.
Secondly using Cygwin is not porting to Windows. That's running Linux in a VM in Windows.
If I can use it on Windows, then its a Windows program. I'm not a purist.
Windows is different.
I used to work in the video game industry when the PlayStation 2 (Linux-based), xBox (Windows-based) and GameCube (probably Linux-based) were current gen consoles. The developers would code on the PlayStation 2, and then port to the other consoles from the same codebase. A generalized bug fixed for the PlayStation 2 got fixed for the other platforms. Nintendo rejected anything that looked like a PlayStation 2 port, which required more work for the GameCube version than the Xbox version. Using a common codebase for multiple platforms with different operating systems was doable. That Apple is unwilling to do a Windows port suggests that they didn't something wrong.
You're either dumber than an ashtray, or you're a troll.
My question is perfectly valid. No reason to insult me for asking a question.
If a Windows version shouldn't be that difficult, YOU do it. That's the point of open source.
I'm not a CORPORATION with the resources to develop a new programming and put it out on multiple platforms.
Expecting someone who open sourced something to put it on the platform of your choice is equally selfish.
How far would Java have gotten if it only ran on Sun SPARC systems?
Why don't you learn Windows APIs, C#, etc and do it yourself.
I don't have to. Someone else did a Cygwin port.
Open source doesnâ(TM)t require that someone else do the work of porting the software to your pet platform; thatâ(TM)s just your own laziness.
If a CORPORATION can put out the Linux and Mac versions, and have Windows developers on staff, porting to Windows shouldn't be a problem.
Most open source software ends up ported to other platforms, because as the source is available, it's relatively easy for someone to do it if the original maintainer doesn't want to, but that doesn't make them the same thing.
If you're putting out Open Source software for Linux and Mac, a Windows version shouldn't be that difficult. Especially since Apple has Windows development teams on hand to do the work.
You may have misunderstood what "open source" means.
Open source means being available on all platforms (i.e., Linux, Mac and Windows).
Looks like Swift got ported to Cygwin. :P
https://github.com/tinysun212/swift-windows
Where's the Windows version of Swift?
I haven't yet seen anything equivalent to the "birther" crap, but I won't be surprised if it arises.
I call it The Friends of Putin Club. Until Trump releases his tax returns, we don't know how much money he owes the Russian. The only person Trump ever talks about with admiration and respect is former KGB agent Putin. I grew up in the Cold War. Kissing Putin's ass makes me suspicious about what's really going on with Trump.
A valid point, but you have to think carefully before taking a $100K loan for anything, especially if you don't have a good plan for paying it.
The problem is that people don't think.
The correct response is not "We can't deliver", it's "You are a fucking moron, and I will inform your stakeholders as much."
The stakeholders were the ones who were driving this nonsense.
You shouldn't expect CS graduates to have any IT skills because CS training is distinct to IT training - you can have one without the other.
You have to be in IT in order to turn on a PC?
But your comment is one (of many!) examples that the left is no more rational or measured than the right.
I'm a moderate conservative and I don't represent the left. I find it interesting that the Republicans who derided Obama all these years are hyperventilating that Trump will get the same treatment by the Democrats.
As my mom taught me: "Two wrongs don't make a right!"
As my father taught me: "What goes around comes around."
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Remember that Trump is neither a conservative nor a Republican, and, just a few short years ago, a Clinton Democrat. If you're going to put a Clinton Democrat in the White House, it should be Hillary.
So you looked at the worst people on the other side of the aisle and said:
"That is what I want to be!"
Nope. I'm not advocating that Mr. Trump be lynched from a tree.