Most of your reasoning is interesting. In fact having read Asimov I liked the way you put it.
Although... I have a simple suspect. You have NO history or social sciences or anthropology formal education. You like having your facts simplified so you can "reason" deeply.
Modern society has evolved into a 2-phase system where it reacts to new perturbations by simply breaking them into two possibilities - this helps relieve tensions and most people get stuck in one of the two states.
Never put your foot out of WASP society, have you?
Even if this statement would be true who says "modern societies" are important in the context discussed ? They are a minimal part of humanity and are NOT a template of where ore cultures are heading anyway....
Society IS conservative, but as a whole there is so much more happening that you point is useless....
BTW jumping to conclusions without any ability to argument seriously my personal opinion... I totally agree with you conclusion: Of course, you would also read that not all systems are inherently chaotic. It is by no means obvious that human society is complex enough to be called unpredictable in principle.:))
sorry if I'm patronising but you really get only half the point. I already knew you didn't want to exploit anybody. Fact is you have a choice when you rationalize all this:
1)it is morally RIGHT that precisely those people live with their hands deep in shit for your well being,
2)there is a free DEAL under which they do it for your well being. Never second guess why they took the deal, just respect the other party.
Anything else is exploiting them, and as you seem a decent person I guess you know option 1 is really not an option without some NASTY ideology/philosophy in support. Even if they were free to get the deal only because they didn't have the freedom to get any other deal...
So what? If You are free to choose it's mostly your family's hard work. Not your's. And its not these peoples' fault if they weren't educated. Even the most low IQ person you now can do more than cleaning the floor. Alot more. Besides most of them ARE educated at least enough to do a different job. Though choices happen, people fail. These guys are those fighting back. That is why you must respect them.
Talking about marketing, I hear your pain:) but the same goes on for them, I guess you have to pay the rent and if you miss technical skills... Still if Edison wan't in my list there was a reason:)
Better. Substitute Israle/Siria for Irak/Kuwait and keep water.
Hardly anything in the real world is clear cut.
In the long run cooperation or total annichilation of the other are the only options.
We have refused genocide (thankfully) but politically and militarily we are off balance. that is why a peace process is so hard.
Historically winners got to survive and write history: Vae victis said the Romans. Peace was imposed with the arms. Not as peace keeping but as clearing the world from enemies: Carthago delenda est.
I hope most agree that erasing israelis or palestinians is NOT an option. Sadly political and military strategy have to catch up to history. I don't envy Tony Blair if the really wants to try to sort out the mess. Ireland was a peace of cake.....
And once technology has advanced enough, people will no longer have to collect garbage. I doubt anyone aspires to becoming a garbage collector/janitor, it's most likely that they are only doing it because they don't have any recognised 'skills' for a 'better' job, or there are no free jobs available that utilise their skills. You can be thankful that the job is being done, but it's a bit strange to respect people for doing that job unless they actually chose to do it?
And you probably haven't worked alot in our life. (teenage ? 20 something?) Besides, the world is full of people that "choose" not to work but to depend on somebody or worse.
You certainly NEED to respect people who do a job you wouldn't want to. To second guess their choice is childish. In fact, if you believe they had no choice but to do a job YOU would rather not this sounds alot like exploiting them.....
You are right on one count. Someday bots will do the dirty job. When doing R&D you will have changed my life I will respect you.
Until then, in my personal hall of fame: Tesla, Marconi, Steve Jobs, janitors, garbage collectors.
Considering certain patterns of light, as found in some video games, for example, have the ability to bring about seizures and people the suffer from Epilepsy, it makes sanse that certain patterns of light would also be able to reverse that effect.
Considering certain patterns of falling boulders, as found on some mountains, for example, have the ability to bring death and people the suffer from Epilepsy (sic!). it makes sanse that certain patterns of falling boulders would also be able to reverse that effect. NOT!
Common sense is not a substitute for knowledge. The two effects are not even related.
or they are getting good deals from the 90nm fabs as they drop prices to compete with the 65nm fabs (I believe AMD outsources a lot of their fab work.)
you believe wrong.
Intel, amd and IBM are the three last big behemoths of bleeding edge chip fabrication. And to keep up IBM and AMD signed a deep alliance at the beginning of the decade.
First outsourcing for chips from AMD was last year and it took 5 years and a failed deal to arrange. Normally in these conditions partners are NOT fungible. As in THERE ARE NO 65nm merchant fabs in the world who can compete with Intel or AMD...
They are clearing inventory. The point is: what will the price of the new parts be?? In the chip industry this is the way price wars erupt. You make MORE space than necessary in your listings and the new parts start lower than where the older parts started.
MOD DOWN, maybe some reality check could help, I'll waste mod points just because your comment is at +5 now,
please mod the parent down. (troll, liar or ingnorant, you choose) There are a lot of GOOD reasons to come live in Italy. Especially if you like and want the good sides of this country. There are also a lot of reasons to go somewhere else, I personally am thinking of relocating...
But here we go in demolishing your dreams :
Free medical (YES) And it works, go look statistics for health and age and you WANT to live here... Maybe its beaurocratic maybe a little rude and maybe we struggle to reform as much a we could. But we are healthier than most people in the planet. The system delivers.
Free dental. Huh?? no such thing in italy except for serious medical conditions. you have probably never lived here... Or you never went to a dentist....
High taxes. Yes too high.... BUT we don't pay for a lot of services that the state provides.... You may like it, you may not. (I don't) But at the end of the month things aren't very different from most european countries and the states.
Good unemplyment as in NONE... Right, you have never lived here. YOU ARE MAKING IT UP.... Only a very small percentage of the workforce has some temporary unemplyment.
Good retirement. It was. Degrading fast, it was financially non sustainable.
Almost no chance of getting fired. Mostly true, *slowly* changing.
6 hour work days. UTTER NONSENSE. most people put 40 hours a week. Hospital workers or IT staff ridicoulously more as in the STATES. Why do you post if you don't know jack? Bored at work ??
30 days of vacation. Depends. No simple generalization here, depends on your industry and on how many years you have worked. But it is way more than in the states. Comparable to other parts of Europe I guess.
Social services suck. ?? subjective. It depends A LOT on where you lived (A LOT) But in some parts of northern italy they are WAY better than most of the experiences I have heard from the states or other parts of Europe.
Want a painkiller? Have it. Buy it if you like ??? Troll
Want an annual dental checkup? Tough. Hahhahaha Somebody in your relocation department LIED to you.... There is no state dental service. That is why you got no check up. Last I checked the dentist around the corner was VERY happy to check me for a nice "check"
Repeated break-ins ??? You have never lived here. Or you chose a very strange area for an american to live in. Crime here is not even in the same league as in some place of the US. To much TV, perhaps ??? but yes often it is difficult to get the attention of the police. Which is mostly a feature. Nobody lands in jail here because of a wrong attitude if you know what I mean...
You couldn't live working 6 days a week because for 80% of the workforce this is forbidden. (liar)
'so some 22-yo punk could sit in the park all day and smoke pot.' SADLY there ISN'T, and never has been, any kind of social policy in italy to transfer money to young unemplyed people, even in the relatively rare cases where it's useful. Mostly it ends up in overblown pensions. But I never happened to see 72-yo punks smoking pot in the park.
Set aside the sensible answers you have aleady recieved for your rational assesment of the risk new technology may be implemented into weapons.
Think for a second: I just hope global nano terrorism is not just around the corner. Isn't this just a little too buzword compliant. Is it possible that americans are so scared and paranoid today that EVERYTHING has to do with terrorism??!!! Gosh, am I fed up.
go discuss gray goo and doomsday but please leave fox and bush alone....
Both Berners Lee and Torvalds did both though. They created the WWW and Linux/and/ gave them away. Sounds pretty close to the socialist ideal to me.
Neither has hesitated to profit from his invention, as well they shouldn't. Both will tell you that the reason they released it for free wasn't altruism, but that it was the only way it could have evolved into what it became.
Repeat with me: -socialism has nothing to do with altruism!
-socialism is a 19th-century "scientific" ideology (:= it has a precise analitical definition. and as any *old* scientific theory has been mostly replaced by newer stuff. Have you ever tried applying maxwell's theory to black holes? Little sense there. Maxwell isn't better than Marx. and marx isn't that bad at all if you look at it this way...:)
-socialism shoudn't be used as a marketing term for political FUD (this role is currently played by "terrorism")
So in this sense OSS has a particularly evident "socialist" side. This doesn't mean that it is more important than other sides or that OSS avoids relating with everything new under the sun in the last 150 years... say for example: marketing, monetary theory, mass production, information theory, free markets, human rights, anthropology etc.etc. OSS also abides to the laws of termodynamics, this doesn't mean it doesn't obey evolution theory or that either is relevant or not.:)))
So what I am saying is that attitude is in some sense irrelevant to history. I met the guy ten years ago at one of the first web conferences. He is brilliant and has a filanthopic attitude I would say. Who knows? he might even say he would sympathize with a "socialist" attitude.:) I hope, but doubt, he will do it again with the semantic web stuff. As most great men his biggest achievement occured while he was young, but he certainly will have an impact on the same scale of Gutenberg!
Pity though, I very much agreed on everything with your first post. A cynical attitude is healthy but must be applied evenhandedly:)
I "steal it" in the weekends. I have driven this on highways with any kind of weather.
The speed is electronically limited to 140 kmph (88 mph, after you know what happens;) It can easily manage 140 kmph sustained. In fact downhill you can feel the car slowing the engine on purpose. Weird feeling:)
Under heavy raining its no problem. In fact slowing down to 110 kmph is advisable, but I guess it should be regardless of the car. The thing has go so much electronic controls that it corrects a lot of driving mistakes ( I think it kept me from loosing the car in a sharp turn in a highway under the rain at least once). Its a good feeling:)
I would definetly say it is SAFER than most small cars.
Strong side winds (as in VERY strong, say a couple of days a year in northern Italy) are another matter.
It is so high and weighs so little it behaves more like a bike in those conditions:) It is drivable, and I have done it. But it stops being fun and you have to "drive it"...
But for driving in a city and some weekends on the snow or at the sea barring thunderstorms it is simply PERFECT.
masses act like children. Guts dominate any reasoning. Its not that intellectuals control elections.
Italians have done what you say for decades. We have had the strongest communist party in western countries for this exact reason.
The problem is that what you suggest generates conflict. And conflict in countries on the border of the empire are a good excuse for ingerence in internal affairs. Often it is some fellow citizen that asks some foreign power to intervene for the sake of $your_preferred_ethical_value.
Canada is smaller, more related to the US and more strategic than Italy. So it is easier to gain influence without much conflict.
Otoh we have been one of the major border during the cold war. Communists nearly won the elections of 1974.
Guess what would have happened if Italy had switched. You really think the CIA waited for the polls before acting.
We have had nearly 20 years of terrorism in the 70s and 80s from the far left. Guess what these people were traind in cecoslovacchia in the early 70s when it was hoped they could lead to destabilizing Italy and maybe to a revolution. BUT in the late 70s and early 80s when it became clear that the net effect of all that violence was to reinforce the incumbent government. The CIA and the italian military financed terrorism.
Italy gained nothing from being the center of conflict. We won't gain much in being a second class colony.
IF the superpower is really super, and IF it enacts a policy of imperial isolationsm where it gets involved in foreign affairs without any multilateralisn the only solution to being out of the loop is to join them.
If the war is lost the we should apply to become the 52 state of whatever.
At least being a swing state could bring us some federal money;^)
Would you mind if americans could vote in your elections though
I am from Italy.
You would be shokcked how much DIRECT influnce and indirect (read this as CIA money to politicians making more than 75% of politics financing) the USA have had and still have in poitics here.
While YMMV if you choose other countries in europe I guess most of the world is in this situation.
You want to vote here? Go ahead. It would simply make the sistem more transparent. It already is that way. Actually it would also be more fair to YOU. Your government has been fucking around with other nations politics for decades. I reckon this was not done in your knowledge and with a clear policy investiture by the US constituency.
IF (and it already is this way) I have to have americans mess with my politics I'd rather have CITIZENS express their vote. After all as Sting put it in the 80s "I guess the americans love their children too":)
So I wholehartedly sustain the parent's parent opinion that maybe we should all vote for the Presidential elections.
BindO
PS I also sadly believe that should this happen (as it happened in the Roman Empire) that we all get Citizenship Rights , that second all our media would be hammered down to american level.
I wonder how these black boxes will go over in Italy...
God, you are such a jerk... And arrogant !!!:)
The boxes are already here in Italy. And as a matter of fact HAVE gps built in.
Not only, they dump data continuosly on a GPRS link....
I am an insurance broker and one of my big clients is selling the boxes. Selected (by us) insurance companies offer discounts. Its only a test. All the problems highlighted in this discussion are known to companies. They are still looking around.
Listen, we all know all cars will have these devices in 2020. What is still up in the air is who owns the data and how to use it. the temptation to simply stop paying claims because NOBODY EVER is totally compliant with every rule is obviously there, but refrained for know. Regulation will arrive before any serious problem could arise.
One point. Here in europe we have privacy laws. My clients OWN their data and have a right to control it. Not only, the black box is operated and remotely controlled by a services company, not by the insurance companies. This company has some leverage on the insurance market, and will defend its clients. If (when) I have to drive with a black box I'll prefer doing it in Europe than in the States.
What I think could really be a problem are subpoenas to get the data, for criminal investigations. This can be a seriuos issue. New laws will have to be framed.
PS to anser the italian AC above: right now most of the business is in theft insurance as the black box is also used to react to theft attempts and localize the car. The net effect is LESS theft. It is still to prove that there will be less accidents (I don't believe so) In Naples we sell alot, and some people try fraud. There is a lot of fraud in normal insurance as well. It will be much harder to do so with this system. Believe me. This should lower rates as well....
The question is though, why would a company who makes spyware (who's very nature is to be secretive and hard to remove) want to follow Google's principles?"
Because a search engine and an anti-spyware/virus software do VERY similar jobs.
Scan huge amounts of data for fingerprints and patterns.
That's why they use the creative commons license. Today the way NAT handles our IPs is boring. But look at how they solve the problem.
In fact its a good Idea! I'll patch our firewall this weekend so that we apply the creative commons scheme here as well.
The email of the CEO readable by everybody. The maniac down the corridor pops up a pr0n site and it gets loaded on a random set of screens around the company. And don't even get me started on online banking...
Slashdot Mirror
Most of your reasoning is interesting. In fact having read Asimov I liked the way you put it.
:))
Although... I have a simple suspect.
You have NO history or social sciences or anthropology formal education.
You like having your facts simplified so you can "reason" deeply.
Modern society has evolved into a 2-phase system where it reacts to new perturbations by simply breaking them into two possibilities - this helps relieve tensions and most people get stuck in one of the two states.
Never put your foot out of WASP society, have you?
Even if this statement would be true who says "modern societies" are important in the context discussed ? They are a minimal part of humanity and are NOT a template of where ore cultures are heading anyway....
Society IS conservative, but as a whole there is so much more happening that you point is useless....
BTW jumping to conclusions without any ability to argument seriously my personal opinion... I totally agree with you conclusion:
Of course, you would also read that not all systems are inherently chaotic. It is by no means obvious that human society is complex enough to be called unpredictable in principle.
Listen,
:) but the same goes on for them, I guess you have to pay the rent and if you miss technical skills... :)
sorry if I'm patronising but you really get only half the point. I already knew you didn't want to exploit anybody. Fact is you have a choice when you rationalize all this:
1)it is morally RIGHT that precisely those people live with their hands deep in shit for your well being,
2)there is a free DEAL under which they do it for your well being. Never second guess why they took the deal, just respect the other party.
Anything else is exploiting them, and as you seem a decent person I guess you know option 1 is really not an option without some NASTY ideology/philosophy in support.
Even if they were free to get the deal only because they didn't have the freedom to get any other deal...
So what? If You are free to choose it's mostly your family's hard work. Not your's. And its not these peoples' fault if they weren't educated. Even the most low IQ person you now can do more than cleaning the floor. Alot more. Besides most of them ARE educated at least enough to do a different job. Though choices happen, people fail. These guys are those fighting back.
That is why you must respect them.
Talking about marketing, I hear your pain
Still if Edison wan't in my list there was a reason
Bindo
Better.
.....
Substitute Israle/Siria for Irak/Kuwait and keep water.
Hardly anything in the real world is clear cut.
In the long run cooperation or total annichilation of the other are the only options.
We have refused genocide (thankfully) but politically and militarily we are off balance.
that is why a peace process is so hard.
Historically winners got to survive and write history: Vae victis said the Romans. Peace was imposed with the arms. Not as peace keeping but as clearing the world from enemies: Carthago delenda est.
I hope most agree that erasing israelis or palestinians is NOT an option. Sadly political and military strategy have to catch up to history.
I don't envy Tony Blair if the really wants to try to sort out the mess. Ireland was a peace of cake
Bindo
And once technology has advanced enough, people will no longer have to collect garbage. I doubt anyone aspires to becoming a garbage collector/janitor, it's most likely that they are only doing it because they don't have any recognised 'skills' for a 'better' job, or there are no free jobs available that utilise their skills. You can be thankful that the job is being done, but it's a bit strange to respect people for doing that job unless they actually chose to do it?
.....
...
And you probably haven't worked alot in our life. (teenage ? 20 something?)
Besides, the world is full of people that "choose" not to work but to depend on somebody or worse.
You certainly NEED to respect people who do a job you wouldn't want to. To second guess their choice is childish. In fact, if you believe they had no choice but to do a job YOU would rather not this sounds alot like exploiting them
You are right on one count. Someday bots will do the dirty job.
When doing R&D you will have changed my life I will respect you.
Until then, in my personal hall of fame: Tesla, Marconi, Steve Jobs, janitors, garbage collectors.
Bindo
Considering certain patterns of light, as found in some video games, for example, have the ability to bring about seizures and people the suffer from Epilepsy, it makes sanse that certain patterns of light would also be able to reverse that effect.
Considering certain patterns of falling boulders, as found on some mountains, for example, have the ability to bring death and people the suffer from Epilepsy (sic!). it makes sanse that certain patterns of falling boulders would also be able to reverse that effect.
NOT!
Common sense is not a substitute for knowledge. The two effects are not even related.
or they are getting good deals from the 90nm fabs as they drop prices to compete with the 65nm fabs (I believe AMD outsources a lot of their fab work.)
...
you believe wrong.
Intel, amd and IBM are the three last big behemoths of bleeding edge chip fabrication. And to keep up IBM and AMD signed a deep alliance at the beginning of the decade.
First outsourcing for chips from AMD was last year and it took 5 years and a failed deal to arrange.
Normally in these conditions partners are NOT fungible. As in THERE ARE NO 65nm merchant fabs in the world who can compete with Intel or AMD
They are clearing inventory. The point is: what will the price of the new parts be??
In the chip industry this is the way price wars erupt. You make MORE space than necessary in your listings and the new parts start lower than where the older parts started.
MOD DOWN, maybe some reality check could help, I'll waste mod points just because your comment is at +5 now,
please mod the parent down. (troll, liar or ingnorant, you choose)
There are a lot of GOOD reasons to come live in Italy. Especially if you like and want the good sides of this country.
There are also a lot of reasons to go somewhere else, I personally am thinking of relocating...
But here we go in demolishing your dreams :
Free medical (YES)
And it works, go look statistics for health and age and you WANT to live here... Maybe its beaurocratic maybe a little rude and maybe we struggle to reform as much a we could. But we are healthier than most people in the planet.
The system delivers.
Free dental. Huh?? no such thing in italy except for serious medical conditions.
you have probably never lived here... Or you never went to a dentist....
High taxes. Yes too high.... BUT we don't pay for a lot of services that the state provides....
You may like it, you may not. (I don't) But at the end of the month things aren't very different from most european countries and the states.
Good unemplyment as in NONE... Right, you have never lived here.
YOU ARE MAKING IT UP....
Only a very small percentage of the workforce has some temporary unemplyment.
Good retirement. It was. Degrading fast, it was financially non sustainable.
Almost no chance of getting fired. Mostly true, *slowly* changing.
6 hour work days.
UTTER NONSENSE.
most people put 40 hours a week. Hospital workers or IT staff ridicoulously more as in the STATES.
Why do you post if you don't know jack? Bored at work ??
30 days of vacation. Depends. No simple generalization here, depends on your industry and on how many years you have worked. But it is way more than in the states. Comparable to other parts of Europe I guess.
Social services suck. ?? subjective. It depends A LOT on where you lived (A LOT) But in some parts of northern italy they are WAY better than most of the experiences I have heard from the states or other parts of Europe.
Want a painkiller? Have it. Buy it if you like ??? Troll
Want an annual dental checkup? Tough.
Hahhahaha Somebody in your relocation department LIED to you.... There is no state dental service. That is why you got no check up. Last I checked the dentist around the corner was VERY happy to check me for a nice "check"
Repeated break-ins ???
You have never lived here. Or you chose a very strange area for an american to live in.
Crime here is not even in the same league as in some place of the US. To much TV, perhaps ???
but yes often it is difficult to get the attention of the police. Which is mostly a feature. Nobody lands in jail here because of a wrong attitude if you know what I mean...
You couldn't live working 6 days a week because for 80% of the workforce this is forbidden. (liar)
'so some 22-yo punk could sit in the park all day and smoke pot.'
SADLY there ISN'T, and never has been, any kind of social policy in italy to transfer money to young unemplyed people, even in the relatively rare cases where it's useful. Mostly it ends up in overblown pensions.
But I never happened to see 72-yo punks smoking pot in the park.
TROLL
Please, please.
Please tell me this is a troll I am feeding.
Set aside the sensible answers you have aleady recieved for your rational assesment of the risk new technology may be implemented into weapons.
Think for a second: I just hope global nano terrorism is not just around the corner.
Isn't this just a little too buzword compliant. Is it possible that americans are so scared and paranoid today that EVERYTHING has to do with terrorism??!!! Gosh, am I fed up.
go discuss gray goo and doomsday but please leave fox and bush alone....
If they expect something like this to work, it needs to be worked out on a European scale, not just a national one...
OI! Shut up! I said SHUT UP!!
Both Berners Lee and Torvalds did both though. They created the WWW and Linux /and/ gave them away. Sounds pretty close to the socialist ideal to me.
:= it has a precise analitical definition. and as any *old* scientific theory has been mostly replaced by newer stuff. Have you ever tried applying maxwell's theory to black holes? Little sense there. Maxwell isn't better than Marx. and marx isn't that bad at all if you look at it this way ... :)
... say for example: marketing, monetary theory, mass production, information theory, free markets, human rights, anthropology etc.etc. :)))
:)
:)
Neither has hesitated to profit from his invention, as well they shouldn't. Both will tell you that the reason they released it for free wasn't altruism, but that it was the only way it could have evolved into what it became.
Repeat with me:
-socialism has nothing to do with altruism!
-socialism is a 19th-century "scientific" ideology (
-socialism shoudn't be used as a marketing term for political FUD (this role is currently played by "terrorism")
So in this sense OSS has a particularly evident "socialist" side. This doesn't mean that it is more important than other sides or that OSS avoids relating with everything new under the sun in the last 150 years
OSS also abides to the laws of termodynamics, this doesn't mean it doesn't obey evolution theory or that either is relevant or not.
So what I am saying is that attitude is in some sense irrelevant to history.
I met the guy ten years ago at one of the first web conferences. He is brilliant and has a filanthopic attitude I would say. Who knows? he might even say he would sympathize with a "socialist" attitude.
I hope, but doubt, he will do it again with the semantic web stuff. As most great men his biggest achievement occured while he was young, but he certainly will have an impact on the same scale of Gutenberg!
Pity though, I very much agreed on everything with your first post.
A cynical attitude is healthy but must be applied evenhandedly
Bind0
Weve got one at the office for city trips.
;) It can easily manage 140 kmph sustained. In fact downhill you can feel the car slowing the engine on purpose. Weird feeling :)
:)
:) It is drivable, and I have done it. But it stops being fun and you have to "drive it"...
I "steal it" in the weekends. I have driven this on highways with any kind of weather.
The speed is electronically limited to 140 kmph (88 mph, after you know what happens
Under heavy raining its no problem. In fact slowing down to 110 kmph is advisable, but I guess it should be regardless of the car.
The thing has go so much electronic controls that it corrects a lot of driving mistakes ( I think it kept me from loosing the car in a sharp turn in a highway under the rain at least once). Its a good feeling
I would definetly say it is SAFER than most small cars.
Strong side winds (as in VERY strong, say a couple of days a year in northern Italy) are another matter.
It is so high and weighs so little it behaves more like a bike in those conditions
But for driving in a city and some weekends on the snow or at the sea barring thunderstorms it is simply PERFECT.
Bindo
blastro
;^)
all you say is very true.
But
masses act like children. Guts dominate any reasoning.
Its not that intellectuals control elections.
Italians have done what you say for decades.
We have had the strongest communist party in western countries for this exact reason.
The problem is that what you suggest generates conflict. And conflict in countries on the border of the empire are a good excuse for ingerence in internal affairs.
Often it is some fellow citizen that asks some foreign power to intervene for the sake of $your_preferred_ethical_value.
Canada is smaller, more related to the US and more strategic than Italy. So it is easier to gain influence without much conflict.
Otoh we have been one of the major border during the cold war.
Communists nearly won the elections of 1974.
Guess what would have happened if Italy had switched.
You really think the CIA waited for the polls before acting.
We have had nearly 20 years of terrorism in the 70s and 80s from the far left.
Guess what these people were traind in cecoslovacchia in the early 70s when it was hoped they could lead to destabilizing Italy and maybe to a revolution.
BUT in the late 70s and early 80s when it became clear that the net effect of all that violence was to reinforce the incumbent government. The CIA and the italian military financed terrorism.
Italy gained nothing from being the center of conflict.
We won't gain much in being a second class colony.
IF the superpower is really super, and IF it enacts a policy of imperial isolationsm where it gets involved in foreign affairs without any multilateralisn the only solution to being out of the loop is to join them.
If the war is lost the we should apply to become the 52 state of whatever.
At least being a swing state could bring us some federal money
Bind0
Would you mind if americans could vote in your elections though
:)
I am from Italy.
You would be shokcked how much DIRECT influnce and indirect (read this as CIA money to politicians making more than 75% of politics financing) the USA have had and still have in poitics here.
While YMMV if you choose other countries in europe I guess most of the world is in this situation.
You want to vote here?
Go ahead. It would simply make the sistem more transparent. It already is that way.
Actually it would also be more fair to YOU.
Your government has been fucking around with other nations politics for decades.
I reckon this was not done in your knowledge and with a clear policy investiture by the US constituency.
IF (and it already is this way) I have to have americans mess with my politics I'd rather have CITIZENS express their vote. After all as Sting put it in the 80s "I guess the americans love their children too"
So I wholehartedly sustain the parent's parent opinion that maybe we should all vote for the Presidential elections.
BindO
PS I also sadly believe that should this happen (as it happened in the Roman Empire) that we all get Citizenship Rights , that second all our media would be hammered down to american level.
Err... what is worng with math on slashdot today ? :)
:))
(!!!! well never mind
its neither 60Hz or 1/60Hz.
you get around one heart beat per sec so its near 1Hz....
who cares how many secs in a min ?
Bind0
I wonder how these black boxes will go over in Italy...
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God, you are such a jerk...
And arrogant !!!
The boxes are already here in Italy. And as a matter of fact HAVE gps built in.
Not only, they dump data continuosly on a GPRS link....
I am an insurance broker and one of my big clients is selling the boxes. Selected (by us) insurance companies offer discounts. Its only a test. All the problems highlighted in this discussion are known to companies. They are still looking around.
Listen, we all know all cars will have these devices in 2020. What is still up in the air is who owns the data and how to use it. the temptation to simply stop paying claims because NOBODY EVER is totally compliant with every rule is obviously there, but refrained for know.
Regulation will arrive before any serious problem could arise.
One point.
Here in europe we have privacy laws.
My clients OWN their data and have a right to control it. Not only, the black box is operated and remotely controlled by a services company, not by the insurance companies. This company has some leverage on the insurance market, and will defend its clients. If (when) I have to drive with a black box I'll prefer doing it in Europe than in the States.
What I think could really be a problem are subpoenas to get the data, for criminal investigations. This can be a seriuos issue. New laws will have to be framed.
PS to anser the italian AC above: right now most of the business is in theft insurance as the black box is also used to react to theft attempts and localize the car.
The net effect is LESS theft.
It is still to prove that there will be less accidents (I don't believe so)
In Naples we sell alot, and some people try fraud. There is a lot of fraud in normal insurance as well. It will be much harder to do so with this system. Believe me.
This should lower rates as well
The question is though, why would a company who makes spyware (who's very nature is to be secretive and hard to remove) want to follow Google's principles?"
Because a search engine and an anti-spyware/virus software do VERY similar jobs.
Scan huge amounts of data for fingerprints and patterns.
And Google as a platform is looming pretty fast.
Bind0
RIIIiiight...
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so DOING the calculations you would be just 10^4 off a 20 kiloton bomb.
That is the equivalent of a 2 ton bomb (tnt equivalent).
I think Most militaries have these at least since WWII
so what ?
Bind0
yes Mental RUT !!!!
that is what happened to the greeks.
The fact the Romans dominated the world for nearly another millenium is irrelevant.
As well as the fact that pagan culture was lost to christianity centuries before the dark ages came.
And the fact that in the whole eastern side of the empire things wen't merely on for other hundreds of years...
By the way, if you go read a history book take your time to check IF technology stood still from 1200bc to 200bc in Greece.
get a clue!
1^2=1; (-1)^2=1; 1^2=(-1)^2; 1=-1; 1=0
... boring
in fact with your arithmetic:
1=-1
2=0
1=0
n=0
n+1=0
which in fact becomes n+0=0
That's why they use the creative commons license.
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:)
Today the way NAT handles our IPs is boring. But look at how they solve the problem.
In fact its a good Idea! I'll patch our firewall this weekend so that we apply the creative commons scheme here as well.
The email of the CEO readable by everybody. The maniac down the corridor pops up a pr0n site and it gets loaded on a random set of screens around the company. And don't even get me started on online banking
delightful
Bind0
attract the law enforcement?
;^)
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wow, in the country where I live nobody would ever have this idea. Not even for a joke. I just would not come to mind.
I must be a had place to live where you live
ciao
AMD and Intel would not be able to produce their microprocessors without IP from both companies today already.
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Its been like this for more than ten years
AMD will have access to this technology.
Any leader who's country's most popular show is bayatch should be in despair about his people...
But alas, I've come to understand the limitations of people who don't primarily speak english.
What a sad place to live where you have to come to understand something so obvious.
kinkie! you semm knowledgable.
;^)
What GPRS terminale are already out there ?
bindo