This isn't evidence of Indian government doing things right, its evidence of them doings going WRONG. What is wrong with these billion people that not even a fraction of a percent of them are skilled enough to fill these jobs?
RTFA. This is not about tech jobs per se. It is about Indians not being fluent enough in Hungarian to tap a new client in Budapest. So the Indian company wants to open an office in eastern Europe and hire some locals with a working knowledge of English to expand.
There are some problems with Indian education system (like with education system in any country). But you can not infer that from this article.
Oh, sure the COST of labor is what makes them competitive compared to American workers, but in terms of actually having the necessary skills to compete, its still no contest.
Time to take off your anti-outsourcing glasses. Things are changing. Unless you accept and adapt, you will be left whining.
I remember hearing in a presentation by one of the early architects of NT that the geeks in Microsoft wanted to name their OS Windows NT for being a successor to VMS (the OS NT was spinned out of) - letters W, N, T being successors of V, M, S respectively. The company being more marketing oriented than geek oriented, what has stuck though is "new technology" for Joe Sixpack's benefit.
He explains that Microsoft wanted to focus on fewer legislations Which legislations are they focusing on instead?
RTFA. From the story:
"we decided to focus on a limited number of issues that are more directly related to our business such as computer privacy, education, and competitiveness."
Eh? What stunning advancements? Most of the architectures in use today go all the way back to the early 70's. They've merely become commercially available to the average Joe in recent years.
Stuff that the grandparent missed:
1. Quantam computing
2. Formal verification of systems: Born in 60s and 70s to likes of Djikstra and Lamport, revived in late 80s and early 90s, used in hardware design today. Still a lot to do for software design.
Yes, compilers, wired networks and OS have been pretty stagnant as far as research is considered - and thats what computer engineers think computer science is. And sci-fi fans add AI to the list.
NOTHING else is as cheap. No pro sports, concerts, operas, plays, ballets
Comparing apples and oranges. Can not compare price of a live performance to a recorded one.
Compare price of a music CD to music cassette. Music CDs were priced ~3 times the price of music cassette when they were introduced(and marketed) as a new concept providing better quality. Part of higher cost would have been justified by the fact that sales of CDs would not be as high as the cassettes because not everybody had the systems to play them and costs to setup new technology.
Today a blank CD costs approximately..umm..nothing. Now that CDs are de facto standards having replaced the cassette, why not reduce the price?
It is well known that in a universe of practically infinite time that all numbers less than infinity might as well be 1.
Numbers - yes. Probabilities - no. Parent was talking about chances of something happening to be 1 in 10^50. From someone quoting from quantum theory, cosmology and what not, this comment does sound sophomoric and makes me heavily doubt the rest.
Yeah..you can mod me Flamebait.;)
It will probably make more sense for developing countries who currently do not have a cable network and will probably have a wifi a good 10-12 years after developed world. Surely more areas there will have power lines than cable/fibre.
Japan was able to do what it did, IMHO, because it was able to educate and modernize itself quickly and pervasively.
Yes, India today!=Japan in the 1960s. India today, trading with rest of the world at "somewhat" more even terms, is where Japan was in 1890s. Japan - with never under the colonial rulers sucking away its wealth - started developing industry and infrastructure for the Japanese people and reforming its society to create even playing field for industries that wanted to grow since 1860s. http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2130.html
Yes, WW2 was a huge setback to thriving Japanese people and they did quite well to be where they are today. However when one generation has seen days of wealth, it does inspire the next generation to build an even greater empire. Not taking anything from them - they are probably the one of most hardworking ethnic groups.
India, OTOH, had its first big war of independence against the British in 1857 and became a soveriegn country and started working for itself in 1947. Those very reforms that started as early as 1860s in Japan, started around the turn of this century in India.
Whether India can do that, or even if it is willing to do that (They throw away their best engineers, who graduated from a massive, publicly-funded university system! Does this sound like a sane government to you?), remains to be seen.
Given this historical context it seems to me India has done reasonably well in last 15 years and probably more quickly than other most other countries (including Japan) that I know of.
I happen to be an engineer from these publicly funded university system you are alluding to, and I dont know where am I being "thrown". At the risk of sounding presumptuous, let me add that engineers from these schools have played a big role in this.
I believe native americans immigrated too, just thousands of years earlier across the land bridge. There are no "real" americans
If you go by this logic there are no natives in any country other than Africa cos thats the land where Homo Sapiens first walked.
I know this group loves to hate Microsoft, but this story rings a bell in my head about the argument Microsoft always gives about its vulnerabilities being discovered the most cos hackers are more interested in finding them. With google having acquired a close to God status with its amazingly engineered products, those same hackers are now targetting its holes (pun intended).
This story talks about this vulnerability in google which allows somone to replace the google page with a simple form telling the user that google is now a subscription service and asking for their credit card details. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/21/google_des ktop_security_vuln/
Is closed-source software always going to be insecure because some hacker somewhere has issues with it? I hope not - cos writing closed source software is my bread and butter.
With google's empire growing the way it is, I wonder if it is the next Microsoft? I sincerely hope not!
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This is such a no-brainer I'm legitimately surprised MS hasn't done something like it.f o/default.mspx&e=42
MS has done what you described - sharepoint in Office suite. It comes with exchange integration and all that jazz.. http://www.microsoft.com/office/sharepoint/prodin
I think an article about Paris Hilton did it to me. I read both "condemn" and "condone" as *condom* in this post!
yet they can't make the freaking change to the metric system
And then "a Quarter Pounder with Cheese" will officially be "a Royale with cheese".
Which information is Wallet going to make accessible? My credit car number?
RTFA. This is not about tech jobs per se. It is about Indians not being fluent enough in Hungarian to tap a new client in Budapest. So the Indian company wants to open an office in eastern Europe and hire some locals with a working knowledge of English to expand.
There are some problems with Indian education system (like with education system in any country). But you can not infer that from this article.
Oh, sure the COST of labor is what makes them competitive compared to American workers, but in terms of actually having the necessary skills to compete, its still no contest.
Time to take off your anti-outsourcing glasses. Things are changing. Unless you accept and adapt, you will be left whining.
Try hotmail. I was pleasantly surprised to find it was quite fast.
I remember hearing in a presentation by one of the early architects of NT that the geeks in Microsoft wanted to name their OS Windows NT for being a successor to VMS (the OS NT was spinned out of) - letters W, N, T being successors of V, M, S respectively. The company being more marketing oriented than geek oriented, what has stuck though is "new technology" for Joe Sixpack's benefit.
RTFA. From the story: "we decided to focus on a limited number of issues that are more directly related to our business such as computer privacy, education, and competitiveness."
From http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0408spamsen tence-ON.html
"Jaynes was prosecuted not for pumping out e-mail in bulk, but for falsifying information used to route the messages."
I'll name just one since you just need an example - http://www.cc.gatech.edu/news/palem.pdfpbits.
Stuff that the grandparent missed:
1. Quantam computing
2. Formal verification of systems: Born in 60s and 70s to likes of Djikstra and Lamport, revived in late 80s and early 90s, used in hardware design today. Still a lot to do for software design.
Yes, compilers, wired networks and OS have been pretty stagnant as far as research is considered - and thats what computer engineers think computer science is. And sci-fi fans add AI to the list.
NOTHING else is as cheap. No pro sports, concerts, operas, plays, ballets
Comparing apples and oranges. Can not compare price of a live performance to a recorded one.
Compare price of a music CD to music cassette. Music CDs were priced ~3 times the price of music cassette when they were introduced(and marketed) as a new concept providing better quality. Part of higher cost would have been justified by the fact that sales of CDs would not be as high as the cassettes because not everybody had the systems to play them and costs to setup new technology. Today a blank CD costs approximately..umm..nothing. Now that CDs are de facto standards having replaced the cassette, why not reduce the price?
Agreed. Alice is anyday a better deal than Charlie, unless Bob is a friggin faggot.
Modded +4 informative for spreading FUD? Posting "BillG is gay" will do wonders to my Karma.
Writing this and being modded insightful +3...and they call the moslems barbaric.
Numbers - yes. Probabilities - no. Parent was talking about chances of something happening to be 1 in 10^50. From someone quoting from quantum theory, cosmology and what not, this comment does sound sophomoric and makes me heavily doubt the rest. Yeah..you can mod me Flamebait. ;)
It will probably make more sense for developing countries who currently do not have a cable network and will probably have a wifi a good 10-12 years after developed world. Surely more areas there will have power lines than cable/fibre.
Yes, India today!=Japan in the 1960s. India today, trading with rest of the world at "somewhat" more even terms, is where Japan was in 1890s. Japan - with never under the colonial rulers sucking away its wealth - started developing industry and infrastructure for the Japanese people and reforming its society to create even playing field for industries that wanted to grow since 1860s. http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2130.html Yes, WW2 was a huge setback to thriving Japanese people and they did quite well to be where they are today. However when one generation has seen days of wealth, it does inspire the next generation to build an even greater empire. Not taking anything from them - they are probably the one of most hardworking ethnic groups. India, OTOH, had its first big war of independence against the British in 1857 and became a soveriegn country and started working for itself in 1947. Those very reforms that started as early as 1860s in Japan, started around the turn of this century in India.
Whether India can do that, or even if it is willing to do that (They throw away their best engineers, who graduated from a massive, publicly-funded university system! Does this sound like a sane government to you?), remains to be seen.
Given this historical context it seems to me India has done reasonably well in last 15 years and probably more quickly than other most other countries (including Japan) that I know of. I happen to be an engineer from these publicly funded university system you are alluding to, and I dont know where am I being "thrown". At the risk of sounding presumptuous, let me add that engineers from these schools have played a big role in this.
I believe native americans immigrated too, just thousands of years earlier across the land bridge. There are no "real" americans If you go by this logic there are no natives in any country other than Africa cos thats the land where Homo Sapiens first walked.
This story talks about this vulnerability in google which allows somone to replace the google page with a simple form telling the user that google is now a subscription service and asking for their credit card details. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/21/google_des ktop_security_vuln/
Is closed-source software always going to be insecure because some hacker somewhere has issues with it? I hope not - cos writing closed source software is my bread and butter.
With google's empire growing the way it is, I wonder if it is the next Microsoft? I sincerely hope not!