MS will release its latest version of IE and will start to regain some of its lost market share. IE 7 is very nice to use, and should (while running on the next version of Windows) reduce security issues, not to mention better support for standards.
In all honesty I hope Firefox reachs 70% of the market share so they can get beat down with spyware/adaware...
I cant wait to send out an email telling people that I am taking Word off of thier workstations and putting on LaTex and ConTeXt (Did I get the proper capilizations? I dont want people thinking I am a retard for spelling errors!)
Yes I did read your post. You were basically saying that the avg Joe is a retard and will NEVER care nor want to care about security as long as he can read email, chat on IM and surf for porn, all while his 10 years old daughter downloads every P2P application on the Internet so she can download the newest Britney Spears video, and his 15 year old son uses the same P2P apps to download Bangbus episodes.
That being said MS has locked down Windows Vista fairly well, but are now trying to 'make it work for the avg Joe' so they can do all of the stuff mentioned above and be safe.
I've worked in a ISP call center for 3 years while in college, then and currently working as a consultant, so I know where your coming from. One thing I learnt when I got off of my 3 year cubical is that people will never change. When I worked for the call Center I assumed I just got all the idiots calling in, now I know that its normal to not care about computer security, you can show them, walk them through what to do, but most of the people dont care.
Solution: Dont allow people to log in as Administrator or make it hard to do so (ie, hide it in some odd place only accessible by modifying the registry and rebooting many times. Best way to help people not screw up in the Computer industry is to make it hard for them to do so.
editable drag and drop content sections, options for adding other or custom content. It has support for 5 languages including 3 variants of English (UK, US and Australian),
All these features are part of SharePoint which has been out for years, so I doubt they are copying google.
If people still think this is a rip off of google they need to think ahead. MS Vista is going to tie into this type of online content, and will be able to do cool things with it
MS has probably been working on this for some time now, so I doubt recent news spured this. I still think google is working on such a solution, but either couldnt come up with something worth pushing out to beta (this would be suprising considering the crap google has been putting out recently) or got word of MS coming out with its version and wanted to make sure the google version was better when released.
I like it, its nice to not have to pay for the full blown Sql Server edition if its not needed. When vendors only give you the option of MSDE or Sql Server for their application, its nice to save the expense Sql Server licensing. I have been seeing some vendors that give the option to use MySql or other OS database engines, but 3-4 years ago this wasnt even an option.
Yes it is free, I dont know where you got your information from, but you can freely download it or incorporate it in your commercial sofware (read the license agreement). I think it ships with Sql Server 2000 and Office, but its just a means of distribution. You would be suprised how many SMB solutions that use it, now that Oracle provides the same type of database I am sure it will follow the same road.
Ive installed it on approx 50 client workstations so far (ranging from Windows 2k - XP), about 5 times it just didnt work. It would load up and lock up the system. I havent bothered to look into the issue (ive just been testing it out to see if its worth while), but it hasnt impressed me so far.
Compare how much the Old/Gas companies have made in the past year compared to Software Vendors... Its insane! I spend over $6000 a year on gas.... On Software... well this year $0 considering I have been running XP, Office 2003 and VS 2003 for a few years now.
6k is an understand considering how much gas has gone up because of the huricanes, but then again my company picks up the tab:)
Ive been told (Havent looked it up yet, if anyone has the figures let me know) that Shell (gas company) made over 7billion last quarter alone!...
My experience with Exchange has been that it falls over frequently. That was a long time ago now, and I imagine it's much improved, but instability was the hallmark of my Exchange experience for some time.... cant argue there, but try Exchange 2000 and 2003, much has been improved. Because i am only 28 years old I cant comment on old technology. By the time I was able to experience Exchange 5.5 it was already implemented for a few years and stable, not sure what it took to get it that way, but I do know what it takes to upgrade those systems or implement 2000-2003, which isnt much.
I disagree; MS has shown that it is quite happy to foist buggy products on its users repeatedly until eventually responding to outcry by beginning development of a better solution. Witness, for example, Windows 98SE and Windows ME.
Well if you base MS technology on Windows 98 and Windows ME I cant really argue with you, as these OSs are not very strong as compared to Windows 2000/XP.. and just wait for Windows Vista, its Security features compare to most Distros of Linux. I know it has been said before, but as for Spyware/adware/viruses, until Windows doesnt dominate the Desktop, these threats will always be a MS issue.
This is also unsound. There may be another reason why corporations all over the world continue to use Outlook. I propose that that reason is that there are no alternatives, because only Outlook has the groupware and calendaring that works well with Exchange Key word there is there are no alternatives Sorry, but until someone can make a better server/client app for email, Exchange/Outlook will be king. Dont get me wrong, because of how expensive sever/email clients are I would love to see a comparable OpenSource offering, but there isnt (Our company would be able to make a lot of money off of such an server/client solution... If there is one let me know.)
As for the Small Business server comments you are correct except for: I am Mr. Bercell:). And that Small Business Server is usually suited to 50 employees and under (MS recommends 75 and under, but in my experience that is too high.)
Although its obvious you are anti-Microsoft and probably would never agree that MS doesnt anything write I will waste a few minutes of my life responding to you.
1. Exchange is in NO WAY stable
We have dozens of Exchange servers running, most of which have been around since 5.5. I've never seen an exchange server crash, on the rare occasion I've had to restart the services, but more often than not it was an issue with BackupExecs Exchange agent.
2. Possible true
No not possibly.. Its true, take a look. There are a lot of solid products in the market place, we have even deployed a few of them and havent noticed any issues.
3. I am sure MS is ashamed of many products
(Any company that releases so many would have to be, but if Exchange was one of them, they would have let it die out, which they are not.
4. Outlook (all versions) is just a total disaster - it's unstable, full of security holes and actually makes an already poor "operating system" almost unusable
I guess thats why corporations all over the world continue to use it when there are cheaper alternatives... good point
Anyone who tries to use Small Business Server is wasting their time. It simply doesn't work: it's unstable and insecure. Anyone trusting their business data to it really doesn't see any real future in their business
We support about 20+ SMBs running Small Business server, I'm sorry but I've never seen any evidence of what stated... Judging by your tone its obvious you dont currently support MS products, of have had bad luck with a small few. It also sounds like you get most of your Microsoft information from Slashdot, which is probabably not the best place.
Point 3 is a big reason. Ive had to move businesses from WordPerfect to Office.. that alone slowed people down for months, not to mention having to transfer all the documents...WordPerfect->Word wasnt too bad, but the spreedsheets...Lets not go there. I dont even want to imaging what it will be like in 5-10 years when we have to move businesses from Windows to a Linux desktop (which would include Office->OpenOffice.. or some other Office suite)
Thanks for the info, I will look into it (as Document Management systems can be very expensive).
The problem with OpenSource (at the present time) is that and are going to write a MS plugin for it as well features that are already in most commercial products are usually 'coming soon' and having to stick 3-4 different products, all with different releases scheduals, different roadmaps, different support options..etc all into one product. This creates a support nightmare that alot of consultants should shy away from.
Dont get me wrong, I like the idea of OpenSource, but I also like getting support from vendors especially during the first couple years of implementations. I hope that more commercial ready products like MySql will come out in the next few years.
Evolution has an Exchange feature (have to pay for it though), also if his company has Exchange 2003 OWA works nicely, not has good as Internet Explore, but I use it when needed.
Exchange keeps rising in market share because its: (just to name a few)
1. A solid product that is easy to manage.
2. Lot of different software solutions integrate with it.
3. Its one of Microsofts main server platform.. therefore it gets alot of attention and money.
4. Outlook is a solid easy to use email client, that has been around for years.
5. Works nicely with Windows Mobile
6. Part of Small Business server... This helps small businesses to get a Enterprise class email server.
Just at the feature enhancements since Exchange 5.5 to 2003... There is no reason why it should have grown in market share.
Good points, as a consultant I have to do a lot of research for different types of products, I have yet to find an open source option. On that note if anyone knows of a good open source Document Management system let me know:)
He was searching www.microsoft.com... lol. Of course he will only find how to dump Linux for Windows... its a dam marketing site. People are funny:). I wonder what he found when he searched for MILF Hunter?!?!
I just had to post under you so more people will read your reply, thus showing how much of a noob the other guy is:)
Can;t wait till 5 years from now
When Google has everything possible indexed and people at Slashdot.org start to hate them for it!
All kinding aside, the search industry is so fragmented and WILL ALWAYS BE SO. There is enough room for a lot of 'top dogs' Microsoft just doesnt want to get left out in the dark, and articles like this helps them get good advertising... Mention the word Google in an article theses days and its worth reading.
On a side note, if Google doesnt smarted up soon (stop releasing crap products while in alpha/beta) they will gain a reputation of being junk. Ever install JAva VM or WinZip lately?.... google toolbar gets 'offered', with the Checkmark on by default... Good job Google! trick mom and dad to install your toolbar!.
Dont get me wrong, I still love Google, but they seem to have been wandering down a different path lately. Theres a reason why people love Google and its not because its like Yahoo.
Slashdot Mirror
You are correct, Consoles are getting very expensive.
MS will release its latest version of IE and will start to regain some of its lost market share. IE 7 is very nice to use, and should (while running on the next version of Windows) reduce security issues, not to mention better support for standards.
In all honesty I hope Firefox reachs 70% of the market share so they can get beat down with spyware/adaware...
I cant wait to send out an email telling people that I am taking Word off of thier workstations and putting on LaTex and ConTeXt (Did I get the proper capilizations? I dont want people thinking I am a retard for spelling errors!)
That being said MS has locked down Windows Vista fairly well, but are now trying to 'make it work for the avg Joe' so they can do all of the stuff mentioned above and be safe.
I've worked in a ISP call center for 3 years while in college, then and currently working as a consultant, so I know where your coming from. One thing I learnt when I got off of my 3 year cubical is that people will never change. When I worked for the call Center I assumed I just got all the idiots calling in, now I know that its normal to not care about computer security, you can show them, walk them through what to do, but most of the people dont care.
Solution: Dont allow people to log in as Administrator or make it hard to do so (ie, hide it in some odd place only accessible by modifying the registry and rebooting many times. Best way to help people not screw up in the Computer industry is to make it hard for them to do so.
All these features are part of SharePoint which has been out for years, so I doubt they are copying google. If people still think this is a rip off of google they need to think ahead. MS Vista is going to tie into this type of online content, and will be able to do cool things with it
MS has probably been working on this for some time now, so I doubt recent news spured this. I still think google is working on such a solution, but either couldnt come up with something worth pushing out to beta (this would be suprising considering the crap google has been putting out recently) or got word of MS coming out with its version and wanted to make sure the google version was better when released.
Do you just ignore all the new security features in the new version of Windows, or do you not understand them?
I like it, its nice to not have to pay for the full blown Sql Server edition if its not needed. When vendors only give you the option of MSDE or Sql Server for their application, its nice to save the expense Sql Server licensing. I have been seeing some vendors that give the option to use MySql or other OS database engines, but 3-4 years ago this wasnt even an option.
Yes it is free, I dont know where you got your information from, but you can freely download it or incorporate it in your commercial sofware (read the license agreement). I think it ships with Sql Server 2000 and Office, but its just a means of distribution. You would be suprised how many SMB solutions that use it, now that Oracle provides the same type of database I am sure it will follow the same road.
Ive installed it on approx 50 client workstations so far (ranging from Windows 2k - XP), about 5 times it just didnt work. It would load up and lock up the system. I havent bothered to look into the issue (ive just been testing it out to see if its worth while), but it hasnt impressed me so far.
MS has always offered a free database, MSDE
You can bet the big companies like MS, IMB, HP...etc have departments doing research into this area, as it would be big money.
6k is an understand considering how much gas has gone up because of the huricanes, but then again my company picks up the tab :)
Ive been told (Havent looked it up yet, if anyone has the figures let me know) that Shell (gas company) made over 7billion last quarter alone!...
I disagree; MS has shown that it is quite happy to foist buggy products on its users repeatedly until eventually responding to outcry by beginning development of a better solution. Witness, for example, Windows 98SE and Windows ME.
Well if you base MS technology on Windows 98 and Windows ME I cant really argue with you, as these OSs are not very strong as compared to Windows 2000/XP.. and just wait for Windows Vista, its Security features compare to most Distros of Linux. I know it has been said before, but as for Spyware/adware/viruses, until Windows doesnt dominate the Desktop, these threats will always be a MS issue.
This is also unsound. There may be another reason why corporations all over the world continue to use Outlook. I propose that that reason is that there are no alternatives, because only Outlook has the groupware and calendaring that works well with Exchange Key word there is there are no alternatives Sorry, but until someone can make a better server/client app for email, Exchange/Outlook will be king. Dont get me wrong, because of how expensive sever/email clients are I would love to see a comparable OpenSource offering, but there isnt (Our company would be able to make a lot of money off of such an server/client solution... If there is one let me know.)
As for the Small Business server comments you are correct except for: I am Mr. Bercell :). And that Small Business Server is usually suited to 50 employees and under (MS recommends 75 and under, but in my experience that is too high.)
1. Exchange is in NO WAY stable
We have dozens of Exchange servers running, most of which have been around since 5.5. I've never seen an exchange server crash, on the rare occasion I've had to restart the services, but more often than not it was an issue with BackupExecs Exchange agent.
2. Possible true
No not possibly.. Its true, take a look. There are a lot of solid products in the market place, we have even deployed a few of them and havent noticed any issues.
3. I am sure MS is ashamed of many products
(Any company that releases so many would have to be, but if Exchange was one of them, they would have let it die out, which they are not. 4. Outlook (all versions) is just a total disaster - it's unstable, full of security holes and actually makes an already poor "operating system" almost unusable
I guess thats why corporations all over the world continue to use it when there are cheaper alternatives... good point
Anyone who tries to use Small Business Server is wasting their time. It simply doesn't work: it's unstable and insecure. Anyone trusting their business data to it really doesn't see any real future in their business
We support about 20+ SMBs running Small Business server, I'm sorry but I've never seen any evidence of what stated... Judging by your tone its obvious you dont currently support MS products, of have had bad luck with a small few. It also sounds like you get most of your Microsoft information from Slashdot, which is probabably not the best place.
Point 3 is a big reason. Ive had to move businesses from WordPerfect to Office.. that alone slowed people down for months, not to mention having to transfer all the documents...WordPerfect->Word wasnt too bad, but the spreedsheets...Lets not go there. I dont even want to imaging what it will be like in 5-10 years when we have to move businesses from Windows to a Linux desktop (which would include Office->OpenOffice.. or some other Office suite)
The problem with OpenSource (at the present time) is that and are going to write a MS plugin for it as well features that are already in most commercial products are usually 'coming soon' and having to stick 3-4 different products, all with different releases scheduals, different roadmaps, different support options..etc all into one product. This creates a support nightmare that alot of consultants should shy away from.
Dont get me wrong, I like the idea of OpenSource, but I also like getting support from vendors especially during the first couple years of implementations. I hope that more commercial ready products like MySql will come out in the next few years.
Evolution has an Exchange feature (have to pay for it though), also if his company has Exchange 2003 OWA works nicely, not has good as Internet Explore, but I use it when needed.
Exchange keeps rising in market share because its: (just to name a few) 1. A solid product that is easy to manage. 2. Lot of different software solutions integrate with it. 3. Its one of Microsofts main server platform.. therefore it gets alot of attention and money. 4. Outlook is a solid easy to use email client, that has been around for years. 5. Works nicely with Windows Mobile 6. Part of Small Business server... This helps small businesses to get a Enterprise class email server. Just at the feature enhancements since Exchange 5.5 to 2003... There is no reason why it should have grown in market share.
Good points, as a consultant I have to do a lot of research for different types of products, I have yet to find an open source option. On that note if anyone knows of a good open source Document Management system let me know :)
I just had to post under you so more people will read your reply, thus showing how much of a noob the other guy is :)
msn search
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=Windows+sucks &FORM=MSNH&srch_type=0
compared to google
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Windows+sucks& btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Thanks for you insightful comments.. Good bye now.
All kinding aside, the search industry is so fragmented and WILL ALWAYS BE SO. There is enough room for a lot of 'top dogs' Microsoft just doesnt want to get left out in the dark, and articles like this helps them get good advertising... Mention the word Google in an article theses days and its worth reading.
On a side note, if Google doesnt smarted up soon (stop releasing crap products while in alpha/beta) they will gain a reputation of being junk. Ever install JAva VM or WinZip lately?.... google toolbar gets 'offered', with the Checkmark on by default... Good job Google! trick mom and dad to install your toolbar!.
Dont get me wrong, I still love Google, but they seem to have been wandering down a different path lately. Theres a reason why people love Google and its not because its like Yahoo.
Sorry but I have no idea what you are replying to. Feel free to add a quote next time.
All your pros/cons were valide and probably similar to anyone else who has actually used Visual Studio.