Regarding your points:
#1, this is fascinating. In my office, where we develop wifi devices, there are routinely
50-60 APs on the 11g/11b spectrum. Rarely do I see interference related problems that break things. RTS/CTS
takes a touch longer, but things still work great. WPA handshakes happen quickly enough even in this
totally saturated environment.
#2 - Unless you have a very, very old piece of hardware in your laptop, it should only be a software upgrade.
Assuming, of course, your AP implements new standards.
#3 - WTF kind of cell phone do you have that's operating in the 2.4ghz range???
My company works in software for embedded wifi devices and we routinely need to buy specific hardware. I/we have never had a problem finding what we were looking for and the vast majority of it works great with Linux (WPA, WPA2 + RADIUS). We've achieved this by purchasing products we've used before and are familiar with. Aside from a couple obvious examples, most vendors remain relatively consistent if you're referring to the correct product + hw_rev + version. Not sure what your problem is....
Now if your argument is that no reasonable source or technical documentation is available to the general public for the guts of these devices, I'd agree.
I bet they just do what they do because they hate Slashdot.;)
I bet they do it because they _love_ Slashdot. I'm sure they're website is pretty profitable, so anytime they can do a little trolling for a couple hundred thousand hits from slashdot, all the better. Just makes them more money, since they expect a good solid troll like this to be linked from every geek-blog site on the net.
This, of course, assumes a significant portion of the people actually click the links and read the articles;)
If you were "Battery Acid King" and sold sulphuric acid in open topped beverage glasses, people might assume you don't think its dangerous.
An important point to make is that most products present a level of danger. In a lot of cases, simple products could be pretty dangerous.
What happens if I reach for something under my desk, but stab my eye with the straw on my cup of soda? Should the soda say the straw is dangerous, don't stab yourself with it? Hell no, that's obvious.
So why would someone need to say hot coffee is dangerous? Is this not exceedingly obvious? Is there some extra measure of percaution one would take to not spill coffee if they are told it's very hot? Nope, probably not. I try damn hard not to spill my coffee, but occasionally accidents happen. Know what will happen if I spill it on my balls? It will burn my balls off.
To go back to your example of "Battery Acid King", I think if some bonehead would buy battery acid and consume it because the container led them to believe it wasn't dangerous, then let them die. A little chlorine in the gene-pool.
I've always had success with IBM Thinkpads doing APM properly. In fact, I'm running a current (relatively) T41 with Linux and it does APM fantastically. So did my A20p, and 600X
ACPI is another story, and I won't touch that gunk with a barge pole.
So, yeah, for whatever it's worth I think IBM is the best laptop for Linux offering full laptop functionality.
Okay, you go memorize all the three million little insignificant linux distros that have 2 or 3 practical applications and I'll go do something that actually matters. Bye.
No, seriously. What ever happened to people getting dedicated computers on which to run their operating systems? I have this fandangled machine, I've heard some term it a "laptop." In this strange device, I have this component called a hard-disk. Occasionally, when I have a need/urge, I make these weird copies called "backups." Best of all, the whole mess is portable! And, I don't have to worry about it breaking in my wallet if I do the one-cheek-sneek in a meeting.
I was just surprised to find out this thing even existed, and that Sony was using Linux in one of its products.
Is it really that shocking? Lots of consumer devices are using Linux. Sharp produces something similar to this one which they dub a "Digital Media Adapter." It also runs Linux. IMO, the Sharp toy is cooler anyway. You feed it media over WiFi, and the DMA shoots it to your TV.
Personally, I use Gentoo Linux and I especially like portage and the emerge command! It's incredibly useful, for example, to update your *entire* system, simply use: emerge --update --deep --newuse world
And break 10 applications while you're in the process. This makes no sense in the real world. Sure, if you just install different versions of Linux for fun, have at it. But when you install a machine multiple users depend on, you'll eventually shoot yourself in the foot when one of those user's applications breaks because you updated your system with one command.
And this is why roaming on WiFi is best done at the L2 instead of L3+ level. Imagine a romaing scenario where an entire office is covered by L2 bridges, all routed to a switch, to a router/dhcp server. No need to change IPs since the bridges can handle your roam pretty easily with some help from IAPP.
Furthermore, if you're using WPA2, you can use pre-authentication to use a cached authentication key if your APs support it.
Why do we keep seeing these types of articles? I think we all understand that Linux has a fair market share and many people use it to their advantage daily.The same can be said about Windows.
Obviously the future will bring surprises, happiness and problems to users of both systems. My real question: when will this extreme crap be done with? When will people understand that Linux and Windows are here to stay? When will they stop speculating about which one will conquer the other?
My personal opinion on the outcome of this sort of ongoing battle is just to see where time takes us. I'm sure what will really happen will probably not be Linux taking over the desktop world, but probably also remaining a good piece of competition that suits the needs of many people. The proverbial pendulum mentioned is just the nagging back and forth of "linux will never be ready for desktop", "windows sucks", "linux will conquer the world!".
I hate replying to my own posts, but oh well. One of the follow-ups to me had the link to the information (albiet with a trailing slash that shouldn't have been), however some yo-yo felt that was somehow redundant. Whatever.
Let's see what happens when google sends these chaps one of these:
these.
Of particular interest to these guys should be the section entitled "No Automated Querying."
I remember about a year ago or so, there was a guy who was mining google news to produce an RSS feed. IIRC, google politely demanded that individual stop
offering this to people. I can't find the article to cite this, maybe someone can help? At any rate, I wonder how google will feel about this.
It's my understanding that this is currently on-par with FreeBSD 4.x (which I believe is faster than 5.x). The real performance imporvements are (supposedly) to come after everything has been ported over to use the messaging infrastructure (mainly the buffer cache). If the design holds true to its promise, then it should be a good step faster than FreeBSD 4.x in a few years. Especially in the area of SMP.
Can you take your $300 PC and turn it into an embedded device, OR develop for an embedded system with it?
Yup. It's excellent you mention it. This is my profession. I have toolchains and development environments for the following systems:
X-Scale - Linux
MIPS-little endian - Linux
PowerPC MPC680 - Linux
MIPS-big endian - VxWorks
MIPS-little endian - VxWorks
Real embedded development is very seldom done with similar host and target hardware. Not the best argument, dude. Get a PowerPC ref. board, install the toolchain on x86, build on the x86, run on the target. This is the typical procedure. Some of the guys where I work put my list to shame:).
Also, for those who will care, the VxWorks toolchains I only use to build individual modules since Tornado isn't currently available for Linux.
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This will probably happen when the cost comes down for wimax hardware and low-power wimax chips.
Regarding your points: #1, this is fascinating. In my office, where we develop wifi devices, there are routinely 50-60 APs on the 11g/11b spectrum. Rarely do I see interference related problems that break things. RTS/CTS takes a touch longer, but things still work great. WPA handshakes happen quickly enough even in this totally saturated environment. #2 - Unless you have a very, very old piece of hardware in your laptop, it should only be a software upgrade. Assuming, of course, your AP implements new standards. #3 - WTF kind of cell phone do you have that's operating in the 2.4ghz range???
My company works in software for embedded wifi devices and we routinely need to buy specific hardware.
I/we have never had a problem finding what we were looking for and the vast majority of it works
great with Linux (WPA, WPA2 + RADIUS). We've achieved this by purchasing products we've used before
and are familiar with. Aside from a couple obvious examples, most vendors remain relatively consistent
if you're referring to the correct product + hw_rev + version. Not sure what your problem is....
Now if your argument is that no reasonable source or technical documentation is available to the general
public for the guts of these devices, I'd agree.
I bet they just do what they do because they hate Slashdot. ;)
;)
I bet they do it because they _love_ Slashdot. I'm sure they're website is pretty profitable, so anytime they can do a little trolling for a couple hundred thousand hits from slashdot, all the better. Just makes them more money, since they expect a good solid troll like this to be linked from every geek-blog site on the net.
This, of course, assumes a significant portion of the people actually click the links and read the articles
Whoop, I guess nobody told you that after four hours you need to see a doctor.
The guy (across the aisle) chatted on loudly about the mundane drivel in his life.
I guess he couldn't have spoken that long, considering the rate is 10 USD per minute.
They have a ton of money on the line...
Yeah, definitely. At $0.00 per download for their flash plugin, a hit like this is really going to make them ache.
If you were "Battery Acid King" and sold sulphuric acid in open topped beverage glasses, people might assume you don't think its dangerous.
An important point to make is that most products present a level of danger. In a lot of cases, simple products could be pretty dangerous.
What happens if I reach for something under my desk, but stab my eye with the straw on my cup of soda? Should the soda say the straw is dangerous, don't stab yourself with it? Hell no, that's obvious.
So why would someone need to say hot coffee is dangerous? Is this not exceedingly obvious? Is there some extra measure of percaution one would take to not spill coffee if they are told it's very hot? Nope, probably not. I try damn hard not to spill my coffee, but occasionally accidents happen. Know what will happen if I spill it on my balls? It will burn my balls off.
To go back to your example of "Battery Acid King", I think if some bonehead would buy battery acid and consume it because the container led them to believe it wasn't dangerous, then let them die. A little chlorine in the gene-pool.
I've always had success with IBM Thinkpads doing APM properly. In fact, I'm running a current (relatively) T41 with Linux and it does APM fantastically. So did my A20p, and 600X
ACPI is another story, and I won't touch that gunk with a barge pole.
So, yeah, for whatever it's worth I think IBM is the best laptop for Linux offering full laptop functionality.
Just my $.02
Yawn.
*fart*
Would you care to share which packages are broken?
I've install 60+ packages with no problem whatsoever.
Okay, you go memorize all the three million little insignificant linux distros that have 2 or 3 practical applications and I'll go do something that actually matters. Bye.
... and thinking about it, all I have to say is,
"This is the saddest thing I've ever heard!"
No, seriously. What ever happened to people getting dedicated computers on which to run their operating systems? I have this fandangled machine, I've heard some term it a "laptop." In this strange device, I have this component called a hard-disk. Occasionally, when I have a need/urge, I make these weird copies called "backups." Best of all, the whole mess is portable! And, I don't have to worry about it breaking in my wallet if I do the one-cheek-sneek in a meeting.
Go! Let the flames commence! Mod this "article" -1, troll.
I was just surprised to find out this thing even existed, and that Sony was using Linux in one of its products.
Is it really that shocking? Lots of consumer devices are using Linux. Sharp produces something similar to this one which they dub a "Digital Media Adapter." It also runs Linux. IMO, the Sharp toy is cooler anyway. You feed it media over WiFi, and the DMA shoots it to your TV.
Personally, I use Gentoo Linux and I especially like portage and the emerge command! It's incredibly useful, for example, to update your *entire* system, simply use: emerge --update --deep --newuse world
And break 10 applications while you're in the process. This makes no sense in the real world. Sure, if you just install different versions of Linux for fun, have at it. But when you install a machine multiple users depend on, you'll eventually shoot yourself in the foot when one of those user's applications breaks because you updated your system with one command.
And this is why roaming on WiFi is best done at the L2 instead of L3+ level. Imagine a romaing scenario where an entire office is covered by L2 bridges, all routed to a switch, to a router/dhcp server. No need to change IPs since the bridges can handle your roam pretty easily with some help from IAPP.
Furthermore, if you're using WPA2, you can use pre-authentication to use a cached authentication key if your APs support it.
Why do we keep seeing these types of articles? I think we all understand that Linux has a fair market share and many people use it to their advantage daily.The same can be said about Windows.
Obviously the future will bring surprises, happiness and problems to users of both systems. My real question: when will this extreme crap be done with? When will people understand that Linux and Windows are here to stay? When will they stop speculating about which one will conquer the other?
My personal opinion on the outcome of this sort of ongoing battle is just to see where time takes us. I'm sure what will really happen will probably not be Linux taking over the desktop world, but probably also remaining a good piece of competition that suits the needs of many people. The proverbial pendulum mentioned is just the nagging back and forth of "linux will never be ready for desktop", "windows sucks", "linux will conquer the world!".
Never trust anyone in the computer software industry with a last name of "hackerman." Sorry, I couldn't resist.
I hate replying to my own posts, but oh well. One of the follow-ups to me had the link to the information (albiet with a trailing slash that shouldn't have been), however some yo-yo felt that was somehow redundant. Whatever.
Let's see what happens when google sends these chaps one of these: these.
Of particular interest to these guys should be the section entitled "No Automated Querying."
I remember about a year ago or so, there was a guy who was mining google news to produce an RSS feed. IIRC, google politely demanded that individual stop offering this to people. I can't find the article to cite this, maybe someone can help? At any rate, I wonder how google will feel about this.
It's my understanding that this is currently on-par with FreeBSD 4.x (which I believe is faster than 5.x). The real performance imporvements are (supposedly) to come after everything has been ported over to use the messaging infrastructure (mainly the buffer cache). If the design holds true to its promise, then it should be a good step faster than FreeBSD 4.x in a few years. Especially in the area of SMP.
tunnel everything through SSL or SSH.
Yup. It's excellent you mention it. This is my profession. I have toolchains and development environments for the following systems:
- X-Scale - Linux
- MIPS-little endian - Linux
- PowerPC MPC680 - Linux
- MIPS-big endian - VxWorks
- MIPS-little endian - VxWorks
Real embedded development is very seldom done with similar host and target hardware. Not the best argument, dude. Get a PowerPC ref. board, install the toolchain on x86, build on the x86, run on the target. This is the typical procedure. Some of the guys where I work put my list to shameAlso, for those who will care, the VxWorks toolchains I only use to build individual modules since Tornado isn't currently available for Linux.