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Debian 3.1 (Sarge) Released
Mister Furious writes "First, Apple switches to Intel, and now, equally shocking: Debian Sarge is released! Hell has officially frozen over! The scoop is from debian-administration.org: "The new Debian stable release, codenamed Sarge, has officially been released today. Several years of development since the last stable release, Woody, was released on the 9th of July, 2002 over a thousand developers around the world have helped make this release possible." Changes include Gnome 2.8, Firefox 1.0.4, Thunderbird 1.0.2, Apache 2.0.54 (1.3.33 is still available, too!), Postgresql 7.4.7, and more. The news hasn't hit the main Debian GNU/Linux site as of this article's posting. Congratulations to all of the Debian developers and contributors. Thanks for all your hard work and for a great distro!" Here's a link to the Debian Stable "Release" file.
Espectr0 points out an article about the release at Linux Compatible, writing "It is available on 14 (!) CD's or 2 DVD's. It includes XFree86 4.3, GNOME 2.8, KDE 3.3, Kernel 2.4.27, GCC 3.3.5, OpenOffice.org 1.1.3 and much others."
Does it run Linux on my Mac x86 ?
In a brillant marketing sting, Steve Jobs of Apple, the Debian Developement Team and 3DRealms united and tried to get the attention of the world today by confirming the long rumored news of the release of their respective flagship products, the Intel-microprocessor based "Macintosh Computer", the linux operating sytem "Debian 3.1" and the so called first person shooter game "Duke Nukem Forever" within hours and by doing so slashdotting the website "Slashdot.Org" - the only thing of the whole internet thought to be unslashdottable.
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Mail to debian-announce
News on www.debian.org
Congrats to the Debian project!
XFree86 4.3? Wow!
...OK? So cool it with these one after the other April Fool's stories.
Direct download links at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/. Bittorrent, Jigdo or direct ISO downloads (CDs or DVDs).
In a rare show of solidarity with Apple, the Debian maintainers decided to stay with XFree86 instead of X.org when they heard that Apple was switching to x86.
English is easier said than done.
This is great news. Congratulations to everybody involved.
;-p
Now, when can we expect Etch?
After all, I am strangely colored.
Official announcement
Congrats all around. Even though I haven't been much of a Debian user, I am very pleased to see this. Making the June 6 projected release date sends a great message to the rest of the larger Linux community.
Oh my god, hell has actually frozen over today!
David Hasselhoff doing IBM ads?
Contrary to the poster's assertion Hell has not frozen over. The Cubs have not won the World Series and Duke Nukem 3D hasn't been released. I'm also waiting for the aliens from Roswell to return...
Glad to see Debian coming back to a relatively current stable. Debian was my distro of choice until two years later I had the same current CD to install with. I moved from BSD for my servers then. Workstation wise, Debian will be great again :) I wonder what will happen to all of those users who use backports.
Proceed with Format (Y/N)? Y
Also in todays news: A new species of flying pig has been discovered in South America, and a stockpile of weapons of mass destructions located in Iraq.
Maintaining a 3-year-old Woody has been quite er...hard.
I, for one, welcome our new Debian 3.1 overlords, as I upgrade my boxen from Woody to Sarge.
Thank you, Debian developers everywhere!
It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.
Dawn lamer warez groups, weren't able to leak a final version of Sarge before the official release.
...hmmm...Apple/Intel..Debian new release...
you say it's NOT April first???
476 Duke Nukem Forever, GNU Hurd, and winged pigs skating on the surface of Hell jokes here.]
The only thing frustrated me -- the number of Release-Critical bugs is not zero! Why is it so? Could anybody give the answer?
igor
So now if I want to play Duke Nukem on my MacSarge, I might be stupid, but I'm not crazy.
--
make install -not war
Just as soo as I finish compiling the last versi... Ooops, wait, wrong distro.
"What do you think?" "I think 'What, do you think?!'"
...while /.'s backup servers are being hosted over Taco's dialup?
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of "But Debian is so ancient" trolls suddenly cried out in frustration and were suddenly silenced.
And they release it for x86 too! First Apple, now Debian. Is the whole world going x86 crazy??
dang, I only got to 12% of the first DVD before it hit slashdot...thought I might get away painless.
First Apple switches to Intel chips. Next, there is finally a Debian release. What's next? Microsoft giving away old versions of Office and Windows? Longhorn coming out next week? GNU Hurd becomes fully usable?
What a strange day today.
Who even uses the CDs to install debian anyway ?
Congratulations to the entire Debian Project! Sarge is a Modern Distro Desktop Distro. I wonder what the people who complain that Debian is outdated will say now?
Here's looking forward to Debian 4.0!
Do not read this
The original story (I'm the submitter) says that the main Debian site doesn't have the news yet. It has been updated to reflect the release between the time I submitted the story and the time it was posted.
The news release is here.
"OSS isn't free, you need 25 billion CDs just to install a popular OS!" Or you could just netinst. ;-)
Congrats to the Debian team who put this together, and onward into Etch!
got root? debian/sarge ppc
http://www.donarmstrong.com
and see if my new laptop drivers work for WiFi in Debian ...
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You just need CD 1 ... not even that really. Most sane debian installations are net-installed.
Ubuntu still takes one CD.
So now if I want to play Duke Nukem Forever on my Sarge/x86 Mac, I might be stupid, but I'm not crazy.
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make install -not war
Wow, that is great news.
I used to be a Debian head. But I've sort of lost touch with it. But this makes me want to try it again.
What kernel version? 2.4? 2.6?
The Internet is full. Go Away!!!
And if we run out, we will do http-redirects to our mirrors around the world, so don't be afraid to get your Sarge now!
.. or use the moderate-bandwith solution, use a smartcard iso burned to a cd-rw and install it.. :)
Apple to use Intel chips.
Debian 3.1 released.
C'mon, let's buy these guys a calendar.
In an average living room there are 1,242 objects Vin Diesel could use to kill you, including the room itself.
Most people install Debian with the net-install CD (or at least, they should). It's about a 100MB iso that gets a base system installed, and then you can use apt-get to install anything else you'd like. Because of debian's great package management, it also means this CD can be quite old and still install a current version - you just have to apt-get dist-upgrade as soon as you're done installing. Using the same method you can also convert your system to unstable if you'd like.
All 14 CDs include EVERY package (as in, you'll get 6 or 7 web browsers, media players, and every other obscure program that is in the repository) and source. That's probably unnecessary for 99% of people out there. Not to mention a fairly big waste of bandwidth to download.
Speak before you think
In less than a year we have seen:
- Half Life 2 released
- Microsoft switch their flagship product to PPC
- Apple switch to x86
- The revelation of Deep Throat's identity
- The release of Sarge
Hell has frozen over and pigs are flying.
Come on George Broussard..I know you are reading this..just give us some screenshots and let the universe implode entirely.
What new technology will the staunch "stable Debian" loyaltists now be subject to with this new release?
I could be a smart ASS and say: USB Support, Graphics (other than ASCII art), Plug And Play, 802.11b, etc, etc -- But I won't.
I have been totally impressed with a few of the Debian cousins lately (Ubuntu and Knoppix) so I have nothing but nice things to say about what Debian has given to us throughout the years.
(+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
"Slashdotting ended over debian.org"
apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
(On my SPARC, MIPS, PA-RISC, and x86 machines) For portability and package management, nothing beats debian.
------ Take away the right to say fuck and you take away the right to say fuck the government.
I would like to thank everyone for their kind words. I remember putting out the very first version of Debian. Boy those were the days. I hope everyone likes what we have created and can further enhance it.
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/bt -cd/
See you again in etch 2020. ;)
-- Ne me laissez pas tellement triste: écrivez-moi vite qu'il est revenu...
you don't need 14 CDs, dipswitch.
you get the installer and pull the rest down as needed.
*hides under desk*
Yes, the strain was too much. After two completely impossible events have occured, it's incredibly likely that many more impossible events are going to occur soon. Or something.
It does. http://www.debian.org/ports/
Making the June 6 projected release date sends a great message to the rest of the larger Linux community.
LOL!
Well, correct me if I am wrong but the last message we got was: "Sarge will be released on December 2003"!
Agreed, it's not much, just 1.5 years...
That's incredible. Now, Microsoft HAS to release Longhorn. C'mon, you can't let the Debian guys be faster than you....
Apart from jokes, I'm curious to know if Debian still holds a share of the "market". It was a gooddistribution, but a lil too static. I honestly think they should consider doubling the release speed, or atleast provide significant updates for a release from time to time (who said "and why not call 'em Service Packs?").
nbody2002:If you can read this you may be addicted to the internet
The thing I don't understand about various distros is why in this age of the Internet a big announcement has to be made that an operating system finally has great new features like Gnome 2.8 and Firefox 1.04. Why do Fedora Core users have to burn another gaggle of CDs every 6 months just to stay up to date? Why is it that it seems Gentoo is the only distro that has figured this out? I find this particularly annoying considering Linux in general has been a "download this for free!" type OS but yet we're still upgrading them like we're buying shrink wrapped boxes.
Grab the torrents of the dvd's. I've already seeded 30gig of those today :)
& submit.x=0&submit.y=0
Just to be elite you should get them here:
http://torrentspy.com/search.asp?query=sarge+gold
(tho' i have to say that the easiest way to install is to grab the 50M business-card-cd and install everything else over network)
I installed Debian Woody just three days ago. What are the odds? Luckily upgrading shouldn't be too much hassle (how I love this OS). Congratulations to all Debian developers :)
Any torrents for the DVD images yet?
Last time I tried to install any debian I had major problems:
Debian Woody's graphics drivers didn't work w/ my card
Debian Sarge screwed up my partitions causing me to lose ALL of my data (from my Windows Partition). I dunno if their partitioning tool has improved, but I don't want to risk it.
~Ilyanep
To get message, take amount of carrier pigeons at each stage mod 2. Then decode binary.
I won't start panicking until Duke Nukem Forever goes gold.
the book of revelations clearly states that Sarge's release only heralds the SECOND horseman of the apocalypse. The end is nigh only when the FOURTH horseman roams free. In otherwords, don't start to worry until the HURD reaches 1.0
We've been running Sarge/testing in production for the last 8 months and only once had a minor issue upgrading packages.
We found Debian to be an exremely stable, easy to administer distribution perfectly suited for production server environments and the quality of Debian packages deserves the highest praise.
My congratulations to the Debian team.
This is great, but what does it have to do with Apple switching to Intel chips? :)
My
Did a security patch make it into Sarge? No. Did versions 1.8.3, 1.8.4, 1.8.5 or 1.9 make it into Sarge? No.
There're more security issues. Those, however, can (and will) be corrected after sarge's been released
(yes, it sucks, but fixing all security issues would have delayed even more the release)
For those who are using, or want to use, Debian Stable (now 'sarge'), but want KDE 3.4 (instead of 3.3), you can get it from pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org.
For those who've been using sarge via its 'Testing' monicker, I'm guessing KDE 3.4 will hit 'etch' (the new 'Testing') in the coming weeks.
Enjoy!
I'm running 4 Debian boxes here (and they're all Sarge now 'cause Debian makes it so easy).
One of them is a test box, the other three are production servers.
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At home, I'm running two of them and they've been Sarge for a long time. And Ubuntu on the desktop, but that's a different story.
And the home boxes are running 2.6.11.11 (the only non-stock-Debian item on them).
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of "But Debian is so ancient" trolls suddenly cried out in frustration and were suddenly silenced.
Well, I am sorry to deliver such news to you, but:
a) It is ancient (XFree, Open Office 1.1, etc.)
b) It is late (merely 1.5 years).
c) It is insanely big (14 CDs).
congratulations to the Debian team on a true milestone.
This release is likely to result in a massive rise in adoption on both desktops and server rooms alike.
Take a rest now, you've more than earned it - but do keep those updates coming!
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
If this bug really is release-critical, someone who cared(TM) should have increased the severity of the bug.
If this really is as critical and unsecure as you claim, it will be fixed and uploaded to security.debian.org when someone notifies the right people about it (maintainer & security-team).
On the other hand, I don't know anyone who uses pound.
I'm no fan of liberal release/version number inflation. But this seems way too conservative. Isn't this a major release for Debian? Why in the world isn't this Debian 4? What is that going to take?
obviously no deficiencies vs. no obvious deficiencies
before you even think of doing this on a remote system.
1: there is a package called doc-base that if installed will cause BIG problems unless you upgrade or remove it first.
2: aptitude is generally considered to make safer descions about upgrade order than apt-get
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14 CDs is the cost of OSS now huh?
Don't you guys ever get tired of this particular bit of silliness?
So tell me, how many CDs do you need for propriatary software? A quick jog down the aisles of Best Buy infers quite a large number; and at a rather higher cost than for just the blank media.
KFG
Sarge releases Debian.
6/6/2005 man if this was 2006,, I would definitly think hell had frozen over.
That's funny.
Debian Planet announces in their latest update that the sarge freeze is now official.
Hmmm...
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
Hmm? But their official graph over release critical bugs still says 30. Guess they aren't that release critical after all?
http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
...before people collapses servers.
They put the B back in stable.
*thanks crowd, mentions he'll be here all week*
or do I still have to go out and buy an out-of-date xBox for that?
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ftp://galileo.luon.net/pub/linux/debian/3.1/CD-ima ges
All 14 CDs include EVERY package (...) and source.
:-)
Almost right, 14 CDs is just the binaries (on average, several architectures take 13, ia64 takes 15)
Source takes 15 more CDs
For a full set of CDs (that only an anal collector would actually want) for all 11 archs, and the source, you'll need 164 CDs
As you say, the netinst image is the way to go, unless you want to send a copy to a friend who has no internet connection.
Debian: GNU/Linux done the Linux way
...why don't I have a girlfriend?
Today is also the 61st anniversary of D-day.
Now, when can we expect Etch?
These are some of the things that happened between Debian releases:
a) The Olympic games returned to Greece.
b) The Pope died.
c) A German Pope got elected in a conclave.
d) Apple switched to Intel.
e) Watergate's Deep Throat identity was revealed.
f) The French rejected the European Constitution
g) Boston won the World Series.
So just sit, be patient and wait for the signals my son.
They really should have waited for the next version of Nethack to be ready before releasing. That way Debian users would have something to keep them occupied so they don't complain when it is another three years until the next release.
Thank you, Debian team, for all your hard work!
How is parent funny?
I mean, including Postgresql 7.4.7 as a badge of pride? Sure, its good and all, but if you have Firefox 1.0.4, then one would thing a leap to PG 8.0 would not be that big of a deal.
Newsfollow.com
Red Sox win
We know who deep throat is
Apple switches to X86
and Sarge was actually released.
Its armageddon. Or the Heart Of Gold just flew by.
Is there anything better than clicking through Microsoft ads on Slashdot?
Thank you, thank you, thank you Debian developers! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Now, for us non-programmers, non-gurus using Sarge, what's the next step? I've carefully changed my sources list in the last month or two from testing to sarge . So I'm only hitting Sarge repositories. Also, thanks to info on the mailing lists, I've added security (security.debian.org) to my repository, and the new Debian Volatile went into my repository today.
The concern has always been, what happens when Sarge goes stable, and the "prefers" should become stable instead of testing. I saw a while back in the Debian-Testing list that someone asked and someone else tried to explain how to transition by using pinning.
Is there going to be a release of a how-to of how to transition a purely Sarge installation from "testing" to "stable" in apt-preferences without then ending up in a situation where the install tries to go to woody, or some other serious situation results?
Sorry, just a lot of confusion and apprehension from someone who wasn't using potato-> woody or earlier releases and doesn't have a clue about what to do next. Any guidance would really be appreciated.
and btw, thanks Debian developers!
Finally I get to run:
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
apt-get install duke-nukem-forever
Yes!!!!
Given a choice between free speech and free beer, most people will take the beer.
But the real question I want to know is how stable is it *really*? Did they rush the release due to political meandering or is it really stable? I think I'm going to hold off upgrading and just use the security updates that are available for the next year until I see that the bugs really are down. The last thing I want in a production environment is a unstable system that was rushed to release because of debian politics.
- d
That's odd.. because I saw the news on the debian.org site almost 3 hours ago!
C'mon slashdot, this has gone way too far.
Apple switches to Intel.
Sarge finally comes out.
Honestly, April Fools was like 2 months ago. Enough already!
Can someone please link me to the win32 (Windows XP Home) installer, version, or port of Debian Sarge please?
From the release announcement:
With the development of the new debian-installer, this release features a new, modular and sophisticated installation routine with integrated hardware detection and unattended installation capabilities.
One problem for newbies solved.
Now if they only come up with a friendly alternative to dselect that lets you mix and match packages from the unstable tree, I might start reccomending debian to newbies. Heck, I might even use it myself.
All you wankers out there slamming Debian for being slow to release can just push off!
I am glad that Debian is as stable as it is. Linux has certainly reached the point today where software does not have to develop at the speed of sound in order to remain stable/viable. I do expect Debian to move faster in development as that is one of their core issues in elections today, but I certainly hope it does not try to develop everything as unstable or worse.
When you consider how many people today are still using Windows 98 and Windows 2K, it's pretty obvious that software no longer needs to be released on a monthly basis. I would give the linux community the same credit with Debian as proof of it's success.
While I think continued development is important, the focus needs to be on stability and reliability. There is little gained if you use the latest and greatest but can't boot your machine or spend a weekend a month trying to figure out what broke in the last series of upgrades. Not all of us have the time to spend on that kind of work.
I would much rather have a distribution that allows me to do what I want to do rather then spending my time trying to figure out what it's doing. I think that is why I quit using Windows in the first place. That is also why I quit a number of other distros and landed on Debian. Do you have any idea what it is like having mail servers, web servers, and print servers working so long and so reliably that you forget they are even there?
So before you make your 1000 posts about how fucking slow Debian is, remember that good things come to those who wait.
damn it, i just finished compiling Debian 3.09999999 last night !!!!
Does anyone know what Mr. Debian is going to do with all the money generated by CD sales? Is he going to contribute some of the profits to open source projects that made this Linux distribution so popular?
I may be missing the obvious, but are Debian releases supposed to be named after characters from the classic Pixar animated film Toy Story? Woody, Sarge, etc...will the next one be Buzz Lightyear?
"Me? Lady, I'm your worst nightmare -- a pumpkin with a gun."
I spent a weekend doing accessability evaluations on computers. The assignment was for Windows, but the teacher let me use Linux since that was all I had. Turns out my Debian-Linux distrobution had far more accessability features available than anything Windows had. If I had a microphone and a few cameras I could really go to town. But it is worth mentioning that the Linux community as a whole and Debian in particular has done a better than industry standard job at this>
I know its not 100% necessary to run on AMD64/EM64T processors, and it may or may not even give performance advantages yet, but I think its kind of odd that they have binaries available for pretty minor platforms but don't have any specifically for probably the second most popular after regular x86. I mean RH/Fedora, SuSE, Mandrake, and even Debian-based distros like Ubuntu have x86_64 support, its kind of surprising that Debian doesn't. (And I'm not saying I don't like Debian. I mean apt seriously kicks ass.)
Will x86_64 be "supported" in whatever will be the next Debian testing? And will Sarge's release mean that testing will rapidly be modernized? If so, I'm looking forward to it.
Every time you post an article on Slashdot, I kill a server. Think of the servers!
as in, you'll get 6 or 7 web browsers
:
h any-browsern x
Huh ? A hell lot more than that !
From `apt-cache search web browser`
edbrowse
galeon
dillo
netrik
chimera2
epip
mozilla-browser
mozilla-firefox
ly
links2
konqueror
w3m
Maybe surfraw (can it be considered a web browser ?)
And I might have missed a few (links for example, that hasn't "web" in it's description)
I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of killer sig, which this margin is too narrow to contain.
Shouldn't you be off destroying the filibuster?
HA!!
ohh, yeah... congrats on the... er.. old stuff in your distro...????
Your outdated-distro are belong to us... get it?
HA!!!
P.S. HA!!!
Have a good one.
===== "Every head is a different world so don't invade mine you FREAK!" smartSAGA said
I've been a Debian user since Slink and this morning I installed a fresh Sarge box.
I have to say that the new installer is quite impressive. I had no problems with the old one, but this one is much more "automatic", much faster, and just seems more flexible.
Also: The pre-packaged kernel seems pretty decent. On Linux it's pretty rare that I'm satisfied with a default install kernel. I always end up building my own for some reason or another. (Usually hardware issues) But this one seems to be more seamless than the others. Good job Debian folks.
No doubt, it involved some thought, rather than spamflooding... And yeah, I had a laugh.
'upgrade' means "update any packages that don't require new dependencies" and 'dist-upgrade' means "update packages and pull in new dependencies if need be". With a long release cycle, each stable release is going to have a lot of the second kind of packages.
Anyway, can anyone shed any light on how people already running Sarge can fix their apt sources up to be official?
My /etc/apt/source.list (below) currently returns a lot of 404 Not Founds:
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib
deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free
deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free
Do we just change 'unstable' to 'stable'?
Oh my Lord! Two miracles come to pass in the same day. This means the Second Coming is upon us! But watch out, because Jesus said, "Another will come in my name and him you will receive."
By the way, I'd like to introduce myself. I'm Jesus H. Christ.
Can someone tell me how debian is somehow more stable than other distros? (I'm talking about debian stable).
Also are they really going to drop support for some architectures?
Hell really HAS frozen! Next thing you know, Apple will move to Intel!
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
I don't care about the number of CDs, as long as I can use a few floppies, boot up, and do a network install.
This sig no verb.
If you know someone with a Debian mirror (Hi Phil :) ) and have a copy of jigdo, then you can get .jigdo files and build your own CD's. I've a non-networked machine at work - and a local mirror.
Using jigdo allows me to build the CD's for any
architecture and is a preferred method of Debian CD distribution as it spreads the load.
Except people on dialup.
Don't you guys ever get tired of this particular bit of silliness?
No, they don't.
"I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
I run my home Debian on the bleeding edge (unstable), and as a business application I'm the first to scream for the very latest database features, it seems to me that DBMSs are justifiably moved along the upgrade path at a slower pace than web browsers, for a variety of reasons. A major point release upgrade of your database is something you want to do on your schedule, and not the Debian release schedule's.
Surely the envionment of all-new stable Debian packages will make it that much easier for someone who absolutely *must* have PostGres 8.0 to hand-roll a PG 8.0 under sarge than under woody, right?
(I'll admit this is a half-baked post. Mod me down -0.5, inane.)
By all accounts this release was somewhat of a surprise. So how would someone who cared(TM) have known that the severity was not high enough to get the Debian team to "slow down there cowboy"?
jigdo allows the load to be spread over more mirrors (since it can use any debian mirror not just those that have the cd images) but its still downloading from thier mirrors.
bittorrent otoh gives most of the load to the downloaders.
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I guess that by the end of the day, Duke Nukem Forever will be out.
http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release- notes.en.txt
:)
For the sarge release, packages that were formerly in the non-US part of the archive have been moved into the regular archive. If you have any lines referring to "non-us" in your `/etc/apt/sources.list', you should remove them.
In case anyone was wondering, like I was...
I doubt that too many people believe that it's really happened, so they aren't trying to download it.
Most people are probably off looking for a certain FPS starring Duke Nukem instead... that or they are making a killing sweaters to the residents of Hell.
I heard that your library burnt down and destroyed your only two books - and one was not even coloured in yet.
looks like I switched from using testing (to ubuntu) just in time to avoid the influx of sid packages! Glad I avoided that this time around. It's broken a couple installs for me beyond the point of patience.
~/ssh slashdot.org ssh: connect to host slashdot.org port 22: too many beers
I've been following the release-critical bugs, which were down to about 18 a few days ago but have since jumped up to about 30.
I thought it was only going to be released when there were 0 release-critical bugs. Does this mean that all those packages have been left out of sarge, as per the original announcement? Otherwise, what's going on?
to be finally rid of that three year woody
The new testing release is called etch.
... "hell has frozen over jokes"?
/etc/apt/sources.list and include a couple of TESTING sources, you'll get updates every week or three. Sometimes it's as simple as :%s/stable/testing/ .
The whole point of Debian stable is that it's a locked down STABLE release with only tried-and-true software.
You want updates sooner? Edit
Can we let the Deb bashing end now?
...thanking Debian by contributing to their projects? They are the ones who keep their distribution truly Libre (Free) and community-managed, in contrast with the commercial GNU/Linux distributors. When I will have time I will try to help them with translations. You should do something, too.
This release was planned for last weekend and was delayed by another week. This was public knowledge to anyone who reads Planet Debian, or even debian-devel-announce.
Ethan
>>On the other hand, I don't know anyone who uses pound.
The original post clearly says Slashdot uses pound. Did you not read the entire post before responding?
is it just me or is the DVD .iso way to small? It claims it is 4.1 and 4.4GB but it only downloads up to 360MB before it finishes...
http://www.busyweather.com/
Why does their distribution system suck so much ass! I hate jigdo! (note I am running windows because i can't give up the games). Jigdo lite for windows is so unbelievably annoying to use! I don't mind the fact that it's on the command line, but damn can't they add support for cutting/pasting? God! I wanted to get the DVD isos but i typed like 3 pages of text and ended with errors, with no ability to copy and paste in order to fix a mistake. I like the idea, but it is better implemented in bittorrent, which for some reason they don't have the dvd images available for.I really do love Debian though, you just can't beat apt-get. It is definitely my favorite distro
At least it didn't take as long as Lucas took to complete *wars! It loaded perfectly this afternoon. Oh wait...was that a windoze machine I wiped for a customer and installed Sarge on? World-wide Debian install base +1; Windoze exP install base -1. Woody was, Sarge is, Etch will be...but sometimes I still miss the 70s and RT-11 on the old PDP 11/34...
A big downer of running Linux on a Mac is missing things like full featured java, flash, wine, nvidia drivers, and few other binary tools. Not that this bothers the purists mind you but some of us have to use them.
Linux on one of these x86 Macs should run just as well as Linux on decent x86 chipsets.
Myself, I don't buy new Macs just to run Linux on them but I'll cheerfully deploy spare Macs as servers if they're somewhat beefy.
The problem with that excuse is that even unstable branch has not fixed this.
The security problem was fixed by the upstream developer over 40 days ago. And multiple upstream releases have been made available over the past 40 days.
The only thing Debian needed to do was simply build the new source and package it up.
Sure, I love Debian but I don't think making excuses for things like this is the beneficial for the distro.
the first 1,500 bug reports will be up on their bug reporting system by tomorrow morning.
This is what they get for releasing early.
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publish this somewhere. K5 if you have no where else. Or start a blog or something.
.gov, .edu folks to see, esp. in Cali. where Sec. 508 is now state law (for state funded inst.).
This kind of info. would be great for
TIA!
I have debian computers on a narrow-band connection to the Internet. They all will apt-get pretty much the same packages. Is there some way I can set a caching apt-get proxy on one machine, so not every machine has to re-download the latest version of each package?
For a full set of CDs (that only an anal collector would actually want) for all 11 archs, and the source, you'll need 164 CDs
Finally! A use for that huge spindle of CD-Rs on my desk! Or better yet, that 120GB hard drive I never planned on using! Whew, I thought those would just sit around forever collecting dust...
I let it d/l for 4 hours in Konqueror on FreeBSD-Stable, got 8 GB total of it, (it was almost done), looked again and it had timed out on both downloads. Using Konqueror's RESUME option I proceeded to finish my downloading. Nope. It said it was resuming yet in reality it started from 0 and began climbing without listing the filesize total. I decided screw it thats enough, cancelled them both. I am now compiling jigdo to see if that works.
/bring that on
This is now officially the biggest most lame crashed download I have ever experienced since 300 bps on an Atari 835 back in the 80's. For what? A distro that is never as up to date as the rest. Maybe I'm meant to stick to BSD Stable and Cooker. I am only compelled to d/l it because of the tremendous amount of included software.
Yes this sucks. Who to complain to? Can anyone hear my screams? 8 GB Crashed Download(tm) from cdimage. New Broken Record.
If jigdo works, cool. If not, screw Debian... I'm going home. I'm not even going to bother with BT just to have 24 GB of crashed downloading.
meet the new sarge. same as the old sarge.
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So does it mean that those who new about the bug, new about the impending release, didn't really care?
p.s.
... .part files as if it really is resuming.
When I tried to ftp download with 2000 Server initially, it wouldn't even see over a gig of the file regardless of IE/Firefox. I assume it is an OS limitation. It actually finished with like 327MB on one of the isos.
$800 for an OS that you can't even download dvd's with.
Which one pisses me off more
1) Windows won't even download a DVD
2) CDimage times out 300 MB before end of 8 GB d/l
3) Konqueror's RESUME function restarts and overwrites the
4) Debian is really launched as an older release of all software (supposedly more stable)
5) Picking fly shit out of black pepper.
6) Cleaning bird shit out of cuckoo clocks.
7) All of the above.
A. 7
p.s.
so does Slow Down Cowboy 9 minutes after the 2 minute limit.
Hey there guy!
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People who like them selves use Bittorrent for this kind of thing.
Bittorrent is very robust. It check the integrity of the data as part of its normal operation. The data is exchanged, piece by piece, between the clients. It's far superior to resumed downloads.
This is a nice Java based client I like to use.
http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
The torrent files are at:
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/b
Thanks Script Cat. I actually started to compile Azureus from ports before I decided on Jigdo. I have used Bittorrent for a long time as needed.
I just attempted to d/l the dvd-iso's with Jigdo-lite and it downloaded the template files then began spamming my Konsole bash prompt with "resolved cdimage.blahblah" "404 File not found". Something is wrong.
Since I didn't waste 8 GB more bandwidth with jigdo like I did with ftp, I will go ahead and take your advice and install Azureus. Luckily I just yesterday compiled java. 1.7 GB of compile space and several hours later, I can now hopefully compile Azureus. I will just let it run in my sleep tonight. Tomorrow... burn.
Later Daze k-k00l
Good luck!
This is the parent link with the different arch.s and dvd images.
http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/
I'm curious if I just need to remove all those packages? (about 10 i think) and then do my dist-upgrade? or just remove the individual entries from my source.list.
I am shocked! Shocked! Well, not that shocked
Is it digitally signed ?
They might be automatically removed due to their dependencies on packages that no longer exist in sarge. I suggest you try it first. The dependency system in apt is very robust and things should happen with those packages if there are any problems.
Or, things may not have changed, and the backports can be used as is.
Nonetheless, if you would like to play it safe, do remove them.
I am SO not downloading that.
And now Wikipedia's entry on slashdotting is /.ed...
h)And Good Anakin became Bad Anakin
is 5 or 6 more browsers really "A hell lot more than that"? (and if you re-read that - don't you think that should say " A hell of a lot more than that?" but im guessing you're a amerikan, and you could care less about such things, which implies you care about it to some degree rather than saying you could not care less about something, which implies that you have no care at all so how could you care any less, and im rambling now)
back to the point - is 5 or 6 moer really a hell of a lot more, or just a few more?
inquiring minds need to know!
No they should use ther business card cd. netinst will only install the -i386 kernel, while business will pick the right one (-686, -k7 etc).
I still don't understand why the net-install isn't released as a windows installer. I'm currently trying to build a ubuntu installer (with grub and grldr) but I can't get it to work (ntfs is a pain). However, with a few more hands (and brains) this should be doable.
I'm amazed that people don't read the Release Notes even if they are available for all eleven architectures and translated to 14 different languages. The recommended method for upgrade is aptitude not apt-get. It has shown that it has better dependency solving for complex issues (such as a dist-upgrade).
Please go through the Release Notes, the relevant chapter is Upgrades from previous releases (link goes to english version for i386).
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Wow! Fireforx 1.04 ?!
I only have Firefox 1.0. You know, when a Debian release has a higher browser version then you do, you know it is time to upgrade.
Any comparisons, reviews and/or screenshots of Sarge yet? I'm especially curious about the installation process (I've installed "potato", back around kernel 2.2 era I believe it was, and it was rediculously counter-intuitive). I'm ready to try it again.
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found a debian setup...
congratulations to the debian team - great work!!
your contributions to open source are endless and huge!!! and believe me when I say this - IT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!
THANKS!!!
164 great cd's !! ;)
mmmm I wonder if someone offer free cd like ubuntu does. It would be nice aren't u
i'm sure sarge full cd sets only started fairly recently (less than a year ago iirc) because the installer was in heavy development until then.
dunno about what happened regarding cd sets before woody release though.
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Well 12 is 171% of 7, so you might say "a hell lot more" without too much hyperbole, regardless of the grammar. However, at the moment, Debian unstable actually has 27 packages that provide the "www-browser" virtual package, which I would certainly put at the "hell lot more" level.
Be one with your UID.
I just upgraded my Woody box which had several backports installed. This needed unusual amount of typing for a Debian user -- altogether three short commands instead of the usual two. Heh, :-) I guess the aptitude was recommended for good reasons, so i won't bitch about it any more.
The upgrade succeeded without a single glitch and my new Sarge box runs like charm. All backports were also upgraded without problems. Nothing's broken, everything just works. There is no other operating system distro in the world, which you could just install once and then upgrade forever.
Great job, Debian team!!!
One other thing worth noting about BitTorrent is that it can 'fix' broken downloads. So put that 8GB partial download you have (you kept it, right?) when BitTorrent will see it, and BitTorrent will notice the parts that are already downloaded and just request the rest.
pseduo-mod: "+1 Funny"
Don't worry, I'm already upgrading your system.
Analogies don't equal equalities, they are merely somewhat analogous.
It'll be nice to see folks rushing to "Zurg", instead of the other way around . . .
I'm not tense. I'm just terribly, terribly, alert.
If I've been using the "testing" moniker, do I have to do a dist-upgrade to stay on testing?
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i think the ubuntu cds only cover main though so theres a lot less of them. (ubuntu put the bulk of stuff from debian into a seperate area called universe and only put a relatively small amount of stuff in the fully supported main section).
also iirc ubuntu has some rich backer who can pay for things like massive distributions of free cds.
if you need debian cds (hint: if you have a decent internet connection you need cd1 at most) there are plenty of vendors who will ship them to you for a reasonable price (it seems many of them don't have sarge yet though).
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