We've already established that it's an AMD, so this is of little help:)
Joking aside, stock fan/heatsink, good quality gigabit board, exhaust fan in back, intake in front. No obstructions (I'm not using ribbon cables). Building PCs for almost 15 years, I'd have to say the installation is excellent.
I've run the case open with a _real_ fan blowing straight at it. It will run about 47c then.
Your post just reinforces my opinion that AMDs vary greatly, whereas my experience with Intel has been consistent (and more favorable, I might add). As for the parent of my original post: classic slashdot-esque troll. Opinons vary.
Are you kidding me? AMD may be more PC than Intel, but I've had the best cool running experiences with Intel, compared to say, an AMD. Let me start with some chips of about 8 years ago until now:
AMD K6 200 MHz - Constantly ran hot. Upgraded the fan/heatsink several times. Ended up having to downclock it to avoid sig11 issues.
AMD K6-2 450 MHz - Top of the line heatsink. Very favorable fan. Chip burned up. Returned it less than a month after buying it and was given in exchange...
AMD K6-2 550 MHz - Nice and fast for its time. Went with the best heatsink and fan available. Modified the case to include 3 fans, making it a bit of a wind tunnel. Within 6 months it was giving sig11 issues. It ran so hit that it had screwed up the bearings on the CPU fan. Replaced the fan, CPU died a month afterwards.
AMD Athlon XP 2200 - Best AMD to date. Runs very hot (55-60c) but the damn thing just doesn't quit. AMD Recommended fan and heatsink. It's hot, but I don't care. It's been running fine for more than 2 years. A few times I've approached 80c while playing UT2003. 80c is apparently the breaking point, according to AMD documentation. We'll see:)
To contrast, my Intel experiences:
Intel 486 DX - Ran cool. Never had any problems. Still works more than 10 years later.
Intel P 133 - Ran cool. Never had any problems. Still works fine more than 10 years later.
Intel P2-233 - Went on vacation and didn't notice the fan gave out. Ran hot (45c) the entire time I'm guessing (CPU intensive screen saver ran constantly). Fixed fan, ran cool, still works, many years later.
Intel Celeron 500 (I think) - Ran cool. Still works.
Intel P3 800 - Runs cool. Heatsink caked with cat hair. Still running as we speak doing seti@home.
Intel P4 1800 (laptop dell i8200) - Pretty damn toasty (45-55c). Has never missed a beat, though...
So, I've owned more Intel than AMD and had no fatal problems with Intel chips and in my experience the Intels have generally run cooler (compared to the AMDs I have experience with). All AMD chips I've owned have killed themselves quite early in their lives, except my current XP 2200. I am quite pleased with the XP 2200, however...
I would love to hear other people's stories, though.
Perhaps you could. But is it really worth it? I spent months at my previous job dealing with Asterisk code. Ga-freaking-ross. I'd rather be debugging random memory corruption on vxWorks:)
Fuck bittorrent. Firstly, someone, please, anyone, please identify anything once available via bittorrent that isn't available via ftp/http. 99% of things I download via bittorrent do work, but come in drastically slower than their ftp served (or http served) counterparts.
I challenge the community to identify what they need that isn't available (but once was) from these sites that isn't a tracker for an illegal downloadable. Obvioulsy, free software does not count. Go ahead. Prove me wrong, please. I tend to get up too 200kbps (after it takes half a morning to warm up) with bittorrent where as I receive 300-400kbps with ftp or https download.
Agreed. Google doesn't stand much of a chance in the long run. Just look at google's Q4 revenue & net income VS. Microsoft's Q4 revenue & net income.
That's about 9.2 times the revenue and 13 times the net income. Microsoft will continue grow its army, penetrate deeply into search and other markets, and blow google out of the water in the long run. This is standard operating procedure folks.
Nerds do tend to be unusual. Remeber which site you're on, right? Perhaps you just don't know how to use your computer effectively and are convinced that a new machine every 2 years will compensate for your lack of... something...?
Good cause? Doubtful. What are they trying to do other than charge you an arbitrary amount of money (not to exceed 10 dollars) for properly disposing of your computer. Well, I still posess computers I purchased 20 years ago. Will I get rid of them? Nope. What would happen to the money? It's dropped into these asshole's coffers, to put food on their table and do nothing for you.
Assume you pay 10 dollars for this. 5-10 years from now will inflation have had an impact on the cost of doing this? Probably. So, why is this calculated now, as opposed to when you bring your box down to the dump? For no good reason, of course.
10 dollars times 10 million is a lot of money for nothing.
There are no defined laws of "new software." The "old software" is largely defined by the players that captured whatever market there was to capture at the time. It's not "old software" with an old process.
Realize that the software industry has had most of its life squeezed from it. Sure, there will be decent jobs in software for quite a long time (I hope...), but leave your dreams behind, unless you plan to come up with something innovative. When I say innovative, I mean the type of innovative where common people actually want to buy it, as opposed to turning on a few geeks. If you are successful, you sure as shit won't be sharing your x number of secrets. What a waste of bandwidth.
You're weaker than women. We get it. But I really don't think it's fair to make assumptions of a whole separate sex of people due to your abilities or inabilities.
To hell with the fancy paints. Here's my secret:
1) Install security camera overlooking the street
2) Wait for nerds to pull up when they discover my network
3) Grab my baseball bat
4) Run outside and pound them to a pulp
Works every time.
Seriously, there is not a large enough market force to open up the firmware.
This is a very apt observation of you, and indeed correct. However, this is not what anybody is requesting. The firmware binary blob, which is downloadable via a stupid click-through license, is not being requested to be "opened". The request is that the binary blob's license be amended to be able to be redistributed by OSS projects. This is the same exact file that is freely available, legally, from Intel's site.
One must ask what the hell the big deal is. The file's already available, why can't we redistribute it under a relatively free license such that these devices work out of the box without their users going through ridiculous gyrations just to make them function?
Again, nobody is asking for the schematics of the DSP and how to code firmware for it. We just want the already available blob to be freely redistributable, binary only.
Keep looking chief. Found a sweet place (2000 sq ft, fully updated, great condition) in the east bay in a pretty damn nice neighborhood for a tad under 600k. Not sure the lifestyle you lead, but will definitely be able to afford that and then some with a "decent" salary.
1) You're deluded. Open Sourcing the kernel code has nothing to do with competing with Linux. The kernel code is way too slick to be expecting Joe Hacker to add value to it. Opening the kernel code is so that their customers, big financial institutions (or software houses that cater to them) have access to the kernel source so they can add value to the kernel.
Riiight. So, this is different from Linux how, exactly? Linux code is open, therefore large firms can add value to it. Now the same can be said about Solaris. By leveling this playing field, you're claiming this isn't an attempt to compete how exactly?
2) The extra money they're sending SCO is chicken feed compared to the legal bills SCO will have to eventually payout. As a delaying strategy, it sucks, because it looks like SCO will run out of legal gas very soon (like two years).
It would seem to me, that SCO has capped its legal expenses at $31m, having spent over $12m so far. AFAIK, the details of the latest Sun/SCO license fees are undisclosed at this point. Perhaps it's rumor, but what I can uncover is that it is on the order of several million. If it were less than $1m, then chicken feed might be the appropriate term. Otherwise, it just seems like more fuel to me. It's not like they have billon dollar deep pockets for legal expenses. It's all on a relatively small scale in comparison to other legal arsenals. A few million helps big time.
But I do agree, SCO is running out of gas.
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It almost seems to me like this is a double-whammy on the Linux crowd from Sun:
1. Sun pays fee to SCO to open its code. It's quite apparent that Sun is opening its code to compete on a more level playing field with Linux, regardless of the specifics of GPL vs. Sun code licensing terms.
2. Sun assists in funding SCO's attack on IBM/Linux, giving their position against Linux a further advantage due to Linux being tied up further since SCO has just received more fuel.
How about utilizing the billions upon billions (trillions?) of annual tax dollars and eliminating the bullshit and spend it wisely. Oh yeah, because nobody can agree on what's a wise tax.
It seems unlikely to me that this will ever make it into the mainstream. I can only imagine this working
if all vehicles on the road were computer driven, which seems simply unplausible unless we constructed an alternate set of roads for these computerized cars and gradually transisitoned.
Otherwise, imagine what would happen if group of drivers you cited (tired, drunk, stupid, etc...) came into the range of a computer driven car that didn't speak the protocol, and therefore didn't notice the other car. I'd say you wouldn't have a standing chance against all the idiots since the computer is doing the driving. At least humans have a chance to react. This is, of course, assuming that there's a mix of computerized and non computerized cars on the road. I can't imagine everybody tossing their cars away and buying these new fandango computerized cars.
AFAIK, California does not require an annual state vehicle inspection like some (most?) other states do. They just screw you with the smog tests instead.
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Your setup is messed up.
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We've already established that it's an AMD, so this is of little help
Joking aside, stock fan/heatsink, good quality gigabit board, exhaust fan in back, intake in front. No obstructions (I'm not using ribbon cables). Building PCs for almost 15 years, I'd have to say the installation is excellent.
I've run the case open with a _real_ fan blowing straight at it. It will run about 47c then.
Your post just reinforces my opinion that AMDs vary greatly, whereas my experience with Intel has been consistent (and more favorable, I might add). As for the parent of my original post: classic slashdot-esque troll. Opinons vary.
To contrast, my Intel experiences:
- Intel 486 DX - Ran cool. Never had any problems. Still works more than 10 years later.
- Intel P 133 - Ran cool. Never had any problems. Still works fine more than 10 years later.
- Intel P2-233 - Went on vacation and didn't notice the fan gave out. Ran hot (45c) the entire time I'm guessing (CPU intensive screen saver ran constantly). Fixed fan, ran cool, still works, many years later.
- Intel Celeron 500 (I think) - Ran cool. Still works.
- Intel P3 800 - Runs cool. Heatsink caked with cat hair. Still running as we speak doing seti@home.
- Intel P4 1800 (laptop dell i8200) - Pretty damn toasty (45-55c). Has never missed a beat, though...
So, I've owned more Intel than AMD and had no fatal problems with Intel chips and in my experience the Intels have generally run cooler (compared to the AMDs I have experience with). All AMD chips I've owned have killed themselves quite early in their lives, except my current XP 2200. I am quite pleased with the XP 2200, however...I would love to hear other people's stories, though.
Perhaps you could. But is it really worth it? I spent months at my previous job dealing with Asterisk code. Ga-freaking-ross. I'd rather be debugging random memory corruption on vxWorks :)
The moon? Absolutely
Oh yeah? what?
It's a virgin soil and it has to remain so
It was until we started crashing rovers into it. Also, would you care to elaborate on what kind of equilibrium you're referring to?
Ahhh!! fuck modding. You've obviously got a sack enough to prove nothing. Why not try to argue a point? Worthless mother fuckers.
Fuck modding. You've obviously got a sack enough to prove nothing. Why not try to argue a point? Worthless mother fuckers.
Fuck bittorrent. Firstly, someone, please, anyone, please identify anything once available via bittorrent that isn't available via ftp/http. 99% of things I download via bittorrent do work, but come in drastically slower than their ftp served (or http served) counterparts.
I challenge the community to identify what they need that isn't available (but once was) from these sites that isn't a tracker for an illegal downloadable. Obvioulsy, free software does not count. Go ahead. Prove me wrong, please. I tend to get up too 200kbps (after it takes half a morning to warm up) with bittorrent where as I receive 300-400kbps with ftp or https download.
Wow. An astonishing troll of an article. Well done!
Agreed. Google doesn't stand much of a chance in the long run. Just look at google's Q4 revenue & net income VS. Microsoft's Q4 revenue & net income.
That's about 9.2 times the revenue and 13 times the net income. Microsoft will continue grow its army, penetrate deeply into search and other markets, and blow google out of the water in the long run. This is standard operating procedure folks.
Nerds do tend to be unusual. Remeber which site you're on, right? Perhaps you just don't know how to use your computer effectively and are convinced that a new machine every 2 years will compensate for your lack of... something...?
Good cause? Doubtful. What are they trying to do other than charge you an arbitrary amount of money (not to exceed 10 dollars) for properly disposing of your computer. Well, I still posess computers I purchased 20 years ago. Will I get rid of them? Nope. What would happen to the money? It's dropped into these asshole's coffers, to put food on their table and do nothing for you.
Assume you pay 10 dollars for this. 5-10 years from now will inflation have had an impact on the cost of doing this? Probably. So, why is this calculated now, as opposed to when you bring your box down to the dump? For no good reason, of course.
10 dollars times 10 million is a lot of money for nothing.
There are no defined laws of "new software." The "old software" is largely defined by the players that captured whatever market there was to capture at the time. It's not "old software" with an old process.
Realize that the software industry has had most of its life squeezed from it. Sure, there will be decent jobs in software for quite a long time (I hope...), but leave your dreams behind, unless you plan to come up with something innovative. When I say innovative, I mean the type of innovative where common people actually want to buy it, as opposed to turning on a few geeks. If you are successful, you sure as shit won't be sharing your x number of secrets. What a waste of bandwidth.
I watched for about 40 minutes. The entire duration he spoke like he was the president of Iraq. What a goddamned asshole.
(Another item I sometimes have trouble with.)
You're weaker than women. We get it. But I really don't think it's fair to make assumptions of a whole separate sex of people due to your abilities or inabilities.
To hell with the fancy paints. Here's my secret: 1) Install security camera overlooking the street 2) Wait for nerds to pull up when they discover my network 3) Grab my baseball bat 4) Run outside and pound them to a pulp Works every time.
Seriously, there is not a large enough market force to open up the firmware.
This is a very apt observation of you, and indeed correct. However, this is not what anybody is requesting. The firmware binary blob, which is downloadable via a stupid click-through license, is not being requested to be "opened". The request is that the binary blob's license be amended to be able to be redistributed by OSS projects. This is the same exact file that is freely available, legally, from Intel's site.
One must ask what the hell the big deal is. The file's already available, why can't we redistribute it under a relatively free license such that these devices work out of the box without their users going through ridiculous gyrations just to make them function?
Again, nobody is asking for the schematics of the DSP and how to code firmware for it. We just want the already available blob to be freely redistributable, binary only.
Keep looking chief. Found a sweet place (2000 sq ft, fully updated, great condition) in the east bay in a pretty damn nice neighborhood for a tad under 600k. Not sure the lifestyle you lead, but will definitely be able to afford that and then some with a "decent" salary.
I'm not sure. It seems they're trying to patent an operator. I know python has this directly:
if someobj is not otherobj: foo
Although I'm not the best at deciphering these patent documents... maybe your example does infringe.
1) You're deluded. Open Sourcing the kernel code has nothing to do with competing with Linux. The kernel code is way too slick to be expecting Joe Hacker to add value to it. Opening the kernel code is so that their customers, big financial institutions (or software houses that cater to them) have access to the kernel source so they can add value to the kernel.
Riiight. So, this is different from Linux how, exactly? Linux code is open, therefore large firms can add value to it. Now the same can be said about Solaris. By leveling this playing field, you're claiming this isn't an attempt to compete how exactly?
2) The extra money they're sending SCO is chicken feed compared to the legal bills SCO will have to eventually payout. As a delaying strategy, it sucks, because it looks like SCO will run out of legal gas very soon (like two years).
It would seem to me, that SCO has capped its legal expenses at $31m, having spent over $12m so far. AFAIK, the details of the latest Sun/SCO license fees are undisclosed at this point. Perhaps it's rumor, but what I can uncover is that it is on the order of several million. If it were less than $1m, then chicken feed might be the appropriate term. Otherwise, it just seems like more fuel to me. It's not like they have billon dollar deep pockets for legal expenses. It's all on a relatively small scale in comparison to other legal arsenals. A few million helps big time.
But I do agree, SCO is running out of gas.
It almost seems to me like this is a double-whammy on the Linux crowd from Sun:
1. Sun pays fee to SCO to open its code. It's quite apparent that Sun is opening its code to compete on a more level playing field with Linux, regardless of the specifics of GPL vs. Sun code licensing terms.
2. Sun assists in funding SCO's attack on IBM/Linux, giving their position against Linux a further advantage due to Linux being tied up further since SCO has just received more fuel.
How about utilizing the billions upon billions (trillions?) of annual tax dollars and eliminating the bullshit and spend it wisely. Oh yeah, because nobody can agree on what's a wise tax.
Eh, Linux isn't that bad. I prefer Net or OpenBSD, but in terms of general use, Linux is fair game. Besides, I wouldn't stake my life on any OS.
It seems unlikely to me that this will ever make it into the mainstream. I can only imagine this working if all vehicles on the road were computer driven, which seems simply unplausible unless we constructed an alternate set of roads for these computerized cars and gradually transisitoned.
Otherwise, imagine what would happen if group of drivers you cited (tired, drunk, stupid, etc...) came into the range of a computer driven car that didn't speak the protocol, and therefore didn't notice the other car. I'd say you wouldn't have a standing chance against all the idiots since the computer is doing the driving. At least humans have a chance to react. This is, of course, assuming that there's a mix of computerized and non computerized cars on the road. I can't imagine everybody tossing their cars away and buying these new fandango computerized cars.
AFAIK, California does not require an annual state vehicle inspection like some (most?) other states do. They just screw you with the smog tests instead.