If you had any clue what so ever you would see that a Debian box connected to the net and unfirewalled that is not updated extremely regularly could be owned within minutes.
A *base* install? really? Bullshit
I mean the Debian developers will tell you this
Bullshit, they wont. I have servers running live on the net for months on end with no firewall and a bunch of services turned on, and have never had a problem
I am not some retard who blindly says 'linux is best'. You have cast yourself as the nemesis of these misguided individuals, which is fine, but you dont need to tell lies to try to illustrate your point. Obviously Debian, and other distros have weaknesses, in terms of security, usability etc... A base Debian installation usually only has ssh listening, so if you can exploit sshd then you are doing well. Also, lots of services will only listen for incoming connections from remote machines if you explicitly tell them to do so (apache, mysql).
I expect that you think the default windows set up (running everything as root) is also a good idea?
Slashdot is full of retards, just like you
Poor baby, maybe if you hate it so much you should fuck off and read osnews instead you peasant.
Debian is way more secure than windows, how long do you think it would take the average debian box (connected to the net and unfirewalled) to get owned?
I like your style though, posting as AC while claiming not to be new.
Ooh you big tough American, I am in awe of your power! How wrong of me to dare to engage *you* in debate, either that, or maybe I realised that you are a vacuous idiot who can not accept that people have different philosophies, and won't even accept my reasonable points.
Until you get in the way, when you'll be exterminated
Are you going to exterminate me? I am so scared that a pseudo-nerd is going to exterminate me.
It is obvious (to me anyway) that I am nothing to you, and that you are nothing to me. Making pretend threats and idle boasts about how big/tough/righteous we are is completely pointless, and I will not engage in it. Sureley even you, 'doctor', must realise that?
I tried to engage you in debate and you responded by insinuating that my country would more likely end up like Syria than Switzerland (a neighbour). As far as I am concerned that was an insult and the end of any cordiality in the debate. If you apologise, then I will apologise for slagging your 'great nation' that has been doing it's best to fuck up the world since the fifties.
As for "the ongoing destruction of America by weaklings like you", well, asshole, you get the leaders you deserve. If you bad enough about it then maybe it is time for the tree of liberty to be refreshed with "with the blood of patriots" like yourself. If not, tough noogies
If you want to defend your assertions, you have to defend them
Not so, I seem to remember a bunch of American scientists who refused to enter into debate with a bunch of Bible bashing lunatics over the legitimacy of the theory of evolution by natural selection. An apt quote to express their feelings on the matter:
'don't argue with fools, because people from a distance can't tell who is who' - Jay-Z
Which is precisely what I intend to do in this case, because you clearly are a fool if you think that Belgium or France will end up like Syria if the people accept a small infringment on their personal privacy in return for significant improvements in road safety levels.
Syria sponsors terrorism don't they? They also commit grave human rights violations, in fact in that aspect your country probably has more in common with Syria than mine, even if we get Satellites tracking our cars:)
So I'd like to know what your reasons are for valuing your own country more than you'd value a country where freedoms are lowered, with consequently higher auto safety.
As far as I know there is no country (yet) which has lowered the freedoms of its people, resulting in 'higher auto safety'. Are you suggesting that Syria has 'higher auto safety' (whatever that is?) than the country in which I live?
But you explicitly value those freedoms lower than, say, auto safety
Which freedoms are we talking about here? For me personally, to decide whether I valued my personal freedom more than the resulting safety benefit I would have to see the details of the implementation, not just an article about it. I would then weigh it up and decide.
My eyes were opened to the freedom -vs- $benefitToSociety issue this winter when I was living in Switzerland. The people there enjoy (in many, but not all ways) less personal freedom than I do in my own country, but when I see the benefits they reap, I think it is worth it. Switzerland is an extremly well run, wealthy country, with low crime rates, that has not been at war for 400 years. I would gladly make those personal freedom sacrifices necessary to ensure those benefits (eg showing my passport when purchasing a mobile phone).
However, only I will be the one of us who knows that about you
I think it is a mistake to presume to know this about me. If this is a taunt, the goal of which is to get me to reply, then it is not necessary. If you would like to further this discussion, I would respectfully ask that you don't attempt to goad me into responding.
I was trying to make a constructive comment and further the discussion. Clearly you are not. I am guessing that you are fom the USA and that you place a higher value on personal freedom than I do, which is fine. But there is no need to be cheeky about it. I am not going to abuse you about the 'freedoms' you enjoy in your own country (although it wouldn't be too difficult).
There is never a speed at which driving abruptly changes from "safe" to "dangerous"
I agree, I also think that there are a lot of donkeys out there who are not competent drivers, and that incompetence - rather than speed causes most car accidents.
However, the results of accidents stemming from incompetence, must be worse when the speed is higher, so in my opinion some limit is necessary.
I think that if such a monitoring system were in place (arguments about personal freedom aside), there could be a large number of associated benefits.
Dangerous driving could be almost eradicated. Those boy racing scumbags who overtake 10 cars coming up to a blind corner would immediately flag themselves as such the authorities could fine them/revoke their license as appropriate.
If an accident claim went to court, there could be unbiased evidence of the speed/behaviour of cars involved.
Road usage statistics would be easily available, enabling better biasing of traffic lights (and possibly re-routing of vehicles)
Insurance premiums could drop if there were a significant reduction in accident levels/costs.
It might be possible to use the system to combat vehicle theft.
It is my opinion that levels of road deaths will continue at unacceptably high levels until humans are stopped from directly controlling vehicles. Until that time, I would gladly welcome a monitoring system such as this.
I undestand your concern. I think that this is obviously going to result in a loss of individual privacy (not sure exactly how much).
The way I look at it, the benefits need to be weighed against the losses. Personally I would gladly trade part of my freedom/privacy if it would result in a significant reduction in road accidents/deaths, but I can understand that many people would not feel the same.
I think this plan would never be accepted in the USA, due to the emphasis that exists there on personal freedom (I think, I'm a Euro), but would stand significantly better chances in Europe, where the public accept government intervention much more easily.
Yeah... because the performance of an individual is an accurate enough way to make a statement as to their IQ level, I mean look at Einstein when he was a patent clerk, getting passed over for promotion. Clearly he was a genius.
I think maybe you are talking out of your ass. Genius level intelligence is IQ 150. Attempting to deduce $All_Google_Developer_IQ from 'their performance' (whatever that is) is not possible, unless 'their performance' is their performance in an IQ test.
In science, statements of fact are supposed to be known/provable pieces of information, that can be relied on. Guesses/hypotheses are not statements of fact. Here is an example of a guess:
You are in marketing
You have not admitted that your statement was incorrect (when it clearly was). You have in fact made an even more outrageous claim, that 'All Google developers have genius level IQs .
I suspect that even now you will not admit the error (why can't you just admit it? everyone makes mistakes). You will more likely ignore me/try to belittle me/make an even more outrageous claim/accuse me of 'hatred of america'
bullshit, they dont only hire PhD's, and only a very small proportion of employees (although perhaps larger than most places) have genius level IQ. You seem unable to make accurate statements, is everything else that you say also inaccurate?
When the US Government kills people in other nations, its usually to protect Americans. Any logical person would understand that this is perfectly moral.
Yeah, like the Italian journalist whose car was shot up, or the thousands of Iraqi civillians killed by US bombs and troops, good job protecting the americans.
Ah yes, the famous good guy/bad guy factor. I'd say that one would stand up in a court of law allright...
I dont hate America, just the imbeciles that can't take any criticism of their country without resorting to accusing the offender of 'hatred of America'
Wankers like you are the reason that lots of people in civilised countries despise Americans.
By your logic, if Iraq had an atomic bomb, or powerful chemical/bio weapons, then they would have been justified in using those weapons to attack New York (which would be trivial).
All the servers on the internet, along with supercomputers, thin clients, embedded devices, mobile phones, and programmers workstations constitute a significant potential userbase.
I'd say Linus and the lads probably arent worried about the fact that 'Linux' is too difficult for you, thats up to the distros.
Suse or Mandriva do enough hand holding for most non intellectually challenged users.
So all of you are saying that running these things would actually be of some use? BS
Well it would be of use to me, I couldn't care less if it wouldn't be of use to you, but it makes you look dumb to call it bullshit considering that I, and a bunch of other people have legitimate uses for it.
as for me, I'll use it for its designed purpose
Thats great for you, it shouldn't bother you that other people will want to use it for other stuff though.
You could do lots of cool stuff running linux on one of these
run an operating system that you are comfortable with
run a kannel SMS server
run an ssh server
use sshfs to access your remote files securely as if they were local
run a webserver, not sure if you can do this over gprs but I think itd be cool to let your family/friends see where you are at any time.
use ethereal, or kismet (with GPS too) and nmap to search for / scan networks
Basically you can do (obviously) all the things you can do on linux that you cant do on windows, and (eventually when it is set up and stable) not have the thing crash, which I think is cool!
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A *base* install? really? Bullshit
Bullshit, they wont. I have servers running live on the net for months on end with no firewall and a bunch of services turned on, and have never had a problem
I am not some retard who blindly says 'linux is best'. You have cast yourself as the nemesis of these misguided individuals, which is fine, but you dont need to tell lies to try to illustrate your point. Obviously Debian, and other distros have weaknesses, in terms of security, usability etc... A base Debian installation usually only has ssh listening, so if you can exploit sshd then you are doing well. Also, lots of services will only listen for incoming connections from remote machines if you explicitly tell them to do so (apache, mysql).
I expect that you think the default windows set up (running everything as root) is also a good idea?
Poor baby, maybe if you hate it so much you should fuck off and read osnews instead you peasant.
Dont be such a whinger
Debian is way more secure than windows, how long do you think it would take the average debian box (connected to the net and unfirewalled) to get owned?
I like your style though, posting as AC while claiming not to be new.
Cool Site :)
Ooh you big tough American, I am in awe of your power! How wrong of me to dare to engage *you* in debate, either that, or maybe I realised that you are a vacuous idiot who can not accept that people have different philosophies, and won't even accept my reasonable points.
Are you going to exterminate me? I am so scared that a pseudo-nerd is going to exterminate me.
It is obvious (to me anyway) that I am nothing to you, and that you are nothing to me. Making pretend threats and idle boasts about how big/tough/righteous we are is completely pointless, and I will not engage in it. Sureley even you, 'doctor', must realise that?
I tried to engage you in debate and you responded by insinuating that my country would more likely end up like Syria than Switzerland (a neighbour). As far as I am concerned that was an insult and the end of any cordiality in the debate. If you apologise, then I will apologise for slagging your 'great nation' that has been doing it's best to fuck up the world since the fifties.
As for "the ongoing destruction of America by weaklings like you", well, asshole, you get the leaders you deserve. If you bad enough about it then maybe it is time for the tree of liberty to be refreshed with "with the blood of patriots" like yourself. If not, tough noogies
Not so, I seem to remember a bunch of American scientists who refused to enter into debate with a bunch of Bible bashing lunatics over the legitimacy of the theory of evolution by natural selection. An apt quote to express their feelings on the matter:
Which is precisely what I intend to do in this case, because you clearly are a fool if you think that Belgium or France will end up like Syria if the people accept a small infringment on their personal privacy in return for significant improvements in road safety levels.
Syria sponsors terrorism don't they? They also commit grave human rights violations, in fact in that aspect your country probably has more in common with Syria than mine, even if we get Satellites tracking our cars :)
As far as I know there is no country (yet) which has lowered the freedoms of its people, resulting in 'higher auto safety'. Are you suggesting that Syria has 'higher auto safety' (whatever that is?) than the country in which I live?
Which freedoms are we talking about here? For me personally, to decide whether I valued my personal freedom more than the resulting safety benefit I would have to see the details of the implementation, not just an article about it. I would then weigh it up and decide.
My eyes were opened to the freedom -vs- $benefitToSociety issue this winter when I was living in Switzerland. The people there enjoy (in many, but not all ways) less personal freedom than I do in my own country, but when I see the benefits they reap, I think it is worth it. Switzerland is an extremly well run, wealthy country, with low crime rates, that has not been at war for 400 years. I would gladly make those personal freedom sacrifices necessary to ensure those benefits (eg showing my passport when purchasing a mobile phone).
I think it is a mistake to presume to know this about me. If this is a taunt, the goal of which is to get me to reply, then it is not necessary. If you would like to further this discussion, I would respectfully ask that you don't attempt to goad me into responding.
I was trying to make a constructive comment and further the discussion. Clearly you are not. I am guessing that you are fom the USA and that you place a higher value on personal freedom than I do, which is fine. But there is no need to be cheeky about it. I am not going to abuse you about the 'freedoms' you enjoy in your own country (although it wouldn't be too difficult).
Adieu, Doctor
Dammit, I was in NH for 4 months in 2002, and never once tried any local beer :(
I agree, I also think that there are a lot of donkeys out there who are not competent drivers, and that incompetence - rather than speed causes most car accidents.
However, the results of accidents stemming from incompetence, must be worse when the speed is higher, so in my opinion some limit is necessary.
I think that if such a monitoring system were in place (arguments about personal freedom aside), there could be a large number of associated benefits.
It is my opinion that levels of road deaths will continue at unacceptably high levels until humans are stopped from directly controlling vehicles. Until that time, I would gladly welcome a monitoring system such as this.
I undestand your concern. I think that this is obviously going to result in a loss of individual privacy (not sure exactly how much).
The way I look at it, the benefits need to be weighed against the losses. Personally I would gladly trade part of my freedom/privacy if it would result in a significant reduction in road accidents/deaths, but I can understand that many people would not feel the same.
I think this plan would never be accepted in the USA, due to the emphasis that exists there on personal freedom (I think, I'm a Euro), but would stand significantly better chances in Europe, where the public accept government intervention much more easily.
Hi. Are you twelve? Do you realize it makes you look like a total fool when you do that?
You don't like the dollar symbol, get over it.
Really? It would be damn hard to find a nicer beer than Hoegaarden or Duvel.
Yeah... because the performance of an individual is an accurate enough way to make a statement as to their IQ level, I mean look at Einstein when he was a patent clerk, getting passed over for promotion. Clearly he was a genius.
I think maybe you are talking out of your ass. Genius level intelligence is IQ 150. Attempting to deduce $All_Google_Developer_IQ from 'their performance' (whatever that is) is not possible, unless 'their performance' is their performance in an IQ test.
In science, statements of fact are supposed to be known/provable pieces of information, that can be relied on. Guesses/hypotheses are not statements of fact. Here is an example of a guess:
You have not admitted that your statement was incorrect (when it clearly was). You have in fact made an even more outrageous claim, that ' All Google developers have genius level IQs .
I suspect that even now you will not admit the error (why can't you just admit it? everyone makes mistakes). You will more likely ignore me/try to belittle me/make an even more outrageous claim/accuse me of 'hatred of america'
Regards
you are a peasant, and, clearly a stupid one.
bullshit, they dont only hire PhD's, and only a very small proportion of employees (although perhaps larger than most places) have genius level IQ. You seem unable to make accurate statements, is everything else that you say also inaccurate?
You are as ignorant as hell, and you cant even spell a simple word like amateur.
Yeah, like the Italian journalist whose car was shot up, or the thousands of Iraqi civillians killed by US bombs and troops, good job protecting the americans.
Ah yes, the famous good guy/bad guy factor. I'd say that one would stand up in a court of law allright...
I dont hate America, just the imbeciles that can't take any criticism of their country without resorting to accusing the offender of 'hatred of America'
Wankers like you are the reason that lots of people in civilised countries despise Americans.
By your logic, if Iraq had an atomic bomb, or powerful chemical/bio weapons, then they would have been justified in using those weapons to attack New York (which would be trivial).
All the servers on the internet, along with supercomputers, thin clients, embedded devices, mobile phones, and programmers workstations constitute a significant potential userbase.
I'd say Linus and the lads probably arent worried about the fact that 'Linux' is too difficult for you, thats up to the distros.Suse or Mandriva do enough hand holding for most non intellectually challenged users.
Man, you are pretty ignorant if you think the U.S. is going to make the middle east more democratic.
I dont expect anyone cares that you are so incompetent that you cant get any work done on a linux box. But don't assume that everyone is like you.
Well it would be of use to me, I couldn't care less if it wouldn't be of use to you, but it makes you look dumb to call it bullshit considering that I, and a bunch of other people have legitimate uses for it.
Thats great for you, it shouldn't bother you that other people will want to use it for other stuff though.
You could do lots of cool stuff running linux on one of these
Basically you can do (obviously) all the things you can do on linux that you cant do on windows, and (eventually when it is set up and stable) not have the thing crash, which I think is cool!
This was modded insightful?
How would pulling out of the market help the people of China?