I resent that. I really want to use a computer, really enjoy using a computer, and generally prefer to use windows. Most of the problem with you zealots is you seem to think that people who prefer windows are idiots. No. People who would prefer linux but don't know how to migrate are idiots. People like me, who have a Windows machine and a Linux machine on a KVM right next to each other in the living room, but yet spend less than 2% of their time on Linux can not be shoveled into the same category. The fact that you state something like that as a genuine feeling, and that alot of your "collegues" would as well, proves the point. Zealots are generally condescending, arrogant, presumptuous, overbearing and assinine, and if you, any of you, for one second had your finger on the true pulse of the full world of computing, perhaps you would realise you are, in fact, the cause of the long, slow death of truly wonderful open source platforms and software.
They don't mean that they are going to open anything up. They seem to simply be trying to open some dialogs, interchange some ideas, and generally try to make a more peaceful "consumer market". Half the reason it won't work can be explained quite easily in the way Slashbill tags things like this. The OSS is so engrossed in their idea, displayed through attitude, that corporations are evil, that they actually hide from everything that they try to do. This, fellas, is your chance to change your thinking about Windows and Microsoft altogether. It's a bloody fucking shame that all the lips will most probably be too busy flapping about how terrible the idea is to realise how wonderful it could be.
Kind of like that fucking cat I have that, even if I try to pet it, it acts like I'm trying to kick it's ass and it runs away and hides.
huh? Why would that make any monopolies? Intel makes graphics chips right now. AMD does not. It would be nice if they did. If they consume ATI and rebrand their products, then so be it. Who cares.
If you throw enough money at any investigation into any company that manufactures more than a few hundred thousand of anything I'm sure you'll stumble on some sort of unsavory actions, which, just happen to be the un-healthy byproduct of doing business in countries where these sort of work conditions are normal, but seem utterly obscene to us.
Ah, half their pay goes to housing and food supply!"
So fucking what, so does half of my pay go to rent and food. I could only wish my place of employment provided me with housing and food, it would be 2 less thing I would have to worry about.
I still think alot of these issues, in their thousands of page long descriptions tend to bloat the situation. Add that to the fact that the people voting on these issues most likely have no idea what's going on. Most senators look like grandparent for god sake, these are the people that you have to go over to their houses to help them learn how to use email.
Bottom line: Come up with a way for people to pay for what they use, right down to the end user. High speed internet companies have been engaged in assinine billing techniques for a while now, and it's time for it to stop. Why don't they tier that instead? If you are one of those pensioners who checks their e-mail and surfs a few sites (1 gb/month or less) you pay $4.99/month. Average teenager, myspace whore, sends pictures of yourself to everybody, downloads music (10gb/month) you pay $19.99/month. User who downloads tons of porn, music, habitually downloads crap that takes all night, has a couple of servers at home with 3 or 4 terabytes of software and music..YOU ARE THE FUCKER who should be paying $89.99-$149.99/month for your crap. Or more. Pay for what you use!
If we're leaving out spammy sites from being counted for IIS, shouldn't we leave out spammy sites that count for Apache? While were at it, leave out the MILLIONS of PORN sites that HAVE to be ran on Apache, because 99% of the major payment processors need to use.htaccess files, along with the payment gateway's CGI scripts to update user information when sombody signs up. Shouldn't that fit into "being counted unfairly", simply because PORN hosts are too lazy to use something cross-platform? Seriously, do some research, call some porn credit card processing companies and ask (iBill, CCBill, Paycom) and ask them which hosting platform they support.
I really don't care which is the winner here, I just don't like un-fairness. Im not trying to be shitty, I'm asking a legit question here. Let Apache loose some market share, then you might have a reason for your hearts to bleed.
Ditch the hard drive completely. Plug this into a UPS by itself and you've got the safest, fastest drive. Period. Imagine how long this would last if it was the only thing plugged into a 1000 va UPS? Spend the time you save doing a weekly backup to a couple of DVD's and you're done.
Wow, you should know better than to post any articles around the Slashbill crowd that say anything positive about anything that has to do with Microsoft or Windows.
And, I reserve the right to not be discriminated against by Linux zealots with a few mod points to prove something with. I get mod points too, and somehow I can manage to contain myself.
The more breathing room we give them as a company, and the less people target them, focusing law suits related to searching, with the only reason they sue google being they are the most recognizable, then the less likely they are to become "evil". We sue them into the ground, then it becomes news when they turtle?
It's ok, you sound like the majority of people around here. Good thing is, you haven't fully convinced yourself yet that it "sucks" and you are still able to admit that "you want it to suck" which is based on parameters that usually don't affect product quality, and when they do, it's usually for the negative. Hate on me all you want. Open source is always going to be a tiny little sliver of the market, simply because it really isn't marketed. Funny, how the word market is in marketed. The driving forces are all different for creating a great operating environment. Windows devs have to develop for regular people. Most of the applications that are available for the various Linux distros are written to be functional, but only to like minded people. All you have to do to realise that most *nix's aren't end user centric, is look at the current top 10 most popular projects on freshmeat.
Oh, and you started being an idealist the minute you realised "Hey, I'm suddenly awash in feelings of superiority and self worth! Look what I can do that most users can't!" The sad part is, in order for your ideals to spread, the very reason you feel like an "idealist" needs to change. Most people need to be able to use your fucking operating system, not just the slashbill crowd.
I'm all for giving Vista a chance. I'm one of the people that think if there were no such thing as dishonest people, and no such thing as viruses, most Windows OS's would be superior to most of what's out there. I know, that's dangerous to say on Slashbill, err, I mean Slashdot, but there it is.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I really really wish people would stop acting like the beta is finished code, and complaining about it. A simple "Sheesh, I hope they change / fix that!" turns into " Omfg look at that crap they put in there! were all doomed!"
I really need to stop trying to play the devil's advocate around here, fucking holier then thou zealots are going to kill my karma.
You know, it's fucking funny listning to people piss and moan about windows requirements, when a game they bought a year ago said the same thing on the box. Why won't people understand that most of the requirements of Vista, as far as hardware goes, is simply due to the gui changes. Congradulations retards, you are successfully complaining about Windows having the possibility of using all that gaming hardware you all have. If you don't have the "recommended" (read Aero UI Capable) then the system turns it off automatically during install, and you are left with...
What looks like Windows 2000/xp with most of the changes below the skin.
which, ironically should, but doesn't, shut all the other "we would rather have had patches and fixes for XP" people up. I give up, I really give up. The "advanced" user crowd is impossible. They are either completely misinformed, or completely jaded. Aren't there any people left capable of being objective at all? FFS!
I really really wish people would stop complaining about Vista already. It's starting to occupy too much front page space on Slashdot.
Seriously. It's beta code, which, unlike what seems to be popular opinion from the local group of Linux zealots, means it just happens to be un-finished code.
The only thing this article proves is that Microsoft is entirely not picky enough on who gets to be part of MSDN.
This is great, it seems like there is finally an overview of what you can expect to find, in a 5000% improved state in the final version. Personally, I'm looking forward to it.
Oh, and a side comment about the whole mothers et al installing windows / installing Linux.
To install Windows, you need the following:
Knowledge of the nearest retail store / Internet store.
A credit card, or some cash.
A car to get the new computer home.
To install Linux you need the following:
Knowledge of the nearest retail store / Internet store.
A credit card, or some cash.
A car to get the new computer home.
A high speed internet connection (unless you want to pay for it, or wait weeks for Ubuntu disks.)
Knowledge of distributions, where to download one.
Know the difference between i386, IA64, etc etc.
Blank CD's (Unless you're waiting for ubuntu.)
A cd Burner (Unless you're still waiting.)
Knowledge of how to burn a CD (Or keep waiting.)
Knowledge of how to instruct your computer to boot from said CD. (unless it's default.)
Following (usually) simple instructions.
Obviously, the Linux list stops there because I am assuming a very rare "trouble free, all hardware works 100% of manufacturer's intention install."
Basically the point im making here is..it is completely idiotic and a waste of time to discuss the ease of installation between Windows and Linux. 99.999% of Linux installs are done by the user. The exact inverse is true of Windows.
Let's hope all their server's run free software. I wouldn't put it past them to vengfully do something like this and then "Al Capone" the owners with a law suit over a $20 peice of warez on their server and sue them into the ground over it.
If the purpose is to limit spam, why don't they just do somthing like, a $5 surcharge on SMS messages sent to a person who isn't on their list. Set up SMS like an instant messager program.
1.) Can I be on your list?*free*
2.) No, go away.*free*
3.) Aww, you sure?* $5
Big business (in this case I include the government) isn't going to be happy until the content you get on your computer is pretty much a carbon copy of what you currently get from your TV.
Think about it for a minute, using the last 5-10 years of computer related news as mental fuel.
Compared to some of the things I've seen computers leave the factory installed with, this is hardly a news worthy turn of events. But then again, everybody else is attacking Google, Slashdot may as well too. Say, aren't we due for a good Microsoft attacking again? It's funny, a hundred years ago all you had to do to get hung is be black, now all you have to do is be sucsessful.
I think alot of the trouble comes from too many people that hang out here who code in their basement and don't get paid for it (and justify it by violently defending everything open source no matter how feature deprived or unsupported it might be.) And, in some extreme cases are the very people responsible for discovering and exploiting security holes and developping trojans and backdoors.
You can save the arguments about evil empires and how wonderful open source is blah blah, add nauseum. Some people that try to read these commentaries objectively have a hard time doing it, I'm sure. Especially people who don't let a company's net worth define how they feel about their software.
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It's easier to hate in writing. Keeps out the department of redundancy department commentary when there are this many issues with usability.
Your attitudes are suicidal.
Kind of like that fucking cat I have that, even if I try to pet it, it acts like I'm trying to kick it's ass and it runs away and hides.
Why don't you just write something better than MAPI, Active Directory, TNEF, the botched Kerberos and .net?
Sorry, meant to reply to Viriatus.
huh? Why would that make any monopolies? Intel makes graphics chips right now. AMD does not. It would be nice if they did. If they consume ATI and rebrand their products, then so be it. Who cares.
Ah, half their pay goes to housing and food supply!"
So fucking what, so does half of my pay go to rent and food. I could only wish my place of employment provided me with housing and food, it would be 2 less thing I would have to worry about.
Bottom line: Come up with a way for people to pay for what they use, right down to the end user. High speed internet companies have been engaged in assinine billing techniques for a while now, and it's time for it to stop. Why don't they tier that instead? If you are one of those pensioners who checks their e-mail and surfs a few sites (1 gb/month or less) you pay $4.99/month. Average teenager, myspace whore, sends pictures of yourself to everybody, downloads music (10gb/month) you pay $19.99/month. User who downloads tons of porn, music, habitually downloads crap that takes all night, has a couple of servers at home with 3 or 4 terabytes of software and music..YOU ARE THE FUCKER who should be paying $89.99-$149.99/month for your crap. Or more. Pay for what you use!
I really don't care which is the winner here, I just don't like un-fairness. Im not trying to be shitty, I'm asking a legit question here. Let Apache loose some market share, then you might have a reason for your hearts to bleed.
http://www.ddrdrive.com/ddrdrive_prototype.html
Ditch the hard drive completely. Plug this into a UPS by itself and you've got the safest, fastest drive. Period. Imagine how long this would last if it was the only thing plugged into a 1000 va UPS? Spend the time you save doing a weekly backup to a couple of DVD's and you're done.
And, I reserve the right to not be discriminated against by Linux zealots with a few mod points to prove something with. I get mod points too, and somehow I can manage to contain myself.
The more breathing room we give them as a company, and the less people target them, focusing law suits related to searching, with the only reason they sue google being they are the most recognizable, then the less likely they are to become "evil". We sue them into the ground, then it becomes news when they turtle?
What does that say about linux when all you have to do to be impressive is "use" it?
Oh, and you started being an idealist the minute you realised "Hey, I'm suddenly awash in feelings of superiority and self worth! Look what I can do that most users can't!" The sad part is, in order for your ideals to spread, the very reason you feel like an "idealist" needs to change. Most people need to be able to use your fucking operating system, not just the slashbill crowd.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I really really wish people would stop acting like the beta is finished code, and complaining about it. A simple "Sheesh, I hope they change / fix that!" turns into " Omfg look at that crap they put in there! were all doomed!"
I really need to stop trying to play the devil's advocate around here, fucking holier then thou zealots are going to kill my karma.
What looks like Windows 2000/xp with most of the changes below the skin.
which, ironically should, but doesn't, shut all the other "we would rather have had patches and fixes for XP" people up. I give up, I really give up. The "advanced" user crowd is impossible. They are either completely misinformed, or completely jaded. Aren't there any people left capable of being objective at all? FFS!
Seriously. It's beta code, which, unlike what seems to be popular opinion from the local group of Linux zealots, means it just happens to be un-finished code.
The only thing this article proves is that Microsoft is entirely not picky enough on who gets to be part of MSDN.
Just because all it does is download porn, doesnt mean that it couldnt download a shell script that wipes out the MBR on your hard disk.
Oh, and a side comment about the whole mothers et al installing windows / installing Linux.
To install Windows, you need the following:
To install Linux you need the following:
Obviously, the Linux list stops there because I am assuming a very rare "trouble free, all hardware works 100% of manufacturer's intention install." Basically the point im making here is..it is completely idiotic and a waste of time to discuss the ease of installation between Windows and Linux. 99.999% of Linux installs are done by the user. The exact inverse is true of Windows.
Gentlemen, start your checkbooks!
Let's hope all their server's run free software. I wouldn't put it past them to vengfully do something like this and then "Al Capone" the owners with a law suit over a $20 peice of warez on their server and sue them into the ground over it.
Oh well, I can't complain, I didn't try.
1.) Can I be on your list?*free*
2.) No, go away.*free*
3.) Aww, you sure?* $5
Think about it for a minute, using the last 5-10 years of computer related news as mental fuel.
I think alot of the trouble comes from too many people that hang out here who code in their basement and don't get paid for it (and justify it by violently defending everything open source no matter how feature deprived or unsupported it might be.) And, in some extreme cases are the very people responsible for discovering and exploiting security holes and developping trojans and backdoors.
You can save the arguments about evil empires and how wonderful open source is blah blah, add nauseum. Some people that try to read these commentaries objectively have a hard time doing it, I'm sure. Especially people who don't let a company's net worth define how they feel about their software.