The point is to die openly and with dignity. You can tell people you're going to do it. You can arrange things legally. You can say goodbye. They might even want to hold your hand or be in the next room when you do it.
It's completely different than letting somebody come home to a dead body or get a phone call from the police because the neighbors are complaining about a bad smell...
That's only true if you've only read a subset of the literature.
Surprise! The man who demands citations at every turn is an arm-waver who never provides any actual information in any post...
Say, you wouldn't happen to have a number that expresses what percent of CO2 man is responsible for would you? That should be easy to get if we know so much about CO2 now.
You want hard numbers? Humans are putting about 29,000 billion tons of CO2 into the air each year. I'm not sure which way that will influence public opinion but in reality it is quite a big number. Even compared to 5,000,000 billion.
There's a thing called 'balance', it doesn't always take a big change to upset it.
There's a well-known story about straws and camel's backs. A straw doesn't weight much, but it can be enough...
I think a bigger problem is that the surface area of an 'airliner' can never provide enough energy to keep it in the air even with 100% conversion efficiency at noon.
Blimps might work, but they're slow and helium supply is a problem.
Hydrogen is too scary for passenger blimps. People wouldn't like them even if they had ejectors and parachutes.
The result of Google not listing them might be pretty bad, but having Google continuing to list them and have people bypass the site in favor of the snippet is probably worse.
They always have to option of making their site so compelling that people will bypass google when they want news and go directly to them.
Oh, wait, they want cake and cake.
This is almost as pathetic as when Telefonica here in Spain wanted Youtube to pay them for transporting all that data to the users - because Youtube was using their cables to do it. Such logic is irrefutable! Not.
Most atheists, at least on the internet, are insulting towards religious people.
We're also insulting towards UFO believers, people who believe in the Loch Ness monster, alternative medicine, etc.
What is is about insulting religion that bothers you so much? Explain why it deserves special respect.
Why do we insult? Reasons vary but my experience has shown it's the only way forward. An angry Christian will go home and check his facts and belief system in an attempt to destroy the next Atheist who comes along. Hopefully he'll find out he can't do it because everything the Atheist said was supported by facts/evidence and that creates a chink in his armor.
It's a slow, painful, noisy process but it's the only one that works. Restrained debate is what they want because it allows them to continue chanting, "Teach the controversy!". Don't give it to them...
Well, I'm a Christian and believe in sola scriptura, and I can go toe to toe with your arguments. I know I'll get belittled and modden down for this, but here goes. First, Jesus doesn't say to give away all your possesions.
nb. He's addressing a crowd of people there, not a single rich man.
Second, I'm not sure what problem you have with Exodus 34. God punishes people, some to an earlier death than they would have via "natural" causes. God sometimes uses people to punish other people.
The problem is... you haven't read it. It's to do with the Ten Commandments, nothing to do with punishment or death.
With Jesus being the fulfillment, the law is put aside, not abolished, and we now have a new law...
Verse 18: "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law..."
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Cellars fill with water.
Strange how the roaches vanish when the pesky facts appear...eh?
You're missing the point.
The point is to die openly and with dignity. You can tell people you're going to do it. You can arrange things legally. You can say goodbye. They might even want to hold your hand or be in the next room when you do it.
It's completely different than letting somebody come home to a dead body or get a phone call from the police because the neighbors are complaining about a bad smell...
That's only true if you've only read a subset of the literature.
Surprise! The man who demands citations at every turn is an arm-waver who never provides any actual information in any post...
Say, you wouldn't happen to have a number that expresses what percent of CO2 man is responsible for would you? That should be easy to get if we know so much about CO2 now.
Here ya go: http://www.skepticalscience.com/human-co2-smaller-than-natural-emissions.htm
Are you incapable of typing something like "how much co2 do humans put in the air every year" into google?
Is peeper sauce made with peeps?
You want hard numbers? Humans are putting about 29,000 billion tons of CO2 into the air each year. I'm not sure which way that will influence public opinion but in reality it is quite a big number. Even compared to 5,000,000 billion.
There's a thing called 'balance', it doesn't always take a big change to upset it.
There's a well-known story about straws and camel's backs. A straw doesn't weight much, but it can be enough...
"Natural" doesn't mean "spontaneous". There's always a cause.
We've looked around and the only smoking gun anybody's come up with so far is atmospheric CO2 levels.
The question is: Where's all the extra CO2 coming from? Oh, that's right...
... if this is indeed a human-induced problem
I don't see anybody else dumping billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere year after year. ... and that "greenhouse" thing? It works.
Really, can you guys just stop? Seriously, have NONE of you ever read Peter and the Wolf?
I have. There was a wolf in it, it ate the little boy.
Crying wolf a bit too early doesn't mean there's no wolf out there.
The sun can replenish the energy of a hurricane in a matter of hours.
Climate change is just a communist plot. Don't buy into it! Tell them that that earth was just as warm two million years ago....
Weirdly enough, a lot of people don't see that as a problem.
So many of them, in fact, of them that the manufacturers don't have to worry about the people who do.
Clouds?
I think a bigger problem is that the surface area of an 'airliner' can never provide enough energy to keep it in the air even with 100% conversion efficiency at noon.
Blimps might work, but they're slow and helium supply is a problem.
Hydrogen is too scary for passenger blimps. People wouldn't like them even if they had ejectors and parachutes.
+1 Insightful.
In reality, the french web sites' advertising revenues are plummeting because nobody's clicking through off Google's site.
You're saying they'd get more page views if Google didn't list them...?
I think not.
The result of Google not listing them might be pretty bad, but having Google continuing to list them and have people bypass the site in favor of the snippet is probably worse.
They always have to option of making their site so compelling that people will bypass google when they want news and go directly to them.
Oh, wait, they want cake and cake.
This is almost as pathetic as when Telefonica here in Spain wanted Youtube to pay them for transporting all that data to the users - because Youtube was using their cables to do it. Such logic is irrefutable! Not.
I wonder if they've ever heard of "robots.txt"?
Last I heard, Google was honoring it....
Most atheists, at least on the internet, are insulting towards religious people.
We're also insulting towards UFO believers, people who believe in the Loch Ness monster, alternative medicine, etc.
What is is about insulting religion that bothers you so much? Explain why it deserves special respect.
Why do we insult? Reasons vary but my experience has shown it's the only way forward. An angry Christian will go home and check his facts and belief system in an attempt to destroy the next Atheist who comes along. Hopefully he'll find out he can't do it because everything the Atheist said was supported by facts/evidence and that creates a chink in his armor.
It's a slow, painful, noisy process but it's the only one that works. Restrained debate is what they want because it allows them to continue chanting, "Teach the controversy!". Don't give it to them...
Also...there's a lot of pesky facts to support it. Fossil records, genomes, etc.
Evidence for creationism? Not so much.
Will we get the same sensationalist headlines when nothing happens?
"The plants performed as designed! No meltdown!!!"
The way I read it he's saying "no luxury goods".
If you disagree then you're putting your personal comfort ahead of his teachings.
You're joking, right?
Sort of.
An awful lot of the bickering you mention is over stupid stuff like whether pushing an elevator button on the Sabbath counts as "work" or not.
ie. They're not questioning the commandment about keeping the Sabbath, they're arguing over how literally to apply it.
At least they make an effort to obey the rules in the Bible.
...and it's WAY more provable. Pesky reproducible facts like fossil records, DNA, the genome project etc.
Well, I'm a Christian and believe in sola scriptura, and I can go toe to toe with your arguments. I know I'll get belittled and modden down for this, but here goes. First, Jesus doesn't say to give away all your possesions.
Yes he does.
nb. He's addressing a crowd of people there, not a single rich man.
Second, I'm not sure what problem you have with Exodus 34. God punishes people, some to an earlier death than they would have via "natural" causes. God sometimes uses people to punish other people.
The problem is ... you haven't read it. It's to do with the Ten Commandments, nothing to do with punishment or death.
With Jesus being the fulfillment, the law is put aside, not abolished, and we now have a new law...
Verse 18: "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law..."