(a) Not all chemicals are the same and not all chemicals that we use today were found in nature in the past or found in nature in the same abundance that we have today
What does nature have to do with it? Nature is full of amazing toxins. I'd love to take a few natureopaths down to the jungle and get them to eat pretty plants at random. It's all "natural", right....?
b) Don't know much about copper sulfate myself except that it's mainly used in rice production (limted to once every 2 years) and can't be used as an herbicide in organic farming.
Nope. It's widely used under the name "Bordeaux mixture" and is approved for 'organic' farming.
Huh? Copper sulphate is highly toxic. It's Chemistry 101...people even use it to commit suicide (a couple of grams is a lethal dose).
Plue: The strip mines where they dig it out of the ground are usually ecological disasters and it easily washes into the water system. It's doubleplus ungood from an ecological point of view but widely used in "organic" farming.
Yep. 99% of the flavor of a tomato is whether it was picked when it was red on the plant or picked when it was green then ripened in a truck on the way to the store.
You can try it at home if you have plants. Pick a green one and ripen it on a window ledge. When it's nice and red pick a red one off the plant and compare the flavor. Remember, these are from the exact same plant...
Taste has very little to do with organic vs. inorganic and an awful lot to do with how it spent its last few hours. Stuff which ripens fast then goes mushy (bananas, tomatoes, strawberries...) is very susceptible to this.
I've always thought that people who eat organic food for health reasons do so to avoid ingesting pesticide residue, not because they think organic food is more nutritious.
Thing is: The "organic" label is meaningless. It doesn't mean "pesticide free".
In most places the "organic" farmers are allowed to use anything that's found in nature, including the stuff that kills insects. So long as it wasn't made in a laboratory they can use it.
Plus the strip mines where they dig out stuff like copper sulphate ( a common organic pesticide) are environmental disasters in their own right. The copper sulphate also washes into the water system, poisoning everything in it - double whammy.
Bottom line: Organic foods is bullshit worthy of an episode of Penn and Teller.
Organic food has plentyofpesticidestoo. Most of them are worse than the synthetic ones.
Pesticide free...? Nature has its own pesticides. Many plants, especially fruit trees, produce their own pesticides when attacked by insects. These pesticides are *inside* the fruit and can be very toxic. You can prevent their formation (ie. make the fruit less toxic) by applying artificial pesticides when the insects appear.
b) Some of the traditional "organic" chemicals are really really bad, much worse than the modern ones. eg. copper salts as pesticides - quite common among organic farmers.
c) There's no certification or control of what is/isn't organic. Mostly it's just colored stickers on things to increase their retail price. If you dig deeper the stickers mean nothing. It's just people meeting a demand for hipster food with high smugness pricing&labeling.
Why don't they like it? Maybe I am dense, but I don't see why they should care one way or the other.
The taxi business is a mafia, they want all calls to go through their call centers to keep control over the drivers and so the drivers have to pay their dues.
If you let calls go through the Internet the call centers aren't needed. Before you know it the drivers will become independent and the call centers won't get their cut - bad!!
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(a) Not all chemicals are the same and not all chemicals that we use today were found in nature in the past or found in nature in the same abundance that we have today
What does nature have to do with it? Nature is full of amazing toxins. I'd love to take a few natureopaths down to the jungle and get them to eat pretty plants at random. It's all "natural", right....?
Isn't science amazing?
As a fungicide, but yeah...it's used a lot by organic farmers.
b) Don't know much about copper sulfate myself except that it's mainly used in rice production (limted to once every 2 years) and can't be used as an herbicide in organic farming.
Nope. It's widely used under the name "Bordeaux mixture" and is approved for 'organic' farming.
Most Joce640ks don't cite evidence
And anonymous cowards always do...?
Organic foods is bullshit worthy of an episode of Penn and Teller.
...which they've actually done
Huh? Copper sulphate is highly toxic. It's Chemistry 101...people even use it to commit suicide (a couple of grams is a lethal dose).
Plue: The strip mines where they dig it out of the ground are usually ecological disasters and it easily washes into the water system. It's doubleplus ungood from an ecological point of view but widely used in "organic" farming.
Yes. Organic food is not sprayed with pesticides. Hence, it contains no pesticide residue.
Simply not true.
Yep. 99% of the flavor of a tomato is whether it was picked when it was red on the plant or picked when it was green then ripened in a truck on the way to the store.
You can try it at home if you have plants. Pick a green one and ripen it on a window ledge. When it's nice and red pick a red one off the plant and compare the flavor. Remember, these are from the exact same plant...
Taste has very little to do with organic vs. inorganic and an awful lot to do with how it spent its last few hours. Stuff which ripens fast then goes mushy (bananas, tomatoes, strawberries...) is very susceptible to this.
Google for "Organic vs Inorganic Taste Test" then select "videos"...eg this one
try supporting local growers, the 3-5 that still survive.
This.
I've always thought that people who eat organic food for health reasons do so to avoid ingesting pesticide residue, not because they think organic food is more nutritious.
Thing is: The "organic" label is meaningless. It doesn't mean "pesticide free".
In most places the "organic" farmers are allowed to use anything that's found in nature, including the stuff that kills insects. So long as it wasn't made in a laboratory they can use it.
Guess what? Nature is full of nasty poisons. Most of the natural pesticides are worse than the artificial ones.
Plus the strip mines where they dig out stuff like copper sulphate ( a common organic pesticide) are environmental disasters in their own right. The copper sulphate also washes into the water system, poisoning everything in it - double whammy.
Bottom line: Organic foods is bullshit worthy of an episode of Penn and Teller.
Organic food has plenty of pesticides too. Most of them are worse than the synthetic ones.
Pesticide free...? Nature has its own pesticides. Many plants, especially fruit trees, produce their own pesticides when attacked by insects. These pesticides are *inside* the fruit and can be very toxic. You can prevent their formation (ie. make the fruit less toxic) by applying artificial pesticides when the insects appear.
Do you post A/C because you know you're wrong or is there some other reason?
Thing is:
a) Everything is made of "chemicals"
b) Some of the traditional "organic" chemicals are really really bad, much worse than the modern ones. eg. copper salts as pesticides - quite common among organic farmers.
c) There's no certification or control of what is/isn't organic. Mostly it's just colored stickers on things to increase their retail price. If you dig deeper the stickers mean nothing. It's just people meeting a demand for hipster food with high smugness pricing&labeling.
Don't hold your breath.
Most health nuts don't read studies, they rely on their gut feelings plus whatever they hear that reinforces their beliefs.
Nope.
PS: The flavor of a tomato depends 99% on when it was picked, nothing more.
(Yes, we did the tomato-taste experiment at home...)
Why don't they like it? Maybe I am dense, but I don't see why they should care one way or the other.
The taxi business is a mafia, they want all calls to go through their call centers to keep control over the drivers and so the drivers have to pay their dues.
If you let calls go through the Internet the call centers aren't needed. Before you know it the drivers will become independent and the call centers won't get their cut - bad!!
Nobody mentioned music, you moron. This is for the sightseeing record, so that people know what to look for.
I'm not sure what a "sightseeing record" is but music was definitely mentioned.
People would know what to look for because the pilot has a voice.
If I'm a tourist going on a charter helicopter flight the last thing I want is an in flight entertainment system.
No, I don't even want music.
...or not have music.
"P5"...?
Your phone did not pop into existence by command of an almighty Creator. Instead,
Wrong...
I even know people who claim to have seen Steve Jobs in person. That proves he's real.
I have to admit I snorked my coke when I saw that the UK government was supposed to be an "upholder of web freedom".
The UK government is one of the most openly snoopy governments in the developed world. If that's what they do in public, what do they do in private?
I just googled "dutch mps" and most of the stories seemed to be the sort of thing I'd want my politicians to be doing.