file a bug.. duh? FF has never crashed on me so this may be a corner case. Might have something to do with your environment, vendor patches.. etc. Help them fix it!
What you would recommend then? Does SE or CIS somehow make you 'jump' up to the 'middle rung'? Are they really valued so much more than the apparently lowly CS majors who study what's actually happening and can hopefully apply that to any programming task, even those problems best-suited for a SE or CIS student? Or are you implying that programmers are no longer needed in the US; that the entry point to the field has been cut off? That seems bogus to me. I do not understand the implication of your post and would appreciate clarification.
The question is not whether they are pointers (of course they are) but whether == causes a method invokation or an address comparison. In this case, it seems the latter. The language might not call them pointers, but you can't really argue that they're not. Seems 'reference' is the trendy name nowadays for a pointer which is automagically dereferenced.
Ha. I've regained my faith in seemingly random useless courses. Thank you. I look forward to the apparently inevitable time when I will realize that such a class has helped me.
Yes, CS students do many things that don't seem all that useful at face value. A CS graduate isn't supposed to be your run-of-the mill programming drone. I like CS because its challenging and relevant to my interests. I don't think that many of the "real world programming tasks" are quite so challenging.
Do you think Neumann could have invented Mergesort without having mastered the other sorting algorithms of the time? Remember the whole maxim about 'standing on the shoulders of giants'? CS is the climb to that peak. Alternatives are like an airlift. When something larger comes along, who's in a better position?
btw, I was not asking a serious question, only posting my remarks. Linux is not linux quite often, which makes googling for problems quite a problem itself in my experience. FreeBSD is just plain FreeBSD. That I love: one system as a whole, not tens of dozes of systems that share more or less the same code-base.
[..a post or two..]
Wrong.
The point is that while all the *BSD share the same heritage, the code-base is different and unique for each flavor. Apart from the efforts by Debian, Gentoo et all, FreeBSD is just FreeBSD and NetBSD is just NetBSD etc. You choose the OS of your choice and off you go. All in one package.
You seem have observed that when looking for answers to problems using a Linux-based system, the answers may or may not work depending on which system you use. The observations themselves are not wrong, but your conclusion about their source is not very solid. What you are seeing is a social problem rather than a technical one. People obtain 'Linux' and then think they are running 'Linux', and then when things break they get help for 'Linux.' But, as you know, Linux is not an operating system and the problems they have are probably absolutely irrelevant to the kernel. Yet the tag 'Linux' is more often than not the software they attribute their problem too, thus asking support for it. Usually, a "oh, and I just happen to use xyz distribution" is added as a side note.
Fragmentation within the two communities is not the issue per se, it is how people see that fragmentation. You should never ask for support for your "Linux Operating System" because there is no such thing. Linux distributions and BSD flavors are both distributed in "unified packages" and differ wildly between one another. Also, most Linux distros don't use vanilla kernels, and it can be argued that, like BSD, they are just "derived" from the original (albeit they do snag upstream regularly rather than forking, a key but not really relevant difference). But the whole discussion about kernels is moot, because it simply does not pertain strongly to the problem you describe. If people would realize that Slackware != Gentoo != Debian != Fedora != SuSE, just like they realize that FreeBSD != OpenBSD != NetBSD, then Linux support would be in the same state as you seem to imply BSD's is.
Regarding distribution-specific docs, this can be problem, but does FreeBSD really rewrite all the docs so that there is no confusion? (for non freebsd-specific stuff, of course) That is a monumental task, and if they do then wow, great for FreeBSD users. I personally consider it a silly waste of time. With Debian we just have the upstream docs and README.Debian where the maintainer is *supposed* to document Debian-specific differences which would otherwise cause confusion.
Well this is no longer 'alignment alone.' I was referring to the fact that there is no bonus solely for having a certain alignment; alignment only determines the effect of certain actions. Your post does not refute this, it rather confirms it.
What the hell are the gentoo people doing to the kernel? The Debian kernel maintainers patch the kernel to fix bugs but it has never disrupted the stability of my system. I also use vanilla while the latest kernel isnt packaged yet so I've had my share of uptime with vanilla kernels as well. Does adding some bugs somehow better the 1337ness of gentoo?
Thats an interesting thought, but pretty dumb on the FSF's part if true. Sounds kind of fishy to me. Why would the FSF care about the welfare of a filesharing network? The hardcoded download/upload rate ratio is an incrediably naive way to encourage contribution. The way Bittorent works (the whole choak/snub/blah system) is far superior and doesn't depend on some misguided trust that all clients will enforce the ratio.
Regardless, the ed2k network has been around for ages. I'd prefer all you attention-grabbing movie pirates go somewhere else rather than making ed2k the next target of the MPAA. The ed2k client/server model is much more centralized than bittorent, so it is naturally unsuited to low-profile filesharing. Instead of tracking down any one of the million tiny bittorent trackers they would just need to connect to one of the public ed2k servers for a list of files being shared. In short, it is much _easier_ for them to find you here. You made the wrong choice. Go away.
You forgot to mention that crime is quite stupid, a fact which may also be used to support your theory. Someone who is very intelligent has little need to commit most crimes.
or, if you really want to cut down the steps, just reboot. GRUB configuration is only for convenience, it is completely unnecessary; you can do everything without it. Try that with LILO.
Sadly this is true. People don't choose Windows, they choose a computer and Windows happens to come with it. Windows is "thrust upon them" as it were. At least this is the case for the majority. I'm sure some people choose Windows. Sad, pathetic people.
Exactly. How many people have you asked 'What operating system do you use?' only to hear 'Dell' or 'HP.' People only see mention of 'Microsoft Windows' in the bootsplash, and even then they aren't paying attention.
Who cares? Linus isn't trying to sell Linux anyway. When you 'buy' a cd set of a good distro you are only paying for the cost to produce and stock those cds, not for Linux. Enterprise distros are different, but they serve very different needs.
Yes, and when Linux fully supports DRM, we will see some great kernel patches which disable the restrictions DRM support places on the OS while still allowing usage of DRM content. They seem to be working on DRM for Linux, though I'm not really sure how its coming.
You can't just 'remove' your bootloader. You have to replace it with something else, namely the windows bootloader.
Run your XP cd and choose 'recovery console' then just type FIXMBR [ENTER] FIXBOOT [ENTER]. After this GRUB will be gone and you will not be able to boot Linux.
Neither Windows nor Linux can 'uninstall' themselves. You uninstall them by blanking the partition they live on. So once in windows, format your linux partition as NTFS or FAT32 so you can use it with windows. If it's on the same drive as your Windows partition, you could also remove the partition use a partition resizing tool to 'grow' your Windows partition to the full disk size.
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file a bug.. duh? FF has never crashed on me so this may be a corner case. Might have something to do with your environment, vendor patches.. etc. Help them fix it!
Yes. Because its a half-assed bandaid to hide the real problem
Yes, the OS establishment churns out crap!
..honest!
All hail GNU/Hurd. It's the future!
Ah, gotcha. I did think you were questioning the usefulness of CS. Thanks for the clarification.
What you would recommend then? Does SE or CIS somehow make you 'jump' up to the 'middle rung'? Are they really valued so much more than the apparently lowly CS majors who study what's actually happening and can hopefully apply that to any programming task, even those problems best-suited for a SE or CIS student? Or are you implying that programmers are no longer needed in the US; that the entry point to the field has been cut off? That seems bogus to me. I do not understand the implication of your post and would appreciate clarification.
The question is not whether they are pointers (of course they are) but whether == causes a method invokation or an address comparison. In this case, it seems the latter. The language might not call them pointers, but you can't really argue that they're not. Seems 'reference' is the trendy name nowadays for a pointer which is automagically dereferenced.
Ha. I've regained my faith in seemingly random useless courses. Thank you. I look forward to the apparently inevitable time when I will realize that such a class has helped me.
Yes, CS students do many things that don't seem all that useful at face value. A CS graduate isn't supposed to be your run-of-the mill programming drone. I like CS because its challenging and relevant to my interests. I don't think that many of the "real world programming tasks" are quite so challenging.
Do you think Neumann could have invented Mergesort without having mastered the other sorting algorithms of the time? Remember the whole maxim about 'standing on the shoulders of giants'? CS is the climb to that peak. Alternatives are like an airlift. When something larger comes along, who's in a better position?
btw, I was not asking a serious question, only posting my remarks. Linux is not linux quite often, which makes googling for problems quite a problem itself in my experience. FreeBSD is just plain FreeBSD. That I love: one system as a whole, not tens of dozes of systems that share more or less the same code-base.
[..a post or two..]
Wrong.
The point is that while all the *BSD share the same heritage, the code-base is different and unique for each flavor. Apart from the efforts by Debian, Gentoo et all, FreeBSD is just FreeBSD and NetBSD is just NetBSD etc. You choose the OS of your choice and off you go. All in one package.
You seem have observed that when looking for answers to problems using a Linux-based system, the answers may or may not work depending on which system you use. The observations themselves are not wrong, but your conclusion about their source is not very solid. What you are seeing is a social problem rather than a technical one. People obtain 'Linux' and then think they are running 'Linux', and then when things break they get help for 'Linux.' But, as you know, Linux is not an operating system and the problems they have are probably absolutely irrelevant to the kernel. Yet the tag 'Linux' is more often than not the software they attribute their problem too, thus asking support for it. Usually, a "oh, and I just happen to use xyz distribution" is added as a side note.
Fragmentation within the two communities is not the issue per se, it is how people see that fragmentation. You should never ask for support for your "Linux Operating System" because there is no such thing. Linux distributions and BSD flavors are both distributed in "unified packages" and differ wildly between one another. Also, most Linux distros don't use vanilla kernels, and it can be argued that, like BSD, they are just "derived" from the original (albeit they do snag upstream regularly rather than forking, a key but not really relevant difference). But the whole discussion about kernels is moot, because it simply does not pertain strongly to the problem you describe. If people would realize that Slackware != Gentoo != Debian != Fedora != SuSE, just like they realize that FreeBSD != OpenBSD != NetBSD, then Linux support would be in the same state as you seem to imply BSD's is.
Regarding distribution-specific docs, this can be problem, but does FreeBSD really rewrite all the docs so that there is no confusion? (for non freebsd-specific stuff, of course) That is a monumental task, and if they do then wow, great for FreeBSD users. I personally consider it a silly waste of time. With Debian we just have the upstream docs and README.Debian where the maintainer is *supposed* to document Debian-specific differences which would otherwise cause confusion.
Stop optimizing other peoples' scripts by fighting cat overuse!
We love cat and wont give it up! I never type a command without it!
ls | cat
Sounds like Microsoft, anyone?
But really... have you tried it? PgSQL tries to be compatible (except when dealing with decidedly 'broken' behavior) with MySQL, I think.
Lets compromise: Turn-based FPS.
Well this is no longer 'alignment alone.' I was referring to the fact that there is no bonus solely for having a certain alignment; alignment only determines the effect of certain actions. Your post does not refute this, it rather confirms it.
What the hell are the gentoo people doing to the kernel? The Debian kernel maintainers patch the kernel to fix bugs but it has never disrupted the stability of my system. I also use vanilla while the latest kernel isnt packaged yet so I've had my share of uptime with vanilla kernels as well. Does adding some bugs somehow better the 1337ness of gentoo?
This is an LFS user. Hassle is desirable. So yea, he definately needs it.
Thats an interesting thought, but pretty dumb on the FSF's part if true. Sounds kind of fishy to me. Why would the FSF care about the welfare of a filesharing network? The hardcoded download/upload rate ratio is an incrediably naive way to encourage contribution. The way Bittorent works (the whole choak/snub/blah system) is far superior and doesn't depend on some misguided trust that all clients will enforce the ratio.
Regardless, the ed2k network has been around for ages. I'd prefer all you attention-grabbing movie pirates go somewhere else rather than making ed2k the next target of the MPAA. The ed2k client/server model is much more centralized than bittorent, so it is naturally unsuited to low-profile filesharing. Instead of tracking down any one of the million tiny bittorent trackers they would just need to connect to one of the public ed2k servers for a list of files being shared. In short, it is much _easier_ for them to find you here. You made the wrong choice. Go away.
hah! great game that. I dunno how alignment alone becomes a +/- thing tho.
You forgot to mention that crime is quite stupid, a fact which may also be used to support your theory. Someone who is very intelligent has little need to commit most crimes.
nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
reboot
or, if you really want to cut down the steps, just reboot. GRUB configuration is only for convenience, it is completely unnecessary; you can do everything without it. Try that with LILO.
Yes, you are right, that code executes NTLDR. I knew this too, as GRUB does not read the filesystem.
Thanks for the correction.
Sadly this is true. People don't choose Windows, they choose a computer and Windows happens to come with it. Windows is "thrust upon them" as it were. At least this is the case for the majority. I'm sure some people choose Windows. Sad, pathetic people.
Exactly. How many people have you asked 'What operating system do you use?' only to hear 'Dell' or 'HP.' People only see mention of 'Microsoft Windows' in the bootsplash, and even then they aren't paying attention.
Who cares? Linus isn't trying to sell Linux anyway. When you 'buy' a cd set of a good distro you are only paying for the cost to produce and stock those cds, not for Linux. Enterprise distros are different, but they serve very different needs.
Yes, and when Linux fully supports DRM, we will see some great kernel patches which disable the restrictions DRM support places on the OS while still allowing usage of DRM content. They seem to be working on DRM for Linux, though I'm not really sure how its coming.
You can't just 'remove' your bootloader. You have to replace it with something else, namely the windows bootloader.
Run your XP cd and choose 'recovery console' then just type FIXMBR [ENTER] FIXBOOT [ENTER]. After this GRUB will be gone and you will not be able to boot Linux.
Neither Windows nor Linux can 'uninstall' themselves. You uninstall them by blanking the partition they live on. So once in windows, format your linux partition as NTFS or FAT32 so you can use it with windows. If it's on the same drive as your Windows partition, you could also remove the partition use a partition resizing tool to 'grow' your Windows partition to the full disk size.