You didn't read it right. I setup for the highest optimization possible with GCC and cut down the code a lot. It was way over 3M to somewhere around 3.8M, perhaps a bit higher. I cut it down to about 2.8M after I found out how to strip the debugging off.
It looks like this one would link with winblows and IBM's object files. This is what seems to be implied in the short doc. They do have a conversion program so you can use the Microsoft SDK with Borland C++ compiler.
>With GCC you get a lot more optimizations and a >lot more active development of the product.
What have you been sniffing?
I did some comparisions with my program compiled with GCC and with Borland C++ 5.5
I had normal optimization with Borland and highest optimization with GCC. I also compiled with Visual Age for C++ with normal Optimization.
Size with GCC : 2.82M Size with Borland : 1.18M Size with IBM : 1.25M
The code with Borland is also slightly faster than that of IBM and GCC code, GCC having the slowest code and Borland the fastest.
My only complaint now that I figured out which flags to use is that it doesn't support long long.
>With Borland 5.5 you only have Corel/Inprise >developing it. Borland claims their 5.5 compiles >code faster than GCC and their product does have >precompiled headers.
All true. It is fast, it will be great to use for Linux if it is just as good as the winblows version. It'll be great when the C++ builder and Delphi comes out as well.
It would be a better translation of the blue screen of death of Microsoft.
Apparently there are more than 33k known bugs.
As for the NSA being in Control of Microsoft and IBM, those French news people must be sniffing glue or flour.
Just tune in to TV-5 sometimes and you'll find out that news in France is often a joke when they're talking about the US. Not to say that the brits are any better.
I think they're kind of like the writers of the paper "Minuit" in Montréal. It's a paper like the US paper "Midnight" and the writers of said paper decide around a table what the news will be. It's cheaper that way than wasting their time outside considering that people wouldn't know the diffence anyway.
Tabloids are funny sometimes until some morons think they're real news and report it on real newspaper or Radio and TV news.
He says better than EMACs, that damm piece of shit stayed less than half an hour on my PC. Unless you got a book next to you to know what to do you're locked into some useless junk with the only way to get out is a kill.
>Clearly, you've not used them. Borland's >IDEs blow anything on linux out of the water. The >only thing that's close is KDevelop, but >that has a long way to go before it's as good as >C++ Builder or Delphi.
KDevelop looks ok but the debugger sucks and there are no debugger that matches the quality of the Borland or IBM debuggers on Linux.
Laws are made to protect society against assholes of every kind. Some are made to protect assholes from the society but that's the problem with politicians who thanks those who pay for their election.
Most laws are legitimate and must exist to keep society from going down the toilet.
By stating that no laws are justified you are implying that killing your mom or your wife are within your rights.
This line of thinking will drive you to the death row.
Rhide has major problems, if you go a bit too fast during tracing you get core dumps. I've had the same results under Slackware, RedHat and SuSE.
gdb may be the guilty one but being integrated into rhide it's hard to be happy with either one of them.
I was degugging my code with it and got sick of it and went to OS/2 to do the debugging with a real debugger.
To make things worst, the support for fonts is almost as bad as on winblows. Winblows is OK until the screen turns green or I get a page fault. Under Linux I get garbage around the edges of the screen when I use a decent font. To see something acceptable only a few useless OEM fonts can be used, if I use those stupid fonts I can't see the accents in my French or Spanish texts.
When Borland comes aboard Linux it'll be a dream to debug code under Linux.
Somehow Borland got to me way back in the days of CPM/80 and the love affair has never died.
There was Turbo Pascal, then Turbo C then Turbo C++ and then Borland C++.
I wrote a microcontroller C Compiler in C++, a huge program. The code compiled perfectly under OS/2 and winblows with IBM Visual Age for C++ and Borland C++. (Dos with Borland only)
When I went to convert it to work under Linux GCC would generate core dumping code until I limited the number of virtual functions I had.
I also had to cut my modules in 3 or 4 pieces because GCC would barf, the code being too big. GCC under Dos generates a file that is about 3 times large than that generated by either Borland or IBM Visual for C++.
I would advise you to rethink your adoration of GCC. It may not be a bad compiler but it is not the best by a long shot, it is the only one under Linux that is readily available. It's optimization sucks big time.
Comeau C++ which is a good C++ Compiler but you still need to use GCC. I use GCC because I don't have a choice but whenever Borland C++ and/or IBM Visual Age for C++ are available for Linux I will not hesitate for one minute to buy either one of them.
The installation corrupted my partition table on a 14G IBM drive. The graphic fdisk refuses to install on a preformated ext2 partition and I made the mistake of letting it create a new partition at the same place. It turned out that it made a small mistake which trashed the partition table. I had to reinstall everything meaning winblows, OS/2, DRDOS and SuSE Linux. That of course after restoring the partition table. I uses the image version published on the net.
Any plan on fixing this? Is the bug present also on the release version, meaning the commercial one?
YouHou is an expression to call someone's attention. In English you would say "Wake up" or "Look here"
I fail to see the connection with Yahoo except from an ignorant who has no clue about other languages.
The folks at Yahoo will end up looking like complete idiots.
For those of you would would like to check some other French Canadian humor check my web site under the humor section. I made a French Canadian adaptation of the site of "The dumb sons of America" It's called "Les tatas d'Amérique" It got the attention of the Swiss Radio and TV a while back, perhaps because of the fact that it is in French and in the United States. Here is my Home page This is good old American humor with a bit of French Canadian humor. I do provide a link to the original site hosted by a friend of mine.
> and any idiot can install it. Actually it's more like an idiot install considering that it blows the other partitions and refuses to install on a preformated partition. It prefers to screw up the hard disk instead.
I noticed that you caught the typo. This was an old joke from the Cyniques, a stand up comic group from the 60s in Montréal. In French both terms sound quite close to certain ears.
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About the bisexual year, the problem lies in people's mind, those who don't understand that 00 is also an even number and adding 4 to 96 will give 00 and only a stupid programmer would have it's software crash in such a case.
I'm sure we'll see a lot of morons claiming there was no Y2K bug in the first place giving for proof that the non Y2K compliant wiring harness in their car didn't set the car on fire or that their non Y2K compliant VCR didn't blow up.
I didn't say that it was not funny, fundies are always funny.
My response was meant to be funny too. The post looked a bit outrageous to be for real but then again I've seen worst stuff coming from real fundies. Anyhow, outrageous post like that one, real or not didn't belong in a discussion about Linux.
Fundies are funny most of the time and for the most part are too moron to be any threat to our freedoms. No one in his or her right mind would ever elect them to powerful positions.
Mad had a neat admission form to the moral majority a few years ago, one of the requirements was to be against abortion for homosexuals.
The funniest one I've seen so far was from one of those fundies is a fundy at work who showed me maps of Michigan and a few other states with spots which are supposed to be reserves where the environmentalists are going to put us in after they take over the country. He's also one of those who think that paper money is an evil plot against our freedom.
A good laugh was the intent of my post. The Troll acting as a fundy deserved to be treated as such. Ever heard that thing about the one who cried wolf?
I won't comment directly on all the bullshit that you came up with, the following phrase says a lot about what kind of stupid fundy you are.
>... the beloved Reverend Jerry Falwell...
This jackass along with Pat Robertson is one of the most hated moron in this great country of ours. He makes christians look like stupid idiots. Fortunately he's not representive of the American people. I recall a survey a few years back when Foolwell claimed that his moral majority was responsible for the election of Ronald Reagan, he had about 4-6% support in the USA.
Your comments about Linux versus homosexuality are ridiculous. The proportion of homosexuals or heterosexuals isn't much different in the Linux world as it is in the Apple, Solaris or Winblows world. People's sexual tastes aren't based on what computer programs or OS they prefer. The same goes for pornography or any other stuff that you don't like.
>Ever wonder why cars don't seem to last so long >anymore like they did in way back when? It is for >this same reason. Car manufacturers don't want a >person to buy one car and not buy another for the >next 15 or 20 years. They want people buying cars >every 4 or 5 years, or sooner if possible. How do >they do this? They intentionally engineer the >cars to wear out just after the warranty. There >are scientists devoted to finding the exact right >materials with which to build car components so >they last JUST beyond that 5 year warranty.
This pure bulshit. Manufacturers will look for the cheapest material that will work for the time of the warranty. There is no plannned Obsolecense. If they were to use higher quality material the cars would be more expensive and people wouldn't buy them.
The car buyer is just as stupid as the computer user, he's looking for something that is pretty, run fast and is cheap.
The car manufacturer has to fullfil those wet dreams. They only succeed partially.
>If we follow your logic and agree to begin a >millenium with the year 0, and not the year 1 as >it is in use in the Christian Era calendar, then >we must also apply this to months and days. And >tomorrow, we will be the 0 Jan of the next > millenium!
Actually the months are like in a dozen 1/12, 2/12, etc... days are 1/30 (28, 29 0r 31), 2/30, etc...
The year is a reference in time, in this case to a mythical birth of the god of christians which apparently is wrong anyway.
The 20th century had a year 1900, we just missed the year 0 because people were too ignorant in those days. But then again they screwed up with the birth of their god (or messie). The millenium would have been passed 4 years ago.
My message to all the fanatic "2001" morons.
Get a life and wake up to the modern world, a world where some of us know how to count.
We've actually been in the new millenium for at least 4 years but no one is asking to change the calendar to please the purists. It would be too much of a pain in the ass and the year is just a reference in time anyway.
My advice is to get a life and stop looking at life in the eyes of an idiot.
Your stupid argument is much like that of the discussions about the sex of angels in the middle ages.
Apparently the morons who started to count the years since christ didn't know about the number zero and started to count at one. Following their way the years would be from 1-2000 to get 2000 complete years. On the other hand they also didn't know how to count as they screwed up by 4 or 5 years or even more. Considering that nowadays many of us know how to count we ignore this bullshit and count correctly and yes the new millenium starts tonight.
>Wow, this is pretty cool. I downloaded it, >installed it and pointed it at slashdot. Yes, >it's obviously beta with some things to fix (and >a somewhat odd UI) but it's fast. Starts up >within 1/2 second or so and seems to render pages >fast...
It did load very fast and crashed very fast too. Actually the program loaded fairly fast but not the web page. It freezes running a simple java script that displays a message on the bottom of the screen with no display of the web page whatsoever. It's problem has to do with frames which it can't load at all. My web page is fairly simple with two frames and very quick with either Netscape, exploder or Star Office.
Lucky it is so easy to do a kill under Linux.
One bug I noticed too is that it can't load my web page at all (bypassing frame of course) if I don't replace the www with users, same bug as WebExplorer on OS/2. What happens is that my ISP converts the www to users and then loads the page. I can't publish users as it may be changed someday.
my web address is entered as http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat but is conververted to http://users.netonecom.net/~bbcat
People using WebExplorer are told that the access is denied and people using this buggy browser get nowhere.
Slashdot Mirror
You didn't read it right. I setup for the highest
optimization possible with GCC and cut down
the code a lot. It was way over 3M to somewhere
around 3.8M, perhaps a bit higher. I cut it down
to about 2.8M after I found out how to strip the
debugging off.
The results are somewhat better under Linux.
There is the commercial CodeWright and the
shareware Zeus. Both good products.
Yes, all the debugging was stripped. With
debugging the file is close to 3.8M.
It looks like this one would link with winblows
and IBM's object files. This is what seems to
be implied in the short doc. They do have
a conversion program so you can use the
Microsoft SDK with Borland C++ compiler.
>With GCC you get a lot more optimizations and a
>lot more active development of the product.
What have you been sniffing?
I did some comparisions with my program compiled
with GCC and with Borland C++ 5.5
I had normal optimization with Borland and
highest optimization with GCC. I also compiled
with Visual Age for C++ with normal Optimization.
Size with GCC : 2.82M
Size with Borland : 1.18M
Size with IBM : 1.25M
The code with Borland is also slightly faster
than that of IBM and GCC code, GCC having
the slowest code and Borland the fastest.
My only complaint now that I figured out which
flags to use is that it doesn't support long long.
>With Borland 5.5 you only have Corel/Inprise
>developing it. Borland claims their 5.5 compiles
>code faster than GCC and their product does have
>precompiled headers.
All true. It is fast, it will be great to use
for Linux if it is just as good as the winblows
version. It'll be great when the C++ builder
and Delphi comes out as well.
It would be a better translation of the blue screen of death of Microsoft.
Apparently there are more than 33k known bugs.
As for the NSA being in Control of Microsoft and
IBM, those French news people must be sniffing
glue or flour.
Just tune in to TV-5 sometimes and you'll find
out that news in France is often a joke when
they're talking about the US. Not to say that
the brits are any better.
I think they're kind of like the writers of the
paper "Minuit" in Montréal. It's a paper like
the US paper "Midnight" and the writers of said
paper decide around a table what the news will be.
It's cheaper that way than wasting their time
outside considering that people wouldn't know the
diffence anyway.
Tabloids are funny sometimes until some morons
think they're real news and report it on real
newspaper or Radio and TV news.
>You think emacs is better than the Borland IDEs?
He says better than EMACs, that damm piece of shit
stayed less than half an hour on my PC. Unless
you got a book next to you to know what to do
you're locked into some useless junk with the
only way to get out is a kill.
>Clearly, you've not used them. Borland's
>IDEs blow anything on linux out of the water. The
>only thing that's close is KDevelop, but
>that has a long way to go before it's as good as
>C++ Builder or Delphi.
KDevelop looks ok but the debugger sucks and
there are no debugger that matches the quality of
the Borland or IBM debuggers on Linux.
Laws are made to protect society against assholes
of every kind. Some are made to protect assholes
from the society but that's the problem with
politicians who thanks those who pay for their
election.
Most laws are legitimate and must exist to keep
society from going down the toilet.
By stating that no laws are justified you are
implying that killing your mom or your wife
are within your rights.
This line of thinking will drive you to the
death row.
Rhide has major problems, if you go a bit too fast
during tracing you get core dumps. I've had the
same results under Slackware, RedHat and SuSE.
gdb may be the guilty one but being integrated
into rhide it's hard to be happy with either one
of them.
I was degugging my code with it and got sick
of it and went to OS/2 to do the debugging with
a real debugger.
To make things worst, the support for fonts is
almost as bad as on winblows. Winblows is OK
until the screen turns green or I get a page
fault. Under Linux I get garbage around the
edges of the screen when I use a decent font.
To see something acceptable only a few useless
OEM fonts can be used, if I use those stupid
fonts I can't see the accents in my French or
Spanish texts.
When Borland comes aboard Linux it'll be a dream
to debug code under Linux.
Somehow Borland got to me way back in the days
of CPM/80 and the love affair has never died.
There was Turbo Pascal, then Turbo C then
Turbo C++ and then Borland C++.
I wrote a microcontroller C Compiler in C++, a
huge program. The code compiled perfectly under
OS/2 and winblows with IBM Visual Age for C++
and Borland C++. (Dos with Borland only)
When I went to convert it to work under Linux GCC
would generate core dumping code until I limited
the number of virtual functions I had.
I also had to cut my modules in 3 or 4 pieces
because GCC would barf, the code being too big.
GCC under Dos generates a file that is about
3 times large than that generated by either
Borland or IBM Visual for C++.
I would advise you to rethink your adoration
of GCC. It may not be a bad compiler but it
is not the best by a long shot, it is the only
one under Linux that is readily available. It's
optimization sucks big time.
Comeau C++ which is a good C++ Compiler but you
still need to use GCC. I use GCC because I don't
have a choice but whenever Borland C++ and/or
IBM Visual Age for C++ are available for Linux
I will not hesitate for one minute to buy either
one of them.
The installation corrupted my partition table
on a 14G IBM drive. The graphic fdisk refuses
to install on a preformated ext2 partition and
I made the mistake of letting it create a new
partition at the same place. It turned out that
it made a small mistake which trashed the
partition table. I had to reinstall everything
meaning winblows, OS/2, DRDOS and SuSE Linux.
That of course after restoring the partition
table. I uses the image version published on the
net.
Any plan on fixing this? Is the bug present also
on the release version, meaning the commercial
one?
A very good hockey team. (grin)
YouHou is an expression to call someone's
attention. In English you would say "Wake up"
or "Look here"
I fail to see the connection with Yahoo except
from an ignorant who has no clue about other
languages.
The folks at Yahoo will end up looking like
complete idiots.
For those of you would would like to check
some other French Canadian humor check my
web site under the humor section. I made
a French Canadian adaptation of the
site of "The dumb sons of America"
It's called "Les tatas d'Amérique"
It got the attention of the Swiss Radio and TV
a while back, perhaps because of the fact that
it is in French and in the United States.
Here is my Home page
This is good old American humor with a bit
of French Canadian humor.
I do provide a link to the original site hosted
by a friend of mine.
> and any idiot can install it.
Actually it's more like an idiot install
considering that it blows the other partitions
and refuses to install on a preformated partition.
It prefers to screw up the hard disk instead.
I noticed that you caught the typo. This was
an old joke from the Cyniques, a stand up
comic group from the 60s in Montréal. In French
both terms sound quite close to certain ears.
About the bisexual year, the problem lies
in people's mind, those who don't understand
that 00 is also an even number and adding
4 to 96 will give 00 and only a stupid programmer
would have it's software crash in such a case.
I'm sure we'll see a lot of morons claiming
there was no Y2K bug in the first place giving
for proof that the non Y2K compliant wiring
harness in their car didn't set the car on fire
or that their non Y2K compliant VCR didn't blow
up.
I didn't say that it was not funny, fundies
are always funny.
My response was meant to be funny too. The post
looked a bit outrageous to be for real but then
again I've seen worst stuff coming from real
fundies. Anyhow, outrageous post like that one,
real or not didn't belong in a discussion about
Linux.
Fundies are funny most of the time and for the
most part are too moron to be any threat to
our freedoms. No one in his or her right mind
would ever elect them to powerful positions.
Mad had a neat admission form to the moral
majority a few years ago, one of the requirements
was to be against abortion for homosexuals.
The funniest one I've seen so far was from one
of those fundies is a fundy at work who showed
me maps of Michigan and a few other states with
spots which are supposed to be reserves where
the environmentalists are going to put us in
after they take over the country.
He's also one of those who think that paper money
is an evil plot against our freedom.
A good laugh was the intent of my post.
The Troll acting as a fundy deserved to be treated
as such. Ever heard that thing about the one
who cried wolf?
I won't comment directly on all the bullshit
... the beloved Reverend Jerry Falwell...
that you came up with, the following phrase
says a lot about what kind of stupid fundy
you are.
>
This jackass along with Pat Robertson is one of
the most hated moron in this great country of
ours. He makes christians look like stupid idiots.
Fortunately he's not representive of the American
people. I recall a survey a few years back when
Foolwell claimed that his moral majority was
responsible for the election of Ronald Reagan, he
had about 4-6% support in the USA.
Your comments about Linux versus homosexuality
are ridiculous. The proportion of homosexuals
or heterosexuals isn't much different in the
Linux world as it is in the Apple, Solaris or
Winblows world. People's sexual tastes aren't
based on what computer programs or OS they
prefer. The same goes for pornography or any
other stuff that you don't like.
My copy will work indefinetely. The upgrade licence expîres in 2001 meaning that I get
free upgrades until then.
The demo works for 20 minutes. That's their
choice. If you don't like it don't buy it.
>Ever wonder why cars don't seem to last so long
>anymore like they did in way back when? It is for
>this same reason. Car manufacturers don't want a
>person to buy one car and not buy another for the
>next 15 or 20 years. They want people buying cars
>every 4 or 5 years, or sooner if possible. How do
>they do this? They intentionally engineer the
>cars to wear out just after the warranty. There
>are scientists devoted to finding the exact right
>materials with which to build car components so
>they last JUST beyond that 5 year warranty.
This pure bulshit. Manufacturers will look for the
cheapest material that will work for the time of
the warranty. There is no plannned Obsolecense.
If they were to use higher quality material the
cars would be more expensive and people wouldn't
buy them.
The car buyer is just as stupid as the computer
user, he's looking for something that is pretty,
run fast and is cheap.
The car manufacturer has to fullfil those wet
dreams. They only succeed partially.
>If we follow your logic and agree to begin a
... ...
>millenium with the year 0, and not the year 1 as
>it is in use in the Christian Era calendar, then
>we must also apply this to months and days. And
>tomorrow, we will be the 0 Jan of the next
> millenium!
Actually the months are like in a dozen
1/12, 2/12, etc
days are
1/30 (28, 29 0r 31), 2/30, etc
The year is a reference in time, in this
case to a mythical birth of the god of
christians which apparently is wrong anyway.
The 20th century had a year 1900, we just missed
the year 0 because people were too ignorant
in those days. But then again they screwed up
with the birth of their god (or messie). The
millenium would have been passed 4 years ago.
My message to all the fanatic "2001" morons.
Get a life and wake up to the modern world, a
world where some of us know how to count.
We've actually been in the new millenium for
at least 4 years but no one is asking to
change the calendar to please the purists.
It would be too much of a pain in the ass and
the year is just a reference in time anyway.
My advice is to get a life and stop looking
at life in the eyes of an idiot.
Your stupid argument is much like that of
the discussions about the sex of angels
in the middle ages.
Apparently the morons who started to count the
years since christ didn't know about the number
zero and started to count at one.
Following their way the years would be from
1-2000 to get 2000 complete years.
On the other hand they also didn't know how to
count as they screwed up by 4 or 5 years or even
more.
Considering that nowadays many of us know how
to count we ignore this bullshit and count
correctly and yes the new millenium starts
tonight.
>Wow, this is pretty cool. I downloaded it, ...
>installed it and pointed it at slashdot. Yes,
>it's obviously beta with some things to fix (and
>a somewhat odd UI) but it's fast. Starts up
>within 1/2 second or so and seems to render pages
>fast
It did load very fast and crashed very fast too.
Actually the program loaded fairly fast but not
the web page. It freezes running a simple
java script that displays a message on the
bottom of the screen with no display of the
web page whatsoever. It's problem has to do
with frames which it can't load at all. My
web page is fairly simple with two frames
and very quick with either Netscape, exploder
or Star Office.
Lucky it is so easy to do a kill under Linux.
One bug I noticed too is that it can't load
my web page at all (bypassing frame of course)
if I don't replace the www with users, same
bug as WebExplorer on OS/2. What happens is
that my ISP converts the www to users and then
loads the page. I can't publish users as it may
be changed someday.
my web address is entered as
http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat
but is conververted to
http://users.netonecom.net/~bbcat
People using WebExplorer are told that the
access is denied and people using this buggy
browser get nowhere.