The problem is "God given" doesn't equate to "federal government given". There is no federal or state law specifically allowing you to own a cat, there are many laws stating what animals you CAN'T own, but that is very different in legal terms. There is an explicitly stated right to that publically owned resource though. The airwaves are a public resource, not a university of Texas holding. If they want access to that resource, they have to allow ALL others that same access.
In all honesty, in the grand scheme of things they can do this because of electricity. They provide the power to the dorms without directly charging the students, if they really want to get rid of the APs without breaking FCC rules, then from now on they should start explicitly stating what can be connected to THEIR power lines, and they will leave APs off that list.
That is a public safety issue though, this is not.
Basically, if there were a federal law that stated "any entity which uses shotguns MUST allow shotguns to interfere with them" THEN your analogy would be appropriate.
Here is the problem: UofT is using 802.11 APs for it's own local network, by using those APs they are explicitly required to allow any interference caused by other devices in that wavelength. They are now asking students to remove their APs because they are interfering with their own network. This is against the law. If UofT wanted complete control over a chunk of spectrum, they could have purchased a license from the FCC to do so, instead they saved a LOT of money by using UNLICENSED spectrum and are now effectively saying they control that spectrum they didn't license. It would be equivalent to them not allowing 2.4GHz processors because they interfere (regardless if that is or is NOT the intention of the device) with the network in some way. They can NOT do that.
If the wireless APs were connected to THEIR network, you have a very different reason to disconnect them...not because of interference, but signal theft. That would be an acceptable removal reason, but is not the reason they have stated.
No, they only CHECK for ID when you are stopped for disobeying a traffic law (or pass through a checkpoint, but that is not important to the point) but by LAW you are REQUIRED to carry the ID with you if you are driving.
So, basically, you can walk wherever you feel like...of course, some cop is likely to ASK for ID if you cross the whole country, but you can basically tell him to stick it up his ass...as long as you are only walking.
I knew that sometimes/. isn't exactly quick on the uptake, but these drivers first appears AUGUST FIFTH, very nearly a month ago. It really doesn't take much to get a front page posting anymore.
Hey, did you guys here about this crazy Utah company suing International Business Machines???
You mean all FUTURE plants were converted (at that time). There are many existing reactors in the US built before that time which do NOT use a cooling tower. Many plants have a cooling tower, but not all of their reactors use them.
In that same novel though, the main characters didn't immediately recognise that the "wolf-rats" were intelligent and they were on the SAME PLANET LOOKING RIGHT AT THEM. They were also extremely primitive until they were exposed to higher science from an outside source. Also a large amount of their real innovation was dependent on one individual who was a product of extreme practices (to say the least). While highly intelligent, they were technically stuck because of their extreme predation on each other.
Also, as an aside (not bashing you at all...) the "tubes" were actually in the 20-30 pound range, appeared to be a half dog half rat composite, and a typical "individual" had 3-5 components...only Jeffry had a large number (still only 7 if I can remember correctly).
None of the directions in which we are looking are 100%, but they are our best guesses. It is important to say "there are possibilities we haven't thought of" but it is more important to investigate the most likely based on our current knowledge. As we learn, we adapt the methods.
Also, while the fundamentals may have came about through trade, there are hundreds of other situations where the same number system would have arisen. It is hard to understand how one would do any sort of real science without a basic mathematical understanding. The simple fact that there are hundreds of major languages on the planet and only one real system of math (and I'm not counting tribes that don't know the difference between 1 and 4 and 8, they don't count in the grand scheme of things...we won't find them without GOING there or unimaginably powerful optical telescopes).
Now disregarding the whole visible at galactic distance, imagine landing on a planet where there were intelligent creatures who communicated by directed EM at extremely high power (not TW power like we were talking about, but MW pulse range). That would really suck until we figured it out...
I agree that some animals output EM radiation (technically ALL warm-blooded animals do), but can't conceive of an evolutionary pressure to produce EM radiation visible inside of a solar system, much less across the galaxy. If the entire Earth was coated in fireflies, millions to the acre it STILL wouldn't be visible across the galaxy. In all honesty, the Earth would still be lit more strongly by the sun on the lit up side (and if we could "see" a planet well enough to decide if we are looking at the solar face or not at that particular freeze frame, we could probably do a hell of a lot better than look for fireflies).
Name a major US city that doesn't have at least one broadband option in atleast 90% of its area? That isn't including options like DirectPC/Net which ANYONE can use from Mexico to fairly far in the north of Canada...I mean WIRED broadband.
I should have said "evolve" because the "blueprint" can definite "improve" with artificial selection and without "construction."
I don't remember anyone naturally evolving a cell phone. (yes I understand you are making a joke, I was just returning the favor =). I will say that a planet with creatures capable of naturally emitting EM signals strong enough to perpetuate across the galaxy would probably contain nothing but those creatures and soon die. I can't imagine the death rate on that planet...everywhere you go is an Arecibo pointed directly at you, actually it would probably by non-directional for mating purposes and so would require near-star levels of energy by each individual...
OK, maybe the specific wording of the analogy is flawed, but my real argument was that there is a discrete NUMBER of planets, to understand that you have to understand numbers and to understand numbers you have to have at least basic math.
Regardless of what they define as planets, there is still a certain number of them. I don't know HOW we could ever show it to be inevitable that aliens will choose to represent those abstracts concepts in a way we can understand, but if they don't then we won't be able to understand them and so won't be able to communicate with them. See your own circular reasoning. I believe that in all of the universe (hell, probably just in the galaxy) there would almost CERTAINLY be a species capable of representing their knowledge in a way we could never hope to understand...of course, we wouldn't be able to understand them and so SETI probably wouldn't be able to rule them out as a natural source of EM. If they WERE able to rule them out as a natural source of EM, I would think we would be able to communicate with them.
Well, I would say that to produce a transmitter powerful enough to reach other star systems (and hence be of immediate interest to us) the civilization would have to understand at least the basic math of constructing that antenna. Of course you could say that an organic tech could evolve that, but in all honesty a civ advanced enough to genetically alter it's planet-mates to make transmitters would almost certainly have to understand the basic math THAT entailed.
Color is an arbitrary thing, integer math is not arbitrary nor perceptual. Name me a method of perception that would change the number of continents on Earth or planets in our solar system. Even if they used reflected gamma radiation as a primary sense, there would still be the same number of rocks...
A higher culture will understand math, maybe not the same formulas we do etc, but to say they don't have math is like saying they don't have chemistry. They may not have discovered it, but it still works there. As far as that is concerned, if they don't understand fundamental mathematical concepts, they aren't intelligent on a galactic scale and we will never find them anyway. Cuttlefish may generate EM, but they don't on a galactic scale. There is no immediate evolutionary advantage of being able to do that...
But you are comparing incidentally transmitted signal (radio stations) to intentionally transmitted signal (probe). When you compare intentionally transmitted Earth-bound to space based transmitters the edge isn't as obvious. An example is Arecibo (OK, the strongest transmitter on Earth isn't exactly typical, but is really more currently feasible than interstellar transmitters...remember, it would take 20 or so years to GET a probe to the heliopause if there was no other purpose...and that isn't all that far away in the grand scheme of things.), which transmits right at 1 megawatt, but has a gain of 74 dB!!! That translates to 23.6E+12 watts (or 23 terawatt) effective power, you would have to be really close to a target system to be able to overpower that with a 5 watt transmitter.
http://www.oldradio.com/current/bc_am.htm for more info
I would say that on real FP (not SSE-3 or whatever), AMD has dominated the x86 line for quite some time. The Athlon easily had a stronger FPU than the P4. However, he isn't comparing it to an x86 processor, the Itanium definitely has more FPU power than any x86 processor...which it should, given it's intended market.
My PDA makes my life a hell of a lot easier, I still use a real notepad and address book though. My PDA is pretty much 100% devoted to reading novels, listening to music, and the occasional jot down of a couple numbers or something when I don't have paper.
Maybe we'll start using the electronic voting machines to make cool video games or dog tag printing kiosks, then they'll be useful...
It's only the higher number IDs that are girlfriendless nerds. The lower IDs all are either such complete loners they have now isolated themselves from society and don't post anymore or have profited nicely for being "in the know" from the beginning and so have women;)
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Well, they had a pretty good army during the second world war too...
The problem is "God given" doesn't equate to "federal government given". There is no federal or state law specifically allowing you to own a cat, there are many laws stating what animals you CAN'T own, but that is very different in legal terms. There is an explicitly stated right to that publically owned resource though. The airwaves are a public resource, not a university of Texas holding. If they want access to that resource, they have to allow ALL others that same access.
In all honesty, in the grand scheme of things they can do this because of electricity. They provide the power to the dorms without directly charging the students, if they really want to get rid of the APs without breaking FCC rules, then from now on they should start explicitly stating what can be connected to THEIR power lines, and they will leave APs off that list.
That is a public safety issue though, this is not.
Basically, if there were a federal law that stated "any entity which uses shotguns MUST allow shotguns to interfere with them" THEN your analogy would be appropriate.
Here is the problem: UofT is using 802.11 APs for it's own local network, by using those APs they are explicitly required to allow any interference caused by other devices in that wavelength. They are now asking students to remove their APs because they are interfering with their own network. This is against the law. If UofT wanted complete control over a chunk of spectrum, they could have purchased a license from the FCC to do so, instead they saved a LOT of money by using UNLICENSED spectrum and are now effectively saying they control that spectrum they didn't license. It would be equivalent to them not allowing 2.4GHz processors because they interfere (regardless if that is or is NOT the intention of the device) with the network in some way. They can NOT do that.
If the wireless APs were connected to THEIR network, you have a very different reason to disconnect them...not because of interference, but signal theft. That would be an acceptable removal reason, but is not the reason they have stated.
No, they only CHECK for ID when you are stopped for disobeying a traffic law (or pass through a checkpoint, but that is not important to the point) but by LAW you are REQUIRED to carry the ID with you if you are driving.
So, basically, you can walk wherever you feel like...of course, some cop is likely to ASK for ID if you cross the whole country, but you can basically tell him to stick it up his ass...as long as you are only walking.
Yea, I didn't even notice that...
I knew that sometimes /. isn't exactly quick on the uptake, but these drivers first appears AUGUST FIFTH, very nearly a month ago. It really doesn't take much to get a front page posting anymore.
Hey, did you guys here about this crazy Utah company suing International Business Machines???
You mean all FUTURE plants were converted (at that time). There are many existing reactors in the US built before that time which do NOT use a cooling tower. Many plants have a cooling tower, but not all of their reactors use them.
Even the safest mall is still vulnerable to terrorist attack...
Even the safest skyscraper is still vulnerable to terrorist attack...
Even the safest military installation is still vulnerable to a terrorist attack...
this is repeatable for every structure known to man, don't be afraid of what COULD happen, be afraid of what your actions could CAUSE to happen.
In that same novel though, the main characters didn't immediately recognise that the "wolf-rats" were intelligent and they were on the SAME PLANET LOOKING RIGHT AT THEM. They were also extremely primitive until they were exposed to higher science from an outside source. Also a large amount of their real innovation was dependent on one individual who was a product of extreme practices (to say the least). While highly intelligent, they were technically stuck because of their extreme predation on each other.
Also, as an aside (not bashing you at all...) the "tubes" were actually in the 20-30 pound range, appeared to be a half dog half rat composite, and a typical "individual" had 3-5 components...only Jeffry had a large number (still only 7 if I can remember correctly).
None of the directions in which we are looking are 100%, but they are our best guesses. It is important to say "there are possibilities we haven't thought of" but it is more important to investigate the most likely based on our current knowledge. As we learn, we adapt the methods.
Also, while the fundamentals may have came about through trade, there are hundreds of other situations where the same number system would have arisen. It is hard to understand how one would do any sort of real science without a basic mathematical understanding. The simple fact that there are hundreds of major languages on the planet and only one real system of math (and I'm not counting tribes that don't know the difference between 1 and 4 and 8, they don't count in the grand scheme of things...we won't find them without GOING there or unimaginably powerful optical telescopes).
Now disregarding the whole visible at galactic distance, imagine landing on a planet where there were intelligent creatures who communicated by directed EM at extremely high power (not TW power like we were talking about, but MW pulse range). That would really suck until we figured it out...
I agree that some animals output EM radiation (technically ALL warm-blooded animals do), but can't conceive of an evolutionary pressure to produce EM radiation visible inside of a solar system, much less across the galaxy. If the entire Earth was coated in fireflies, millions to the acre it STILL wouldn't be visible across the galaxy. In all honesty, the Earth would still be lit more strongly by the sun on the lit up side (and if we could "see" a planet well enough to decide if we are looking at the solar face or not at that particular freeze frame, we could probably do a hell of a lot better than look for fireflies).
Name a major US city that doesn't have at least one broadband option in atleast 90% of its area? That isn't including options like DirectPC/Net which ANYONE can use from Mexico to fairly far in the north of Canada...I mean WIRED broadband.
I should have said "evolve" because the "blueprint" can definite "improve" with artificial selection and without "construction."
I don't remember anyone naturally evolving a cell phone. (yes I understand you are making a joke, I was just returning the favor =). I will say that a planet with creatures capable of naturally emitting EM signals strong enough to perpetuate across the galaxy would probably contain nothing but those creatures and soon die. I can't imagine the death rate on that planet...everywhere you go is an Arecibo pointed directly at you, actually it would probably by non-directional for mating purposes and so would require near-star levels of energy by each individual...
Solar System: A star and the non-luminous objects associated with it, which may include brown dwarfs, planets, asteroids, and comets.
Source, NRAO (National Radio Astronomy Observatory Glossary) http://www.nrao.edu/imagegallery/glossary.shtml#s
OK, maybe the specific wording of the analogy is flawed, but my real argument was that there is a discrete NUMBER of planets, to understand that you have to understand numbers and to understand numbers you have to have at least basic math.
Regardless of what they define as planets, there is still a certain number of them. I don't know HOW we could ever show it to be inevitable that aliens will choose to represent those abstracts concepts in a way we can understand, but if they don't then we won't be able to understand them and so won't be able to communicate with them. See your own circular reasoning. I believe that in all of the universe (hell, probably just in the galaxy) there would almost CERTAINLY be a species capable of representing their knowledge in a way we could never hope to understand...of course, we wouldn't be able to understand them and so SETI probably wouldn't be able to rule them out as a natural source of EM. If they WERE able to rule them out as a natural source of EM, I would think we would be able to communicate with them.
Well, I would say that to produce a transmitter powerful enough to reach other star systems (and hence be of immediate interest to us) the civilization would have to understand at least the basic math of constructing that antenna. Of course you could say that an organic tech could evolve that, but in all honesty a civ advanced enough to genetically alter it's planet-mates to make transmitters would almost certainly have to understand the basic math THAT entailed.
Color is an arbitrary thing, integer math is not arbitrary nor perceptual. Name me a method of perception that would change the number of continents on Earth or planets in our solar system. Even if they used reflected gamma radiation as a primary sense, there would still be the same number of rocks...
A higher culture will understand math, maybe not the same formulas we do etc, but to say they don't have math is like saying they don't have chemistry. They may not have discovered it, but it still works there. As far as that is concerned, if they don't understand fundamental mathematical concepts, they aren't intelligent on a galactic scale and we will never find them anyway. Cuttlefish may generate EM, but they don't on a galactic scale. There is no immediate evolutionary advantage of being able to do that...
I think he's been watching too much bad SciFi and meant solar system...
But you are comparing incidentally transmitted signal (radio stations) to intentionally transmitted signal (probe). When you compare intentionally transmitted Earth-bound to space based transmitters the edge isn't as obvious. An example is Arecibo (OK, the strongest transmitter on Earth isn't exactly typical, but is really more currently feasible than interstellar transmitters...remember, it would take 20 or so years to GET a probe to the heliopause if there was no other purpose...and that isn't all that far away in the grand scheme of things.), which transmits right at 1 megawatt, but has a gain of 74 dB!!! That translates to 23.6E+12 watts (or 23 terawatt) effective power, you would have to be really close to a target system to be able to overpower that with a 5 watt transmitter.
http://www.oldradio.com/current/bc_am.htm for more info
I would say that on real FP (not SSE-3 or whatever), AMD has dominated the x86 line for quite some time. The Athlon easily had a stronger FPU than the P4. However, he isn't comparing it to an x86 processor, the Itanium definitely has more FPU power than any x86 processor...which it should, given it's intended market.
I think he meant the speed of the demo CPUs in GHz...but I may be wrong...
My PDA makes my life a hell of a lot easier, I still use a real notepad and address book though. My PDA is pretty much 100% devoted to reading novels, listening to music, and the occasional jot down of a couple numbers or something when I don't have paper.
Maybe we'll start using the electronic voting machines to make cool video games or dog tag printing kiosks, then they'll be useful...
It's only the higher number IDs that are girlfriendless nerds. The lower IDs all are either such complete loners they have now isolated themselves from society and don't post anymore or have profited nicely for being "in the know" from the beginning and so have women ;)
The "unspoken five-minute courtesy time" that I've always heard is that you have the courtesy to arrive five minutes EARLIER than the scheduled time.
Humans are more sensitive to yellow-green light than red light..
i ty College/PenetrantTest/Introduction/lightresponse.h tm
http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/Commun