Nice looking bike, but I wonder if they're going to offer something more cruiser-like. I'm certainly not opposed to a "greener" ride, but I'd look a damned fool on one of those.
more than taken the plunge, I have my 3d printer for almost a year now and have designed and printed over 50 parts, many used in my electric motorbike, build thread here:
http://www.elmoto.net/showthre...
i'm using the Felix 2.0
well, how about if the sounds are emitted from a small speaker on the person's chest or helmet and the echo captured by an array of small microphones on the same place. Then a microcomputer translates these echoes back into audible sounds in earphones. Im sure someone could learn to "see" these signals.
just a thought...
I mean, - the universe is about 13 billions years old if i'm not mistaken - we've been able to make enough "noise" to be detected by our closest potential "neighboors" for only a few hundred years at best. So that's a tiny tiny fraction of time compared to the age of the universe. A small little blip. - it is likely that in 1'000 years from now, or even make it 10'000 years, that if we pick up some noise coming from a distant star system we will be so advanced compared to whatever they might try to tell us that i would compare that to ants for us today: do you really care about the ants communication when you walk in the forest today ? no. - so my conclusion: the time elapsed between the moment we started to make outgoing noise and the moment we could not care less anymore about such incoming noise is so so so small compared to the age of the universe that the probability to "communicate" with anyone today is extremely low, almost zero. - we would have to be communicatign with a civilisation which is at par with us in terms of technology and intelligence level, and the time window for this to happen is so bloody small, even if this window is 10'000 years long.
maybe someone can try to help me explaining this better...
no, that's not what i said. i don't think anyone can say that NO natives were ever hostile to the coloners, imagine how many thousands they were. How could this possibly be. So i'm not sure why you are asking this question.
But I remember i was pretty excited in the days after the probe landed, checking the website everyday to see the news. I still check it once in a while.
But what was the major finding finally ?
I know they were not expectig to find life. But any indirect evidence of it would have been cool. They did find water ice, (and found it many times apparently;-)
I read the article, from their point of view it looks great. Would like to hear the downside of it too in a decent./ thread. But it looks interesting.
Only one thing bothers me about that post though: some years ago the new idea was about hydrogen and fuel cell. Then when this became a mainstream idea (Bush talking about hydrogen economy in his speech), people started to turn away from hydrogen and specialist started to talk about biodiesel from algues. Then when biodiesel from algues became a popular topic, specialist turned away and invoke ethanol from biomass. Then again ethanol from corn seed was not so cool anymore and we are talking instead of cellulosic ethanol. And now guess what, cellulosic ethanol is not the last great idea, now it's butanol.
No problem to find new ideas or improve on existing ones, the problem is the pace of new ideas is faster than the implementation. Aren't we loosing a little focus here ? Shoudln't we act more too or are we always waiting for the next better thing. It reminds me of a friend who did not want to buy a computer now because they were about to start selling one wih a faster processor. Well you can wait all your life then.
I think sometimes we can become aware of our bias, example:
Many years ago i believed in some kind of super natural power if ever i was thinking of someone and in the following 5 minutes that person calle me.
But some years later i realized that it happened many times as well that I thought of someone and that person did not call me, but of course these events did not catch my attention as much as the first one.
So it think sometimes we can become aware of our bias,
a flag and a golf ball ?
care to browse that list before posting ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artificial_objects_on_the_Moon
170 tons of it and the only artificial objects on the Moon that are still in use are the retroreflectors for the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment left there by Apollo astronauts
Actually it's not so much the heaviest equipment that bothers me, difficult to imagine they would have taken it back. But when a guy swings a club and throws a golf ball away, this is highly irrespectuous in my opinion.
But then who cares, if it is just a "hunk of rock".
i can see only one valuable reason to go back to the moon:
clean all the shit the first comers left behind (golf ball included).
Honnestly: is there one planet in the solar system that has not been spoiled by man made stuff yet ?
Pluto maybe, but not for long i guess.
Bought a Toyota Aygo about a year ago to go to work, i do 50mpg, and some hills on the way. But that's not all,this car costs about half of a Prius, it has 4 doors, smaller ok, but stil..and in my opinion it looks better than a prius.
you have to look at total cost of ownership too, not only mileage, i pay less insurance, tires are probably cheaper..
fully agree, thinking about what you will buy next makes many people happy, sometimes more than actually using the thing they buy. I've experienced it myself many times.
But then if this is not a sustainable way to live happy, nor using electrodes or medicine, what can make people happy and still continue to live an active life ?
Amazing that we did it in the 60's (and many times)and today we are debating how and when we should go back.
I'm just reading the book of Kranz (flight director of Apollo mission for the first man on the moon, and other missions as well). It's amazing how fast they were putting together a new mission at that time, and not just repeating the last mission but adding new complexity to it.
Today it takes months if not years to prepare the next shuttle flight, and it does the same as the last flight, nothing more complex.
How did they do it back in the 60's, it's amazing, considering the technology they had. And finally without so many casualties, with all due respect to the families of the crew which has burnt on the pad.
Thumbs up for these guys of the 60's, I guess the race against the russians was the driver. What's the driver today to go back to the moon ?
I'm afraid they are showing what the lambda viewer wants/likes to watch. The more people they get to watch, the more money they can make with their advertising. That's the downside of it.
I read all 4up posts and i have not seen this point mentionned:
Where I live (Switzerland) we have a double rate for the electricity. We pay less (about 50%) after 8pm and until 7am. I suppose other countries have this too. So I produce all my hot water during that period and store it in a thank.
If you produce your hot water on demand, you will not get the benefit of this lower rate, unless of course you take showers and do the dishes only during that time, which is not very practical, especially if you have kids.
That's big savings. And oh, yes there are some losses from the tank, althoug it's well insulated, but then these losses "leak" into the room where the heater is and I suppose I need less energy to keep that room warm. So altogether this new microwave system "on demand" would end up to be more expensive for me.
Not all decaf process use chemicals. Some only use water to remove the caffeine, yes, just water.
If you read the article carefully you will see that they don't link the cholesterol change to the decaf process but they say on average manufacturers use different type of green coffee (robusta) to produce decaf and it's this green coffee that brings in more fat components, nothing to do with the decaf process.
You could use arabica to produce decaf as well and you could not conclude anythinh then. The title of the article is misleading, once more.
ANd don't forget that anti-oxidant are present in coffee, more than tea, and these are good for the health.
common, you're talking like Nature is following some kind of goal or has some kind of conscious process. Nature does not know anything, it does not decide.
Please stop talking like that, let's just try to understand how the whole system works instead of insinuating there is a hidden force or will behind.
"Creating an object that can travel out of the Solar System is HUGE"
What is so HUGE about it ? I'm pretty sure you can do the same easily from the shuttle or the ISS. Just walk outside and throw some object in the right direction. with some little math you should be able to send it in the right direction, then it's just a matter of time (years) before the object exists our solar system. What's the point ?
Some guys get exited just by throwing things far away or blowing things up. I don't see the big deal ?
"Creating an object that can travel out of the Solar System is HUGE"
??? Is this really the first man made object to travel outside the solar system ? I bet that from all the space junk (broken parts of rockets,...)that we've got out there some of it has escaped outside our solar system by now. But even if it is the first one, i'd rather be ashamed that our man made pollution has reached that far already, after polluting the moon, mars and beyound.
These pictures were taken more than 30 years ago and look at the quality compared to the latest Titan pictures. Those who said the bandwidth was not enough to transmit the pictures if they had been larger in size, well, I'm sorry, but with a simple.jpg compression and eventually taking a little less than 700 pictures we would have had better quality from Titan. What we got is plain lousy.
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Nice looking bike, but I wonder if they're going to offer something more cruiser-like. I'm certainly not opposed to a "greener" ride, but I'd look a damned fool on one of those.
Something like this maybe ? : http://www.zapmotorbikes.com/ I built it myself, electric, no joke.
Something like this : Zapmotorbikes.com I built it myself, no joke. Electric.
more than taken the plunge, I have my 3d printer for almost a year now and have designed and printed over 50 parts, many used in my electric motorbike, build thread here: http://www.elmoto.net/showthre... i'm using the Felix 2.0
well, how about if the sounds are emitted from a small speaker on the person's chest or helmet and the echo captured by an array of small microphones on the same place. Then a microcomputer translates these echoes back into audible sounds in earphones. Im sure someone could learn to "see" these signals. just a thought...
I mean,
- the universe is about 13 billions years old if i'm not mistaken
- we've been able to make enough "noise" to be detected by our closest potential "neighboors" for only a few hundred years at best. So that's a tiny tiny fraction of time compared to the age of the universe. A small little blip.
- it is likely that in 1'000 years from now, or even make it 10'000 years, that if we pick up some noise coming from a distant star system we will be so advanced compared to whatever they might try to tell us that i would compare that to ants for us today: do you really care about the ants communication when you walk in the forest today ? no.
- so my conclusion: the time elapsed between the moment we started to make outgoing noise and the moment we could not care less anymore about such incoming noise is so so so small compared to the age of the universe that the probability to "communicate" with anyone today is extremely low, almost zero.
- we would have to be communicatign with a civilisation which is at par with us in terms of technology and intelligence level, and the time window for this to happen is so bloody small, even if this window is 10'000 years long.
maybe someone can try to help me explaining this better...
no, that's not what i said.
i don't think anyone can say that NO natives were ever hostile to the coloners,
imagine how many thousands they were. How could this possibly be.
So i'm not sure why you are asking this question.
>Pluses for no hostile natives, though
Hostile natives ?
How much of this period of our history have you read about ? Do you just have the "indian shooting arrows at white men" picture in your mind ?
Any idea of how many "hostile natives" got killed by europeans directly in wars our indirectly through contagious diseases brought over from Europe ?
I know you did not intend to hurt anyone with this little phrase, but you do contribute to the cliches people hold about this period of our history.
Maybe it's not the right place to post this:
But I remember i was pretty excited in the days after the probe landed, checking the website everyday to see the news. I still check it once in a while.
But what was the major finding finally ?
I know they were not expectig to find life. But any indirect evidence of it would have been cool. They did find water ice, (and found it many times apparently ;-)
just a bit disappointed I guess
I read the article, from their point of view it looks great. Would like to hear the downside of it too in a decent ./ thread. But it looks interesting.
Only one thing bothers me about that post though: some years ago the new idea was about hydrogen and fuel cell. Then when this became a mainstream idea (Bush talking about hydrogen economy in his speech), people started to turn away from hydrogen and specialist started to talk about biodiesel from algues. Then when biodiesel from algues became a popular topic, specialist turned away and invoke ethanol from biomass. Then again ethanol from corn seed was not so cool anymore and we are talking instead of cellulosic ethanol. And now guess what, cellulosic ethanol is not the last great idea, now it's butanol.
No problem to find new ideas or improve on existing ones, the problem is the pace of new ideas is faster than the implementation. Aren't we loosing a little focus here ? Shoudln't we act more too or are we always waiting for the next better thing. It reminds me of a friend who did not want to buy a computer now because they were about to start selling one wih a faster processor. Well you can wait all your life then.
just a thought,
I think sometimes we can become aware of our bias, example:
Many years ago i believed in some kind of super natural power if ever i was thinking of someone and in the following 5 minutes that person calle me.
But some years later i realized that it happened many times as well that I thought of someone and that person did not call me, but of course these events did not catch my attention as much as the first one.
So it think sometimes we can become aware of our bias,
my 2 cents
a flag and a golf ball ? care to browse that list before posting ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artificial_objects_on_the_Moon 170 tons of it and the only artificial objects on the Moon that are still in use are the retroreflectors for the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment left there by Apollo astronauts Actually it's not so much the heaviest equipment that bothers me, difficult to imagine they would have taken it back. But when a guy swings a club and throws a golf ball away, this is highly irrespectuous in my opinion. But then who cares, if it is just a "hunk of rock".
i can see only one valuable reason to go back to the moon: clean all the shit the first comers left behind (golf ball included). Honnestly: is there one planet in the solar system that has not been spoiled by man made stuff yet ? Pluto maybe, but not for long i guess.
Bought a Toyota Aygo about a year ago to go to work, i do 50mpg, and some hills on the way. But that's not all,this car costs about half of a Prius, it has 4 doors, smaller ok, but stil..and in my opinion it looks better than a prius.
you have to look at total cost of ownership too, not only mileage, i pay less insurance, tires are probably cheaper..
anyway,
fully agree, thinking about what you will buy next makes many people happy, sometimes more than actually using the thing they buy. I've experienced it myself many times.
But then if this is not a sustainable way to live happy, nor using electrodes or medicine, what can make people happy and still continue to live an active life ?
there is a lot of noise about this topic, but is it all that important.
These objects have been there millions of years before us and will likely still be there after we've blown ourself up.
And now suddenly it's like the human race would have the right of life or death over these objects by "granting" them the title of planet or not.
Whatever the human race will call them, it won't change their nature ! Why do we always have to classify things to such an extreme.
Funny enough ! If these objects could talk !
well then the ISS is not in space: at 350km or so you still have around 85% of gravity on earth. Nothing close to micro-gravity.
Amazing that we did it in the 60's (and many times)and today we are debating how and when we should go back.
I'm just reading the book of Kranz (flight director of Apollo mission for the first man on the moon, and other missions as well). It's amazing how fast they were putting together a new mission at that time, and not just repeating the last mission but adding new complexity to it.
Today it takes months if not years to prepare the next shuttle flight, and it does the same as the last flight, nothing more complex.
How did they do it back in the 60's, it's amazing, considering the technology they had. And finally without so many casualties, with all due respect to the families of the crew which has burnt on the pad.
Thumbs up for these guys of the 60's, I guess the race against the russians was the driver. What's the driver today to go back to the moon ?
I'm afraid they are showing what the lambda viewer wants/likes to watch. The more people they get to watch, the more money they can make with their advertising. That's the downside of it.
I read all 4up posts and i have not seen this point mentionned:
Where I live (Switzerland) we have a double rate for the electricity. We pay less (about 50%) after 8pm and until 7am. I suppose other countries have this too. So I produce all my hot water during that period and store it in a thank.
If you produce your hot water on demand, you will not get the benefit of this lower rate, unless of course you take showers and do the dishes only during that time, which is not very practical, especially if you have kids.
That's big savings. And oh, yes there are some losses from the tank, althoug it's well insulated, but then these losses "leak" into the room where the heater is and I suppose I need less energy to keep that room warm. So altogether this new microwave system "on demand" would end up to be more expensive for me.
my 2 cents
Attention !
Not all decaf process use chemicals. Some only use water to remove the caffeine, yes, just water.
If you read the article carefully you will see that they don't link the cholesterol change to the decaf process but they say on average manufacturers use different type of green coffee (robusta) to produce decaf and it's this green coffee that brings in more fat components, nothing to do with the decaf process.
You could use arabica to produce decaf as well and you could not conclude anythinh then. The title of the article is misleading, once more.
ANd don't forget that anti-oxidant are present in coffee, more than tea, and these are good for the health.
It's not all that simple I'm afraid.
my two cents,
So what's the big deal ? They're only 350km above our head, it's not that far. people on earth can talk greater distance through all sort of means...
can't justify the money spent based on acomplishments like these sir,
sorry
"or nature wouldn't do it that way"
common, you're talking like Nature is following some kind of goal or has some kind of conscious process. Nature does not know anything, it does not decide.
Please stop talking like that, let's just try to understand how the whole system works instead of insinuating there is a hidden force or will behind.
c'mon.
"Creating an object that can travel out of the Solar System is HUGE" What is so HUGE about it ? I'm pretty sure you can do the same easily from the shuttle or the ISS. Just walk outside and throw some object in the right direction. with some little math you should be able to send it in the right direction, then it's just a matter of time (years) before the object exists our solar system. What's the point ? Some guys get exited just by throwing things far away or blowing things up. I don't see the big deal ?
"Creating an object that can travel out of the Solar System is HUGE"
??? Is this really the first man made object to travel outside the solar system ? I bet that from all the space junk (broken parts of rockets,...)that we've got out there some of it has escaped outside our solar system by now. But even if it is the first one, i'd rather be ashamed that our man made pollution has reached that far already, after polluting the moon, mars and beyound.
It's sad....
These pictures were taken more than 30 years ago and look at the quality compared to the latest Titan pictures. Those who said the bandwidth was not enough to transmit the pictures if they had been larger in size, well, I'm sorry, but with a simple .jpg compression and eventually taking a little less than 700 pictures we would have had better quality from Titan. What we got is plain lousy.