Thanks for that -- I learned something new because of you today!
Human stupidity and naivity may be the cause of the flaws in the software, but those are still flaws in the software. And, because they are flaws, I should not have to pay the company to fix the flaws. Fixing a flaw does not add to the product, it makes it work closer to what I originally paid for. If M$ wants to minimize the amount of money it costs them to fix their flaws, they should try being less stupid and naive. Stupidity and naivity should cost the company money -- isn't that fair?
Right, exactly. We paid them for the OS, so it isn't even them fixing it for free. This is a new level of involuntary rectal dialation from Microsoft. Of course, I felt that way about having to buy Apple's.Mac for their anti-virus solution too. I guess it didn't bother me so much because there weren't (and, as far as I know, still aren't) any viruses for Mac OS X. Yet. I should be pissed about that too, to be consistent.
No, no, no! It should be part of the OS. If I buy an OS and it is vulnerable to viruses, it is a flaw in the OS's design. Why do I have to pay extra to make my machine usable?
I walked off a job once too. They sent me a paycheck as well. There are legal restrictions on them holding your pay, no matter how much they might want to.
Oh-ho! Thank you for the heads-up on that. I've been surfing the Apple Discussion boards and I get all kinds of warm-fuzzies about how awesome Tiger is (don't sue me). Of course, the text is a little biased... you know, a tad.
I will hold-off on Tiger for as long as I can get away with it. I was estimating what version it would probably take for me to jump before I felt confident enough to do so when I said 10.4.3. 10.3.8 wasn't so hot and 10.3.9 fixed a lot of it, so maybe I should just stay one full beast behind.:-)
Aha, I thought there were going to be problems with Tiger. I'm one of those people who is thinking, "Well, okay; we're up to 10.3.9, which is Panther with everything super-solid and shaken out. I like my computer working. I'll wait on Tiger until at least 10.4.3."
Same thing happened with my Plymouth Neon. Sputter, pop, smoke, stop. Wait. Start, nothing, never happened again. So, I went and bought a Toyota so I no longer need deal with such foolishness.
A bigger obstacle will be keeping it from getting suicidal or addicted to something, if we went that route.
Indeed. The more intelligent the robot gets, I would bet the more likely it would become suicidal or want to lose itself in drugs, since it would soon learn how pathetically stupid its makers are and become very, very depressed. Here they are, brains the size of a planet...
But, nowhere do they sell an OS under the name Tiger. Or, any software. The domain is clearly different. And, it won't even need a good lawyer to demonstrate how a consumer could not possible confuse Tiger OS with the Tiger line of machines. It is an open-and-shut case, but not in favor of Tiger Direct!
I think Apple should counter-sue for extortion so aggressively that Tiger direct's owner finds himself penniless. Make him weep for decades at what a piece of filth he is. This is a clear abuse of the system and I think Apple should show no mercy.
It's one thing to sue about someone leaking trade-secrets or blatantly stealing design ideas, it is another to sue like this the day before a release to extort money. Hey, I don't have to get too shrill here; everybody sees where this is leading, the death of commerce in the US, and not a slow one.
You have to accept that Apple had no case whatsoever in the past for its lawsuits to feel that way, mrserv, and I don't think that is reasonable at all. Also, note that Apple has sued people, like that person who distributed Tiger, but backed-off and reacted with admirable restraint when it came to punishment. They are clearly showing that they are trying to protect their IP without being spiteful. Tiger Direct (spit) is being clearly unethical, and I don't think I even need to put an "IMHO" at the end of that one.
Such companies as Tiger Direct must not survive for us to be able to look at ourselves in the morning without vomiting. Do I sound extreme? Really? When are we going to act and take back reason in the US? Are my words too harsh? Evil wins easily when good people are too afraid to fight back.
Indeed! And companies like M$ seem to build this base of zealots who latch on to every bad idea they come up with to add more poor code to their products and preach it like gospel. It is really obvious why software seems to run slower as the chips run faster: bad software methodologies that somehow miss the major points: 1. the more code you write, the more likeliness for errors and the slower it will run, and 2. write code to be readable so your job, and the jobs of the people you work with, doesn't suck.
I've noticed they've stopped teaching assembly language. Perhaps measuring clock-cycles might do some of these guys some good. Of course, there is always the counter-argument, "Oh, you're not writing object-oriented code then." Bullsh*t, OO is about encapsulation, inheritance, and polymorphism. A well written OO program is less code that is easier to follow than a well written procedural program. But, it seems a lot of people have to go to extremes instead of looking for that perfect balance, thinking somehow you have a baby, bathwater, but never the two may mix!
You know (I'm in a crazy mood today, it seems), what is up with people's sense of logic today? It's like society has them so screwed-up they can't see any simple correlations any more. I'm getting tired of suffering fools who think that writing these big programs to automatically populate object information that include 20 or so extra libraries, each in their own containing a plethera of bad, crap code that depends on other bad, crap code is a good idea. And what is with jury-rigging everything into XML these days. Configuration files shouldn't be XML, damnit, it's too much overhead. What happened to the KISS principle? Were the configuration files of the past where you had lines of something equal to something else in sections that a dog could read, understand, and provide meaningful error messages instead of lazy messages that says, "Go look at the DTD," bad?
Sorry, the frustration is showing. Go ahead and mod me rant.
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You're right -- you've said it much better.
Thanks for that -- I learned something new because of you today!
Human stupidity and naivity may be the cause of the flaws in the software, but those are still flaws in the software. And, because they are flaws, I should not have to pay the company to fix the flaws. Fixing a flaw does not add to the product, it makes it work closer to what I originally paid for. If M$ wants to minimize the amount of money it costs them to fix their flaws, they should try being less stupid and naive. Stupidity and naivity should cost the company money -- isn't that fair?
Right, exactly. We paid them for the OS, so it isn't even them fixing it for free. This is a new level of involuntary rectal dialation from Microsoft. Of course, I felt that way about having to buy Apple's .Mac for their anti-virus solution too. I guess it didn't bother me so much because there weren't (and, as far as I know, still aren't) any viruses for Mac OS X. Yet. I should be pissed about that too, to be consistent.
Please define TCPA -- I'm not familiar with that term.
No, no, no! It should be part of the OS. If I buy an OS and it is vulnerable to viruses, it is a flaw in the OS's design. Why do I have to pay extra to make my machine usable?
Oh, I see; you wrapped up the other person's work for them. My bad!
Why should I help you? I should do more of what I am supposed to be doing, not doing your job.
Yeah, but is your solution crap? (ducks)
I walked off a job once too. They sent me a paycheck as well. There are legal restrictions on them holding your pay, no matter how much they might want to.
Oh-ho! Thank you for the heads-up on that. I've been surfing the Apple Discussion boards and I get all kinds of warm-fuzzies about how awesome Tiger is (don't sue me). Of course, the text is a little biased... you know, a tad.
:-)
I will hold-off on Tiger for as long as I can get away with it. I was estimating what version it would probably take for me to jump before I felt confident enough to do so when I said 10.4.3. 10.3.8 wasn't so hot and 10.3.9 fixed a lot of it, so maybe I should just stay one full beast behind.
Aha, I thought there were going to be problems with Tiger. I'm one of those people who is thinking, "Well, okay; we're up to 10.3.9, which is Panther with everything super-solid and shaken out. I like my computer working. I'll wait on Tiger until at least 10.4.3."
'Cuz I really hate them beachballs too.
I'll just wait the day before you release any product that uses the word "Tiger" in the title and sue you then.
Hmmm... point well taken! :-)
Same thing happened with my Plymouth Neon. Sputter, pop, smoke, stop. Wait. Start, nothing, never happened again. So, I went and bought a Toyota so I no longer need deal with such foolishness.
I'd be more scared if they started Microsoft Medical®
A bigger obstacle will be keeping it from getting suicidal or addicted to something, if we went that route.
Indeed. The more intelligent the robot gets, I would bet the more likely it would become suicidal or want to lose itself in drugs, since it would soon learn how pathetically stupid its makers are and become very, very depressed. Here they are, brains the size of a planet...
Hey, us unattractive people ought to have a chance to procreate too! Let's be fair.
Indeed! Strangely, I have been accustomed to /.'ers over time, which is something I never would have thought possible :-)
But, nowhere do they sell an OS under the name Tiger. Or, any software. The domain is clearly different. And, it won't even need a good lawyer to demonstrate how a consumer could not possible confuse Tiger OS with the Tiger line of machines. It is an open-and-shut case, but not in favor of Tiger Direct!
I think Apple should counter-sue for extortion so aggressively that Tiger direct's owner finds himself penniless. Make him weep for decades at what a piece of filth he is. This is a clear abuse of the system and I think Apple should show no mercy.
It's one thing to sue about someone leaking trade-secrets or blatantly stealing design ideas, it is another to sue like this the day before a release to extort money. Hey, I don't have to get too shrill here; everybody sees where this is leading, the death of commerce in the US, and not a slow one.
You have to accept that Apple had no case whatsoever in the past for its lawsuits to feel that way, mrserv, and I don't think that is reasonable at all. Also, note that Apple has sued people, like that person who distributed Tiger, but backed-off and reacted with admirable restraint when it came to punishment. They are clearly showing that they are trying to protect their IP without being spiteful. Tiger Direct (spit) is being clearly unethical, and I don't think I even need to put an "IMHO" at the end of that one.
Such companies as Tiger Direct must not survive for us to be able to look at ourselves in the morning without vomiting. Do I sound extreme? Really? When are we going to act and take back reason in the US? Are my words too harsh? Evil wins easily when good people are too afraid to fight back.
In a related story, drunken, suicidal sailors have recently discovered the Earth is, in fact, round. I guess old news is better than no news.
Indeed! And companies like M$ seem to build this base of zealots who latch on to every bad idea they come up with to add more poor code to their products and preach it like gospel. It is really obvious why software seems to run slower as the chips run faster: bad software methodologies that somehow miss the major points: 1. the more code you write, the more likeliness for errors and the slower it will run, and 2. write code to be readable so your job, and the jobs of the people you work with, doesn't suck.
I've noticed they've stopped teaching assembly language. Perhaps measuring clock-cycles might do some of these guys some good. Of course, there is always the counter-argument, "Oh, you're not writing object-oriented code then." Bullsh*t, OO is about encapsulation, inheritance, and polymorphism. A well written OO program is less code that is easier to follow than a well written procedural program. But, it seems a lot of people have to go to extremes instead of looking for that perfect balance, thinking somehow you have a baby, bathwater, but never the two may mix!
You know (I'm in a crazy mood today, it seems), what is up with people's sense of logic today? It's like society has them so screwed-up they can't see any simple correlations any more. I'm getting tired of suffering fools who think that writing these big programs to automatically populate object information that include 20 or so extra libraries, each in their own containing a plethera of bad, crap code that depends on other bad, crap code is a good idea. And what is with jury-rigging everything into XML these days. Configuration files shouldn't be XML, damnit, it's too much overhead. What happened to the KISS principle? Were the configuration files of the past where you had lines of something equal to something else in sections that a dog could read, understand, and provide meaningful error messages instead of lazy messages that says, "Go look at the DTD," bad?
Sorry, the frustration is showing. Go ahead and mod me rant.
You forgot a link to a place where somebody can do that. I'll take care of that one for ya.
Okay, the company with a baffling amount of security holes is giving advice on computer security. That is about as absurd as, say, the company with worst software quality giving us advice on how to develop quality software.
To quote Ted Kennedy, "Hello? Hello?!!"
Some days, life is just a little too weird to take.
Yesss! You're hired.